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BijuShet wrote: Minor reminder to gentle folks about Former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. This lady had major khujli when it came to India...
Yes, most know (or at least I hope they do) that McKinney is anti-India, and Pro-TSP (Hence, it is not OT to discuss her in TSP thread).. her famous words (actually entered in Congress Records pointed out by you) were famous.. sound bytes..
.... The Indians Got Me, And They're Coming After You Next!
(After a defeat because she blamed Indian lobby (along with Jewish lobby who was mad at her anyway because she said 9/11 was inside job by Mossad/CIA ). If one already does not know, it is worthwhile to check her out and news stories like this one from Washington Post: McKinney Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot..

Of course, her crazy anti-India non-sense got her into front page Indian news papers too. 8)
eg: Indian-Americans help unseat US lawmaker
WASHINGTON: The headlines credit the Jewish lobby for the defeat of lawmaker Cynthia McKinney in the Congressional primaries on Tuesday. But a neophyte Indian-American activists group, which co-wrote the script for this unusual Georgia election that attracted nationwide attention, is happy with just the footnote that recorded their role.
They like to do it quietly. ....
Congresswoman McKinney outraged a lot of people with some bizarre remarks. Among her more provocative comments was her theory that President Bush purposely ignored warnings about 9/11 to help the US arms industry. The comment angered not just the Jewish groups, but regular Americans as well.
The African American incumbent was not shy of expressing her opinion on the subcontinent either – mostly ill-informed repeats made at the behest of the Pakistani and Khalistani lobby, according to Indian-Americans.
A sample: The Indian government is responsible for terrorism against its own people. It engineered the massacre of bus passengers in Kashmir and the blowing up of a passenger airliner.
Community leaders said she recorded that kind of "unsubstantiated nonsense, usually peddled by disgruntled and discredited conspiracy theorists," in the Congressional Record.
But it was when she began talking about the imminent breakup of India because of its "17 different separatist movements" that the Indians of Georgia lost it for her and banded together.
One prominent activist sent out an e-mail to 3400 Indian-Americans in the area reporting her remarks (under the subject line — "Balkanisation of India — advocated by Rep. Cynthia McKinney") and urging them to work for her opponent, a local judge named Denise Majette.
.....they chipped in with $20,000, although much larger sums came in later from Middle East groups — the Jews backing Majette and Arabs and Muslims supporting McKinney.
Indian-Americans contributed in other ways too. Several volunteers worked full week for Majette's campaign. She was invited as the chief guest for an Indian-American beauty pageant. A motel owner turned his electronic billboard next to the main highway into her campaign sign.
It was much after the Indian-American effort began that the Jewish lobby rolled into town. But the two sides joined hands for a phono-thon and pooled other resources for the campaign.
When the results came in on Tuesday, ....<snip>
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archan wrote:
mayo wrote:Please shower a bit of your love here

http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... atic-path/

Paki uwacha
Chillax... pakis have long been repeating how they have less poor people, less number of beggars (jeez, you have 1/7th the population! lol), how their roads are better, their mards are taller, fairer, blah blah... it is all to make themselves feel better about their nation that is spiraling down the gutter. The divergent paths the two countries have taken are obvious to anyone who cares to see (including investors and the IMF, lol). Indians need to keep the humility and know their nation's weaknesses and yet remember that Bharat has come out of more testing times and is stronger than it ever was since independence. The troubles of a developing nation remain, but you look around the rest of Asia, South America, Africa, Europe... you will find largely the same problems in many developing nations. It is good to be grounded, and not get carried away with any "shining" propaganda. Yet the realization that we have handled the economic depression better than most and are still going forward in speed, must bring confidence.
Don't worry much about wasting time arguing with pakis (in my humble opinion). The same time can be well spent reading about other issues and better still, joining the LMU faculty. :lol:
Now before we derail this thread, lets all go to our goats..
Archan ji, Thank you. I understand but once in a while it is good entertainment to poke them. Hypocrites (read "paki-liberals") took down my posts for "utter non-sense" (read causing H/D takleef) :). Remove this post if required.
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archan wrote:Oh crap! did they read my post yesterday? :(( :mrgreen:
LOL :rotfl:
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From the "Forget Kashmir, worry about your own survival: Krishna to Pak" article posted above:
The indirect exchanges ensured that the two foreign ministers left New York for home without a formal meeting....
Best outcome :)

The indirect exchanges ensured that the two foreign ministers left New York for home without a formal meeting, and the incremental progress on the Kashmir issue made through back channels during the past decade, based on which the US is also pushing for a resolution, remains on ice.
Chidanand Rajghatta has great concern for the wishes of US. Why?
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saip wrote:Looks like another Alquaida No 3 bit the dust. I wonder what the average service period for these no 3s.

http://thenews.com.pk/latest-news/1979.htm
Somebody here had a link to a list of all Al Qaeda #3s killed. I couldn't find it via google. Could whoever has a link post it?

Thanks.
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RajeshA wrote:
Ahem! GoI has started doing some deep-penetration psyops on Paquis. :twisted:
This is a googly from Krishna. I wonder what GHQ has to say about this :shock:
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Ijaz Butt withdraws fixing claims against England

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... land-rs-04

downhill skiing onlee
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^^^ Pakis wont even blink an eye when they make & subsequently withdraw their unsubstatiated allegations and now will expect world to forget the whole episode as if it never happened. I think ECB should pursue the matter untill Butt apologises. Otherwise if you let few days pass by pakis will flatly refuse in first case that they ever made any such accusitions.
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^^
Butt apologizes

http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/conten ... 79245.html
Ijaz Butt, the PCB chairman, has issued an apology for the comments he made during the one-day series between England and Pakistan when he claimed the hosts' players had taken "enormous amounts of money" to lose the third ODI at The Oval. The England players have accepted Butt's apology and withdrawn the threat of legal action which had loomed since the outburst.
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Brad Goodman wrote: url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 652822.cms]Forget Kashmir, worry about your own survival: Krishna to Pak[/url]

Ahem! GoI has started doing some deep-penetration psyops on Paquis. :twisted:

This is a googly from Krishna. I wonder what GHQ has to say about this :shock:
Did SMK really say that. I heard a typical equal equal report on NPR, SMK said TSP must stop terror, TSP said India must honor their commitment to KMs bla bla. Made me yawn.
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CramS, its a media hype. Full text of his speech is available here... Full text: Foreign Minister SM Krishna's speech to UN General Assembly
It is well known that many countries have deep-rooted concerns about the growth and consolidation of militancy and terrorism in Pakistan. We share these concerns, particularly because Jammu & Kashmir, which is an integral part of India, is the target of such Pakistan-sponsored militancy and terrorism. Pakistan must fulfill its solemn commitment of not allowing territory under its control to be used for terrorism directed against India. Credible and firm action by Pakistan against terrorist groups operating from its soil is in the interest of the region as it is in Pakistan's own interest. Pakistan cannot impart lessons to us on democracy and human rights. If, however, Pakistan were to live up to its commitment not to allow use of its soil by terrorists acting against India, this would significantly help reduce the trust deficit that impedes the development of better bilateral relations between our two countries. We are neighbours, and as neighbours, we have an obligation to work together.
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Vashishtha wrote:CramS, its a media hype. Full text of his speech is available here... Full text: Foreign Minister SM Krishna's speech to UN General Assembly
It is well known that many countries have deep-rooted concerns about the growth and consolidation of militancy and terrorism in Pakistan. We share these concerns, particularly because Jammu & Kashmir, which is an integral part of India, is the target of such Pakistan-sponsored militancy and terrorism. Pakistan must fulfill its solemn commitment of not allowing territory under its control to be used for terrorism directed against India. Credible and firm action by Pakistan against terrorist groups operating from its soil is in the interest of the region as it is in Pakistan's own interest. Pakistan cannot impart lessons to us on democracy and human rights. If, however, Pakistan were to live up to its commitment not to allow use of its soil by terrorists acting against India, this would significantly help reduce the trust deficit that impedes the development of better bilateral relations between our two countries. We are neighbours, and as neighbours, we have an obligation to work together.
Pakistan cannot impart lessons to us on democracy and human rights.
This would be better.
Unless Pakistan shows by action its commitment to democracy for over 50 years then it has some credibility in imparting lessons to India on democracy and human rights..
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/ ... 1291.shtml
CIA Chief Panetta Meets Pakistani Counterpart
ISLAMABAD (AP) - CIA director Leon Panetta is in Pakistan for talks with the head of the country's main spy agency.A Pakistani intelligence officer confirmed that Panetta was meeting Wednesday with Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha (PBVUH).e did not give his name in line with agency policy.Pakistani officials say the spy chiefs are in frequent contact to coordinate cooperation in targeting al-Qaida and other militant groups.The officials say such coordination has led to more than a hundred joint raids on militant targets by officers of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence and the CIA this year.CIA drone strikes are also at their highest level ever, with more than 20 suspected attacks on Pakistan's lawless North Waziristan region this month.
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Vashishtha wrote:CramS, its a media hype. Full text of his speech is available here... Full text: Foreign Minister SM Krishna's speech to UN General Assembly
The report was that he said it in the Asia Society speech, not at the UNGA.

http://asiasociety.org/policy-politics/ ... r-kashmir-
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Tough choice of words by O on Pak.

Obama: 'We need to make clear to people that the cancer is in Pakistan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
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praksam wrote:Tough choice of words by O on Pak.

Obama: 'We need to make clear to people that the cancer is in Pakistan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

When in actual fact he should have said

We need to make clear to people that the cancer is pakistan !!
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Battle Ground pakistan is approching sooner than expected ?
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Just a regular day in pics in pak...
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http://www.hafsite.org/PakistaniEmbassy ... click+here
Pakistani Embassy Meets With Hindu American Delegation

Washington, D.C. (September 20, 2010) - The Pakistani Embassy in Washington, D.C., was the venue on September 14, 2010 as a delegation comprised of leaders of the Hindu American Foundation (HAF) met with Dr. Muhammad Syrus Qazi, Counsellor and Liaison Officer for the House of Representatives. The delegation conveyed sympathy on behalf of its Hindu American membership over the plight of Pakistani people affected by the catastrophic recent floods. A proposal was offered to send a team of Hindu American physicians, with experience delivering emergency and surgical care in the region, on an immediate basis to offer medical aid and supplies specifically to the people of the Sindh region in the country.


Representatives of the Hindu minority in Sindh province contacted HAF recently, and reported that they were severely affected by the floods and in acute need for aid. During their meeting with Dr. Qazi, the HAF delegation highlighted reports that the distribution of beef to Hindus in some of the camps set up for the displaced people raised hackles in the community there.

“The Pakistani Hindu Sindhi community requires unique dietary, psychological and rehabilitative needs,” said Arvind Chandrakantan, MD, Executive Council member of HAF. “We sincerely believe that a medical team from the Hindu American Foundation with its combined expertise in a variety of medical sub-specialities can evaluate, provide medical care for and help coordinate the future needs of this community.”

Presenting a copy of the latest edition of HAF's human rights report, "Hindus in South Asia and the Diaspora: a Survey of Human Rights 2009," the Foundation’s Human Rights Coordinator, Prof. Ramesh Rao listed four major concerns consistently raised in its annual report: the abduction and rape of young Hindu women/girls who might then be forcibly converted or married to Muslim men; blasphemy laws targeting minority religion members; the inclusion of religious identity in the passports issued by Pakistan; and bonded labor in Sindh province that mostly affected poor Hindus.

The discussion was frank and honest, Chadrakantan said, and the delegation expressed satisfaction with both the tone and tenor of the meeting. Dr. Qazi acknowledged the need for his government to immediately address the issues raised by the delegation.

“We felt Dr. Qazi was receptive to our concerns, and we are pleased to have had this dialogue,” remarked Dr. Rao. “But our initial step will only prove fruitful if met with positive changes in policy from Islamabad.”
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(At least 20) training in Pakistan for UK terror attacks
(Telegraph story) At least 20 Britons are undergoing terrorist training in Pakistan to launch Mumbai-style shootings and suicide attacks in Britain, intelligence sources have told The Daily Telegraph.
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You got to give it to Pakistan

- Country formed on basis of religion which ethnically cleansed minorities
- Production factory for worldwide terrorism
- Constant turmoil and violence against minorities and sub majorities
- Military run country
- Nuclear prolif
- Friend and pimp of another nuke prolif China
- Horrible human rights track record (womens rights etc)
- Always on verge of imploding
-In illegal occupation of neighbours territory - POK

Yet, the world sends them aid, fetes them, gives them weapons and enables them to chair IAEA
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Jarita wrote:You got to give it to Pakistan

Yet, the world sends them aid, fetes them, gives them weapons and enables them to chair IAEA
Miracle of being next to the largest populated country and region in the world. Geo -politics - location, location and location.

One this location based advantage is removed then the world will change. The only way is to make the region non supportable or not a single entity.
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LUBP (Let us build Pakistan) has this title picture with the item ...
I like the choice of title, picture headlined, and Dronacharya bhakt Obama!
LET US BUILD PAKISTAN
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:rotfl: (Jai ho drone!)

(Nice poster if ...Rajiv Shah visits TSP - or any of us wants to show our kind heartiness to our neighbor )
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Poakshastar in Writting !!
: Obama’s Wars: implications for Pakistan
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_2
We are likely to see an increasing reference to the UN Security Council Resolution 1373, which states that the state’s sovereignty means that a state is duty-bound to control its territory and obligated to not allow its land to be used by non-state actors or terrorist groups to carry out attacks against its neighbours. This resolution, adopted under Chapter VII of the UN Charter and thus binding on member states, obligates them to “deny safe haven to those who finance, plan, support, or commit terrorist acts, or provide safe havens”.
This also forms the premise of what appears to be a Pakistan-specific ‘retribution’ plan, which, according to Woodward, will be triggered if there is a 9/11-like attack against the US by terrorists based or originating in Pakistan. Woodward notes: “Under this plan, the US would bomb or attack every known al Qaeda compound or training camp in the US intelligence database...The retribution plan called for a brutal, punishing attack on at least 150 or more associated camps (in Pakistan).”
This past May, the Times Square botched terror plot nearly set the plan into motion. Leon Panetta, Lieutenant General Douglas Lute and General James Jones had conveyed in person the gravity of the situation to the Pakistani authorities on May 19, 2010 that, “if that happens, all bets are off”. At the time, the US delegation did not reveal that the response could entail bombing 150 sites!Woodward has included in his book the memorandum dictated by Obama and circulated to the principals before his December 1, 2009 speech. The fact that no other US president before Obama has ever sent out written orders for his war plans makes this document the bedrock of his Pak-Afghan strategy. Among other things, he lists two metrics, which could alter the US policy towards Pakistan:
“1) Are there indicators that we (US) have begun to shift Pakistan’s strategic calculus and eventually end their active and passive support for extremists?Has Pakistan approved our (US) specific request for assistance against al Qaeda and other extremists, including the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani network?”
Based on an assessment of these metrics, the progress of Operation Dragon Strike and the outcome of the November elections in the US, Mr Obama will make critical decisions about Pakistan, Afghanistan and his political and military teams, culminating in the Afghan strategy review. Barack Obama has made a candid observation to Woodward: the US can absorb a 9/11-like attack and come out strong. As a nation this is true for the United States. But politics in the US has recently taken a hard right turn and it would be impossible for Obama not to project hard personal and national power if certain red lines are crossed. As Woodward records, “President Obama’s only choice would be to respond.”The US is not about to handover the keys to Kabul. Hopefully, the Pakistani establishment will reconsider its strategic calculus; living lies is incongruent with the geopolitical realities.
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Usual Paki behaviour on display. Fear of being sued makes PCB chief duck for cover. From The News (Posted in full) PCB Chief Ijaz Butt withdraws England allegations
Updated at: 2240 PST, Wednesday, September 29, 2010
LONDON: Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Ijaz Butt said Wednesday he was withdrawing comments alleging England players had 'thrown' this month's third one-day international against Pakistan at The Oval.

Butt had claimed England players were paid "enormous amounts of money" to lose The Oval match.

The England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) threatened legal action in response, unless Butt "unreservedly" apologised for remarks he said at the time were merely a case of him repeating something he'd heard from bookmakers.

And after a meeting with ECB counterpart Giles Clarke on Wednesday, England got the apology they wanted for what Butt said was a "misunderstanding" in a joint ECB/PCB statement, with England declaring they now considered the matter closed.

"I wish personally and on behalf of the Pakistan Cricket Board to withdraw the comments I made concerning the England and Wales Cricket Board and each of the England players who played in the NatWest One Day International at the Brit Insurance Oval on Friday 17 September," Butt's statement said.

"It is regrettable that there was a misunderstanding arising from my comments," he added.

"I would like to make it quite clear that in the statements which I made that I never intended to question the behaviour and integrity of the England players nor the ECB nor to suggest that any of them were involved in any corrupt practices or in a conspiracy against Pakistan cricket.

"In particular, I wish to make it clear that I have never seen any evidence of any wrong doing by any England player or the ECB at any time.

"I deeply and sincerely regret that my statements have been interpreted to cast doubt upon the good names of the England players and the ECB and hope that this public withdrawal will draw a line under the matter."
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Anujan wrote::mrgreen:
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Can someone translate the Urdu caption?
Every pic of Kiya nahi, shows poor body language. Servitude at its best. Considering that he has so low esteem in presence of his masters, I can bet he abuses his near and deer ones.
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Nandu wrote:
Vashishtha wrote:CramS, its a media hype. Full text of his speech is available here... Full text: Foreign Minister SM Krishna's speech to UN General Assembly
The report was that he said it in the Asia Society speech, not at the UNGA.

http://asiasociety.org/policy-politics/ ... r-kashmir-

He might also have said that in the Asia Society speech. Please do look up the MEA website.
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Faisal Shahzad Contacted Taliban After Attempted Bombing

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/nyreg ... ahzad.html
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Danda is the onlee wau to break this Poak Ganda Anda.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_1
‘Foiling’ terror attack in Europe
US top commander in Afghanistan General David Petraeus has given a veiled warning that the US can eventually launch ground operations in FATA. According to a New York Times report: “Petraeus wants to turn up the heat on the safe havens...He has pointed out to the Pakistanis that they could do more.” Such thinking brewing within the US security establishment could have serious consequences for our country.
North Waziristan has been a hot issue for quite some time now for the western forces. The notorious Haqqani network is accused of providing safe havens to foreign terrorist networks. It has also been alleged that the Haqqani network has the covert support of Pakistan’s military establishment. With endgame in Afghanistan approaching, the military establishment thinks that it can pursue its ‘strategic depth’ policy without any repercussions. What it does not envisage is any international terror plots emanating from our soil. Now that such plots are being uncovered, it is time to scrap this deadly foreign policy. A recent drone attack killed al Qaeda’s operational chief, Sheikh Fateh, in North Waziristan. It shows that the al Qaeda leadership is indeed hiding inside Pakistani territory. It is time that the Pakistan Army stops giving a free rein to the Haqqani network and launches a crackdown against all such elements that can lead to the destabilisation of the country, the region and the world at large.
The shelf life of our policy of protecting the Afghan Taliban has ended. If any terror attack takes place in any part of the world and has its origins in Pakistan, it could lead to serious consequences. We can hardly afford this. Pakistan is a dependent country. Our economic model is such that if the west decides to stop giving us loans and monetary aid, our economy will collapse. A ‘client state’ like Pakistan cannot afford to annoy its benefactors. Besides, by rooting out terrorism from our soil, we will be helping ourselves the most. Let this anticipated terror attack in Europe incident be a lesson for us to move forward and scrap all such policies that have increasingly diminishing returns. *
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Musharraf: Pakistan's Military Need Political Rolehttp://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/09 ... .html?_r=1
LONDON (AP) — Pakistan's former military ruler, Pervez Musharraf, said Wednesday that the country's armed forces need to play a larger political role, as he discussed plans for his own bid to return to power as a civilian.
Musharraf told a meeting in central London that Pakistan's army should have a constitutional role, rather than an informal position, in the country's leadership.
"The situation in Pakistan can only be resolved when the military has some role," Musharraf said, in a public interview with a former British ambassador to the U.S., Christopher Meyer. "Pakistan's army chief ought to be involved in some form, to ensure checks and balances, to ensure good governance," Musharraf said. "We must involve the military men. They should have a place to voice their concerns." Musharraf's successor as army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, has won praise in Pakistan for focusing the military on fighting insurgents and not disrupting Pakistan's return to civilian rule.
However, analysts point to rumors that the military is gearing up to engineer an alternative to President Asif Ali Zardari's elected government. They suggest Musharraf could carve out a space for himself as negotiator between the military and civilian leadership.
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NYT tonight finally reports on the less pure executing the more pure in Swat.

We know that TSPA/ISI have intimidated TSP media to not touch this topic. You can get a sense for the fear of TSP journalists by seeing the last line in the article below.
Video Hints at Executions by Pakistanis

By JANE PERLEZ

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — An Internet video showing men in Pakistani military uniforms executing six young men in civilian clothes has heightened concerns about unlawful killings by Pakistani soldiers supported by the United States, American officials said.

The authenticity of the five-and-a-half-minute video, which shows the killing of the six men — some whom appear to be teenagers, blindfolded, with their hands bound behind their backs — has not been formally verified by the American government. The Pakistani military said it was faked by militants.

But American officials, who did not want to be identified because of the explosive nature of the video, said it appeared to be credible, as did retired American military officers and intelligence analysts who have viewed it.

After viewing the graphic video on Wednesday, an administration official said: “There are things you can fake, and things you can’t fake. You can’t fake this.”

The director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Leon E. Panetta, who was in Islamabad on Wednesday on a previously scheduled visit, was expected to raise the subject of the video with the chief of the Pakistani Army, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, and the head of the Pakistani spy agency, Gen. Shuja Ahmed Pasha, American officials said.

The video adds to reports under review at the State Department and the Pentagon that Pakistani Army units have summarily executed prisoners and civilians in areas where they have opened offensives against the Taliban, administration officials said.

The video appears to have been taken in the Swat Valley, where the Pakistani military opened a campaign last year to push back Taliban insurgents. The effort was widely praised by American officials and financed in large part by the United States.

The reports could have serious implications for relations between the militaries. American law requires that the United States cut off financing to units of foreign militaries that are found to have committed gross violations of human rights.

But never has that law been applied to so strategic a partner as Pakistan, whose military has received more than $10 billion in American support since 2001 for its cooperation in fighting militants from the Taliban and Al Qaeda based inside the country.

The State Department spokesman, Philip J. Crowley, called the images “horrifying.” He said the American ambassador, Anne W. Patterson, had raised the issue with the Pakistani government and was awaiting a response. “We are determined to investigate it,” he said.

The spokesman for the Pakistani Army, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, dismissed the video as part of a propaganda campaign by jihadists to defame the Pakistani Army. “No Pakistan Army soldier or officer has been involved in activity of this sort,” he said.

A senior Pakistani intelligence officer, who declined to be named, dismissed the video as a staged “drama.”

The Pakistani military came under strong pressure from the United States to make the drive into the Swat region. Having since expanded operations to South Waziristan, the military has found itself in a counterinsurgency campaign in which it has struggled to maintain local support and weed out insurgents and their sympathizers from the population.

The video, apparently taken surreptitiously with a cellphone, shows six young men being lined up near an abandoned building surrounded by foliage. As the soldiers prepare to shoot, one soldier asks the commander, a heavily bearded man with the short hair typical of a military haircut: “One by one, or together?” He replies, “Together.”

A burst of gunfire erupts. The young men crumple to the ground. Some, still alive and wounded, groan. Then a soldier approaches the heap of bodies, and fires rounds into each man at short range to finish the job.

The men doing the shooting wear Pakistani Army uniforms and appear to be using G-3 rifles, standard issue for the Pakistani Army and rarely used by insurgents, according to several Pakistanis who watched the video.

The soldiers also speak Urdu, the language of the Pakistani Army, and use the word “Sahib” when addressing their commander, a polite form for Mr., which is uncommon among the Taliban.


The question of extrajudicial killings is particularly sensitive for Pentagon officials, who have tried in visits to Pakistan and through increased financing to improve their often-tense relationship with the Pakistani Army.

But growing word of such incidents in recent months has led to an internal debate at the State Department and the Pentagon over whether the reports are credible enough to warrant cutting off funds to Pakistani Army units, American officials said.

Not least of the concerns is keeping the Pakistani Army as an ally. Pentagon officials, already frustrated at Pakistan’s refusal to take on Taliban militants who cross into Afghanistan to fight American forces, fear that raising the question of human rights will sour the relationship.

“What if the Pakistanis walk away — is there any option?” was a question uppermost at the Pentagon, a senior administration official involved in the debate said.

Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont and sponsor of the law that would require withholding money, said Wednesday that anyone who had seen the video would “be shocked.”

If the video was found to be authentic, the law could be imposed, he said.

Currently, the United States spends about $2 billion a year on the Pakistani military, including funds specifically designated for antiterrorism operations, which the Pentagon has said it would like the Pakistanis to expand.

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, raised the reports of extrajudicial killings with the head of the Pakistani Army, General Kayani, in meetings this year, a senior administration official said.

One unresolved question, the official said, was how seriously General Kayani took the killings, and whether he was willing to punish the soldiers involved.

Some reports, particularly from Waziristan, that the State Department was reviewing were increasingly specific and credible, the senior official said.

“There is a particular set of incidents that have been investigated with great accuracy, and, we believe, lead to a pattern,” the official said.

The State Department briefed members of the Senate about the issue this summer, and was set to do so again next month, an indication of the rising concern on Capitol Hill, according to one Congressional staff member.

The episode in the video may be just the most glaring to surface. The Pakistani military is believed to have detained as many as 3,000 people in makeshift prisons in the region of its operations. Reluctant to turn them over to Pakistan’s undependable courts or to grant them amnesty, the problem of what to do with the detainees has grown pressing.

The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said in June that 282 extrajudicial killings by the army had taken place in the Swat region in the past year.

A Pakistani intelligence official, who did not want to be identified discussing the issue, said he had seen other such videos and heard reports of executions larger than the one in the video, which was posted on the Facebook page of a group that calls itself the Pashtuns’ International Association.

Two retired Pakistani senior army officers said they believed that the video was credible.

“It’s authentic,” said Javed Hussain, a former Special Forces brigadier. “They are soldiers in Swat. The victims appear to be militants or their sympathizers.” The executioners were infantry soldiers, he said. “It’s shocking, not expected of a professional, disciplined force.”

A retired lieutenant general, Talat Masood, also said the video seemed credible. “It will have a serious setback in the effort for winning the hearts and minds so crucial in this type of warfare,” he said
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A Pakistani employee of The New York Times contributed reporting.
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who has most to gain from a domestic US outcry over the video - the PA itself, saying we need to pull back and be more careful lest such
incidents happen again. with a bunch of armed firing squad , this could not have been a spy video, but taken by PA itself and deftly released to see how the world reacts.
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Rangudu wrote:NYT tonight finally reports on the less pure executing the more pure in Swat.
The NYT says the source is the Pashtuns' International Association on Facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/Pashtunia?v=app ... nia?v=wall
Posted there on Sept 24, 3:10 PM, so they are not the original source.
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Mushy hints at another coup!

LONDON: Former president Pervez Musharraf warned Wednesday that Pakistan’s military could launch another coup, as he prepared to launch a new party and rejoin the country’s turbulent politics.

The retired general said army chief Ashfaq Pervez Kayani could be forced to intervene against the goverment of President Asif Ali Zardari which he said had failed to tackle rampant extremist militancy and a crumbling economy.

Musharraf — who himself came to power in a coup in 1999 and has lived in London since quitting in 2008 — cited as evidence a reported crisis meeting this week between Kayani, Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani.

Asked whether he thought there was a likelihood of a new coup, he told the Intelligence Squared debating forum in London: “Well, you see the photographs of the meeting with the president and the prime minister and I can assure you they were not discussing the weather.

“There was a serious discussion of some kind or other and certainly at this moment all kinds of pressures must be on this army chief.”

The 67-year-old said similar “pressures” when he was head of the army in the nuclear-armed Islamic republic from 1998 to 1999 had led him to launch the coup against then prime minister Nawaz Sharif.

“In that one year Pakistan was going down and a number of people, including politicians, women, men, came to me telling me ‘Why are you not acting? Are you going to act for Pakistan’s good?” Musharraf said.

“Now I am in a dilemma — the army chief, what does he do? There is no constitutional provision, what does he do?”

Musharraf confirmed that he would launch a new political party in London on Friday to contest the next elections in 2013 but refused to say when he would return to Pakistan, where he could face treason charges.

He said Zardari’s government had failed adequately to deal with Pakistan’s moribund economy, the threat from Taliban militants, and the after effects from devastating floods earlier this year.

Pakistan’s powerful military has ruled the country for over half of the country’s existence since independence from Britain in 1947. —AFP
Something's brewing. Is Kayani or Shuja Pasha headed towards DC anytime soon? If they do, then we can be certain that 'Dus percanti's govt is in grave danger.
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Prem wrote:http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/ ... 1291.shtml
CIA Chief Panetta Meets Pakistani Counterpart
ISLAMABAD (AP) - CIA director Leon Panetta is in Pakistan for talks with the head of the country's main spy agency.A Pakistani intelligence officer confirmed that Panetta was meeting Wednesday with Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha (PBVUH).e did not give his name in line with agency policy.Pakistani officials say the spy chiefs are in frequent contact to coordinate cooperation in targeting al-Qaida and other militant groups.The officials say such coordination has led to more than a hundred joint raids on militant targets by officers of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence and the CIA this year.CIA drone strikes are also at their highest level ever, with more than 20 suspected attacks on Pakistan's lawless North Waziristan region this month.

Ambar, See this....
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^^^^
This was reported more than a year ago:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

From the article on Sept 14, 2009
Scores, perhaps hundreds, of bodies dumped on the streets in what human rights advocates and local residents say is the work of the military...Bodies, some with torture marks and some with limbs tied and a bullet in the neck or head, have been found on the roads of Mingora and in rural areas that were militant strongholds.
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Jarita wrote:You got to give it to Pakistan

- Country formed on basis of religion which ethnically cleansed minorities
- Production factory for worldwide terrorism
- Constant turmoil and violence against minorities and sub majorities
- Military run country
- Nuclear prolif
- Friend and pimp of another nuke prolif China
- Horrible human rights track record (womens rights etc)
- Always on verge of imploding
-In illegal occupation of neighbours territory - POK

Yet, the world sends them aid, fetes them, gives them weapons and enables them to chair IAEA
Jarita, I would add a few more to your fine list:
  • A country which lost more than half of itself within 25 years of its formation
  • A country which killed millions of its own people and sent several millions more as refugees to its neighbour
  • The country that created the Taliban, supported them and recognized them for six years
  • A Country which has been involved in almost 200 terrorist incidents worldwide since 9/11
  • A country that uses terror as a policy of state
  • A country that illegally conceded illegally-occupied territory to a third country
  • A nuclear-weapon country whose Armed forces and intelligence services are not under civilian control
  • A country which spends over 14% of its budget on the military and less than 3% on health and education.
The moral of the story is that the greater the reckless behaviour, the more the aid one would receive.
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Invoking plebiscite ghost, Kayani draws the hard line in Indo-Pak talks process

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Invok ... ess/690377
India was very keen that the two Foreign Ministers meet in New York and announce a “comprehensive” list for talks on various issues, including Kashmir and Siachen. These were to then lead to a visit to India by Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi in January. Short of calling it a composite dialogue, sources said, India had expressed willingness to hold conversations on all eight issues included in the dialogue format.

Considerable back and forth between New Delhi, New York and Islamabad had been happening to set up this meeting over the past ten days. In fact, Pakistan continued to insist on sequencing the talks in the same form as it was in the composite dialogue, to which India objected. Finally, Islamabad was said to have agreed on the condition that these various talks would take place ahead of the January visit.
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SSridhar wrote:
Jarita wrote:You got to give it to Pakistan

Yet, the world sends them aid, fetes them, gives them weapons and enables them to chair IAEA
Jarita, I would add a few more to your fine list:

The moral of the story is that the greater the reckless behaviour, the more the aid one would receive.
Now if only Mongolia had similar chootzpah, they too could milk the world of lots of aid, eh? Location and all, some terrorism idhar udhar.... some loose nukes here and there....and pretty soon, free aid from all over the world. Yay!
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