Indian Education System

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 19 Aug 2010 00:51

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Bade · Post by **Bade** » 24 Aug 2010 20:44

x-post from nukkad

All these Univs and colleges like HCET can only have shiny receptions and teaching rooms but will lack in core facilities like library with 50K books, solid labs etc. They will never be able to attract good faculty as they will lack research facilties and most of them will have no PG or higher courses. 60% of UG seats will be in CS, CE and IT. rest 40% will be in EE, ETC and Instrumentation.
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These colleges have now become a factories to equip undeserving students, who can pay, with BE/Btech. Most of them will leave for abroad for higher studies. The quality of average BE/BTech is going down whereas the attitude in an average BE/BTech is climbing up with no break.
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Its so easy to get a BE/BTech now a days.

I think it is OK to begin with bare infrastructure but of good quality which can last 50+ years. A well designed and aesthetic look is very important for any educational institution which has a longer time view. Yale, Harvard etc did not begin with immaculate credentials or top notch faculty from day one, but it was built over many decades.

If the current demand is for BE/BTech degrees then let these new private colleges sell them for a price as long as a broad education of applied sciences is implied as in (civil, mech, electrical, CompSc departments etc). The inspired ones amongst the students can still opt for basic sciences when the calling comes, if at all.

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 24 Aug 2010 21:18

Dunno if this has been posted earlier -

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article553806.ece

Madrasas will be kept out of RTE Act: Sibal

Union Minister for Human Resource Development Kapil Sibal on Thursday held out the categorical assurance that madrasas would be kept out of the purview of the Right to Education (RTE) Act.

Mr. Sibal, who was addressing a large congregation of Muslim Ulema and educationists, said the exemption to madrasas and other minority educational institutions would be specified in a set of guidelines to be incorporated soon in the RTE Act.

Mr. Sibal said the Muslim fear that the Act would endanger madrasa education was unfounded in the context of the constitutional guarantees available to the community to establish and run their own educational institutions. “Door door se hamara koi irada nahi hai (we will not dream of interfering in your rights),” he said.

The Minister's promise was met with deafening applause from the assembled Ulema and Muslim leaders who, through the morning, had kept up the chant of “threat to madrasas.” Speaker after speaker denounced the Act as an assault on the minority right to run educational institutions guaranteed by Article 30 of the Constitution. Many saw it as part of a world-wide design to target and subdue the community.

Not against the Act

However, a small section of speakers — among them the former Delhi State Minorities Commission chairman Kamal Farooqui, Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind leader Mahmood Madani and Islamic scholar and Jamaat-e-Islami Hind leader Maulana Syed Jalauddin Umari — clarified that while they had serious misgivings about the Act's impact on Muslim religious education, they were not against the Act per se. Nor did they want to convey the impression that Muslims opposed universalisation of education.

Mr. Sibal drove home the point that the RTE Act with its emphasis on quality education did not come a day too soon. For far too long, schools had got away with offering poor quality education. It was the right of every child not only to get education but to get good quality education.

He said the quality prescriptions in the Act applied to all schools, including government and aided schools, and school managements could no longer hope to get away with lame excuses. In an indirect dig at the audience which repeatedly invoked Article 30, the Minister said, “The emphasis in Article 30 is on administration, not on maladministration.”

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 21 Sep 2010 03:10

The more things change, the more they remain the same...
http://telegraphindia.com/1100921/jsp/n ... 962361.jsp
IIITs saga
http://telegraphindia.com/1100921/jsp/n ... 962364.jsp

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 24 Sep 2010 23:26

These first-gen literates make it to med school.

A little boy who sold idlis on the street for 50 paise till Class IV, so he himself had some money for food. A Muslim girl who broke all taboos to study, when other girls her age were nursing their children back home. A boy who walked 2km every day to attend school. Meet the 2010 batch of Bangalore Medical College — it's a surprise bunch which has reached the portals the hard way, dreams intact.

There are hardly 32% who hail from the metro, the rest are from rural areas. Of these, around 30 are first-generation learners. This sets them apart, as they are the first to get formal education in their family, and in some cases, even their village.

Each has a gritty tale to tell, from learning life's lessons to grappling with the CET, with scarce opportunities. As some of them say, their parents do not even know what MBBS means; but most did dream of their children becoming doctors or IAS officers. Many have studied in Kannada-medium schools, some have not attended a single day of CET coaching, like Vijaykumar from Bidar. Of the batch of 150 students, 15% is filled through all- India quota.

"When we were young, most students were from elite colleges in Bangalore. Many students were children of doctors. Only a few were from rural areas and they always felt left alone. Now, it's all changed. We noticed this trend this year as we had personal interaction with the students," said Dr G T Subhas, director-cum-dean, Bangalore Medical College and Research Centre.
Finally, the tide is turning; it could be India Shining, indeed.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 16 Oct 2010 09:16

Pranab snubs Montek over Rs 500 cr grant for IIT-KGP

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Pranab-sn ... 13577.aspx

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 16 Oct 2010 10:21

Abandon silos in higher education

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Aband ... ion/698289

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 18 Oct 2010 05:04

Just as a heads-up, Microsoft Research India seems to be attracting the best and the brightest from around the world and is gearing up to be a top quality place. Really glad to see hardcore industrial research finally coming to India which gives me an incentive to R2I (only if I meet the quality requirements coz the bar is high!). Now many desi pee-chaddis no longer look at US (or at a pinch UK/Swiss/French labs) after graduation but instead take up their 1st research position in India itself.

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 18 Oct 2010 07:08

Microsoft, Google, IBM, GE are only great Research centers in India as far as I know. Wish if pay scale in defense PSU's, ISRO, IISc, IITs can change in addition to more involvement of private sector in that effort, in defense and general commercial research.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Oct 2010 09:13

afaik MSFT-rnd is located in a small building on sankeys road in sadashiv nagar about 2km from the IISC campus across the sankeys tank. very wealthy and tam brahmish/cine artist/top businessman area. lot of high end car showrooms nearby.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 19 Oct 2010 06:04

Yeah its in a building called Scientia. The top honchos there are all people who made money in massa and R2I'ed to take part in the desi boom.
Don't think the salary for the new bacchas are that high to warrant anything more than a peek into the TFTA car showrooms, hain?

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 20 Oct 2010 18:35

Meanwhile, students who were protesting against the setting up of TIFR campus on University of Hyderabad (UoH) land wore black badges on Tuesday. Around 20 students were arrested and removed from near the main gate of the university for raising slogans against the land deal done by vice-chancellor Seyed E Hasnain.

Looks like these political worthies will cut their noses even when getting something others covet with little work on their part.

Focus on research, PM tells youth

The first centre on the 209-acre Hyderabad campus, Centre for Interdisciplinary Sciences, is expected to be ready by 2013. TIFR will however, start its activities in another six months from a rented premises. The initial investment on the centre will be Rs 70 crore while the campus will be developed with a budget of Rs 2,500 crore over the next 15 years.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 03 Nov 2010 18:42

If any teachers are login in here....

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 13 Nov 2010 07:00

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/64289434/

Bloomberg's Pettypiece on Obama's India Trip

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Nov. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Bloomberg's Shannon Pettypiece talks about President Barack Obama's planned visit to India. In addition to a group of U.S. CEOs, a number of university officials will accompany the president as India looks to build ties with U.S. colleges. She speaks with Betty Liu on Bloomberg Television's "In the Loop." (Source: Bloomberg)

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 16 Nov 2010 00:29

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-1 ... leges.html

A total of 127,628 students from China attended U.S. institutions of higher learning, making up 19 percent of international students in the U.S., according to a report released today by the Institute of International Education, a New York-based nonprofit that promotes exchanges between U.S. and overseas universities.

India, which had been the leading source of international students since 2001-2002, supplied 104,897 in 2009-2010, second to China. India’s total rose 1.6 percent from a year earlier. Chinese students and their parents see a U.S. college education as a good investment because multinational companies in China are hiring graduates from U.S. universities, said Peggy Blumental, executive vice president of the Institute of International Education.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 22 Nov 2010 19:14

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/22/world ... l?ref=asia

India’s federally financed universities have agreed to adopt an American-style system of academic credits to give students more flexibility. The move marks a significant departure from a system that began during British colonial rule whereby students must earn their degree from a single institution over a fixed number of years.

Heads of these 22 universities — from a total of 500 in India — accepted this change in principle at a meeting in New Delhi last month. But they said implementation will take considerable effort. One of the tasks is “working out academic equivalencies across disciplines,” said Vibha Puri Das, secretary of higher education at the Ministry of Human Resource Development.

The proposed credit system will first be introduced at government-financed universities. However, those behind the drive want to extend it to other federally funded organizations too, like the Indian Institute of Technology, or I.I.T., which has campuses across the country

N.R. Madhava Menon, a senior adviser to the ministry, said employers today want engineers who can think across disciplines: “The I.I.T.’s are concentrated on engineering. Why not management, too? Why not law?” — VIR SINGH

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Nov 2010 19:23

how about good biology , pharma and medical colleges under each IIT and NIT, preferably in same campus. as of now engg and medical are poles apart in india but engg supplies much of the tech toys and tools that doctors use everyday.

MChandraSekhar · Post by **MChandraSekhar** » 22 Nov 2010 19:30

^^^ I believe IIT Hyderabad is trying to do something like this. It is organised as schools (US style) instead of silo-ed departments, and also got approval for a medical college. Thats what the director said in a meeting a year ago. One babu who had come as a guest(he was an alumnus himself) said they are institutes of technology and shouldn't venture into other areas. But, slowly the mindset is changing, I think.
And I think all have a bio-tech department which could include pharma related stuff.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 09 Dec 2010 22:04

These are the kind of things the rich Intl schools in India should do, rather than some mock debating skills with no value to society.
Students prepare to launch particle detector into space

It started with a field trip and a contest, as Parker noted in the June 2010 issue of symmetry magazine. Parker regularly takes groups of students to the CERN laboratory on the border of France and Switzerland. During a trip in 2007, tour guides took them to the laboratory of a British scientist, Michael Campbell. Campbell showed the students microchips he and his collaboration designed to detect particles in collisions in the Large Hadron Collider. The advanced, radiation-hard technology could detect the energy and direction of motion of individual particles.

Parker remembered the chips when, soon after the visit, Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd. held a competition to choose a student experiment to send into orbit on one of its satellites. She received permission for her students to use the technology in designing a cosmic-ray detector to go into space.

To support the Langton Ultimate Cosmic-ray Intensity Detector – LUCID – project, more than 50 students have formed a miniature laboratory, complete with computer programmers and a publicity team. When students graduate, they hand their responsibilities down to the lower grades. Both boys and girls participate; Simon Langton Grammar School for Boys kept its historical name when the institution began admitting both genders.

....

“Most times in the classroom, we’re told what to do and what the result’s going to be,” he said. “This is the opposite.”

Before the detector heads to the great beyond, the students need to develop software that will control how often and for how long an electronic “gate” that activates the detector will open to expose its 65,000 pixels to cosmic radiation. When the detector is moving through an area with little radiation, the gate can stay open longer to gradually collect signals from cosmic rays passing through it. But when it is in an area with a high concentration of particles, such as the South Atlantic Anomaly, it needs to spend more time shut to avoid overloading the available bandwidth.

The students are developing an algorithm to make the detector constantly readjust the timing of the gate in response to its readings, said Professor Larry Pinsky, chair of physics at the University of Houston, who has been advising the students. The detector will beam cosmic-ray data from the satellite back to the students, who will distribute it to colleagues from at least 10 other schools in the Kent area and other schools around Europe.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 11 Dec 2010 07:30

Sachin wrote:Off course one letter did touch my heart. It was from a person who was still wondering what benefit did he have in mugging up trigonometry during his 9th and 10th Std. This was exactly the same question I had in my mind. What was the point in learning this stuff up? In a class of around 25, so far one is in IAF as a pilot, a couple of chaps in the Merchant Navy, another 5-6 completed engineering and joined IT-Vity. The remaining chaps were for MBA, BBAs etc. and landed up in some financial firm or other. Dont know about the IAF chap, but for the rest of us trigonometry was totally useless.

The time spent in solving Trigonometry (capital T, for respect) problems improves muscles in brains. It increases logical analytical skills.

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I heard following rumors

1. Syllabus of 10th class maths has been cut to 1/3rd of of what it was in 1986 when I passed out.

2. Board exam in class-X will be optional. Schools will take internal exam and pass the students.

3. There wont be exams from class-I to class-IX

4. Students will not be failed till class-IX

Can anyone verify which of these rumors are correct?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 14 Dec 2010 10:08

A Study delegation of 33 Members from Stanford Graduate School of Business (GSB), California calls on the Union Minister for Human Resource Development, Shri Kapil Sibal, in New Delhi on December 13, 2010.

http://pib.nic.in/release/phsmall.asp?phid=32507

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 23 Dec 2010 19:04

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/ar ... epage=true

wake up call

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 24 Dec 2010 04:12

SaiK wrote:http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/ar ... epage=true

wake up call

The premise of the original article (in NYT), that American kids are behind their European and Asian counterparts at this grade level (based on the PISA), is itself demonstrably false. See the analysis here:

The amazing truth about PISA scores: USA beats Western Europe, ties with Asia.

In a nutshell "once we correct (even crudely) for demography in the 2009 PISA scores, American students outperform Western Europe by significant margins and tie with Asian students."

http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/ ... s-usa.html

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Jan 2011 12:02

Restoring Nalanda challenging task: Amartya Sen

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Restoring ... 46419.aspx

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 11 Jan 2011 02:21

Since admission season is already heating up I thought I'd post this info from last year. This is a real revolution no one mentions.

FWIW I remember a time in 1990 when the total engineering seats in TN including public and private was about 5,000. With about 1 Lakh applicants for the entrance exams out of 3.6 lakh 12th pass candidates.

And no one mention that crap about the quality of these graduates etc...

http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/09/stories ... 680400.htm

At the end of the third phase of academic counselling for engineering admissions in the State, only 12,336 seats are available as the number of candidates who have been allotted seats reached 1.02 lakh, crossing the one lakh mark for the first time in history.

The percentage of candidates from rural areas this year was 67.37 per cent compared to 64.71 per cent last year. Dr. Uthariaraj said this was in keeping with the increasing trend of more rural candidates getting engineering seats each year.

In 2005, 55.72 per cent of seats were allotted to rural candidates. This increased to 58.26 per cent in 2006, to 60.79 per cent in 2007, and to 64.63 per cent in 2008, Dr. Uthariaraj said. The fourth phase of counselling will be held on August 12 and August 13, for candidates scoring between 86 and 92 and for candidates scoring below 86 marks respectively. Applications for supplementary counselling will be distributed on August 14 and August 16, and spot registration for supplementary counselling will take place on those dates.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/05/02/stories ... 850100.htm

Around 50 new engineering colleges are expected to be started in the State with an additional 12,000 seats from this year.

“Based on last year's experience, we have supplied more application forms this year. Last year, 1.6 lakh forms were printed, but this year the number has been increased to 1.8 lakh,” he said. The Vice-Chancellor was in the city to participate in ‘The Hindu Education Plus Career Fair 2010,' which was organised to guide students/parents on various courses and careers available.

Dr. Jawahar, who is also the Southern Region Chairman of the All India Council for Technical Education (AICTE), said 94 applications were sent to the AICTE from Tamil Nadu seeking approval to start new colleges. “The approval is awaited. But, we expect an increase of 12,000 engineering seats through the new colleges this year,” he said.

Totally, there are 454 engineering colleges in the State with a seat capacity of 1.65 lakh.

“Last year, 30,000 seats were left vacant as only 1.35 lakh students joined engineering colleges. Seats are available in excess and every one who applies will get an engineering seat in some college or other,” he said.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 11 Jan 2011 02:39

I am glad that finally the haloed B.E. degree is as commoditised as a B.Sc. degree. No more claims of only geniuses make it to Engg colleges and rest of the unwashed abduls get in to the regular colleges.

dinakar · Post by **dinakar** » 11 Jan 2011 07:22

Bade, this explosive growth in the engineering colleges in Tamilnadu created a another monster. Now for parents, there children doing a engineering degree become a status symbol. The direct effect of this falls in the science education. Even in very good arts & science institutions there is no one to take science and arts degrees. The only exception is commerce. About these engineering colleges, most of them have only four groups i.e., IT, EC, EE and either mechanical or civil. From this you can understand they are targeting whom, The result now the engineering graduates are working for BPO's with meagre salary of 15000 some works for 10000 also.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 11 Jan 2011 08:46

There are many ways to look at this development. One is to lament at the scores of poorly equipped Engg Colleges graduating half-baked students who are not worth more than getting a BPO job. Well, if these new colleges were not in such large numbers then the alternative to them would be the regular degree (BSc, Bcom, BA) colleges and still they would end up as BPO employees. So nothing really has changed just because of a degree of whichever flavor.

Maybe, it has also given the rest of the BSc grads with a less costly degree, more of an edge in the job market with their pricing being competitive with respect to the large number of Engg graduates, who cannot all demand better pay packages purely due to a BE appendage

like they used to.

As for lack of quality students getting attracted to the sciences, an Engg degree however poor cannot be in the way. It might even help the cause with marginally better workshop and lab facilities in these Engg colleges. The large numbers will allow for more cross disciplinary migration at least for post-graduation. A BE degree holder can with aptitude definitely do an MSc if he or she so wishes for a research career. Though the incentive to do that in India is minimal considering the not so mature jpb market for those without the regular stamps of a BE degree even for R&D jobs in industry.

Besides all those skills in EE, Mech, civil or IT cannot be all that useless for any sort of research or industrial activity. I say more power to these colleges, if they can beef up on at least the applied aspects of physical sciences to make the base a little more stronger for the students and preparing them for a wider choice when they are ready to explore different options in life.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 11 Jan 2011 22:18

This being India even this explosive growth is inadequate.

Per the numbers

1990

12th pass - 3.6 lakh.
Engineers - 5000

Not an engineer - 3.55 lakh

2010

12th pass ~ 6 lakh
Engineers - 1.02 lakh

Not an engineer - 4.98 lakh

There are actually even more non-engineers now than 1990. This is what people mean when they talk about the demographic dividend.

Dinakar, there are huge waiting lists still for the established Science colleges. Try getting into MCC Tambaram for instance.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 12 Jan 2011 00:20

1 lakh engineers only?? I thought andhra alone now produces 70,000 engineers.

http://bieap.gov.in/resultanalysis.html#Mar%202009
according to this andhra has 5 lakh people passing intermediate every year

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 12 Jan 2011 00:30

Looking at it in another fashion. The pop of andhra ~8 crores. Avg lifetime of India~60
So on averaging every year, 13 lakh people are born out of which 5 lakh are passing intermediate.

In however way you dice it, going forward 33% of people pass intermediate.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 12 Jan 2011 02:48

For anecdotal evidence, someone we know had their kid chose St Stephan's College for a BSc over regular engineering. So there are such cases even now, out of passion for the subject. Just need to make the choices available to students more broader with an Engg Physics or Instrumentation degree provided at regular Engg colleges. Such broad skills will definitely be useful in multiple fields and if you like even a research career in an industrial environment.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 12 Jan 2011 03:05

I know quite a few people who left BE at places like IIT and shibpur to pursue b.sc physics. personally I think the BSc courses should be made more flexible with optional subjects in last year. a semester long project might be a good idea as well.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 12 Jan 2011 08:33

Lot of IIT EE/CS types moved over to physics from my time. I also know of a BE from JU who moved to physics and is a Bhatnagar fellow. So there are many such cases from the the distant past too. There were a few in my class who skipped BE or Medical (Calcutta Medical College) admission to do BSc(hons) in physics and chemisty. One was a son of HOD in Geology was WB JEE top 10 list.

The example I quoted earlier is a current year case, when economy is booming and still there are some who follow their passion. It does help that the family is also relatively established middle class. Things are looking up and in another generation when there is more economic certainty, the choices will widen. We are perhaps already seeing the trend in more middle class kids going into non-traditional fields like advertising and media/journalism etc.

negi · Post by **negi** » 12 Jan 2011 20:33

Well it cuts both ways my manager is a stats grad from ISI and his superior is a TIFR fellow (AstroPhysics) and hence most of the senior folks in our team (ITVTY vaporware) are MSc guys only the unwashed lot recruited in last 4/5 years is BTech type (like me

) hey btw yours truly too gave up on BSc in Physics in IISc (KVPY programme) for BE in sdre madrasa, not all have the jigra to take up pure sciences and make a career in the same, majority tend to play % tennis.

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Another key factor involved here is at 17 years of age an average teen tends to be excitable and even whimsical only the ones who are very clear about their future goals manage to stick to it, the majority follows the crowd(in early 2001 the flavor was Electronics and Telecomm

), that aside having well educated parents too is a bonus for they are able to guide the kid better and more importantly give him support.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 12 Jan 2011 21:33

Ah....the familiar Science vs Engineering debate.

Rahul M wrote: I know quite a few people who left BE at places like IIT and shibpur to pursue b.sc physics. personally I think the BSc courses should be made more flexible with optional subjects in last year. a semester long project might be a good idea as well.

I agree. I am myself a BSc(Physics) graduate. There are certain areas in physics that interested me more than others. But I had to take all the prescribed courses and the system is badly set up.

I would prefer a 4-yr course over the 3-yr system. First six months, a review of physics, chemistry and biology from 9th-12th class material. Next 1.5 yrs introductory classes covering next level of physics. Till now, all courses would be mandatory. Then next and final two years ought to be more flexible with advanced level of material. Students with interest in certain areas would be able to take courses and continue to maintain interest.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 12 Jan 2011 21:35

Why politicians build education trusts, not rural hospitals A simple blog illustrating the policies that attract nefarious intentions into the education system.

"Half of Silicon Valley is owned by my batchmates from IIT, Kanpur. I repent having returned to India 30 years ago to settle in Phaltan to do research for rural development...What have the politicians done to this country!Think of how the rural people are suffering for want of decent healthcare..."
This was the anguish of the woman's son- a US-returned researcher developing renewable energy technologies and devices for rural India.

dinakar · Post by **dinakar** » 12 Jan 2011 21:44

Theo_Fidel wrote:
2010

12th pass ~ 6 lakh

Actually last year around 7.5 lakhs students appeared for plus two exam in tamil nadu but if you take into account of science stream it will be around 3 lakh only because majority of the people will be in commerce, economics and vocational stream.. For this 3 lakh students about 1.14 lakh seats are available in engineering colleges. My main worry is most of the colleges are offering only EC, IT and EEE.

Theo_Fidel wrote: Dinakar, there are huge waiting lists still for the established Science colleges. Try getting into MCC Tambaram for instance.

That might be the case may be four or five years back. But now the situation is entirely different. I'm saying this because i'm following the admission for science in established colleges like Loyola, Vivekananda and MCC. Last year i saw even people who passed with 40% (in TN state board not TFTA CBSE) given seats for B.SC., Chemistry in Loyola and Viveka. In MCC the case is little bit different (not much) because many people join there from Kerala (due to the connections of other reason)
[Caution: The above thing only applies to Undergraduation, for PG still the demand is good..]

Bade wrote: Just need to make the choices available to students more broader with an Engg Physics or Instrumentation degree provided at regular Engg colleges.

My another worry is that choice is not available to the students nowadays. In my earlier post i told the reason for this. Getting a engineering degree for there children becomes a status symbol for the parents.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 12 Jan 2011 21:56

MCC? Madras Christian College? Man, what a campus it has. Wow.......even during my days....it was considered hot. Alas, I could not get into that. Some of the professors were top in their respective fields. Good balance between education and "other" activities.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 12 Jan 2011 22:01

dinakar wrote:Getting a engineering degree for there children becomes a status symbol for the parents.

Parents, generally, look out for their kids. They want their kids to be happy and respected in the society. In our modern society, education and jobs provide these. For right or wrong reasons, some jobs provided more money than others. It is a fact of our lives; and it but is natural that people gravitate towards courses that provide livelihood and more money. If there are enough high paying jobs in the science and arts stream, people will pick these readily.