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Kayani a liar, don''t trust him: former CIA official
PTI | 04:09 PM,Sep 28,2010
Lalit K Jha Washington, Sept 28 (PTI) Pakistan's powerful army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, long considered a close ally by America, is now thought by President Barack Obama's aides to be stonewalling Washington's call for decisive action against terrorists' safe havens in the country's turbulent tribal belt.Top Obama administration officials say that Kayani has refused to adhere to any of the four demands of the US conveyed to him during a trip made by top aides in May this year just after a failed bomb plot at Times Square in New York by Pakistani-American Faisal Shahzad.The apparent American misgivings on Kayani, considered to be the power centre in Pakistan, has grown so much that Bruce Riedel, a top former CIA official and one of the architects of America's Af-Pak policy told Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of US Staff Admiral Mike Mullen recently not to trust him (Kayani) as he is a "liar".However, Mullen went ahead to build a person-to-person relationship and had faith in the commitment shown by the Pakistan army chief, said a new book 'Obama's war' by Bob Woodward, noted investigative journalist.At a White House meeting on March 11, attended by National Security Advisor Gen (rtd.) James Jones, Defence Secretary Robert Gates and Mullen, Riedel urged Mullen not to trust Kayani as he was a liar."I have known every head of ISI since the mid-1980s," Riedel is quoted as saying."Kayani is either not in control of his organisation or he is not telling the truth. The US should see the obvious and connect the dots. The Pakistanis are lying," he said.Addressing Mullen, he said, "you have met Kayani some dozen times, you know him better than anyone else. My impression is that he falls into the second category � liar," the book says.Woodward, who was given access to some of the classified documents as part of writing his book, wrote that Mullen did not disagree.The book also draws on crucial visits undertaken by CIA chief Leon Panetta and Jones to Islamabad to convey Obama's warning that US would have no other option but to respond if Pakistan did not take decisive action against terrorists and their safe havens.The book says that after meeting Zardari, Panetta and Jones met Kayani to tell the Pakistani army chief that the clock was now starting on all the four requests made by Obama.But Kayani would not budge very much. He had other concerns. "I'll be the first to admit, I'm India centric," he said, according to the book. .
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'U.S. will respond to any Pak-linked attack’
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According to a book titled 'Obama's War', the U.S. President has sent National Security Adviser James Jones and CIA chief Leon Panetta to express his concerns to Islamabad, the book entitled ‘Obama’s War’ said

Frustrated over Pakistan’s lacklustre response to failed Times Square bombing, the United States has warned Islamabad that it will be “unable to stop the consequences” of any terror attack, whose wires are linked to that country, a new book has said.

President Barack Obama has sent National Security Adviser James Jones and CIA chief Leon Panetta to express his concerns to Islamabad, the book entitled ‘Obama’s War’ said.

Mr. Obama, via his officials, also slammed Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari for not adequately interrogating LeT commander Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi in 26/11 Mumbai attacks case and said “he continues to direct LeT operations from his detention centre.”

But the U.S officials returned with nothing after powerful Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani refused to adhere to any of the four demands made by them. Kiyani had other concerns —— India, the book says.

“The President wants everyone in Pakistan to understand if such an attack connected to a Pakistani group is successful there are some things even he would not be able to stop. Just there are political realities in Pakistan, there are realities in the U.S.”, an investigative U.S. journalist Bob Woodward noted the officials’ message to Mr. Zardari in the book.

“No one will be able to stop the response and consequences. There is not a threat, just a statement of political fact.”

According to U.S. intelligence, LeT is threatening attacks in the U.S. and the possibility of such an act is rising each day, Mr. Jones was quoted as saying in the book.

After meeting Mr. Zardari, U.S. officials met Gen. Kayani and Jones told the Army Chief that it is time to act on the requests all the four requests made by Mr. Obama but he “would not budge very much“.

Gen. Kayani said, “I’ll be the first to admit, I’m India centric“.

Mr. Woodward wrote that Mr. Jones and Mr. Panetta left feeling they had made only baby steps. “How can you fight a war and safe havens across the border?” Mr. Panetta asked in frustration.

The latest intelligence showed trucks crossing the border that were full of Taliban combatants with all kinds of weapons packed in the back. They were being waved through into Afghanistan to kill Americans at checkpoints controlled by the Pakistanis.

“It’s a crazy kind of war,” Mr. Panetta said.

According to the award winning author, Pakistan has repeatedly refused to accept US request to share names of all airline passengers travelling to or from Pakistan on the grounds that such a disclosure would violate their sovereignty.

“They also suspected it would give the US insight into where their intelligence officers were going. Most ISI agents were flying east to India or Bangladesh, so the US had proposed just getting data on flights heading west to the Persian Gulf, Europe and the United States. :mrgreen:

“But the Pakistanis has stubbornly resisted
,” Mr. Woodward wrote.

In the event of a terrorist attack, U.S. officials were worried that it would be hard for Mr. Obama to defend Pakistan because their leaders had refused to do what had been easy, especially on the visas and passengers lists, he wrote further.
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Al-Qaeda chief in Pakistan killed in drone attack

ISLAMABAD, Sept. 28 (Xinhua) -- The al-Qaeda chief in Pakistan, Sheikh Al-Fatah, was killed in a drone attack two days ago in northwest Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal area, official sources said Tuesday.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/w ... 534319.htm
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Please shower a bit of your love here

http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... atic-path/

Paki uwacha
The pictures that have emerged from the Athletes Village at the Commonwealth Games in Delhi have conclusively rubbished the India shining myth. This would not come as a surprise to those Pakistanis who have visited India or have interacted with Indians visiting Pakistan. Most Indians visiting Pakistan comment on how much more developed Pakistan is, how clean Pakistan’s cities are, how much better Pakistani roads are than India’s and how they find fewer beggars on Pakistani roads than on Indian roads. It will, however, certainly shock those who have been brought to believe that India is the land of milk and honey.

The truth is that while India’s humiliation has cheered us up, that country is increasingly placed in an entirely different category and is generally seen as a success story. Pakistan is – despite what we might say or like to believe – seen as a basket case and a country that is likely to disintegrate. Most Pakistanis deep down also believe this and for very good reasons. Therefore, we must ask ourselves what it is that we are doing wrong and what India is doing right.

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A WSJ reporter came on the local radio station and said that TSP allows the drone attacsk so long as once in a while TTP guys also get Hellfired. Its only whne the US goes solo to get the good Taliban then there are protests.

Any way the pot is boiling. What US has to say to TSP is any attack anywhere agaist any body will result in a US response. The Godfather threat. Right now TSPA is out of control.

Rangudu, Wasn't Kiyani the ISI chief when Daoud Gilani aka David Headley 'infiltrated' the TSP terrorist groups? And wasn't he liasoning with ISI? Albiet 'retired' folks per Pasha!
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nachiket wrote: Americans will only kill the terrorists in NWFP - Afghanistan border areas. Those are the only ones they are interested in. They won't touch the ones in POK since they are only our problem as far as the americans are concerned.
When the unkil starts raining death we just have to pretend (well our regime does not take much pretending it comes naturally to them) to be so innocent SDREs that dont do any harm...and issue some strong condemnation...then the POK terrorists will go fight the infidels in the western borders...not a far fetched scene if we play cards ok..
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Meanwhile Nightwatch comments
9/27/2010
Pakistan: Security. Pakistani intelligence has warned about the threat of attacks against high profile military officials. At a meeting supposedly held in Afghanistan, Pakistani Taliban leaders decided to assassinate the Chief of Army Staff, General Kayani, and the Pakistan Army's corps commanders. :mrgreen:

Comment: This report should not be taken at face value because it is not at all clear the Pakistani Taliban have the capability or desire to pose a serious threat to the most protected military officers in Pakistan and face the consequences of trying to assassinate them. Such a directive would amount to a death wish for the Pakistani Taliban. Either the threat is wishful thinking, a canard, or something more sinister. :rotfl:

The something more sinister is a disinformation campaign to build pressure for a military takeover of government in the interest of national security. A strong popular impulse now supports another Army takeover. The elected government has been inefficient and slow in responding to and managing national problems, especially the floods.

The flood victims and their families are impatient for help. The Army is the one government institution that has responded well… with lots of unacknowledged US assistance. Political groups that favor a return to military rule are capable of crafting disinformation that promotes an Army takeover.

Politics. The government of Prime Minister Gilani decided to dismiss the National Reconciliation Order (NRO) ministers and other high officials, The Nation reported on 27 September. Prime Minister Gilani reportedly engaged in serious deliberations about relieving NRO ministers and apparently convinced the government to move forward, unidentified sources said, adding that Gilani will form a new Cabinet.

Comment: NRO ministers are members of the cabinet held over from the Musharraf era. His NRO suspended their sentences for a wide range of corruption charges that would otherwise have disqualified them from public service. Gilani kept some of them in his government and in public service. Last December the Supreme Court found the NRO to be unconstitutional and reinstated the sentences Musharraf tried to waive, but failed to pardon.

The Court has moved slowly to require execution of its mandate, but is out of patience. Nevertheless, the latest push for action appears intended to force the elected government to acknowledge the Court as an equal branch of government, rather than to create a crisis that could lead to a military takeover.

The Chief Justice wants the rule of law institutionalized as a counterweight to military usurpation of the Constitution. In his view, there are now no institutional impediments to another military coup in that the elected government survives at military sufferance. The Chief Justice intends to establish those blocks which will make military intervention a constitutional crime that can never be excused, as was done by Musharraf's tampering with the Court.

Late update. The Supreme Court accepted a government request to suspend the hearing about the implementation of its order regarding the National Reconciliation Order (NRO) sentences.

The Court agreed to continue the case until 13 October. In return, President Zardari, Prime Minister Gilani and Chief of Army Staff General Kayani met and agreed to settle all issues resulting from the Court's order in accordance with the Constitution. Unidentified sources said the three officials agreed there would be no compromises on good governance.

Comment: This past weekend Musharraf announced his forthcoming return to Pakistan from London to establish a new political party. Musharraf continues to regard himself in messianic terms, as the savior of Pakistan. :mrgreen:

The action of the Court and the legislative and executive branches of government plus the Army ensures that any Musharraf interlopers and holdovers will be ejected from the government. Musharraf hand picked General Kayani, but Kayani has proven to be his own man, with the strong support of Prime Minister Gilani. :mrgreen:
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mayo wrote:Please shower a bit of your love here

http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... atic-path/

Paki uwacha
The pictures that have emerged from the Athletes Village at the Commonwealth Games in Delhi have conclusively rubbished the India shining myth. This would not come as a surprise to those Pakistanis who have visited India or have interacted with Indians visiting Pakistan. Most Indians visiting Pakistan comment on how much more developed Pakistan is, how clean Pakistan’s cities are, how much better Pakistani roads are than India’s and how they find fewer beggars on Pakistani roads than on Indian roads. It will, however, certainly shock those who have been brought to believe that India is the land of milk and honey.

The truth is that while India’s humiliation has cheered us up, that country is increasingly placed in an entirely different category and is generally seen as a success story. Pakistan is – despite what we might say or like to believe – seen as a basket case and a country that is likely to disintegrate. Most Pakistanis deep down also believe this and for very good reasons. Therefore, we must ask ourselves what it is that we are doing wrong and what India is doing right.

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Chillax... pakis have long been repeating how they have less poor people, less number of beggars (jeez, you have 1/7th the population! lol), how their roads are better, their mards are taller, fairer, blah blah... it is all to make themselves feel better about their nation that is spiraling down the gutter. The divergent paths the two countries have taken are obvious to anyone who cares to see (including investors and the IMF, lol). Indians need to keep the humility and know their nation's weaknesses and yet remember that Bharat has come out of more testing times and is stronger than it ever was since independence. The troubles of a developing nation remain, but you look around the rest of Asia, South America, Africa, Europe... you will find largely the same problems in many developing nations. It is good to be grounded, and not get carried away with any "shining" propaganda. Yet the realization that we have handled the economic depression better than most and are still going forward in speed, must bring confidence.
Don't worry much about wasting time arguing with pakis (in my humble opinion). The same time can be well spent reading about other issues and better still, joining the LMU faculty. :lol:
Now before we derail this thread, lets all go to our goats..
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shiv wrote:A squeeze is certainly being put on the Pakistani military.

Last week someone from the US said India would retaliate of a 26/11 was repeated.

This week another guy says if 9/11 gets repeated Pakistan gets attacked.

Interesting times...

Worry not, all squeezes on TSP are temporary in nature. Once some basic demands are met, the sqeeze vanishes like the widows of slain mujahids.
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perhaps a big announcement on GWOT before November US elections was the plan...?
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You mean October surprise that AL Q is out of Af-Pak hence the plan is working?
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Ramana

According to some people I interact with, there has been a massive uptick in chatter out of TSP regarding attacks in Unkilstan, UK and/or France and Germany. Of course these people care a bit less about the long running expectation of 26/11 repeat at the CWG in India, but that threat is also there. That is partly why we have seen Drone-acharya showering more blessings of late.

As to your other question, Headley/Gilani was active in N.Waziristan around the same time as the first Kabul embassy attack, which was orchestrated with direct input from then DG ISI Nadeem Taj. Kayani had moved over to TSPA chief by then. If you read the first indictment, Headley/Gilani is quoted in his emails as seeing lots of foreign mujahideen in Miranshah, which is Haqqani land and ergo ISI area.
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^^ How recently? MI5 chief last week said TSP based terror plans on the UK was 75% of all plots for the UK last year, this year down to 50%. AQ moving to Yemen Somalia Caucusus Sahara, uptick in AQ activity in these locations especially Yemen.
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Shyamd, The WSJ reporter on the radio show today said the same thing about expectations of attacks in Europe and hence the drone flights. On being asked doesn't the TSP protest? The reply was so long as the TTP is also subjected to some showers no protests.
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Why Pakteahouse is given so much importance? who does it represent? does it have any influence on paki politics?

Please excuse my dumb question. :oops:
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Venkarl wrote:Why Pakteahouse is given so much importance? who does it represent? does it have any influence on paki politics?
Well those guys call themselves Pakistani Liberals, so whereas most of them show interest in reform of Pakistani society and state, and try to do some introspection, as far as India is concerned they parrot a single line, that they like peace, but have absolutely no ideas what they can do to promote it. They love parroting the slogans of American and British Liberal crap and are in utter awe of the producers of such crap. Otherwise they are all Muslim Chauvinists with their Taqiyya hat on, and are past masters in using the torn-shirt, open fly argument. They live off equal-equal with India and to assist them in this endeavor they have a battery of Dhimmis, mostly from West Bengal.
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ramana wrote:Shyamd, The WSJ reporter on the radio show today said the same thing about expectations of attacks in Europe and hence the drone flights. On being asked doesn't the TSP protest? The reply was so long as the TTP is also subjected to some showers no protests.
Interesting....
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Since Da Wood is one of the money sponsors of eyeYesEye, is it possible that that Dronacharya would rain on his abode by any chance? Would these guys go that far?
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If thats what makes them happy, and if thats a concession they want, I will gladly and wholeheartedly give that to TSP, namely, India is not shining. But as a quid pro quo, TSP must dismantle LET, hand over those in the list of 20, stop meddling in Kashmir, and leave India alone and let it continue not to shine :-). How about that?
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RajeshA wrote:
Venkarl wrote:Why Pakteahouse is given so much importance? who does it represent? does it have any influence on paki politics?
ap. Otherwise they are all Muslim Chauvinists with their Taqiyya hat on, and are past masters in using the torn-shirt, open fly argument. They live off equal-equal with India and to assist them in this endeavor they have a battery of Dhimmis, mostly from West Bengal.
IMHO, this is their way of extricating themselves from the rope of ROPE as they realize the suffocation and eventual slow approaching dark oblivion in this age of science , reason and technology: All three absent from their civilizational view and existence. Regarding Yellow ,Red ,Green MOPTHAPO brigade there , less said is better. Mental, Spiritual, Cultural and Economically Broke Poakroach approach to hang on the Indian cloak while taking pride in Arabian stock must be blocked by well meaning, true Indians. The existence of Poakroachness is not acceptable to us within our territorial boundaries. Their natural nestting grounds are farther WEST.
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From The News (small article hence posting in full): Lt. Gen. Khalid Shamim appointed as CJCSC
Updated at: 2310 PST, Tuesday, September 28, 2010
ISLAMABAD: President of Pakistan on the advice of the prime minister has promoted Lieutenant General Khalid Shamim Wayne to the post of General and appointed him as Chairman Joint Chief of Staff Committee (CJCSC).

Lt. Gen. Khalid Shamim is currently working as Chief of General Staff. He would assume the post after the retirement of incumbent CJCSC General Tariq Majeed, who would be retiring early next month
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From The News (small article hence posting in full): Taliban making overtures for peace: Petraeus
Updated at: 1505 PST, Tuesday, September 28, 2010
KABUL: After almost nine years of insurgency, the Taliban are approaching the Afghan government and foreign forces about laying down arms, the commander of foreign troops in the country said Tuesday.

US General David Petraeus, who commands more than 150,000 NATO and US troops in Afghanistan, said many small insurgent groups had already made "overtures" to NATO forces about quitting the fight.
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^^^ Dont we have Indian Lt-Gens who command such number of troops?
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From The News (small article hence posting in full): Decision to wrap up Pepco arouses concern
Our correspondent - Islamabad
The Network for Consumer Protection has expressed deep concern over the government’s decision to wrap up the Pakistan Electric Power Company (Pepco) - an overseeing body of distribution companies (Discos). The organisation fears that this step would multiply the woes of electricity consumers, who are already burdened with inflated bills.
According to The Network, not only will electricity prices swell with the scraping of Pepco, but complaints of consumers will also remain unattended due to the absence of a supervisory body on Discos.
“The Network Consumer Protection also notes with concern that with the decision to wrap up Pepco, Discos have started dealing with their consumers highhandedly due to the absence of an overseeing body. According to media reports, power consumers of Lesco, Mepco and Fesco have complained that officials at Customer Care Centres do not resolve their grievances regarding inflated electricity bills. They have alleged that distribution companies are forcing them to pay electricity units, which they never consumed.
“After the scraping of Pepco, there will be different power tariffs for provinces. The Network believes that this strategy will result in a dramatic raise in bills for electricity consumers of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan, where power theft is widespread. This strategy will not only unfold greater suffering for power consumers in these provinces but will also encourage power theft,” states a press release issued by the organization.
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ramana wrote:^^^ Dont we have Indian Lt-Gens who command such number of troops?
Extremely OT for this thread but just to help clarify the matter.
From here: United States Army - Chain of Command (Organization)
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Brigade - 3,000 to 5,000 solders. A brigade headquarters commands the tactical operation of two to five organic or attached combat battalions. Normally commanded by a colonel with a command sergeant major as senior NCO, brigades are employed on independent or semi-independent operations. Armored cavalry, ranger and special forces units this size are categorized as regiments or groups.

Division - 10,000 to 15,000 soldiers. Usually consisting of three brigade-sized elements and commanded by a major general, divisions are numbered and assigned missions based on their structures. The division performs major tactical operations for the corps and can conduct sustained battles and engagements.

Corps - 20,000 to 45,000 soldiers. Two to five divisions constitute a corps, which is typically commanded by a lieutenant general. As the deployable level of command required to synchronize and sustain combat operations, the corps provides the framework for multi-national operations.

Army - 50,000 + soliders. Typically commanded by a lieutenant general or higher, an army combines two or more corps. A theater army is the ranking Army component in a unified command, and it has operational and support responsibilities that are assigned by the theater commander in chief. The commander in chief and theater army commander may order formation of a field army to direct operations of assigned corps and divisions. An army group plans and directs campaigns in a theater, and is composed of two or more field armies under a designated commander. Army groups have not been employed by the Army since World War II.

There is no set size (number of troops) assigned to any specific element. The size of an element of command depends primarily upon the type of unit and mission. For example, an aviation company would have a different number of troops assigned than an infantry company because it has a different mission, different equipment, and therefore different requirements.
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RajeshAji tatha Premji...Dhanyawad.
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Link
Multi-Attack Terror Plot On European Cities

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Sky's foreign affairs editor Tim Marshall said militants based in Pakistan were planning simultaneous strikes on London and major cities in France and Germany.

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Have you guys noticed, of late there is not much talk amongst Pakbarians of 'delivering' Haqqani to Unkil in exchange for control over Afghanistan? One can ask Khalid Khwaja in heaven what would happen to anyone from TSP establishment that goes there to negotiate. Unkil is expecting delivery of bodies not for negotiations it appears...and the less Pakbarian regime protests against the Drone blessings, the more the pure are convinced they are playing a double game, only against the pure...
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'Mumbai-style' terror attack on UK, France and Germany foiled
• Drone attacks intercept militants based in Pakistan
• Western intelligence agencies confirm plot fears

* Richard Norton-Taylor and Owen Bowcott
* The Guardian, Wednesday 29 September 2010
* Article history

A plot to launch "commando-style" attacks on Britain, France, and Germany has been intercepted and foiled by drone attacks on militants based in Pakistan, security and intelligence sources said last night.

The plan for suicidal onslaughts similar to the 2008 atrocity in Mumbai – where 166 people were killed in a series of gun and grenade assaults – was disrupted after a combined operation involving US, UK, French and German intelligence agencies, officials said.

British security and intelligence sources, who have been concerned for some time about the possibility of a Mumbai-style attack in Europe, confirmed that they believed a plot was being hatched from Pakistan.

The increased rate of coordinated US drone raids along the border with Afghanistan is believed to be a response to intelligence gathered about the plot. Security sources insisted that attacks in Europe were not imminent.

The Eiffel Tower in Paris, however, has been evacuated twice because of a bomb scare in the past two weeks, a precaution that may have been prompted by the intelligence.

No further evidence of such a plot was provided. Jonathan Evans, the head of MI5, earlier this month spoke publicly about the continuing threat of terror attacks in the UK. In his speech, he suggested that around 50% of the plots identified had links to Pakistan – a decline on previous estimates that suggested the figure was nearer 75%.

The terror group behind the 2008 Mumbai attacks was the outlawed, Pakistani-based Lashkar-e-Taiba.

In the aftermath of the attack western intelligence agencies gained access to computers seized from the Islamist group which listed other potential targets outside the Indian subcontinent for commando-style terror strikes.

Nine of the gunmen were killed – but a lone survivor gave Indian investigators a full confession that the assault was planned in Pakistan by Lashkar, a militant group that originally began an armed campaign against the Indian army in Kashmir.

US military briefings suggested the latest missile attacks in Pakistan had been coordinated by the CIA and were an unusual example of using drones to pre-empt possible terror plots.

"There are some pretty notable threat streams," one US military official told the Wall Street Journal, adding that the significance of the threats is still being assessed by counterterrorism experts.

The CIA is believed to have launched at least 20 drone strikes this month in Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas, the region bordering Afghanistan That is the highest monthly total in the past six years, according tofigures from the New America Foundation think tank which monitors drone operations.

Four people were reported killed in the latest raid on Monday by US Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) that are operated remotely out of air force bases in the US. A senior al-Qaida leader was among one of those killed in drone raids, Pakistani and US officials said yesterday.

There has also been speculation that some of the attacks may be targeted against the Islamist Haqqani network, a group that has not previously operated outside the region.

The group controls the area in north-western Pakistan where intelligence officials suspect Osama bin Laden may be hiding.

American officials declined to comment on specific plots in Europe or elsewhere but acknowledged that targeted drone strikes in Pakistan were meant to disrupt militant networks planning attacks.

"It shouldn't surprise anyone that links between plots and those who are orchestrating them lead to decisive American action," a US official told Reuters.

"The terrorists who are involved are, as everyone should expect, going to be targets. That's the whole point of all of this."
The French national police chief, Frederic Pechenard, warned last week that tip-offs from “friendly” intelligence services had put the country on high alert and there was “serious evidence coming from reliable intelligence sources telling us that there is a risk of a major attack.”

Mr Pechenard said he feared two scenarios – the attempted assassination of a public figure or an attempted strike on a crowded public area like a metro train or department store.

The US military detained a resident from Hamburg, Germany in Afghanistan in July who allegedly revealed details of planned attacks on targets in Germany and Europe and is said to have been a “major source” of information on future attacks.

The man, identified in Germany as “Ahmad S”, aged 36, was said to be a member of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, which is closely associated with al-Qaeda.

Some of his group from Hamburg are known to have attended a terrorist training camp where they learned how to use firearms and explosives.
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shyamd wrote:'Mumbai-style' terror attack on UK, France and Germany foiled

Western intelligence agencies confirm plot fears
I don't believe this BS. No way of verifying this.
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Hmm. So al- Dus Percenti is his way out. Yawn.. All back to normal in PoakLand folks. We will soon put this sham of a Dem-o-crazy behind us and will revert to normal military rule soon.

Well, well, Ass-Phack doing what he is supposed to do after getting his 3 year extension. He is Ass-Pecking Dus-Percenti's Musharraf!

Generals in Pakistan Push for Shake Up of Govt
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Looks like another Alquaida No 3 bit the dust. I wonder what the average service period for these no 3s.

http://thenews.com.pk/latest-news/1979.htm
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IMO, this natak baazi could be to get El Presidente (how close his name is to Husna Mubarak in reverse :eek: ) to visit Pak.

May be he should visit and lecture them on Democracy, Values of Islam, how Islam means religion of peace, how this WOT is not about Islam, May be he should limit his visit only to Pakistan and Afghanistan, stay there for week or so and get a sense of 7th century climate in its prestine form.

That way, US can at least, for a change, rightfully claim to have made some efforts to spread democracy in places where it is badly needed and the gernails will have to stay put for some more time.
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shiv wrote:A squeeze is certainly being put on the Pakistani military.

Last week someone from the US said India would retaliate of a 26/11 was repeated.

This week another guy says if 9/11 gets repeated Pakistan gets attacked.

Interesting times...
it could as well mean another 11/26 or/and 9/11 in plans. Let's see whose threat will hold the pakis
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http://publication.samachar.com/pub_art ... extIndex=4
Times of islamabad. "ombaba says -- give kashmir, get un sec council seat"
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RamaY wrote: it could as well mean another 11/26 or/and 9/11 in plans. Let's see whose threat will hold the pakis
They are both US threats anyway. India has made no threats.
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saip wrote:http://publication.samachar.com/pub_art ... extIndex=4
Times of islamabad. "ombaba says -- give kashmir, get un sec council seat"
So India stands with the begging bowl at Ombaba's feet and say "We are superpower aspirants. Please reserve UNSC seat for us"

And Ombaba sayd "OK beggar - give me that necklace you are wearing and I will reserve a seat for you under special category"

I tell ya - if India wants that UNSC seat so much why not give away Kashmir? wtf? Is Kashmir that important that we sacrifice UNSC seat awarded by Amerika? :roll:
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From Tribune News story about six more legislators (with making it 55) WITH fake degrees:
Six more join the list
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SLAMABAD: With the addition of another six legislators to the list of fake or invalid degree holders, the number has now climbed to 55, sources in the Higher Education Commission (HEC) sources told The Express Tribune.


What is note worthy here, that there have been some "valid" degrees too.. not to mention some "genuine"
Pakis too .. I quote..
According to the latest updates, a total of 388 degrees have been declared valid by the HEC, 55 have been found to be fake or invalid while the degree-related cases of 15 legislators are pending in courts.
In the latest list, degrees of 16 more pubic representatives have also been found to be genuine.
What kind of genuine representatives are these? :eek:
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Amber G. wrote: In the latest list, degrees of 16 more pubic representatives have also been found to be genuine.
What kind of genuine representatives are these? :eek:[/quote]

One of the meanings of "Paki" is "Pubic hair"
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^ that news has to do with benis. wrong thread. :mrgreen:
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shiv wrote:I tell ya - if India wants that UNSC seat so much why not give away Kashmir? wtf? Is Kashmir that important that we sacrifice UNSC seat awarded by Amerika?
Saar,
MMS government is not eligible to barter an integral part of India to a "seat" in a powerless organization. They simply dont have ball$ to bring that to Parliament. WTF is this fetish to be in UNSC? Did it stop any War in history? Gulf War 1 & 2, heck it didnt even stop the Georgia war!
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