J & K news and discussion

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 20 Sep 2010 14:48

^ This is the real 'takleef' to people following radical ideologies and their supporter's hence the attempt to repeal AFSPA.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Sep 2010 14:52

Guys, If the army is called to handle a situation then it is clear that the civilian govt is unable to handle the situation. That being the case, the army in order to restore the constitutional authority needs a special provision of law.

Also, the response of the GOI till now is not to remove AFSPA. That is the greatest service they have done this nation in the times of crisis the valley is facing.

The only was the ASFPA will be removed is when the GOI is sure that the Wahabis are not going to keep on pelting stones and return to their day jobs and stay with them.

Once the GOI is sure of that, the ASFPA will be withdrawn by the GOI without any one asking for its removal and not a minute before that.

Till then the Uber Indian liberals can keep shouting about the AFSPA.

JMT

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 20 Sep 2010 15:03

Pratyush, your feelings are understood, but realize Army IS NOT needed for the stone pelting vermin. CRPF is MORE THAN ENOUGH

IA is in valley ONLY and ONLY because of presence of Jihadi's.

The MOMENT Ak 47 wielding Pakistani agents disappear from the Valley so will AFSPA.

The stone pelters are nuisance, nothing more (from IA operating perspective)

PrasadZ · Post by **PrasadZ** » 20 Sep 2010 15:22

@AbhishekD:
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article528762.ece
In brief, Naxal ops are conducted by CRPF, RR and local police (there is some movement towards an inter state police force)
The difference in these ops over COIN ops in Kashmir has been the role of the Pak army. The Naxals have been lethal fairly recently and armed response from GOI is yet to catch up with the severity of their attacks; the Pak military has been lethal since the early 90s in the valley and needed a corresponding IA introduction.
With the Naxals, GOI is ramping up armed response; in the valley, we need to add other elements to our response, even if we choose not to reduce arms on the ground

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Sep 2010 15:24

^^^ Sanku, Very true, that is why I am perplexed about the attention the ASFPA is recieving from the DDM. Cause to the best of my knoledge about the ground situation in the Valley. The Army is not involved in the day to day urban policing operations. Then why all this cribbing about ASFPA?

This is whats bothering me.

Thats also the reason why I feel the ASFPA will not be withdrawn. As it is solving the wrong problem by the GOI.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Sep 2010 15:29

AFSPA is being manipulated for political means, mango people and DDM's dont understand the distinctions about what applies to whom

as others have pointed out, there is an obvious beneficiary to having it withdrawn - across the border

we just need to ride this one out, the kashmiri wahabbi morons will soon get tired and cold

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 20 Sep 2010 16:22

I accept the fact that for every stone pelter in Kashmir there are 5 people who wish to just live peacefully but cannot raise their voice for fear of being targetted. The only way to reach out to them is via development of the region, development gives voice to the moderates and the middle class while poor population is always subverted by extremists.

The only way to bring about that development is to neutralize those who disrupt peace in the Valley. such prolonged agitations are only roadblocks in the way of inevitable and lasting peace even though they may seem like Demons at present.

Every insurgency ends in Phases and while we have been more or less succesful in taking away the guns, the stones may take some more time.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 20 Sep 2010 16:30

Nihat wrote:The only way to reach out to them is via development of the region, development gives voice to the moderates and the middle class while poor population is always subverted by extremists.

I guess others have raised this point already

. The way Kashmiris have been going about is as if, some body else is blocking their rights to get developed. And I really cannot understand how they reached this conclusion. Geography cannot be considered as a reason for lack of development, the economic policies of Indian Union effects Kashmiris the same way as it would affect a Tamilian, a Bengali, a Maharashtrian and a Himachali. So if these folks all can still run the show, I really dont know what stops the Kashmiris from doing the same. I feel if Kashmiris can get down from their high horse, think about various options which India gives them, move about the country and improve their things that would be a simpler thing to do. The whines which I hear of late, are if some one else have to take the ownership and develop Kashmir, in a way Kashmiris want it (without they working an inch towards it). The constant whines I hear reminds me of babies/small-kids who have been pampered so much that they now know how to get what ever they want by whining.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Sep 2010 16:38

There are several ways in whcih the "stoned" ones can be dealt with.Paint which takes days to fade,making it easy to spot rioters who can then be arrested and hard-core ones deported from the Valley.Using the great armoured "Bull of Dozer" as the Israelis have done so successfully in Gaza,rollng down barrels of hot oil,etc. that can be lit if need be and (where are they?) water cannons which is the staple method of crowd control in most developed countries.Other techniques likusng pepper/chili sprays/bombs are far more "friendly " than live ammo (last resort).The Kashmiri youth should realsie that it is pointless fightng aganst the state.The ringleaders have to ge the stick though and hey should all be rounded up (separatists and their key sympathisers) an tried for treason.

A transparent development authoriy which is directly under Central arministration should also be set up to convince the locasl that their aid is not being stolen by corrupt politicos.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 20 Sep 2010 16:57

Sachin wrote:
Nihat wrote:The only way to reach out to them is via development of the region, development gives voice to the moderates and the middle class while poor population is always subverted by extremists.
I guess others have raised this point already . The way Kashmiris have been going about is as if, some body else is blocking their rights to get developed. And I really cannot understand how they reached this conclusion. Geography cannot be considered as a reason for lack of development, the economic policies of Indian Union effects Kashmiris the same way as it would affect a Tamilian, a Bengali, a Maharashtrian and a Himachali. So if these folks all can still run the show, I really dont know what stops the Kashmiris from doing the same. I feel if Kashmiris can get down from their high horse, think about various options which India gives them, move about the country and improve their things that would be a simpler thing to do. The whines which I hear of late, are if some one else have to take the ownership and develop Kashmir, in a way Kashmiris want it (without they working an inch towards it). The constant whines I hear reminds me of babies/small-kids who have been pampered so much that they now know how to get what ever they want by whining.

I would like to add to that that J&K has been receiving 8 times more grant money on per capita basis compared to other Indian states.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 20 Sep 2010 17:02

Nihat wrote:I accept the fact that for every stone pelter in Kashmir there are 5 people who wish to just live peacefully but cannot raise their voice for fear of being targetted. The only way to reach out to them is via development of the region, development gives voice to the moderates and the middle class while poor population is always subverted by extremists.

The only way to bring about that development is to neutralize those who disrupt peace in the Valley. such prolonged agitations are only roadblocks in the way of inevitable and lasting peace even though they may seem like Demons at present.

Every insurgency ends in Phases and while we have been more or less succesful in taking away the guns, the stones may take some more time.

The only way Kashmir can develop is with investments from outside Kashmir and for that you have remove article 370. They cannot ask other Indians to stay out but at the same time expect them to pay for not working or stone throwing.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 20 Sep 2010 17:02

Abdullahs are pulling wool over everyone. Probably UPA knows that but they are adhering as another apeasement sop. The Abdullahs are making nationalistic statements (probably louder than late Sardar Patel) in the front end but in the backend they are telling the GOI that if autonomy of 1950 level is given they can neutralize the seperatists. All these Kashmir leaders know that it is now or never. When pak disintigrates , GOI will go for a kill and at that time there will be no gun to hold for asking ransom.

I have a suspicion, Abdullas, Geelani, Muftis are all working in tandem for the same purpose of autonomy. If they don't get it now, there is a huge potential that JK may become like any other state of India and after that their leaverage exits for the land as any gujjar also could become CM. There are certain long pending stuff like re-drawing the constituencies' borders which could make valley constituencies less than jammu+ladakh etc. Also, for the first time there was a census operation in the whole state and that will make the re-drawing of the assembly constituencies easier.

Chidu is talking too much about autonomy but he very well know that it is impossible as there may be a need to do constitutional amendment and there is no chance for such stuff in this parliament.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 20 Sep 2010 17:04

Philip wrote:There are several ways in whcih the "stoned" ones can be dealt with.Paint which takes days to fade,making it easy to spot rioters who can then be arrested and hard-core ones deported from the Valley.Using the great armoured "Bull of Dozer" as the Israelis have done so successfully in Gaza,rollng down barrels of hot oil,etc. that can be lit if need be and (where are they?) water cannons which is the staple method of crowd control in most developed countries.Other techniques likusng pepper/chili sprays/bombs are far more "friendly " than live ammo (last resort).The Kashmiri youth should realsie that it is pointless fightng aganst the state.The ringleaders have to ge the stick though and hey should all be rounded up (separatists and their key sympathisers) an tried for treason.

Philip, hot oil or bulldozers will just give these chimps what they desire - more media coverage,and internationalize the issue as India would immediately be tagged with Israel. Water cannons and chilli bombs would be a good start, but how do you make sure those stone-pelters are put out of action for a while without killing them? Hit them below the waist and make sure they are bed ridden for a long long time, that would also serve as a example for their peers.

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 20 Sep 2010 17:05

SO to make a long story short.

Continue hitting the extremists with bullets and also continue to build roads, airports, railways, communication, healthcare etc in times of peace - This will ultimetly pay off.

Lets forget about Article 370 - it's a political handle so I don't expect it to go anytime soon

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 20 Sep 2010 17:08

Nihat wrote:I accept the fact that for every stone pelter in Kashmir there are 5 people who wish to just live peacefully

That perhaps is one point of view.Another point of view which I accept is that for every 5 stone pelter's there might perhaps be one who wishes to live peacefully.When it comes to violence a majority are radicalized.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 20 Sep 2010 17:11

Nihat wrote:SO to make a long story short.

Continue hitting the extremists with bullets and also continue to build roads, airports, railways, communication, healthcare etc in times of peace - This will ultimetly pay off.

Lets forget about Article 370 - it's a political handle so I don't expect it to go anytime soon

I agree that removing article 370 requires lot of guts from babus and netas. However one way to wean away youth from violence is rapid economic development. So called "Azaadi" or autonomy will only make it a cesspool of jihadis. Just building roads, airports will make them think they are entitled to it. What is that they are giving in return. In fact one question I would like to ask is how is Kashmir worse off than any other state in India that they feel , they should move out?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Sep 2010 17:14

reuters reporting that separatist leaders have rejected talks with GOI representatives
more threats of insurgency, usual stalling
fairly predictable, and shows their hand (or the hand up their musharrafs from isloo)

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 20 Sep 2010 17:19

Nihat wrote:
Continue hitting the extremists with bullets and also continue to build roads, airports, railways, communication, healthcare etc in times of peace - This will ultimetly pay off.

That perhaps is something that requires to be done not only in Kashmir but all of India and perhaps the whole planet.

Nihat wrote: Lets forget about Article 370 - it's a political handle so I don't expect it to go anytime soon

That again is perhaps one P.O.V.Another P.O.V that I have is to abolish it completely and force the G.O.I to do so by democratic means.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 20 Sep 2010 17:30

Sachin wrote:
Nihat wrote:The only way to reach out to them is via development of the region, development gives voice to the moderates and the middle class while poor population is always subverted by extremists.
I guess others have raised this point already . The way Kashmiris have been going about is as if, some body else is blocking their rights to get developed. .... The constant whines I hear reminds me of babies/small-kids who have been pampered so much that they now know how to get what ever they want by whining.

Kashmiri develpment is being blocked by ISI-sponsored Wahhabis. But the moment any sane Kashmiri opens his mouth to tell the truth he will be eliminated.

At the same time ... the when the rock-hurlers beat up the shopkeepers, forcing them to close their shops, then the police merely watch.

The Indian state is in effect intimidating the sane Kashmiris while empowering the Wahhabis. In this situation the fence-sitters will naturally be drawn to Wahhabis.

There are also some genuine grievances such as the massive corruption, that feed into this.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Sep 2010 17:34

Dodging the issue, whether it is A370 or stern action against extremists will not help. GOI already dodged this issue for 60 yrs and nothing has changed.

If the number of extremists are as small as the politicians, DDM, liberal intellectuals, and some security experts proclaim then how is it democracy to hurt majority interests (popular mandate, remember) to appease minorities?

India must repeal A370 and apply Anti-Khalistan strategy on Kashmiri separatists as well. Most of them will migrate to TSP or UK and that is good riddence.

Inaction as a strategy is good for short intervals only, not perpetually.

Even after all the self-proclaimed of loyaltees, strategies and external influences of Kashmiri extremists, it is a shame that some of the educated Indian show sympathy toward so-called Kashmiri cause.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Sep 2010 17:42

Guys, I have patiently edited out portions from several posts that were patently OT here. I should not be expected to exhibit the same patience in future. Take it FWIW. Good luck next time around.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Sep 2010 17:48

Worth a read:
http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?267136
Kashmir, Looking In.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 20 Sep 2010 18:06

worth a read:
Link:
http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source ... YBa8kSsCPg

From the link:
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Ethnic Cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits

The Muslim and Hindu peoples of Kashmir have lived in relative harmony and friendliness since the 13th century when Islam first became the majority religion in Kashmir. The Sufi-Islamic way of life that ordinary Muslims followed in Kashmir complemented the rishi tradition of Kashmiri Pandits (Hindus), leading to a syncretic culture where Hindus and Muslims revered the same local saints and prayed at the same shrines.
Periodically however, there have been rulers and leaders who have had a narrow view of Islam, and have subjected Hindu minorities to great cruelties and discrimination. The current armed secessionist movement in Kashmir mostly derives its inspiration from these people.
A canard is now being spread past few years by the secessionist-terrorists and their sympathizers that in 1990 Kashmiri Pandits left Kashmir willingly, having been "tricked" by then Jammu and Kashmir Governor Jagmohan. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The fact is that Kashmiri Pandits were driven from their homeland after a campaign of intimidation and harassment was launched against them by the military-wing of the secessionists. Kashmiri Pandits were forced from their hearths and homes at the point of gun. The objective of this ethnic cleansing was to create a minority-free Kashmir valley where the goal of Islamization could be easily forced on the ordinary people. The books and articles below will provide you with an in-depth understanding of the genesis of the current political situation in Jammu and Kashmir.

This website aims to tell the story of Kashmir as it was and what has become of it now. Contrary to the misinformation currently being propagated, India did not "annex" Kashmir. At the time of independence in 1947 from British rule and the subsequent partition of the country into theocratic Pakistan and secular India, the Hindu Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir had the option to join India, Pakistan, or remain independent. He contemplated the latter option, but after Pakistan invaded Kashmir hoping to preempt such a decision, he decided to accede to India. This accession was ratified by Sheikh Mohammed Abdullah, head of the largest political party (the National Conference) representing the Muslim majority of the state. The Sheikh did so because he felt that the interests of Kashmiri Muslims, who practice the secular Sufi-Islamic way of life, would be best served under the protection of the Indian constitution.
Unquote

wig · Post by **wig** » 20 Sep 2010 19:30

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/

HM ultra held with terror fund
JAMMU, Sept 19: Police today arrested a Hizbul Mujahideen activist and seized terror fund worth Rs 20,000 from his possession which he was going to deliver to outfit’s district commander Qari Zubair in Khari area of Banihal in Ramban district.

The Hizbul activist nabbed with terror fund has been identified as Mohammad Sharief son of Ghulam Akbar, a resident of Kawara, Khari under the jurisdiction of Banihal police station.

SP Ramban Mubassir Latifi said Sharief was intercepted at Khari, Banihal by a joint team of police and 37 Rashtriya Rifles on a specific information and arrested when he was heading towards a hide-out of Hizbul Mujahideen outfit to deliver terror fund to Qari Zubair.

The operation was supervised by DIG Doda-Ramban range Manish Kumar Sinha.

The accused has been booked under Unlawful Activities Act. He was being questioned to ascertain the source of hawala money.

Mr Latifi said Sharief was brother of Mohammad Iqbal, an active militant of Hizbul Mujahideen outfit.

Ramesh · Post by **Ramesh** » 20 Sep 2010 19:37

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/sep/ ... to-him.htm

Interesting composition of the delegation.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Sep 2010 19:54

^ I wonder what went thru that delegation's mind when they heard that geelani-scum. **** He is no valuable than the ordinary stone-pelting kashmiri that got killed in police firing, IMHO. They both are holding the rest of state hostage.

Edited out inappropriate content. Don't post such thoughts. Gives people chance to get you banned by reporting. Even though they don't post much!

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Sep 2010 20:15

Gilani,

That piece of $hit, has the temerity to say that. Plus he Insults the all party deligation that represent the nation. Every dog has his day this one has had his.

Our people had to be insulted this way, still they put up with it. Just gors on to show the maturity of Indian leaders.

This is as polite a post as any that I can make at this insult to the delegation and by extention the Nation.

Ramesh · Post by **Ramesh** » 20 Sep 2010 20:39

Saar,
Please analyse what the delegation members have as their Idea of India

the rabid dog is.................well rabid. Nothing new here.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 20 Sep 2010 20:43

Geelani is very very useful to have around. He reveals the true nature of the rageboys which have been hidden due to machinations of our media, establishment and "kashmiriyat" of the Hurriyat.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 20 Sep 2010 20:44

There are four ways of breaking up this revolt:-
1.Patience: Waiting is necessary, buying time to chalk out the effective ways
2.Control: Deploying the forces (Police,CRPF and eventually Military, if needed) to control the rampaging mobs.
3.Punishment: Punish the originators of these revolts under the existing laws like treason etc.Geelani and his other colleagues can be tried for treason.
4.Dissection: Separate the separatists from the mainstream, by declaring them as treacherous individuals, denounce them publicly in the international press, gather the mainstream who wants to exist peacefully.

Eventually the followers will reduce,whimper and die out.Once Geelani is tried for treason and punished under the law of the land,it will end the beeline for future wannabe leaders too.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 20 Sep 2010 20:48

Pranav wrote:There are also some genuine grievances such as the massive corruption, that feed into this.

Which state in India is not corrupt? And in all these states, are that the state's out-siders who indulge in all corrupt practises? Answer is NO. Corruption in J&K, is primarily carried out by people staying in J&K (and not by Army men or Malayalis,Sindhis, Bengalis)

. I feel this "genuine grivience" is an excuse for riot mongering. This is the first bluff of the Kashmiris which need to be exposed.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Sep 2010 21:04

sorry Ramanaji. couldn't control the irritation after reading the Rediff article.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Sep 2010 21:11

Pratyush wrote:Gilani,

That piece of $hit, has the temerity to say that. Plus he Insults the all party deligation that represent the nation. Every dog has his day this one has had his.

Our people had to be insulted this way, still they put up with it. Just gors on to show the maturity of Indian leaders.

This is as polite a post as any that I can make at this insult to the delegation and by extention the Nation.

From LK Advani'sblog

And so far as the Hurriyat Chief is concerned, these facts about his past show up the man.

In 2002, Syed Ali Shah Geelani was seriously ill in Ranchi jail. A state aircraft took him to Mumbai for treatment. Here a doctor who happened to be a Kashmiri Pandit, by name Dr. Sameer Koul performed a difficult surgery on him and saved his life.

In 2007 again he was diagnosed to be suffering from cancer of the liver. He wanted to go to U.S. for treatment. The U.S. embassy denied him visa because of his terrorist links. He did not go to Pakistan. He chose instead to go again to Mumbai where the doctors performed yet another life-saving operation on him.

On return to Srinagar, he was given a rousing welcome by his followers. At the function held he said that India was in illegal occupation of Kashmir, and urged the international community to impose economic sanctions against India!

LK Advani

New Delhi
4th September, 2010

sum · Post by **sum** » 20 Sep 2010 21:13

The only way to bring about that development is to neutralize those who disrupt peace in the Valley. such prolonged agitations are only roadblocks in the way of inevitable and lasting peace even though they may seem like Demons at present.

Errr, didnt these same $#%^ tear down whatever tracks were laid for the Baramulla raillink and burn down most station and drove out all the non-KM IR staff from the place?

After a few months, these same guys will whine that evil India doesnt even provide proper connectivity!!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Sep 2010 21:36

^ at 161Crs/Day loss of economic activity, state of JK lost Rs 16,100 crs of economic activity due to this issue.

What does the economist in MMS have to say?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Sep 2010 21:43

anyway, geelani is not in control - he's just the next layer of the russian doll put in place by pak
its andrabi in his jail cell and others (for now)

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 20 Sep 2010 22:53

Sachin wrote: Which state in India is not corrupt? And in all these states, are that the state's out-siders who indulge in all corrupt practises? Answer is NO. Corruption in J&K, is primarily carried out by people staying in J&K (and not by Army men or Malayalis,Sindhis, Bengalis) . I feel this "genuine grivience" is an excuse for riot mongering. This is the first bluff of the Kashmiris which need to be exposed.

What I meant was massive corruption may increase resentment towards the state govt.

It's true that all states in India are corrupt ... all Indians have a legitimate grievance on that count. In Kashmir the general discontent gets mixed up with Wahhabi fanaticism.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Sep 2010 22:55

State of J& K is not international dispute, the only dispute is the presence of Kahsmiri Wahabai Jihadi Fasadi ( KaWaJiF ) living in the Valley land which dont belong to them. Packing and transporting them to their dream land of Shariat is the way to bring peace there.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 20 Sep 2010 22:58

Lalmohan wrote:anyway, geelani is not in control - he's just the next layer of the russian doll put in place by pak
its andrabi in his jail cell and others (for now)

Small correction Lalmohanji. Andrabi is a her not him and am not sure if she really is as influential as the huryrats

From Wiki : Asiya Andrabi

Her arrest report from NDTV : Separatist Kashmiri leader Andrabi arrested

Press Trust of India, Updated: August 29, 2010 00:36 IST

Srinagar: Jammu and Kashmir Police have achieved a major success when it arrested pro-Pakistan hardline woman separatist leader Asiya Andrabi, believed to be one of the masterminds of present unrest, along with an accomplice from the outskirts of the city.

The 47-year-old chief of Dukhtaran-e-Millat, was picked from her hideout by a special team, headed by SSP (Srinagar) Ashiq Bukhari, along with her 'second-in-command', Fahmeeda, from Malpor Zakura this morning.

Perceived as bringing in Taliban-like rules which includes veils for women, opposition to girl education and ban on using of cosmetics, Andrabi, who has been leading a separatist campaign, had been evading arrest for long.

She is alleged to have been receiving regular funds from Pakistan-based terror outfit Lashker-e-Toiba (LeT). Several crack teams were formed to nab her and her arrest is said to be significant in view of the fact that she has been out of the police net for long.

She was taken to undisclosed location for interrogation. Andrabi is likely to be booked under Public Safety Act.

She has been acting in tandem with another separatist leader Masarat Alam, who is said to be behind the stone-pelting campaign in the state. Alam is evading arrest.

Her double standards came to the fore in the wake of her desperate attempts to get a passport for her son to reportedly enable him to travel to Malaysia to pursue studies.

This was exposed at a time when the pro-Pakistani leader opposed to any easing of protests in the Kashmir valley to prevent disruption of school and college studies. She had made all out efforts to get her son a passport.

Desperate to see that her child's education does not suffer, she had also approached the courts for a direction that the document be provided to her son.

The boy, who secured 73 percent marks in class 12th, had applied for passport in March this year through his uncle as he was minor at the time of filing the application.

Ironically, Andrabi, who is struggling hard for her son's passport so that his studies are not hampered, had issued a statement earlier saying "losses of life, material and the education of children are inevitable..."

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Sep 2010 23:44

BijuShet, Lalmohan is talking of her husband who is supposed to be the lead of current situation.

I think the child should not suffer for his parents' deeds. bad enough growing up in that atmosphere.