Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

[shravan]

Karachi firings claim seven lives,
20 Sep 10 12:02 AM

KARACHI: At least seven persons have been killed in different firing incidents in the metropolis while a prominent activist of a political party, ANP, sustained severe injuries in Scout Colony of Gulshan-e-Iqbal area.

[eklavya]

Talking out of the Butt:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/se ... d-pakistan

[Gagan]

Pak China cooperation in building submarines, bigger ships war identified: Admiral Noman

. . . Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir said that Pakistan has identified to China the cooperation in the field of construction of submarine

The submarine being talked about here is likely to be Han-class SSNs.

Sir-ji,
I know that they have been talking about a nuclear submarine. But I don't think this one is about building a N sub in Karachi.
The chinese will probably build a Kilo copy, the Type 039B Yuan class or the newer Type 039G/G1 Song class subs.

The pakistanis are not sure that they will ever get any U-212s or any French Marlin class subs. They will probably go in for 3 chinese built subs and call it either indigenous or a joint pakistani-chinese effort like their missiles or JF-17 bandar. The chinese might eventually base a han class SSN at gawadar or one of the newer ports coming up at Ormara.

[Brad Goodman]

^^ The best part of that article was the naval chief was paying lip service to cheeni government for helping pakis during sailaab and within the same sentence boasting new war ships and subs for PN. So tells you volumes of how much armed forces are really pained at losses of mango abduls and ayesha. For them this is an irritant in their dreams for khilafat. Some others are sniffing at opportunity amidst the rubble via international aid & debt waiver. RAPES are feeling bad because it damages their reputation abroad when they mention the country of origin. No one cares of ayesha dies in her pregnency or nanha mujahids starve all the care is H&D, strategic depth, Lal Quila, Khilafat, Bum & Ummat

[Mahendra]

No one cares of ayesha dies in her pregnency or nanha mujahids starve all the care is H&D, strategic depth, Lal Quila, Khilafat, Bum & Ummat

You forgot Ghazwa e bund

[neeraj]

Ban calls for 'urgent' global response to Pakistan disaster

Clinton said that the United States has now allotted about 340 million dollars in disaster relief to Pakistan. Britain on Sunday doubled its aid to about 200 million dollars and the European Union said it has now contributed 315 million dollars. Iran said it has now set aside 100 million dollars, China and other countries also announced new financial contributions and emergency food aid, but it was unclear whether it would all add up to the two billion dollars requested. “We are here because the Pakistan floods are one of the biggest, most complex natural disasters we have faced in the history of the United Nations,” Ban told the meeting.

Pakis are all happy to accept free money but when it comes to helping their own citizens out they are not willing to spend anything
UN unhappy over govt indecision on flood tax

“It’s unbelievable. We are into the seventh week since the unprecedented flooding began and the government has yet to make up its mind about taxing the rich (aka Rapes) for the poor,” he remarked. The official said the international community was concerned over the lack of a concerted effort on the part of the government to mobilise local resources for the benefit of the flood-hit.
“When we approach international donors for funds, they want to know if the Pakistanis themselves are donating generously to the cause,” he said. “This is a question to which we have no answer.”

After 60 years of living on alms no one can expect Pakis to donate. I sure hope that the aid given by foreign countries is not direct cash donation which will allow Pakis to redirect it all to their military/talib network.

[SSridhar]

Angelina Jolie enamored with looks of PM Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani

ISLAMABAD: . . . she strongly recommended him for Hollywood screen but in the same breath said that Gilani, as the leader of his nation, was doing an even better job.

The 1950s repeating all over again. Ayub Khan was spoken of similarly by American establishment.

[Jarita]

Ban calls for 'urgent' global response to Pakistan disaster

Clinton said that the United States has now allotted about 340 million dollars in disaster relief to Pakistan. Britain on Sunday doubled its aid to about 200 million dollars and the European Union said it has now contributed 315 million dollars. Iran said it has now set aside 100 million dollars, China and other countries also announced new financial contributions and emergency food aid, but it was unclear whether it would all add up to the two billion dollars requested. “We are here because the Pakistan floods are one of the biggest, most complex natural disasters we have faced in the history of the United Nations,” Ban told the meeting.

Pakis are all happy to accept free money but when it comes to helping their own citizens out they are not willing to spend anything
UN unhappy over govt indecision on flood tax

“It’s unbelievable. We are into the seventh week since the unprecedented flooding began and the government has yet to make up its mind about taxing the rich (aka Rapes) for the poor,” he remarked. The official said the international community was concerned over the lack of a concerted effort on the part of the government to mobilise local resources for the benefit of the flood-hit.
“When we approach international donors for funds, they want to know if the Pakistanis themselves are donating generously to the cause,” he said. “This is a question to which we have no answer.”

After 60 years of living on alms no one can expect Pakis to donate. I sure hope that the aid given by foreign countries is not direct cash donation which will allow Pakis to redirect it all to their military/talib network.

Personally I think this flooding is a good excuse for the cabal to pay hafta to their favourite proxy army - Pakistan. Usually US has to come up with faltu excuses like Pak army fighting with Taliban to send over funds for "submarines, f-16s etc.
Now with the flooding the funds are direct and they can coerce India into sending funds to aid in harming India.
If you read Clintons book, you will see where his allegiances lie.
Perhaps there is some "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" going on in the donations.

[Brad Goodman]

ISLAMABAD: . . . she strongly recommended him for Hollywood screen but in the same breath said that Gilani, as the leader of his nation, was doing an even better job.
The 1950s repeating all over again. Ayub Khan was spoken of similarly by American establishment.

If you read the whole article you can see how Ms Jolie suddenly developed so much love for pakis. She was encouraged by Holbroke to undertake the mission so this was her sarkari duty. So hollywood sometimes takes dictation from state department that is pretty interesting

[Anujan]

Justification for cancellation of Pakistan's sovereign debts

[/b] for the accumulated $ 55 billion debt. Azeem Masih was quick to grab a copy of the Bible from the table and began to read from the Book of Deuteronomy: “At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts...” (15:1).{Appealing to Western Christian minds, eh ?}

I think Deuteronomy 25:11-12 is also 400% applicable in this issue....

[Jarita]

ISLAMABAD: . . . she strongly recommended him for Hollywood screen but in the same breath said that Gilani, as the leader of his nation, was doing an even better job.
The 1950s repeating all over again. Ayub Khan was spoken of similarly by American establishment.

If you read the whole article you can see how Ms Jolie suddenly developed so much love for pakis. She was encouraged by Holbroke to undertake the mission so this was her sarkari duty. So hollywood sometimes takes dictation from state department that is pretty interesting

It is not the first time Hollywood has been used for specific missions. It was well known that a certain supermodel was used for entertaining high-flying Japanese diplomats.
This is also not the first time Jolie has visited Pakistan. There are pictures of her with musharaf in the past.

[archan]

^^ ahem.... do you mean..?

[Jarita]

^^^ Just pictures sitting and talking to Musharaf. I don't know about anything else.
It is just that she has visited Pakistan several times and gets to meet the leaders a lot. She is in the region a lot.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/unhcr/2430159897/

http://is.gd/fiMuF

[sanjaykumar]

Now with the flooding the funds are direct ...

They can't help it. Pakistan is a product of the do nation theory.

[Pranav]

It is not the first time Hollywood has been used for specific missions. It was well known that a certain supermodel was used for entertaining high-flying Japanese diplomats.
This is also not the first time Jolie has visited Pakistan. There are pictures of her with musharaf in the past.

She is a member of the CFR, by the way. It is a think-tank created to serve elite interests.

[Jarita]

^^^ I was not aware of that. I do know that some Indian media people and industrialists are also member of this devious org but that is a topic for another thread.
Well it makes sense that she would be going to key nation for CFR interests. But in what capacity, we don't know.

[Gagan]

Gazwa-e-hind, Khilafat and other such ideas is just opium for the masses.
The real pakistani leadership is still the whiskey swilling, mujra loving and mistress keeping feudals.
To them these defense deals are excellent ways of making some big money via kickbacks.
Only some of their equipment is going to be of real value in a confrontation with India to the extent of being game changers. The Pakistanis clearly know that they are outnumbered and outmaneuvered both in the numbers game and technologically in any conventional battle with India.

Do BRFites seriously think that a JF-17 Bandar will ever be acquired in numbers enough to be a serious threat to India, given that it is destined to be a 3.5 gen plane? Will 3 F-22 frigates make any difference at all to the might of the IN and the Maritime strike aircrafts of the IAF other than some turkey shoot sport? The entire pakistan navy is smaller and has only a fraction of the firepower of the IN's western fleet - mind you only INs western fleet. Their fizzaiya is no better, how can they dream of war with only three dozen F-16s against an IAF that is nearing superpower status!

The pakistanis know this, these defence deals of military items of suspect strategic value continuing at the time of pakistan's greatest economic downturn is clearly meant to fill the coffers of a lot of credit suisse accounts, period.

The Pakistanis are counting on there being NO WAR with India, yet at the same time they want India to remain a threat, so these constant terrorist attacks below a threshold, the demands on Jammu and Kashmir, and now the water dispute.

To me this is the real story of a failed state, where the feudals in power perpetuate their hold by keeping the abdul ignorant and poor, even as they rake in their ill gotten gains. The jihadi tanzeems, the common soldier in the pak army are only there to guard their establishment and perpetuate their hold against and at the expense of the common abdul.

[shiv]

Report speculating that there is 80% chance TSP will strike during CWG. Questions I have are the following:

1) Will TSP just attack, and sit behind and laught their asses off as India gets humiliated and embarassed?

2) Will TSP send some kind of a message. I am not sure it will bring in Kashmir, because the white boys might then start associating Kashmiri Muslims with terrorism, not a good outcome for TSP. But then again like LET spokesman David Miliband did post Mumbai, the western reports might actually show sympathy and say unless Kashmir is resolved, the white west, God's own people, will be under attack. Exactly the response TSP would be hoping for.

3) To play it safe, TSP might instruct its proxies to rake in Gujarat or some other Muslim grievance in India. This might get the best response from the west from TSP's POV. "Extremism" is a "South Asia" problem and must be addressed by the "international community". Gautam Nivukula, Arundati Roy, Ananga Chattarji will be hosted by Fareed Zakariah on CNN talking about evil Hindus.

CRamS - of course this is possible. These are fears that everyone has, including the security forces. However - please allow me to point out something that I see you doing. You say that such an attack is "success" for TSP and so it is. You are right. But what pains and irritates me about these scary scenarios that you paint is that they do not even have to be successful. The very fact that people such as yourself are talking about these things is TSP's success.

And when a national event such as Ganesh chaturthi, Kumbh mela or a sports event such as IPL go past with no incident - it is a sort of success for the security forces who have ensured security. I never ever see a word of "Thank you" or even "Thank god" from you or any other forum member that they have done what it takes to ensure a safe mega event. All I have ever seen on this forum is a hysterical caterwaul of all the bad things that can happen before an event. Not a whimper when it goes past without incident. I see this as a sort of oblique slap in the faces of all the people in India who are as concerned about security as you are. After all we will be the first to holler about "security lapses", "incompetence" and "Pakistan's victory" if an act such as you so graphically foresee and take pains to type out should occur. Have you ever once conceded that someone may have done his job right after an event goes off well? Or do you believe the terrorists did their job wrong?

Please - you sit wherever you sit and read about newsworthy events and forget that security has to be present in India for Dasara, Puja, Ganesh Chaturthi, Sabarimalai, Tirupati and other temples and our schools and universities too. All soft targets. You never talk about these "day to day" risks in India as you use the "news of the hour" the Commonwealth games (or IPL) to apply your superb erudition to make dire predictions that we all know about and do not need reminders. I must state frankly that I find it tiresome given your record of moving on to make your next dire prediction before the next even of your choice without any reference to what happened to your previous predictions. I thinks its just plain wrong. And unfair. I don't think you are doing anyone a favor by such scaremongering. Everyone in India knows the risk is there - but the same risk applies to Indians every day going in trains, buses and to malls. And to our kids travelling in buses to schools. So what are you going on about?

[CRamS]

Shiv:

You make an excellent point, namely, when something goes off unscathed, nobody notices and commends the security apparatus, but when TSP scores, everybody like me piles on the security/intel failures which is unfair to them. My intention is not apportion blame, I was just speculating what TSP might be up to, especially given the shooting today at Jama Masjid in Delhi.

Here is what I am trying to do, albeit with not much success. I am trying to write letters to US media, engage think tank morons, call in talk shows etc, hoping against hope that terror against India perpetrated by TSP will be given the same seriousness as terror against the west & Israel, and not explained away as is the case today. And this is not because Indian security forces are not capable of dealing with the terror threat without US support (although it sure will make it a lot easier), but there is one key ancillary benefit of US media talking about TSP terror against India. Once US does that, Indian media will pick it up, ordinary middle class Indians and NRIs will also see the light of the day etc. Absent that, my current fear is that TSP will score a hit, and the blame will be on India, and ordinary Indians will concur. This is the daylight fraud mother India is up against.

[Philip]

Pak will not stop at any diabolic act to inflict pain upon India.It is incredible that Dr.Singh cannot see the evil that emanates from Pak.,time after time.Every time Pak "kicks" us like a drunkard kicking a dog,our beloved PM,like "man's best friend", wags his tail and goes back licking the Paki jackboot.When will it stop? It is past time for us to "bite the ankles",a bit higher(!),if not to leap for the throat of Pak and swiftly defang this monster from harming India ad nauseum.The recent shootings in Delhi ,just before the CWG ndicate that the Pakis want o sabotage the gams and India's reputation at any cost.

Pak must be told in no uncertain terms that if any terror attcks take place during the games,then India will unleash a stinging counterattack both diplomatically and militarily.The US shoudl also be warned that they should impose an arms sanction (major weapons systems) upon Pak for its failing to bring to book the perpetrators of 26/11 and are contnuing their devilry.I also feel that here is an insidious move by the SI/Paki mlitary to sabotage Obama's visit to India this wnter by creating mayhem in advance..

[James B]

Angelina Jolie enamored with looks of PM Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani

The 1950s repeating all over again. Ayub Khan was spoken of similarly by American establishment.

Saar, that's a rupeenews report, don't take it seriously. It is Zahil Hamidesque type of news. All bluster, no substance.

[svinayak]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... gD9IBEI580

Kids without food in Pakistan floods face death
By MARGIE MASON (AP) – 1 hour ago
SUKKUR, Pakistan — Suhani Bunglani fans flies away from her two baby girls as one sleeps motionless while the other stares without blinking at the roof of their tent, her empty belly bulging beneath a green flowered shirt.
Their newborn sister already died on the ground inside this steamy shelter at just 4 days old, after the family's escape from violent floods that drowned a huge swath of Pakistan. Now the girls, ages 1 and 2, are slowly starving, with shriveled arms and legs as fragile as twigs.
More than 100,000 children left homeless by Pakistan's floods are in danger of dying because they simply do not have enough to eat, according to UNICEF. Children already weak from living on too little food in poor rural areas before the floods are fighting to stay alive, as diarrhea, respiratory diseases and malaria attack their emaciated bodies.
Doctors roaming the 100-degree (38-degree Celsius) camp that reeks of urine and animal manure have warned Bunglani three times to take her children to the hospital, or they will die.
The mother says she knows they need help, but she cannot leave the tent without her husband's consent. She must stay until he returns, even if it means risking her daughters' lives.
"I am waiting for my husband," she says, still fanning flies from the sweating babies. "He is coming."
___
The floodwaters that began swamping a section of Pakistan larger than Florida six weeks ago continue to inundate new areas, forcing even more people to flee. At least 18 million have already been affected, and nearly half of them are homeless. Many have been herded into crude, crowded camps or left to fend for themselves along roads.
But doctors warn the real catastrophe is moving much slower than the murky water. About 105,000 kids younger than 5 are at risk of dying from severe acute malnutrition over the next six months, UNICEF estimates.
"You're seeing children who were probably very close to the brink of being malnourished, and the emergency has just pushed them over the edge," says Erin Boyd, a UNICEF emergency nutritionist working in southern Pakistan. "There's just not the capacity to treat this level of severe acute malnutrition."

[Dilbu]

Clashes, air strikes kill 36

PESHAWAR: At least 36 people were killed and 15 others injured in tribal clashes and shelling from gunship helicopters in Kurram Agency on Sunday, tribal sources said.
Thirteen people were killed and 15 others injured in overnight clashes. Later in the day, gunship helicopters pounded positions of the warring tribes, killing at least 23 people from both tribes, local people said. Security forces had targeted the area to stop the tribes from fighting.

Plus
Seven gunned down in Karachi

[svinayak]

Find out which countries are helping Pakistan
At the same time the killing keeps going on

http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&c ... IuYQRJuy6M

http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&c ... ofu-DGu5wM

[Dilbu]

Pakistan must use flood aid responsibly: World Bank

World Bank President Robert Zoellick told a high-level UN meeting on Pakistan that Islamabad would have to prove its ability to manage foreign aid ahead of an October meeting in Brussels to review a flood damage assessment report the World Bank and Asian Development Bank are preparing.
"To make most effective use of help and even to secure full donor support, the government will need a reconstruction founded on transparency, accountability, flexibility, backed by law," Zoellick said.
"Senior Pakistani officials have told us that this is what they wish to do," he said. "Yet experience from many countries warns that the machinery tends to slide back to business as usual."

Qureshi was also asked by reporters if the amount of aid that Pakistan had received so far was sufficient .
"We need a lot more than what has been pledged," Qureshi said, though he added that Pakistan did not expect other countries to "foot the entire bill."

[amit]

Talking out of the Butt:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/se ... d-pakistan

Folks, Butt's out of the But comment should be hailed!

It's the English and Wales Kirket Board (or whatever its called) which gave the Pakis a lifeline by organising their matches and fighting their fight in the ICC. And this is a perfect Pakistaniyat way to return the compliment!

I'm just looking forward to the next "neutral" venue Test Kiriket for the Pakis at Lord's.

We should support Butt 400 per cent, he should lay out all the proof! And I'm sure some SDRE Indian bookie is involved!

[sum]

IIRC, Butt had already sensed that ECB had enough and so decided to as well as spit on the plate which fed him in true Paki style so that he can later claim that it was PCB which dumped ECB and not other way around..

[svinayak]

Check out the interactive map of the flood

http://www.google.com/crisisresponse/pa ... loods.html


Check out the food shortages

http://pakreport.org/ushahidi/

[Gagan]

After reading Ijaz Butt's speech, I am 400% convinced that the british have found out that the pakistani cricket board was making money off match fixing, and that the pakistani cricket players, the pakistani cricket board and the bookies are part of one whole onlee.

This speech / onslaught fits into the pattern that we've seen the pakistanis indulge in several times in the past just before they are about to be exposed. For example if readers will remember, the pakistanis called Ajmal Kasab an Indian initially, then as news came that he was a pakistani citizen, they changed their story to start saying, that he was an innocent pakistani tourist, kidnapped by RAW from Nepal and planted in mumbai. Another example was Faisal Shahzad, when the pakis said, what was it about the US that 'innocent' pakis who lived there became terrorists - to preempt the US from saying the same about Pakistan.

The pakistanis accuse the other party of what they are about to be accused for to preempt it, so that it ends up looking like a tit for tat diplomatic spat. Meanwhile, another set of people is probably GUBOing to the english to hush up everything, and profusely apologizing for everything butt has been saying, claiming that these are for domestic consumption within pakistan onlee. This technique pre-empts that accusation from coming to surface.

There will be several more oppertunities for us to view this technique in action, because pakistan and its citizens will continue to get caught with its pants down repeatedly.

[Lalmohan]

why are we getting worked up about Jolie's comments? she no doubt made an off-the-cuff remark about gilani to humour her hosts and the paquis have started furious mijjile maalish as a result. so what? they can join all the other teenage boys around the planet with a copy of tomb raider and sprained wrists

[Philip]

"Offence is the best form of defence" and the Pakis wih their "Butts" to the wall,pardon the pun,are rying to ht back with outrageous accusations as if two wrongs make a right.

I've given earlier a first-person account of details of how the Paki PCB chairman at the time,a general n the company of his pals, contacted the mafia "don" to check the result of an ODI mach between India and Pak for his pals who had bet on the result.The entire pyramid of Paki cricket is rotten an only a massive ban on the team for at least 5 yrs. might cleanse the game of this cancer.Does the ICC have the balls hough to do so? Otherwise,a boycott of Pak as SAfrica is hintng at will have to be done by the cricket playng world.

Pak can then play cricket with the likes of the Taliban and AlQ,bowling grenades at each other,batting wth Kalashnikovs,running through minefields and scoring boundaries and sixers with their IEDs and bombs!

[Pratyush]

In the event of a ban on Pakir krikit team, the new best fliend of TSP will bail them out.

[Manishw]

Pak can then play cricket with the likes of the Taliban and AlQ,bowling grenades at each other,batting wth Kalashnikovs,running through minefields and scoring boundaries and sixers with their IEDs and bombs!

[Ambar]

ICC will never ban Pakistan no matter how serious/how frequent the infractions.Cricket is not football,it is played by less than dozen countries and much of the revenue generation comes from S.Asia.170m cricket fans is a huge chunk to lose and if anything the oligarchs in BCCI /affiliated leagues and cricket boards in India will vociferously lobby to save the Pakis.

[Lalmohan]

when SA were banned, their players/sports people miraculously discovered new nationalities (and indeed when they werent selected, they discovered new ones, e.g. pietersen), so no doubt the paquis when banned will rediscover their indian, bangladeshi, sri lankan and even afghan roots and see if they can play for these teams

[Ambar]

..and as Pakistani cricket gets more 'scripted' and boring by the day, the faithfuls in the 'land of pure' have moved on to their other favorite sport : Killings!

12 dead in Karachi shootouts in less than 24 hrs.

http://www.samaa.tv/News25635-Death_tol ... to_12.aspx

[Philip]

It looks like the "20-20" series in Karachi between the MQM and the PCB's XI has begun with a "bang"! After the sensational "retirement" of a veteran MQM cricketer in London recently,the MQM has brought in "new blood" to the ranks of the team.This is evident in the "heavy scoring" in the frst few overs by MQM openers.The PCB's team appears to be running for cover from the salvoes from the "bats" of the MQM.This series is proving to be one of the most exciting ever n the history of paki crooket.We understand that the aim of the MQM is one day to achieve full "test-playing" status.A strong performance in this series will help convince sceptics that the MQM can hold their own against the PCB's XI.

[Chinmayanand]

Botham calls for Pakistan ban

Sir Ian Botham says the time has come to ban Pakistan from international cricket, following Ijaz Butt's comments about England.

[Chinmayanand]

Musharraf faces abusive callers during telethon

Aiming to enter political arena in Pakistan, the former military ruler's first direct dialogue with the people threw up some bitter moments for him as he faced an abusive and offensive audience. Taking part in a telethon to raise funds for millions of victims of the country's flood devastation, former President Pervez Musharraf, who is on a self-imposed exile, faced several abusive callers who blamed him for Pakistan's problems.

A retired brigadier who called the telethon organised by a TV news channel said: "Musharraf sahab, I have two shoes for you..." He was then abruptly cut off.

Another caller asked: "Where is the money amassed for Muzaffarabad (the area affected by the 2005 earthquake)? You should account for it."

Yet another caller said: "You have sold out the daughters of Pakistan to the US. Where are the dollars so earned?"

Another caller asked Musharraf to account for the number of persons "slaughtered" by him during the 2007 military operation against radical elements holed up in the Lal Masjid in Islamabad.

One more caller said: "We can never forgive you for what you have done to Pakistan. You have plundered Pakistan to the extreme and you destroyed the country. Curse on you, curse on you."

[Lalmohan]

oh well, I guess the political return is on hold then?
more kebabs on the edgware road