Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 16 Sep 2010 17:13

China delivers ship to Pak Navy (F22P Frigate)

ISLAMABAD—PNS SAIF, the third ship of the Sword Class series constructed for Pakistan Navy by Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard of Shanghai was delivered to Pakistan Navy on Wednesday in a colourful and impressive ceremony. During the Commissioning ceremony, Pakistani flag was hoisted on the ship with band playing Pakistani National Anthem. The chief guest on the occasion was Admiral Noman Bashir NI(M), Chief of the Naval Staff.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 16 Sep 2010 17:16

Dilbu wrote:China delivers ship to Pak Navy (F22P Frigate)
ISLAMABAD—PNS SAIF, the third ship of the Sword Class series constructed for Pakistan Navy by Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard of Shanghai was delivered to Pakistan Navy on Wednesday in a colourful and impressive ceremony. During the Commissioning ceremony, Pakistani flag was hoisted on the ship with band playing Pakistani National Anthem. The chief guest on the occasion was Admiral Noman Bashir NI(M), Chief of the Naval Staff.

Where's the money to buy this spanking new battleship coming from and why isn't it being used to feed and clothe the flood stricken?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Sep 2010 17:27

anupmisra wrote:Where's the money to buy this spanking new battleship coming from and why isn't it being used to feed and clothe the flood stricken?

Oh, it was grandfathered before the floods just like the two spanking new reactors on their way through KKH.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 16 Sep 2010 17:32

anupmisra wrote:
Where's the money to buy this spanking new battleship coming from and why isn't it being used to feed and clothe the flood stricken?

Sir Ji,

Please don't question the dire need of the PN to have his great ship. This is needed to fight the Taliban Navy, by the glorious Pakistani navy.

So you are requested not to question the Need of PN. (Toung firmly planted in my cheek)
JMT

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 16 Sep 2010 17:47

anupmisra wrote: a) Where's the money to buy this spanking new battleship coming from and b) why isn't it being used to feed and clothe the flood stricken?

Ans:
a) GOAT/GUBO Fees/ Tarrel than mountain fliendship
b) Pakis will eat grass but will do everything to fight this water terrorism by India. Martial TFTA and all that.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Sep 2010 18:01

sum wrote:The granddaddy of WKKs speaketh:
An Indo-Pak axis?

In which world do these WKKs live?

Interesting to see the approaches of India & TSP. Currently, even though TSP is in a "bit of bother" (to use cricket commentator Sivaramakrishnan's phrase

) due to floods, it still manages to talk to India brutally, frankly, and with a no nonsense attitude through its proxies: stone-pelters and their leadership. Every demand that the stone-pelting leadership in the Kashmir valley makes are the ventriloquist voices coming straight from GHQ in Rawalpindi. Ditto TSP's demands of India's role in Afghanistan.

In contrast, all we see from India is either total lack of spine, or cowering in their dhothis like this WKK or, profuse offers of aid despite TSP telling India to f$%^ck off, or even B. Raman who seems scared of the stone pelters. And to top it all, MMS's customary "hope" that the TSP thugs will pay heed to his begging them to accept India's red carpet welcome for "piss" talks to continue.

What India hopes to achieve is beyond me. Its obvious as daylight that a wounded TSP is furious at its H&D deficit further exacerbated by floods, and if anything its demands visa vi India are more odious & obnoxious than ever. Even under more "normal" circumstances, there is nothing TSP will agree to, short of a set of steps that will undermine Indian sovereignty in the Kashmir valley (the wily terrorist Mush almost got that from MMS through his “joint administrative mechanisms” con job). As everybody expects, the stone-pelting furry will morph into something more brutal as Obama boards air force one en route to "South Asia".

The least India can do in the run up to this circus is to make India's position on J&K crystal clear, no ifs & buts, none of the "borders are irrelevant" crap, just so there are no false expectations; and like UN resolutions, India doesn’t score another self goal which will be used as an albatross around its neck post Obama’s “South Asia” sojourn.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Sep 2010 18:35

The worsening IDP crisis - Intnl Crisis group

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 16 Sep 2010 18:45

Holbrooke - Pakistan must help itself...no jizya thru taqiya.....

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... oods-qs-05

Pakistan's tax to GDP ratio is about 10 per cent, one of the lowest in the world, and while the government has called for greater revenue collection, it has done little to broaden a very narrow tax base.

This is patently false. Pakbarians spend lot of money on their favorite terrorist tanzeems by paying chanda. As per book, this is even better than paying tax. In any case, if they pay tax, TSP would have to spend anyway on terrorism. If you count that their tax-GDP ratio is quite healthy...thankyou..

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 16 Sep 2010 19:02

US envoy warns Pakistan of flood funding shortfall

KARACHI, Pakistan — The world will only be able to fund around 25 percent of the tens of billions of dollars needed to rebuild Pakistan after the floods, and its government will have to make up the shortfall, the U.S. envoy to the country warned Thursday.
Richard Holbrooke said America would not condition its assistance to the country, but warned that the U.S. Congress might not be generous if it felt that Pakistan was not taxing its own citizens enough.
Pakistan's rich have traditionally not paid much tax on their income or their property — either because they evade them or are exempt — and the country's collection rates are among the lowest in the world. Critics have pointed to this shortage of revenue in recent weeks as Islamabad leaders has sought international aid. The country's economy is surviving on international assistance, and the floods are expected to badly slow economic growth further.

Nobody has an accurate estimate of the reconstruction costs because we still don't know what the damage has been, but it's going to be in the tens of billions of dollars," Holbrooke said.
"The international community will never be able to put together that level of support because of all the other needs of the world in these areas, so your government is going to have do something about revenue because there is a clear shortfall," he said.

The scale of the floods has raised fears for Pakistan's stability, a major concern for Western powers as they seek to stabilize neighboring Afghanistan and neutralize the threat from al-Qaida and other Islamist militants hiding in Pakistan's northwest.
There has so far been few signs of sustained social unrest or political upheaval as a result of the disaster. {So I bet the next move from Bakis will be to create some social unrest drama to extract more money}

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 16 Sep 2010 19:21

^^^ all empires are ultimately about taxation!

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 16 Sep 2010 19:29

Even before the floods receeded there are fights over water

13 killed in clashes over irrigation water in Pakistan's tribal belt

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 16 Sep 2010 22:57

EU Cuts Tariffs to Aid Pakistan (Wall Street Journal)

EU leaders offered a tangible concession, a "The European Council underlines its firm commitment to grant exclusively to Pakistan increased market access to the EU through the immediate and time-limited reduction of duties on key imports." Pakistan will also be allowed to join a low-tariff scheme known as GSP-plus by 2014. EU Trade Commissioner Karel De Gucht will administer the specific cuts. In the end, the cuts will be about $400 million a year, EU officials said.

The officials expect the commissioner to limit the cuts to around that amount to protect manufacturers in textile-producing nations such as Italy, Spain and France, which say they fear being drowned out by Pakistani imports. There are also some reservations in the EU's trade office that Pakistan might take away too much market share from other "vulnerable" countries, such as Tunisia, Turkey and Mexico, an EU official said.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Sep 2010 23:22

Dilbu wrote:China delivers ship to Pak Navy (F22P Frigate)
ISLAMABAD—PNS SAIF, the third ship of the Sword Class series constructed for Pakistan Navy by Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard of Shanghai was delivered to Pakistan Navy on Wednesday in a colourful and impressive ceremony. During the Commissioning ceremony, Pakistani flag was hoisted on the ship with band playing Pakistani National Anthem. The chief guest on the occasion was Admiral Noman Bashir NI(M), Chief of the Naval Staff.

Is it better quality than the Pak Railways Locomotives built by Dong Fang?

James B · Post by **James B** » 16 Sep 2010 23:32

More pakhana hitting the fan in pakhanistan

At least 71 universities face closure due to shortage of funds

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 16 Sep 2010 23:33

Butt wants ties with India resumed, no leniency for trio

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ijaz Butt Thursday appealed to International Cricket Council (ICC) president Sharad Pawar for the resumption of India-Pakistan cricket ties and also assured him that his board will not ask for leniency for the three suspended Pakistani cricketers if they are found guilty of spot-fixing.

After meeting Pawar, a former Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) president, at his residence here, Butt said India should come and play in Pakistan.

guboing in full swing.

archan · Post by **archan** » 17 Sep 2010 00:26

krisna wrote:
After meeting Pawar, a former Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) president, at his residence here, Butt said India should come and play in Pakistan.

guboing in full swing.

I hope Pawar didn't have coffee in his mouth at that moment.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Sep 2010 00:53

shiv wrote: < snip >
If Pakistan makes peace with India everyone will come out better - although Pakistan will be relegated to its true status - an overcrowded country of little consequence that is no more than a chronically sick fragment of 19th century India. No amount of rivalry of Sun Tzu can rival this solution. Even the Chinese will one day develop the brains to figure this out.

This will require:
1) A winding down of the Pakistan army's power
2) Sending Islamists to houriland.
3) Re education and demilitarization of Pakistanis

Thanks Shiv

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Sep 2010 01:18

US drones are pounding Pakistan's North Waziristan. Here's why.

US drones have stepped up bombing raids to combat new alliances cropping up between disparate militants coming to Pakistan's North Waziristan region.

Thousands of TTP militants fled here (north wazirstan) after last year’s military crackdown in South Waziristan, adding to the already mixed crowd of militants seeking shelter there post-9/11. And despite diverse nationalities, they appear able to work in sync.

“Our bonding force is our common cause of waging jihad in Afghanistan,” says Azam Tariq, TTP spokesman. Their ultimate goal, he says, is to implement sharia law. “Then why wouldn’t we be united?”
That unity has prompted the United States to urge Islamabad to again crack down – this time, on North Waziristan. But Pakistani security officials are hesitant to get involved there.

TSP excusing itself due to floods. It does not want to target north wazirstan due to haqqani network based here. expecting it to help influence pakistan's role in afghanistan post US withdrawal.
Due to the above, national bird of TSP has intensified its sorties.Over 12 strikes so far this month and about 70 this year the maximum so far in 9 years.

Commanders use their old jihadi contacts to recruit young warriors into their own training camp.

The Punjabi Taliban – so named for their roots out of southern Punjab, and distinguishable by the fact that their members do not speak Pashto and traditionally have ties with groups such as Jaish-e-Mohammed – now operate out of North Waziristan and fight alongside Pakistani Taliban and Al Qaeda

According to US estimates, there are about 2,000 Al Qaeda militants in the region. Their main hideouts, the prime target of US drones in the spring, are located in the mountains between Miramshah and the Afghan border. Additionally, there are Uzbeks, Chinese Uighurs, Chechens, and Tajik militants collaborating in North Waziristan.

Miranshah and surrounding areas are the haqqani network based.

There is also a group of hundreds of militants belonging to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), a separatist extremist movement of Uighurs fighting against China for the independence of Xingjian Province. The commander, known as Abdul Shakoor, succeeded Abdul Haq al-Turkestani after he was killed in a drone attack early this year.

with TSP slowly committing suicide, this is may be one of the reasons for increased panda activity across POK to prevent spillover into xinjaing.

Sources say that intermarriages between the foreign militants and tribal families indicate that the bonding has strengthened cross-recruitment and connections.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Sep 2010 01:28

Pakistan May Face Sugar Shortage of 1.2 Million Tons as Flood Damages Crop

Pakistan, which consumes 4 million tons of sugar a year, needs shipments to bolster supply and reduce record domestic prices. The government said in August it would allow the duty- free import of raw sugar by mills.

The domestic price of sugar rose 38 percent to as much as 90 rupees ($1.05) a kilogram in the past month as aid workers bought the sweetener for flood victims in relief camps, said Farid Qureshi, general secretary of the Retailers Grocers Association in Karachi.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Sep 2010 01:35

krisna, From the CS Monitor article, the following is the strength of terrorists in North Waziristan:

~2000 Al Q
~3000 Uzbeks
~ hundreds< 1000 Uighers of East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM)
~ Thousands > 3000 (?) TTP from TSP.

So over all less than 10,000 people and that too without military formations. Yet the TSPA is afraid of them.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 33#p942033

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Sep 2010 01:43

The Bravest Nation in the World

While the country’s volatility, militancy, and nuclear capacity certainly pose a geopolitical risk, a lot has changed since NEWSWEEK called Pakistan the world’s most dangerous nation three years ago.

It still is a threat to world. floods does not change the situation, might actually worsen it.

Zardari is now compensating with aggressive compassion, touring affected areas dressed in a dark shalwar kameez with a Sindhi cap and somber expression, instead of the suit and smile he normally wears.

The Army runs Pakistan’s largest corporate empire. It is in every line of business, including hairdressing.

good idea someone does not agree the head rolls.

what has TSPA done to TSP

its growth has come entirely at the expense of other institutions and has starved public-sector development. Each time it has assumed power, the country has lost ground—literally and metaphorically—starting with the handing over to China of a part of Kashmir in 1963(shaksgam valley). The petrodollar- and U.S.-funded Afghan jihad brought down the Soviet Union but left Pakistan awash with the militancy the Army once fostered, and is battling today partly as atonement.

it remains engaged in politics, if only to protect its own interests (which it sees as interchangeable with national interests).

TSPA interests == national interests. India is number one enemy of TSPA== enemy of TSP

Pakistan has more than 60 cable channels and, despite an occasional kerfuffle with the government, the fiercely vocal media remain sufficiently powerful to prevent any meaningful defamation laws from being legislated.

Tensions among the government, Army, judiciary, and media are new and healthy for Pakistan.From these tensions, an uneasy equilibrium of tolerance and forgiveness has emerged. This equilibrium should last, and be preserved, at least until 2013, when Zardari, Chaudhry, and Kayani all complete their terms in office.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Sep 2010 01:46

ramana wrote:krisna, From the CS Monitor article, the following is the strength of terrorists in North Waziristan:

~2000 Al Q
~3000 Uzbeks
~ hundreds< 1000 Uighers of East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM)
~ Thousands > 3000 (?) TTP from TSP.

So over all less than 10,000 people and that too without military formations. Yet the TSPA is afraid of them.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 33#p942033

Thanks ramana,

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Sep 2010 01:53

Benazir Bhutto monument provokes anger in Pakistan

Plans for a monument to Benazir Bhutto have provoked anger in Pakistan where thousands of people are demanding that its 900m rupee (£7m) cost be used instead to help millions displaced by the country's floods.

Asif Ali Zardari, her husband, is now president, and the 10-acre park and library complex in her name received approval at the start of the month.
The monument has been more than two years in the planning and had already attracted the ire of political opponents and campaigners before the floods.

Mr Zardari has been accused of politicising relief efforts after his ruling Pakistan People's Party suggesting building new towns for flood victims to be named Benazirabad.
Plans for two monuments – one in Rawalpindi on the assassination site and one in Islamabad – have already survived a legal challenge, which argued that Mrs Bhutto should not be considered a "national hero".

Farhatullah Babar, the president's spokesman, defended the project. "Benazir Bhutto was the twice elected prime minister of Pakistan and she did so much for democracy and human rights that it is only fitting a memorial is built in her honour," he said.
"The design has been approved but so far no funds have been released. The committee will now consider what to do in light of the floods,” he added.

dus percenti wanting it to complete this before his tenure ends in 2013. It may not be done later as he or his party may not be elected again and monument will be kept in cold storage. brrrr.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Sep 2010 01:56

krisna, In TSP what you waer also defines you political stance. Suit boot among flood victims would show alienation. Sindhi cap among the victims shows belonging to the victims' ethnicity!
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BTW, the irony of a statue of a lady in Islamist TSP!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Sep 2010 02:03

ramana wrote:The irony of a statue of a lady in Islamist TSP!

For long-range target practice onlee!

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Sep 2010 02:44

Caution--This is a whine post

Hasan seeks action against PCB bosses

Pakistan’s High Commission in London has blamed the top management of the country’s cricket board for mishandling the spot-fixing scandal and requested President Asif Zardari to take action, official sources said here on Wednesday.

what are the charges?
1) Vanishing effect (of PCB Chairman Ijaz Butt and other top officials vanished from the scene at Lords when the spot fixing scandal erupted )

2) PCB did not brief him on the relevant laws dealing with spot-fixing and caused

to him when dealing with media
3) PCB media did not defend them.

But Ijaz Butt is birather in law of defence minister.
Forget about it.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 17 Sep 2010 02:58

MQM leader Imran Farooq killed in London
MQM senior leader Imran Farooq was assassinated in London.
He was killed by a man in front of his house in. According to sources the killer used a knife as a weapon and attacked Dr Farooq
...

link
I tried googling for info on Imran Farooq with limited success. How important was he in MQM's hierarchy?

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Sep 2010 02:58

5 key players in Pakistan's tribal belt

Pakistani military operations in the tribal regions bordering Afghanistan have steered clear of North Waziristan, allowing the area to become a haven for militants. Tribal and local intelligence sources say some 15,000 militants shelter in this semiautonomous tribal belt.

1) IIlyas Kashmiri-The notorious Kashmiri leads a militia of around 3,000 men. He is operations chief of Harakat-ul Jihad Islami, a group the US government classifies as a terror organization with ties to Al Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba, and the Punjabi Taliban.
2) Qari Hussain- Widely considered the deadliest of all commanders, Mr. Hussain is reported to be second in the TTP’s hierarchy, after his cousin Hakim Ullah Mehsud. His expertise lies in producing teenage suicide bombers.
He is believed to have trained the Jordanian militant Humam Khalil Muhammad Abu Mulal al Balawi, who blew himself up in Khost, killing seven CIA personnel last December.The Pakistani government has put $600,000 on his head.
3) Moulvi Noor Saeed Wazir-Another 3,000 TTP militants operate under his leadership.His stronghold is his home region, the Razmak Valley, which links North and South Waziristan.

4) Hafiz Gul Bahadur--It is reported that each of the nine members of his Shura, or council, commands up to 1,000 local tribesmen, apportioning control of various areas across North Waziristan.He severed formal ties with the Pakistani Taliban (TTP), but still reportedly provides shelter to its militants.

5) Sirajuddin Haqqani --He is head of the Haqqani network and believed to be the main bridge between Al Qaeda, Afghan Taliban, and militant outfits in North Waziristan. Known among jihadis as “Khalifa” and the “soul of Jihad,” Mr. Haqqani has ties to Al Qaeda's Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri. The Haqqani network mainly operates along the border with Afghanistan's Khost province.He is the son of commander Jalaluddin Haqqani, a former Taliban minister for tribal affairs. Siraj’s four brothers – Nasiruddin, Badruddin, Khalil, and Ibrahim – are the group's military shura (council). Nasiruddin is believed to have conducted fundraising in Saudi Arab and other Gulf states between 2006 and 2009. Badruddin handles politics, settling disputes between militant outfits. Siraj's youngest brother, Mohammed, was killed in February this year by a US drone strike.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Sep 2010 03:03

Pakistan witnesses 225 suicides in a month

According to Pakistan Commission for Human Rights, the most of people put an end to their lives under juggernaut of poverty and hostile circumstances.

According to experts, the hike in suicidal incidents in the country is an alarming phenomenon thanks to the rampant non-tolerance in the society.

soosai bummers are a special category not included in the above. They not only end their lives but also end other potential soosai bummers.
Hence it is a soocide nation.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 17 Sep 2010 03:22

Pakistan witnesses 225 suicides in a month

Yo Paklurks, do these get their 72+28 as well?

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 17 Sep 2010 03:24

krisna wrote:Pakistan witnesses 225 suicides in a month
According to Pakistan Commission for Human Rights, the most of people put an end to their lives under juggernaut of poverty and hostile circumstances.

According to experts, the hike in suicidal incidents in the country is an alarming phenomenon thanks to the rampant non-tolerance in the society.
soosai bummers are a special category not included in the above. They not only end their lives but also end other potential soosai bummers.
Hence it is a soocide nation.

Never thought of it that way. Soosai bummers in bakistan are killing other potential soosai bummers on a daily basis.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 17 Sep 2010 03:25

Meanwhile business as usual, no matter where you are, how much fruit and fibre you eat, you have to unload your Pakistaniyat

MQM leader Imran Farooq killed in London: reports

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Sep 2010 05:38

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... london-790

Dr Imran Farooq is remembered by Muttahida loyalists as one of the key figures who laid the foundation for the All Pakistan Mohajir Students’ Organisation (APMSO), which eventually turned out to be a forerunner of the MQM.

During the early 1980s, the APMSO was converted into a fully fledged political party to advocate the cause of the Urdu-speaking popuce, mainly in Karachi and other parts of urban Sindh.

With Altaf Hussain as its leader, the bespectacled Dr Farooq was appointed secretary general of the party. He was also regarded as one of the main ideologues and the brain behind education of the party cadre.

When in 1992 Altaf Hussain went into self-imposed exile in the wake of a military crackdown, Dr Farooq went underground in Karachi, running the party from hiding. Although he was declared absconder by the then government, he continued to dodge the authorities.

Eventually he managed to slip out of the country on a fake passport and under an assumed name. After arriving in London, he applied for political asylum.

In the initial years he was one of the main players who helped Altaf Hussain oversee the party’s restructuring from London.

However, a couple of years ago differences emerged, sending Dr Farooq into obscurity. Since then he had been living the life of a recluse, with no role in party affairs.

Even then his brutal killing {in Londonistan} sent the Muttahida rank and file into a daze, leaving them searching for answers.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 17 Sep 2010 07:39

shiv wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:does PRC really need gwadar for oil? i mean, they could get oil overland from CAR and even Iran potentially
why then gwadar and a KKH pipeline? more cost, more hassle?
burma route more safe, lower mountains... happy ending?
An article I read today linked off this forum says that as long as Afghanistan is unstable this can't happen. Hence the only route is POK to Gwadar.

Afghanistan does not come into the picture at all.

China already has a pipeline to Turkmenistan. Iran is just a short hop away. The best access for China to the Gulf is via CARs and Iran.

Gilgit-Baltistan and Afghanistan are too mountainous and the roads there are closed for six months in a year because of snow.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Sep 2010 09:08

Pranav wrote: The best access for China to the Gulf is via CARs and Iran.

Iran will not allow oil & gas from other countries to be exported to China through pipelines traversing their country. Nor would the other Gulf countries and China prefer it. Gwadar is therefore a natural bet. Under this guise, PLAN will also enter the scene. The outsourcing of Gwadar port operations to PSA was a temporary arrangement. Some front-company of PLAN taking Gwadar over was always on cards.

Deploying PLA in Balochistan under the guise of protecting the Chinese oil pipeline is also quite handy for the tactically brilliant Pakistanis. They might think that it will also tackle the Balochistan insurgency. Pakistan has no compunctions in ceding its own territory to others. Shaksgam to China, large tracts of Balochistan and Sind to the Gulf princes for their houbara hunting, large fertile lands for Saudi companies to grow wheat & rice, FATA to 'non-state actors' etc. come to mind. Secession of Eats Pakistan was a special case of the same Pakistani trait. In fact, after the 26/11 incidents, Pakistan said that it was asking China to talk to India and was giving it all rights to take decisions on its behalf ! Nothing illustrates willing loss of sovereignty better than that and especially for somebody who brags constantly about their nuclear status.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 17 Sep 2010 09:17

krisna wrote:US drones are pounding Pakistan's North Waziristan. Here's why.

The Punjabi Taliban – so named for their roots out of southern Punjab, and distinguishable by the fact that their members do not speak Pashto and traditionally have ties with groups such as Jaish-e-Mohammed – now operate out of North Waziristan and fight alongside Pakistani Taliban and Al Qaeda.

“They are loud and short-tempered and fight among themselves. They show off, unlike Arabs who are generally quiet, maintain a low profile, and mostly use ordinary cars like us,” says Javed Wazir, a local tribesman.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Sep 2010 09:53

Nuggets from Urdu Press - TFT

ADB and Punjab

Columnist Mujahid Hussain wrote in Aajkal that Asian Development Bank, in its latest report, had complained that millions of dollars it had loaned for development projects in South Punjab had been spent on ‘sasti roti’ tandoors.

Mullen ‘darling’, Holbrooke ‘nat-khat’!

Famous religious TV anchor Dr Amir Liaquat Hussain wrote in Jang that American military chief Mullen was a darling who should quit becoming free with slave (ghulam) nations like Pakistan whom America has placed where it can kick them (thokrun par rakha hai). Mullen Darling had rocked the boat by accusing Pakistan of harbouring Al Qaeda leaders. He was listening too much to a mischievous (nat-khat) Holbrooke who is now too senile to be in his senses.

From Such Gup

Big spender

A posh Knightsbridge store for men’s clothing is run by a Sikh from East Punjab. The gent is on friendly terms with his customers, particularly the few uber-rich Pakistanis who visit his shop. Our mole in the store reported that Sardarji’s last big spending customer was none other than Mush, who toted up a bill for £ 50,000/ plus in a few days’ shopping.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Sep 2010 10:30

"Let the games begin...!"
This will be the beginning of the further alienation of the MQM from the rulers of Pak nd will have a casacding effect with he MQM wanting to avenge his murder.

Prominent Pakistan politician murdered outside his London home
Imran Farooq, a prominent Pakistani politician, has been murdered outside his home in London.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -home.html

Xcpts:

Dr Farooq, 50, was repeatedly stabbed in the head and neck during the assault in Edgware, north London.

He was a leading member of the Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) party, which is one of the largest in Pakistan.

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There were suggestions from Pakistan that he may have known his killer. When police arrived at the scene, they found Dr Farooq’s body outside his house.

A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said officers attended an address in Green Lane, Edgware, shortly before 5.30pm after reports of a serious assault. “On arrival, officers found a single Asian man aged 50 with multiple stab wounds and head injuries,” the spokesman said.

“Paramedics attended the man but he was pronounced dead at the scene.”

The politician claimed asylum in Britain after spending seven years on the run as one of Pakistan’s most wanted fugitives. He was accused of a range of charges, including murder and torture.

He has not returned to Pakistan since his arrival in England in 1992.

He claimed that year that he was wanted “dead or alive”.

“[This gave] licence and impunity to every individual in Pakistan to assassinate me,” he said.

Dr Farooq said he spent more than seven years in hiding in Karachi, southern Pakistan. He continued: “It was impossible for me to remain in Pakistan due to the continued threat on my life and liberty.”

He insisted the claims against him in Pakistan were politically motivated and continued his involvement with the party from Britain.

Last month Raza Haider, another MQM member, was gunned down with his guard as he attended a funeral near the centre of Karachi. The killing triggered violence in which dozens of people were killed and at least 100 wounded.

Azeem Tariq, the former chairman, was murdered in Karachi 13 years ago. Intruders entered his home and shot him as he slept.

PS:HOlbbrooke has reportedly said that aid for Pak can only amount o 25% requred and that Pak must find the rest from its own pockets.Great thinking,why not insist that Pak drastically reduces its defence budget for high tkt items ike fighters,subs,wasrhips and maritime patrol aircraft!They can buy what is needed to fight the "Talibanistas" but no India.

Shankas · Post by **Shankas** » 17 Sep 2010 10:47

ramana wrote:krisna, From the CS Monitor article, the following is the strength of terrorists in North Waziristan:

~2000 Al Q
~3000 Uzbeks
~ hundreds< 1000 Uighers of East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM)
~ Thousands > 3000 (?) TTP from TSP.

So over all less than 10,000 people and that too without military formations. Yet the TSPA is afraid of them.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 33#p942033

How come we never hear of any serious unrest in Uzbekistan. What are they doing to successfully export all these 'miscreants' to Pakistan?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Sep 2010 12:08

this MQM guy's murder is going to be pretty significant
the ethnic tearing is increasing
(interesting snippet from BBC on this case, ~8000 people were killed in karachi during the MQM cleanup, funny how bloodshed of this order gets little mention in the wider media)