J & K news and discussion

dada · Post by **dada** » 28 Sep 2010 12:22

Sorry for my post.I will surely take care in future.
We Indians have learned the hard way the significance of keeping "religion" & "politics/state affairs" separate. But Kashmiri Muslims are yet to internalise this fact. Many of them subscribe to a opposite viewpoint. I always thought that younger generations of kashmiris may develop a different thought process due to telecommunication revolution,internet etc But the recent developments & the way the utube,facebook,tv channels were "used" suggest otherwise. With a firmly established monoculture in the Valley, the younger generations of kashmiris have practically no exposure to a different view on a face-2-face basis. Many are even afraid to voice their real views.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 28 Sep 2010 12:40

^ Welcome to BRF dada.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 28 Sep 2010 13:24

water cannon - highly required, especially as the temperature is dropping. very simply, just use fire engine hoses and soak everyone

there is also work being done with ultrasound for crowd control - makes people nauseous and feel unwell

and then there is always bhoot jolokia

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 28 Sep 2010 15:22

Lalmohan wrote:water cannon - highly required, especially as the temperature is dropping. very simply, just use fire engine hoses and soak everyone

there is also work being done with ultrasound for crowd control - makes people nauseous and feel unwell

and then there is always bhoot jolokia

Where are those chilli grenades?

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 28 Sep 2010 18:23

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11425831

It would be very interesting to see what comes out of this... certain processes in the background seem to have been set in motion...

The Kashmiri separatist Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) has criticised Pakistani militants for "hijacking" its cause.

The JKLF - which wants Kashmir to be independent of Pakistan and India - said that they were "subverting the indigenous movement".

Its strongest criticism was for the Jamaat-ud Dawa (JD) charity.

Experts say that the JKLF's latest criticism of Pakistani-based militant groups is more strident than usual.

The JKLF started the insurgency in Indian-administered Kashmir in the late 1980s. Its leaders have since admitted they were then supported by the Pakistani government which trained their militant wing.

But the JKLF says that the Pakistanis changed their mind and introduced pro-Pakistan groups, such as Jamaat-e-Islami's affiliate, Hizbul Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Harkatul Mujahideen and other groups.

It says these groups not only fought Indians but also persecuted JKLF activists.

A JD spokesman, Yahya Mujahid, told the BBC on Monday that about 3,500 people have joined a JD caravan that will travel from Mirpur to Muzaffarabad in Pakistan-administered Kashmir and then hold a rally in Islamabad on Wednesday.

Witnesses and officials say local Kashmiri participants in the march are few - most are non-locals from different areas of Pakistan.

The JKLF has often accused pro-Pakistan groups of turning a legitimate nationalist struggle of the Kashmiri people into an Islamic terrorist movement, thereby undermining the movement's credibility.

A JKLF statement says that the JD campaign "will sabotage the Kashmiris' spontaneous movement once again, and provide propaganda material to the Indian government to defame and suppress the Kashmiri people's movement for national liberation".

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Sep 2010 18:31

Nihat wrote: On a different note, here's something beyond stupid which assumes that CRPF troopers will risk being killed for Rs. 2500.

Jawans to get cash rewards for restraint in J&K

Best example of systemic corruption

A nice idea from our MMS (Mr. unCLEAN) govt.

rohiths · Post by **rohiths** » 28 Sep 2010 18:35

It may sound cruel but using live bullets is the best way to deal with these people. It will put the fear of allah into them. There will be the general hue and cry from the usual quarters but after all the dust settles, it will be a strong signal that India means business.
When the police are using non-lethal weapons other people who are afraid might also join the mob and start more chaos. That is how mobs operate. There will be a select core who instigates the violence and other random people who just join in. A few people getting their 72s will ensure that the rowdy elements stay in their homes.
Like the militancy they will ultimately realize that protest is futile and they will either meet their 72 or return to their cave complex. We should not give them any other option.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 28 Sep 2010 18:37

^^^ water cannon for everyone, snipers for the hard core - or non-lethal specific targeting if possible

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Sep 2010 18:48

^ I would mix that chilli powder in that water for water-canons. Then augment it with snipers for hard-core types - pop a couple on knee caps...

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Sep 2010 19:22

dada wrote:Sorry for my post.I will surely take care in future.
We Indians have learned the hard way the significance of keeping "religion" & "politics/state affairs" separate. But Kashmiri Muslims are yet to internalise this fact. Many of them subscribe to a opposite viewpoint. I always thought that younger generations of kashmiris may develop a different thought process due to telecommunication revolution,internet etc But the recent developments & the way the utube,facebook,tv channels were "used" suggest otherwise. With a firmly established monoculture in the Valley, the younger generations of kashmiris have practically no exposure to a different view on a face-2-face basis. Many are even afraid to voice their real views.

Its not simply Kashimiris who might have different view point. But the reason for the views that few of them espouse is due to the fact that Islam is a political religion where concept of State and faith are intertwined. The Christianity , while enjoying patronage of Political power in early stages of its evolution , ultimately gave birth to the idea of Secularism i.e. separation of Church and State.Both of them , having challenged successfully the established orders of the day, found themselves face to face fighting each other for space and followings.

Now this nature of religion causes dilemma in the minds of Muslims when they are confronted with the idea of separation of state and religion and face it on day to day basis. At one level they realise that this may be good at another level they feel uncomfortable with it as if they are betraying their own religion.Witness their comfort level in western culture while at the same time they try to undermine it. Also witness that conditions are much better in India than in many countries but religious elites feel compelled to propel the masses to feel deficient because the ruling class , majority of them, do not belong to them. Though for the system as such religion may be immaterial at structural level. By and large masses of all religions have same basic issue of living and survival: bread and butter issues. Ruling and non ruling elites exploit these sentiments and link them to religion to further their own interest. That is where they get divided depending on their interest: three groupings that I mentioned. But like elites in any system they are only minuscule minority.

While in India we have invented a special brand of secularism.State professes to be separate from all religions but tries to actively court a few.Due to this many have caught secularitis which is a deadly mix of religion and politics and it suits some.This causes the diseased elites in India to pander to elites of ,say, Kashmiris. They would not allow them to be hurt , masses be damned. This fits nicely into the story of wards of separatists studying out side the state while exhorting the masses to boycott the school.

In this light, if we see your point then it becomes clear that while other religions have learnt to reconcile themselves with modern ideas and lifestyle and have attempted to reconcile themselves ( e.g. Galileo or Copernicus or Darwin or Freud etc) and use the new ideas to their advantages Islam is yet to reconcile with these new realities.

At another level, esp in India , it is yet to reconcile with the loss of pre-eminence and to treat themselves as equal with others.It is unfortunate as it has stifled creativity which was found in ample measure in its hay days.

So Kashmiris have to decide if they want to treat all men equal and benefit from the opportunities in the modern world or go down the drain like pakistanis.
Let us not be under any illision and Kashmir is going anywhere soon.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Sep 2010 19:25

pandyan wrote: Another note...this interview was far more matured and organized that some of the junk that shows up in CNN/Fox where the hosts constantly interrupt and stop the guest from answering the questions (kinda like bullying the guests).

Haven't watched much of aunty burqa on TV, have you?

That is exactly how this banshee behaves. Bullying, badgering and promoting motivated/slanted view points in the guise of "journalism".

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Sep 2010 19:30

James B wrote:
Ashley Kravitz wrote:NDTV: Burkha Mutt's interview with Arun Jaitley . Mr. Jaitley handled Burkha in an excellent manner.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... ley/165922
I think current GoI doesn't even have 10% clarity of what Arun Jaitley has. I hope GoI listens to his suggestions on J&K. Very well articulated.

I think that its not that there is no clarity, but confusion prevails. They were scripted to go along one path and are unnnerved when there is a twist in the path. And even folks like Burkha are unnerved hence the Jaitly interview. Normally she wouldn't let Jaitly come to the studio gates.

The chatteratti till now were singing the US tune thinking it wont go far and why not get some accolades along the way. What has unnerved the chatterati is even while they are following the Western script they are being villfied and their symbols of pride are being spat on.

Very low residual intellectual goodwill is remaining.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Sep 2010 20:18

ramana wrote:

I think that its not that there is no clarity, but confusion prevails. They were scripted to go along one path and are unnnerved when there is a twist in the path. And even folks like Burkha are unnerved hence the Jaitly interview. Normally she wouldn't let Jaitly come to the studio gates.

The chatteratti till now were singing the US tune thinking it wont go far and why not get some accolades along the way. What has unnerved the chatterati is even while they are following the Western script they are being villfied and their symbols of pride are being spat on.

Very low residual intellectual goodwill is remaining.

A lowbrow explanation is that some elections are looming on the horizon and pissing off vote banks would be counter productive.

Ayodhya, WKMs and the omar faqup plus other disturbances in some southern states is a cause of grief to the rajmata and her gang. yuvraj will not come good even this time.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Sep 2010 20:25

All explanations are welcome for the truth is between them.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2010 20:38

Bharak Dutt had the bloody gall to suggest that mobs mobs consiting of 1000s of louts hurling rocks at 50 odd policemen, looting, arson, burning of public bldgs etc was "peaceful protest", and police reacting to this violence is indicative of India loosing the "moral high ground". Also, why is it that this vegetarian terrorist scum bag Yasin Mallik elicits so much romanticism from the WKK, RNI, Bakara types. I've seen this time and again. He seems to be the darling of anybody who wants to take pots shots at the Indian govt. I think only once during a BBC ghard talk interview did the host take him to task for his terrorism in the 90's. The whole mindset of Bakara was visible; KMs inncoent victims, India baad.

munna · Post by **munna** » 28 Sep 2010 20:39

ramana wrote:I think that its not that there is no clarity, but confusion prevails. They were scripted to go along one path and are unnnerved when there is a twist in the path. And even folks like Burkha are unnerved hence the Jaitly interview. Normally she wouldn't let Jaitly come to the studio gates.

Well the choice of Jaitley is intriguing! It is an open secret that owing to her mass base and loyalty of regional satraps, Mrs Swaraj commands far more weight within the set up. It was Mrs Swaraj who deflated the "let us meet the separatists" balloon by some over zealous folks in APD to J&K. Perhaps media has realized that there is more to India and running India than usual suspects and cliches. A grouping that commands 20% of LS and RS simultaneoulsy even at its lowest ebb is something that needs to be heard, holy cows nothwithstanding. The inability of government to function without the consent of opposition has made a lot of folks sit up and take notice. The increase in articles and references to certain party by angry analysts may be the result of this cognitive dissonance of going from "BJP who?" to "BJP that party of &&^#*#*"!!
Jaitley has more clout with Dilli Billi gang due to his DU days and profession. Hence the media may be testing the waters to balance their perspective by approaching him but nothing concrete can be said as of now.

The chatteratti till now were singing the US tune thinking it wont go far and why not get some accolades along the way. What has unnerved the chatterati is even while they are following the Western script they are being villfied and their symbols of pride are being spat on.

This one is more complex than it seems Ramanaji! I for one do no believe that people understand or have come to understand the costs and implications of selling out on their own territory even if under the name of "autonomy". Yes the script has turned topsy turvy because of vehement oppostion from heart of India and of course the evil cow worshippers. There is cognitive dissonance amongst faithfools at their Gods failing to defeat the pagan devils

. Whether this is reconciliation with truth or not remains to be seen!

Very low residual intellectual goodwill is remaining

Yes at least amongst those folks who believed that people in positions were may be mistaken but they were flexible good at heart people. It turned out they were doctrinaires too.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 28 Sep 2010 20:43

Fail to understand why Jaitley would demean himself by agreeing to an interview by Barkha. Couldn't he have asked for a BJP interviewer if NDTV wanted to get his views?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2010 20:47

Pranay wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11425831

It would be very interesting to see what comes out of this... certain processes in the background seem to have been set in motion...

The Kashmiri separatist Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) has criticised Pakistani militants for "hijacking" its cause.

The JKLF - which wants Kashmir to be independent of Pakistan and India - said that they were "subverting the indigenous movement".

Its strongest criticism was for the Jamaat-ud Dawa (JD) charity.

Experts say that the JKLF's latest criticism of Pakistani-based militant groups is more strident than usual.

I would be a little of this wary of this and not conclude anything just yet. As I mentioned in my previous post, this vegetarian terrorist has a lot of sympathy in the west and among "human rights" groups. So it could very well be a ploy to get India talking to this guy, but the fact of the matter is that give or take a few cents, make no mistake about it, LET/JUD/JKLF/Hizbul etc are all different strains nurtured and mid-wifed by TSP ISI. He is supposed to be a "secular" separatist seeking independence from both India & TSP (yeah right, Kashmir's so called "independence" won't last 12 hours before TSPA tanks start rolling in), and so it could be a pressure tactic on India: see now that LET has been discredited even by Kashmiris themselves, its time for India to move from its stated position. Some sophistry like this could be in the works.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Sep 2010 20:47

CRS, The Indian elite is brought up on LSE dogma(Laski et al) of protest against the State. So they see Yasin Malik as an antithesis of their own sell out. So by supproting him they can live with their inner atma or soul.

Munna, Thanks for the elaboration of my thoughts. The thought to keep in mind is even the DDM chatterati do want Indian domination in the end. Only difference is the India they want, is not situated in India. So when something intereferes with the India of their mind the turn away.

ver_k the message gets wider coverage with burkha. It might even get the anti-saffornites watch it! Also might reduce Burkha's image among them.

munna · Post by **munna** » 28 Sep 2010 20:48

vera_k wrote:Fail to understand why Jaitley would demean himself by agreeing to an interview by Barkha. Couldn't he have asked for a BJP interviewer if NDTV wanted to get his views?

Jaitley has always been close to Dilli media. For those of you who may want to be shocked he is personal friends with son of a former cricketer and now a channel head

, Ms Dutt and other media personnel. He is the media face of the party and is the track-II peace channel between media houses and his party.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Sep 2010 20:50

CRamS wrote:Bharak Dutt had the bloody gall to suggest that mobs mobs consiting of 1000s of louts hurling rocks at 50 odd policemen, looting, arson, burning of public bldgs etc was "peaceful protest", and police reacting to this violence is indicative of India loosing the "moral high ground". Also, why is it that this vegetarian terrorist scum bag Yasin Mallik elicits so much romanticism from the WKK, RNI, Bakara types. I've seen this time and again. He seems to be the darling of anybody who wants to take pots shots at the Indian govt. I think only once during a BBC ghard talk interview did the host take him to task for his terrorism in the 90's. The whole mindset of Bakara was visible; KMs inncoent victims, India baad.

malik comes across as a druggie. His speech is generally slurred and a lot incoherent.

The stones hurled at the security forces are not any less lethal than bullets. More than 1700 security forces have been hurt and many grievously.

This is psy ops that its just stones versus bullets or good versus bad.

This yasin malik faqer is generally to be found, wife in tow, dining in the best 5* restaurants in dilli, wonder who pays and puts him up.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 28 Sep 2010 21:11

One note of discord I did sense between Jaitly and Vajpayee. Vajpayee came up this notion of "talks within Insaniyat" instead of "talks within Indian constitution". Even though Jaitly was endorsing this view, I don't think he was quite on board, he categorically said that separatist agenda is not on the table.

My personal view is that if the vegetarian terroist or anybody else in the valley comes to his sense, sees reality, and sends back channel feelers that they will settle for some compromise well within the confines of the Indian constition, but they need a face saver to get talks started, I would go with this Insaniyat formulation. But I don't sense that. All the terrorists in the valley, secure in the belief that TSP & west are on their side are going for the kill, nobody is showing any moderation. And the problem is also that anybody in the once separatist camp who shows a willingness to compromise will meet the fate of the late Abdul Ghani Lone or Masjid Dar. ISI gestapo is on the prowl in the valley looking for those who might "betray" their cause.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 28 Sep 2010 22:28

Jammu being the winter capital of state beginning from November for six months will probably take some air of this "agitation" . Is it constitutionally possible to make Jammu the permanent capital of state ? "Darbar move" costs 100s of crores worth of useless expenditure every 6 months. In addition no actual work gets done in Srinagar due to regular strikes and too many Islamic holidays (just take a look at the state calendar).

Gobarment can announce that as Jammu is the only place where employees can actually attend the office and where non-muslims as well as muslims feel safe, it is better location for state capital for whole year.

It's probably impossible practically, but such noises will cause enormous khujli to the worthies.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 28 Sep 2010 22:46

chetak wrote:malik comes across as a druggie. His speech is generally slurred and a lot incoherent.

He was the organizer of the attack on IAF personnel in Srinagar where some IAF personnel were killed while waiting for a IAF bus to take them to work (this attack brought Yasin Malik/JKLF into prominence). Subsequently he was arrested... and his present physical state is due to the tender hospitality he experienced in custody.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 28 Sep 2010 22:51

JKLF criticising L-e-T is nothing new. Groups dominated by Kashmiris like JKLF, Hizbul Mujahideen rarely see eye to eye with Paki majority groups like L-e-T. Even during the days when terrorism was at it's peak, there were many fights amongst these 2 factions with fatalities on both sides.

Yaseen Malik turned vegetarian because he simply can't eat non-veg stuff like buffalo meat, beef that the KMs mostly eat. He has some weak kidneys or liver(something like that) and such a diet will kill him within weeks. IIRC, he was undergoing treatment in 2007-08 outside J&K.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Sep 2010 22:56

Pranay wrote:
chetak wrote:malik comes across as a druggie. His speech is generally slurred and a lot incoherent.
He was the organizer of the attack on IAF personnel in Srinagar where some IAF personnel were killed while waiting for a IAF bus to take them to work (this attack brought Yasin Malik/JKLF into prominence). Subsequently he was arrested... and his present physical state is due to the tender hospitality he experienced in custody.

Well deserved, I am sure.

Ashley Kravitz · Post by **Ashley Kravitz** » 28 Sep 2010 23:44

chetak wrote: This yasin malik faqer is generally to be found, wife in tow, dining in the best 5* restaurants in dilli, wonder who pays and puts him up.

His wife is a TFTA RAPE from Slumabad. ISI mole? Or a trainee from Jalebi's PISS ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Sep 2010 23:49

Ashley Kravitz wrote: His wife is a TFTA RAPE from Slumabad. ISI mole? Or a trainee from Jalebi's PISS ?

Definitely ISI minder and resident baby sitter.

His earlier interrogation and incarceration must have damaged his dingly danglies also.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 29 Sep 2010 01:23

Obama's pitch: Fix Kashmir for UN Security Council seat

WASHINGTON: Go for a Kashmir solution and help bring stability to the region, in return for a ticket to UN Security Council membership and fulfilling your big power aspirations. That's the broad message President Barack Obama will be bringing to New Delhi during his November visit to India, preparation for which is in full swing in Washington DC.

The Kashmir settlement-for-seat at high table idea (euphemism for UNSC membership) is being discussed animatedly at the highest levels of the US administration, according to sources. President Obama himself has decided to revive the process of a US push in this direction, albeit discreetly.

Implicit in the rumination is the idea that settling Kashmir would mollify Pakistan, where, US officials say, hardliners are using the unresolved issue as an excuse to breed an army of terrorists aimed at bleeding India.

The Line of Control would become the international border, but it would be a soft, permeable border, allowing Kashmiris on both sides to move back and forth.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Sep 2010 02:04

^^^
I think Pakistan wants J&K less and more that India not be in the Security Council permanently. So Obama's proposal will make Pakistani hardliners veto any J&K solution, so that the UNSC remains India-free.

From the above, Bruce Reidel: ""India cannot become a global power with a prosperous economy if its neighbor is a constant source of terror armed with the bomb. A sick Pakistan is not a good neighbor."

A sick Pakistan is not a good neighbor - agreed. But the first statement, I disagree. There is no law of nature or logical requirement that a global power with a prosperous economy cannot have a sh*thole as a neighbor.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 29 Sep 2010 02:31

A_Gupta wrote:^^^
A sick Pakistan is not a good neighbor - agreed. But the first statement, I disagree. There is no law of nature or logical requirement that a global power with a prosperous economy cannot have a sh*thole as a neighbor.

True, but if the sh*thole neighbor exports its sickness, then its a problem. Of course, the solution to this is not appeasement as many would want India to do.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Sep 2010 02:35

The insidous thing is US is saying India should reward the sick neighbor and cure him of the sickness while all it will do is increase the appetite and make him more sick.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 29 Sep 2010 04:07

^^^^Pretty much the same US policy being followed with Israel.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 29 Sep 2010 04:20

Oh they know India aint gonna accept this talk. Who is against India from joining the UNSC? Its the US. They are just making themselves look good and say "hey we tried but the indians didnt accept", just so that they can refuse us the seat. They offered us a seat on the UNSC without a veto.

We can voice our opinions regardless, we have the maaal.

Added later: We have the long arm to intervene anywhere else without retribution anyway. Look at Iran intervening in various locations around the world as well as the US when they intervened in Iraq without UN approval.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 29 Sep 2010 04:21

Carl_T wrote:^^^^Pretty much the same US policy being followed with Israel.

Not even close, give me a break. US thinks twice about even selling pistols to Palestinians, it supports Israel on every issue blindly & slavishly. US even wants to go to war with Iran to protect Israel, and the war on terror includes Hamas and Hezbollah whose primary targets are Israel and not US. Fianlly, I think the kind of concessions that Israel is asked to make are almost laughable, and even on those Israel is playing hardball.

Contrast that with India; Its equal equal with TSP all the way, TSP is armed to the teeth despite its support to LET and other assorted anti-India terrorists, and worse, India is pressured to give up its own territory.

I'd take a fracton of the support Isarel gets anyday over the current "strategic relationship" crap.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 29 Sep 2010 04:23

jamwal wrote:Yaseen Malik turned vegetarian because he simply can't eat non-veg stuff like buffalo meat, beef that the KMs mostly eat. He has some weak kidneys or liver(something like that) and such a diet will kill him within weeks. IIRC, he was undergoing treatment in 2007-08 outside J&K.

Oh, I see. So its not a conscious attempt to cultivate a mahatma gandhi of cashmere image, then, eh? How quaint.

Also, IIRC, the SAS geelani turd also regularly gets treatment (the high-end medical variety) on Yindian taxpayer cost for some other such chronic incurable problem? No wonder this guy ends up (inadvertently??) helping Dilli with his overzealous acts and words.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 29 Sep 2010 04:25

^^^Sri shivas regal was right all along. Unless TSP is gifted credible scalable ICBM capability (regardless of source), none of its 3.5 frenz have any reason to reconsider their life-support to it.

In fact nce paki mijjiles can hit any continent, unkil will give TSP as much love and support as poor eyeran gets these days.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 29 Sep 2010 04:37

CRamS wrote:
Not even close, give me a break. US thinks twice about even selling pistols to Palestinians, it supports Israel on every issue blindly & slavishly. US even wants to go to war with Iran to protect Israel, and the war on terror includes Hamas and Hezbollah whose primary targets are Israel and not US. Fianlly, I think the kind of concessions that Israel is asked to make are almost laughable, and even on those Israel is playing hardball.
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I'd take a fracton of the support Isarel gets anyday over the current "strategic relationship" crap.

I wasn't making a remark on the broader US-Israeli relationship, which certainly isn't comparable at all, but specifically the current policy on settlements and creating a Palestinian state in WB with US trained security forces. I'm sure the US would be very happy if Israel hands over the WB to the PA in exchange for short term US gain, much like what they expect from India over Kashmir.

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In any case since you mentioned it. Now 20% of Israel's military budget is a US donation. However think of what Israel gives up in return for US support. Israel isn't an independent and rather a state propped up by the West to be "their guys" in the middle east. Some like to claim that China is the US munna but the munnas are nations like Israel, Taiwan and SoKo. Surely I don't think you'd want that with India.

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shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 29 Sep 2010 05:11

^^ Lol, and who runs the PA security unit? Who looks after the PA security? The israeli's do behind the scenes. And fyi most of the West bank is under control of the PA. Just not the borders of WB and Jordan. PA collaborates on most of the Israeli anti terror operations and gave up its own lives during Gaza operations.

sum · Post by **sum** » 29 Sep 2010 09:35

Ashley Kravitz wrote:NDTV: Burkha Mutt's interview with Arun Jaitley . Mr. Jaitley handled Burkha in an excellent manner.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... ley/165922

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