Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Sep 2010 02:54

The fact that there are more Muslims in India than in TSP is proof enough that TSP is the wrong choice.

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 25 Sep 2010 03:47

Brad Goodman wrote:Bakis in real takleef. Shri Ombaba is flying over their heads to visit Bharat & Afganistan. Such a severe chot to H&D never happened since jinnah created the moth eaten country for TFTA.

Pakistan nowhere in Obama visit to region

Pakistan nowhere in Obama visit to region

—US President to 'fly' over Pakistan for Kabul

—Diplomats call it Pakistan's failure

—Term it as a bid to lower Pakistan's status to Afghanistan

I will not be surprised if there is a last minute change in Obama's itenary to include Pakistan.
In fact I will be surprised if Pakistan is not included.
After all Pakistan is a very special rent boy.

Shankk · Post by **Shankk** » 25 Sep 2010 03:49

ramana wrote:The fact that there are more Muslims in India than in TSP is proof enough that TSP is the wrong choice.

Yes we all know the facts but facts hardly mean anything for Pakistanis. It must be said out loud every time Pakistan harps about Kashmir. We rarely hear about POK as disputed territory. In most of the discussions regarding Kashmir the dispute revolves around supposed Indian occupation.

India has painted herself in the corner. There is very less wriggle room left for India regarding Kashmir. The best solution for India is to go on offensive and start LOUDLY questioning the creation of Pakistan whenever the issue of Kashmir is raised. I am not saying claim that moth eaten land but use the argument to our favor. The basic argument about claims on Kashmir lies in its demographics of mulsim majority. This claim should be seriously punctured and is possible with the help of IMs. Having IMs repeat this argument tremendously adds to the weight.

This also offers India more maneuverability in dealing with outside powers when they pretentiously ask India to to suck up with Pakistani terrorist army when they themselves go about brazenly achieving their own goals which includes killing terrorists and in the process killing innocent people as well.

India can put forward the argument that the whole basis of claims on Kashmir are challenged by muslims themselves. There was no need for partition as it was based on incorrect interpretations of Islam. Having questioned the very basis of Pakistan also gives us room to handle Kashmir issue in the realms of diplomacy.

Ashley Kravitz · Post by **Ashley Kravitz** » 25 Sep 2010 03:52

Rudra,
Here are the links to Swat video with "halal" title :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xey4o5 ... y-pun_news
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xey3x5 ... y-pun_news

Added later:
Replaced the longer video with a better quality one

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Sep 2010 03:52

[quote="Kanishka
—US President to 'fly' over Pakistan for Kabul

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With hand over the nose just like the birds flying over Poakland with one wing ..... using second one to cover the eyes.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 25 Sep 2010 04:21

Brad Goodman wrote:Bakis in real takleef. Shri Ombaba is flying over their heads to visit Bharat & Afganistan. Such a severe chot to H&D never happened since jinnah created the moth eaten country for TFTA.

Pakistan nowhere in Obama visit to region

The Daily Fail reporter is all hot and heavy about Pakistan getting ignored despite being the birth of 2 civilizations (and I guess, infinite uncivilizations).

I think it will be like what Kilton-sahib did, Baba Ombaba suddenly sprinting to another plane chori-chori-chupke-chupke and then driving to and cooping up in Amirkhan embassy in Slumabad. That will keep Paki H&D intact and ready to carpet bomb their own citizens once again.

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 25 Sep 2010 05:06

Dr Aafia's sentence: Pakistan may request Obama for special remission
Pakistan may request the US President Barack Obama to grant special remission in Dr Aafia's sentenceas, as Interior Ministry has started looking for various options for her repatriation from the US.
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Congressional elections will be over by the time Mr.Obama visits India. So, he can go all out to appease Pakistan without damaging his party. I expect him to drop in on Islamabad on his way to Afghanistan and announce a pardon for Dr.A.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 25 Sep 2010 05:09

Shankk wrote: India can put forward the argument that the whole basis of claims on Kashmir are challenged by muslims themselves. There was no need for partition as it was based on incorrect interpretations of Islam. H

That's an erroneous step. Absolutely incorrect to do any such thing. Of course, it would bring India one more step closer to being "Shariah compliant", which seems to be the fashion these days around the world.
Well, just because certain sections of Indian population happen to follow islam, that does not automatically translate to using their rule book interpretations to conduct diplomacy. Sorry absolutely incorrect in every which way.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 25 Sep 2010 05:29

r_subramanian wrote:
Dr Aafia's sentence: Pakistan may request Obama for special remission
Pakistan may request the US President Barack Obama to grant special remission in Dr Aafia's sentenceas, as Interior Ministry has started looking for various options for her repatriation from the US.
...
link
Congressional elections will be over by the time Mr.Obama visits India. So, he can go all out to appease Pakistan without damaging his party. I expect him to drop in on Islamabad on his way to Afghanistan and announce a pardon for Dr.A.

If he does that, that would be biggest political suicide by a US president since Richard Nixon and the watergate scandal. US govt is not exactly known for pardoning enemies of the state.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Sep 2010 05:42

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... dian-media[/b]
( Did they discuss Cashmere or Coffee Cafe)

Indian External Affairs Minister SM Krishna and his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi have met in a "chance enco unter" at the UN headquarters parking lot here while coming out of two separate meetings. Both ministers yesterday greeted each other warmly and made inquiries about their stay in New
York so far, Indian envoy to the UN Hardeep Singh Puri said.
Krishna then asked Qureshi about the flood situation in Pakistan and how the relief efforts were coming along. Qureshi, in turn, spoke about the steps his government was taking and also thanked India for its aid of $ 20 million routed through the UN.
"It was a chance encounter and I woundn't want to read too much into it. Our Minister was waiting for his vehicle when Foreign Minister Qureshi arrived. He saw External Affairs Minister from a distance, came upto him, and greeted him very warmly," Puri said.
Krishna was coming out of the UN headquarters after a meeting with British Secretary of State William Hague, he said, and Qureshi appeared to have come out of the General Assembly Hall.
Krishna and Qureshi are here to attend the opening week of the General Assembly. Krishna is here till the 29th and Qureshi is here till the 30th. The possibilities of a meeting between the two leaders are still being explored through diplomatic channels though "there is no decision as yet."

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 25 Sep 2010 05:49

r_subramanian wrote:...
Congressional elections will be over by the time Mr.Obama visits India. So, he can go all out to appease Pakistan without damaging his party. I expect him to drop in on Islamabad on his way to Afghanistan and announce a pardon for Dr.A.

Small problem with this is that the election results may not be what he expects and hence he will tread carefully with pardons etc. BTW is it not normal for someone feasting on Indian food for a couple of days to stop and visit Pakistan. We don't want him to stink up Afghanistan.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 25 Sep 2010 06:00

Yes, after all the Indian food, Ombaba will need to empty himself of his Pakistaniyat. Might as well do that in Pakistan.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 25 Sep 2010 06:42

Him NOT visiting Pakistan - Kabhi nahi.This will be like a Haj trip for his foreign policy ==

Anyway..some interesting tidbits from past:

Obama's College Trip to Pakistan - April 08, 2008

"Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain," Obama said, according to the Huffington Post.

So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa --knowing the leaders is not important -- what I know is the people...I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college -- I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee."

Apparently, according to the Obama campaign, In 1981 -- the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University -- Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. After that visit, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there. The Obama campaign says Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, staying with his friend's family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 25 Sep 2010 06:49

Is the military cheating Orakzais? —Farhat Taj

who in Pakistan has the power to grill the military generals over their constant failure to kill or arrest the Taliban commanders from FATA? Who has the audacity to make the generals provide some reliable security mechanism for the returning IDPs in their native areas?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Sep 2010 06:51

satya anveshi garu, you know so many illustrious ones visit Hyd Deccan from karachi. So we had one more celebrity

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 25 Sep 2010 06:57

Has he indicated in public domain what his impressions were ?....after all those probably were his first impressions.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 25 Sep 2010 07:02

A pakistani zamindar talks straight. i think one need to admire his chutzpa?

1. Eliminate the zamindar, by all means, but not unless you have a clean and dedicated civil service to replace him.

This so far has been a utopian concept, and is more so now than ever before.
2.Let us now look at how the sumptuous meals arrive on the plates of the city slickers who complain the most, and what role the zamindar plays in feeding them. The land is there, but it has to be cultivated. First comes levelling and development, which is entirely at the cost of the zamindar. Then comes ploughing, which is no longer done with bullocks or a wooden plough, but a tractor has to be rented, for which the hari, more often than not, does not have the money. After this, seed, water, fertiliser and pesticides have to be made available on time. Then comes the harvest, for which labour or harvesters are necessary. And finally the crop has to reach the market.
None of this is possible without the zamindar, who provides funding without interest, money which is recoverable in accordance with the quality and quantity of the crop. The public institutions set up for this purpose are a curse no sane tiller of the soil is prepared to bring down upon himself. Furthermore, let us not forget that the zamindar pays all the taxes--i.e., land revenue, water rates, the masjid tax. He also bears all the cost, every year, of silt clearance in the watercourses on his lands. In the case of hazards, such as the current floods, all the financing done by the zamindar is written off.
3. With machines doing most of the work these days, the hari does not do more than about forty days' physical work in a year. The rest of the time he supplements his income by doing something else, or is too lazy and simply sits at the local tea shop.
4.It is through the influence, contacts and clout of the zamindar, who has to run about in severe heat and dust and often even pay bribes, that cultivation takes place at all.

5.And that is not all: the zamindar has to also solve the personal problems of the hari, such as murders, kidnappings, thefts, breakdown of marriages, elopement of women, disputes between relatives over exchange of women in marriage and fights with neighbours. The hari dare not go to the authorities for solutions and protection under the law, for he will be fleeced and simply live to regret it. The zamindar's door, which always has to remain open, is a one-window operation for him and results have to be produced quickly to the full satisfaction of the hari while he sits at home.

6.The writer is chairman of the Sindh National Front.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/25-09-2010/opinion/6549.htm
5.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 25 Sep 2010 07:10

Muppalla wrote:satya anveshi garu, you know so many illustrious ones visit Hyd Deccan from karachi. So we had one more celebrity

That is the dot worth connecting.

saket · Post by **saket** » 25 Sep 2010 08:27

Zaid Hamid makes a fool of himself on live TV! In this program on Aafia Siddiquis sentencing hosted by Meher Bokhari (who was not too long ago photographed giving a lap dance to a black guy in the US embassy), ZH begins his usual rant on Hindus interrogating Aafia S. in Afghanistan, trying to steal her highly classified research on bio-weapons (LOL!) etc; and is immediately castigated by Aafia's sister who clarifies that she was an educationist and her research was on improving learning in mentally retarded children. ZH later blames his rant on info from Mushahid Hussain and is again slapped on this by the other speaker. Clearly exposed how ZH added his mental masturbation on Hindus, bio-weapons etc to "spice things up". Must watch.

Watch from 28.30 : http://pkpolitics.com/2010/09/24/news-b ... mber-2010/

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Sep 2010 09:05

menon s wrote:A pakistani zamindar talks straight. i think one need to admire his chutzpa?

http://www.thenews.com.pk/25-09-2010/opinion/6549.htm

A good, archivable viewpoint.

Although he denies being feudal, the real "feudalism" in this guy's viewpoint apears n this sentence

Of course, in a normal season, the zamindar gets half the product of the land, even though the days of the hari slaving away in the fields are long gone. With machines doing most of the work these days, the hari does not do more than about forty days' physical work in a year. The rest of the time he supplements his income by doing something else, or is too lazy and simply sits at the local tea shop.

So a landless man in Pakistan. living on a zamindar's property is not expected to be able to survive fro 365 days a year on the grounds that he has only 40 days hard labor. If there is no work to do - is it a crime to while away time in a local tea-shop?

This is the problem with Pakis. they just don;t give a damn about Mango Abduls while the claim to weep fo mango man of India.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 25 Sep 2010 09:07

After Pakistani Journalist Speaks Out About an Attack, Eyes Turn to the Military

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/25/world ... heema.html

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Sep 2010 09:08

saket wrote:Zaid Hamid makes a fool of himself on live TV! In this program on Aafia Siddiquis sentencing hosted by Meher Bokhari (who was not too long ago photographed giving a lap dance to a black guy in the US embassy), ZH begins his usual rant on Hindus interrogating Aafia S. in Afghanistan, trying to steal her highly classified research on bio-weapons (LOL!) etc; and is immediately castigated by Aafia's sister who clarifies that she was an educationist and her research was on improving learning in mentally retarded children. ZH later blames his rant on info from Mushahid Hussain and is again slapped on this by the other speaker. Clearly exposed how ZH added his mental masturbation on Hindus, bio-weapons etc to "spice things up". Must watch.

Watch from 28.30 : http://pkpolitics.com/2010/09/24/news-b ... mber-2010/

Just putting this note to appreciate and say thank you to your act of taking the trouble to describe what one can expect to see and the time. I am not going to bother to watch of course - but am sincerely grateful for not having been forced to watch it as I might have tried if someone merely posts a link

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Sep 2010 09:37

I find something fishy about Dr Motorma Aafiya PhD DOP (daughter of Pakistan) {I like the way in which every Paki respectfully addresses her "DOCTOR Aafiya". The morons dont know it that it is either "Doctor Lastname" or just "Firstname"}

She, her sister, her kids and all her goats are US citizens. There have been several Paki-US citizens who found their inner pakistaniyat and are rotting in US jails. Examples include Faisal Shahzad, the big bearded chicago cab driver guy and others. There have been several "sons of Pakistans" goatnapped by US from Pak soil. People include KSM and boatloads of others.

Then why the sudden takleef about Dr Motorma Aafiya PhD DOP?

Either she knows something and will spill the beans. Or Jernails picked her up and hyped her case and gave her to US in exchange for money (Mushy himself says in his book that Paki army was paid a lot of money by CIA for bounty hunting) and it later turned out to be some random mentally unstable idiot.

Shankk · Post by **Shankk** » 25 Sep 2010 09:50

JwalaMukhi wrote:That's an erroneous step. Absolutely incorrect to do any such thing. Of course, it would bring India one more step closer to being "Shariah compliant", which seems to be the fashion these days around the world.
Well, just because certain sections of Indian population happen to follow islam, that does not automatically translate to using their rule book interpretations to conduct diplomacy. Sorry absolutely incorrect in every which way.

It is really interesting you say that bolded part when in fact Sharia in my opinion does not recommend acting in any way that would put muslims anywhere in an uncomfortable situation. Indian muslims countering Pakistan's arguments of muslims of subcontinent does not make India sharia compliant. From your statement you seem to think that India is already being Sharia compliant to some extent then why not at least take some benifit of it?

This is not even a favor by anybody on anybody. Who are we to deny muslims if they want to use Islam to help India. All we need to do is ask. If IMs refuse it is a different story but it is utterly strange that you do not even want to give them a chance to help India this way and India getting benifits of being sharia compliant.

Should it always be a one way street?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 25 Sep 2010 11:51

The real injustice in Pakistan isn't the conviction of Aafia Siddiqui

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... a_siddiqui

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 25 Sep 2010 11:53

The perils of reporting in Pakistan

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... n_pakistan

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 25 Sep 2010 12:01

abhishek_sharma wrote:The real injustice in Pakistan isn't the conviction of Aafia Siddiqui

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... a_siddiqui

That burning american flag looks home made. Did they run out of american flags so soon?

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 25 Sep 2010 13:21

Shankk wrote:Why does Indian official not say "Creation of Pakistan is caused by wrong interpretation of Islam."?

There was no need for partition as it was based on incorrect interpretations of Islam. Having questioned the very basis of Pakistan also gives us room to handle Kashmir issue in the realms of diplomacy.

Indian muslims countering Pakistan's arguments of muslims of subcontinent does not make India sharia compliant.

IMO, undoing partition is not in India's interest. It is quite conceivable that a few years down the road, the pakis secretly wish they were part of India. In such a situation IMs, psecular parties and some in Pak might raise the pitch for undoing the partition saying that it was a mistake. It was a wrong thing to do then, but, it would be a much bigger mistake now to undo it or encourage any thoughts in that direction -- at least until Islam reforms itself in a major way, globally.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 25 Sep 2010 15:42

Toront-Karachi PIA plane make an unscheduled landing at Stockholm - terror threat
Not many details in the report though.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 25 Sep 2010 16:43

A_Gupta wrote:Looking in my firefox history, this is the user that posted the swat video on youtube:
Name jessihatimlana

http://www.youtube.com/user/jessihatimlana

Some of the comments this guy left on other youtube video's (Google Translation)

Video : Muslim preacher on Islam
Comment:
1.Hello I am a German before I became Muslim two weeks and would love to pray I've also bought books, I also have the Koran but I can not really performing for prayer because I can not really express who can help me
2.I once asked one thing I am German and am now become the last 2 weeks ihamdoullah Muslim and I am married to a Moroccan but it does not help me I really want to learn the prayer I've also bought books about it but I do not know how I give the words to express properly, can can find me, shall I ran to help me
Video:My path to Islam (brother Anis)
Comment:
I once a fage I am now also become Muslim before two weeks I am married with a Muslim but he does not help me I want to learn the prayer but he does not help me where I can report I ran to help me with the prayer and when I have to ask me which can beandworten

From the comments it seems she is a german converted to Islam. I am not sure if she is orignal source of this SWAT Murder Video. She might have got it from somewhere else. But keep in mind, this lady is a convert and might be very close to german pakistani people in her area.She might have got the video from them

Note: She left those comments a week ago

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 25 Sep 2010 18:10

kenop wrote:Toront-Karachi PIA plane make an unscheduled landing at Stockholm - terror threat
Not many details in the report though.

They are questioning a Paki but they haven't found any explosives on him.Sounds like a prank call to me.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 25 Sep 2010 18:33

FIR lodged against Pak Punjab minister for torturing wife http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20100925/8 ... ist_1.html

A First Information Report (FIR) has been registered against Punjab Livestock and Dairy Development Minister- Syed Haroon Ahmad Sultan- for torturing his wife, according to police and family sources.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 25 Sep 2010 18:59

Pakistan Danish embassy bombing suspects acquitted

A Pakistani court acquitted on Saturday three men accused of involvement in a 2008 suicide car-bomb attack on the Danish embassy in Islamabad, a public prosecutor said.

The court acquitted the trio on the basis of "insufficient" evidence against them, the prosecutor, Mohammad Tayyab, said.

"We produced 32 witnesses before the court. Two of those saw (the trio) them on the spot signalling attackers to go ahead and later identified them in a police station," said Tayyab.

"But still the judge found insufficient evidence."

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 25 Sep 2010 19:38

Defence Minister considers corruption as a 'right'

QUETTA: The Minister of State for Defence, Abdul Qayyum Jatoi, has said that corruption is the right of every individual, SAMAA reported Saturday.

"There should be equality in corruption. All should be given their due share."

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 25 Sep 2010 19:40

$133m cash to Pakistan missing: Lugar

WASHINGTON: The author of the Kerry-Lugar Bill, Republican Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana has made a startling disclosure that about $133 million given as “cash aid” to Pakistan had not reached the displaced persons (of Swat and Malakand) as intended.

The Senator revealed this at a Senate Committee confirmation hearing for the new US Ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter on Thursday at the Senate office building. Munter was questioned in detail about accountability of the US aid to Pakistan. He was later confirmed as ambassador.

Senator Lugar, raising the issue seriously at the hearing, referred to the US Inspector General’s report for 2009 programme which said $44 million in cash transfer funds had not reached the IDPs. Likewise, Lugar revealed that staff visits earlier this month found similar concerns exist for $89 million cash transfer programme initiated earlier this year

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Sep 2010 21:10

Can someone translate the Urdu caption?

arun · Post by **arun** » 25 Sep 2010 21:28

I find the frequency with which Muslims desecrate Muslim symbols in a country self proclaimed to have been created for the Muslims of the Indian Sub Continent, simply shocking and very Pakistani:

Gunmen shoot dead two at Pakistan mosque: police

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Sep 2010 21:28

Holy #@$%, where is that gem of a pic of Kiya-Nahi and his Amriki boss from?

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 25 Sep 2010 21:53

Yet another drone attack, 4 dead this time

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Sep 2010 21:54

Certain deep philosophical questions about the picture, OT for this dhaaga but completely in the domain of BENIS have already been asked