Pratyush ji,Pratyush wrote:use track 2 and guage reaction without causing heart attack.RajeshA wrote:
Nah, would cause too many heart attacks!
The current gen DIE is unique in the sense they want to take credit for the high table and high position of India and are ready to be mental slave and also take money or get into deals - IUCNA to achieve their personal goals.Pratyush wrote:
The issue is the DIE is absolutely convinced about the need for UN seat. They think it is a symble of India having arrived at the big table, an H&D issue if you will.
SwamyG-saar, my thoughts on those, a few days back in CWG threadSwamyG wrote:I say the only difference between Indian and American politicians is that the American ones roam in soot-boot and speak English. There are countless rallies these days in Washington DC. Did any one notice how people are being "offered" bus rides from various spots? How is this different from the Indian politicians getting people in lorries, giving biryani and some "bata", huh? I think the Indian citizens have it better when it comes to vote pandering, at least they get something in return - be it reduced rice, free tv ityadi. When will the Americans catch up
) since ages. Americans are warming up to that. They call each other tea-bagger or acornite, that is allGlobal Outlook
International belief in American dominance, which had persisted since the end of the Cold War, is beginning to diminish, Mohan said. As a result, India is becoming an increasingly important partner for the United States in Asia, as both India and the United States work to balance the power of a rising China. With both China and India becoming trading powers, their influence will be felt in traditionally Western domains such as the protection and organization of the maritime commons and the international economic system.
Regional Outlook
Within Asia, there is increasing concern over how the continent will cope with the large militaries, manage the important flashpoints, and integrate the substantial economic engines that must coexist there. Mohan argued that it is better for India to have the United States be part of this discussion of Asia’s future. It is also better for the United States to recognize India as part of Asia as a whole and not just South Asia.
Defense Capabilities in Asia
India is already beginning to assume both a more prominent role and a closer relationship with the United States in Asia, Mohan argued, citing as evidence India’s recent history of defense purchases. Between 1947 and 2005, India did not purchase a single defense platform from the United States. Over the past five years, however, India has purchased a significant amount of military equipment from the United States. This relationship will only deepen as the United States pares down its own defense expenditures and capabilities in the region, and India fills the resulting gap.
Well if you read the headline carefully, all it says is that Obama will be visiting a Landmark in India, probably the Taj Mahal.Nihat wrote:Obama preparing for a landmark visit to India, says Blake
all this hype certainly has got me very eager too as to what is so "Landmarkish" about this visit or its just a big hogwash to pepper up the DDM into Unkil praise mode before Obama's visit towards shaping public perception.
India has no iideology and were taking care of its interest.Varoon Shekhar wrote: Yes, it is, but it brings up an interesting issue. To what extent was American policy toward India during those years( 50's, 60's, 70's) motivated by countering Russia/Su, and to what extent by countering or containing India itself !?
It's all fine to say there was a cold war going on, but was there something about India's own behaviour and dynamics that the US in those years found unpalatable? The US knew in its heart of hearts, that India was no client state of Russia, and also that India did not want communism in its own borders, or even anywhere preferably.
In US of A they call it "stump speech" in tamil nadu they call it "maedai paechu" {stage speech}. Rest of desh must have a similar concept.hnair wrote:Am waiting for a US politician to go around barefoot in his jammies and call himself "Chief Big Soul". My bet is on Kucinich to go that route
I disagree. Taking in immigrants has nothing to do with state to state relationship. Its the way US was founded. US would have pretty much taken in all Russian scientists & engineers during the so called cold war, and yet it was at war with Russia.Neshant wrote:Roll out the red carpet for the man regardless.
US has taken in many Indian immigrants who have become wealthy and who have in turn benefitted India financially. Most other great powers like China are looking only to tear India down.
we call it "kavala-prasangam" (transl: nukkad speech). what I meant was different: Chief Big Soul == Khan taking "inspiration" from India's founding father and tooting it as their own invention.SwamyG wrote:In US of A they call it "stump speech" in tamil nadu they call it "maedai paechu" {stage speech}. Rest of desh must have a similar concept.hnair wrote:Am waiting for a US politician to go around barefoot in his jammies and call himself "Chief Big Soul". My bet is on Kucinich to go that route
So most likely C Rajghatta heard a bathroom rumor and rushed to publish in TOIlet.US denies linking India's UNSC aspirations with Kashmir
October 01, 2010 11:19:15 PM
IANS | Washington
The United States has discounted reports that President Barack Obama would endorse India's permanent membership of UN Security Council in return for resolving the Kashmir issue, saying there is no link between them.
"I don't see a link between the two," said State Department spokesman Phillip Crowley when asked about reports that during his India visit, Obama may offer New Delhi a seat on the international high table if it agreed to resolving the long standing dispute with Pakistan.
"I mean, we want to see India and Pakistan work collectively together to resolve tensions regarding Kashmir," he told reporters Thursday
"And we understand that India and a number of countries and the United States are also interested in UN reform, including reforms within the Security Council," Crowley said. "Those are conversations which are ongoing with a wide range of countries."
Asked if the Security Council seat was going to be a big agenda item for Obama when he goes to India in November, Crowley said: "It is an issue that comes up in our ongoing dialogue with India. I can't predict whether it will come up in November."
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As a person he will be received very warmly in India. It is about the US policy and its goals geo politically that needs attention.joshvajohn wrote:India should welcome Obama in a grand manner that friendship between two countries will emerge as mutually benefiting and globally cooperating partnership. Our media should be geared to give a grand frontpage for his visit.
White America Has Lost Its Mind
The white brain, beset with worries, finally goes haywire in spectacular fashion
By Steven Thrasher Wednesday, Sep 29 2010
http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-09-29/ ... -its-mind/
About 12:01 on the afternoon of January 20, 2009, the white American mind began to unravel.
It had been a pretty good run up to that point. The brains of white folks had been humming along cogently for near on 400 years on this continent, with little sign that any serious trouble was brewing. White people, after all, had managed to invent a spiffy new form of self-government so that all white men (and, eventually, women) could have a say in how white people were taxed and governed. White minds had also nearly universally occupied just about every branch of that government and, for more than two centuries, had kept sole possession of the leadership of its executive branch (whose parsonage, after all, is called the White House).
But when that streak was broken—and, for the first time, a non-white president accepted the oath of office—white America rapidly began to lose its grip.
As with other forms of dementia, the signs weren't obvious at first. After the 2008 election, when former House majority leader Tom DeLay suggested that instead of a formal inauguration, Barack Obama should "have a nice little chicken dinner, and we'll save the $125 million," black folks didn't miss the implication. References to chicken, particularly of the fried variety, have long served as a kind of code when white folks referred to black people and their gustatory preferences—and weren't many of us already accustomed to older white politicians making such gaffes? But who among us sensed that it was a harbinger that an entire nation was plunging into madness?
Who didn't chuckle, after all, the first time they heard that white people had doubts that Barack Obama had even been born in the United States and was therefore ineligible to be president? It sounded like one of those Internet stories in which some (usually white) writer does his best to prove something everyone knows to be true is actually the exact opposite. And you go along with it for a few paragraphs to see how long the writer can convince you that what you know is right is actually wrong.
Seemed like that, didn't it? After all, what was the beef? Obama's father was Kenyan, and the kid was born in Hawaii—which is barely a part of the United States to begin with (only a state in 1959!). His mother was white, and after the Kenyan guy left, she married an Indonesian guy, so little Barack lived in Jakarta for a while before coming back to Hawaii to be brought up largely by his white grandparents. . . . And that's it? Come on, this was after-school-special material, the kind of thing that brings a tear to your eye because little half-Kenyan/half-white Barry made good, not the stuff of conspiracy novels.
But the more you shook your head at it, the more it seemed to have taken root deep in the lizard part of the white nervous system. Obama is not an American. He says he's Christian, but he has a Muslim-sounding name. He's not black, he's not white. . . . Is . . . is he even human?
Today, Newsweek has found, nearly a quarter of Americans believe that Obama is a Muslim, with barely 42 percent of the nation accepting his claim that he's a Christian. CNN finds that a quarter of Americans also believe that Obama was "probably or definitely" born in another country.
14 percent of Americans believe in their hearts that President Barack Obama is the antichrist, with nearly a quarter of Republicans saying so.
At least in this form, however, Satan (sometimes) wears a flag pin.
What was going on? Had decades of sucking down so much high-fructose corn syrup not only made Americans incredibly obese, but also messed with white brain chemistry to the point that some sort of tipping point had occurred?
Not a bad theory, but no, there's a simpler explanation, with two parts: For the first time in their lives, baby boomers are hard up against it economically, and white boy is becoming outnumbered and it's got his bowels chilled with fear.
"In an age of diminished resources, the United States may be heading for an intensifying confrontation between the gray and the brown," writes Ronald Brownstein in his July National Journal article, "The Gray and the Brown: The Generational Mismatch." That's a polite and understated way of saying that older white folks are losing their shit as they're being replaced by young brown and black kids while the economy is in the crapper.
Brownstein notes that 40 percent of the nation's population under 18 is already non-white, with that number significantly higher in the Southwest (read: Mexicans!). By 2023, that number of young non-whites will be an outright national majority.
COVER STORY
The Gray And The Brown: The Generational Mismatch
A CONTRAST IN PRIORITIES IS ARISING BETWEEN NONWHITE YOUNG VOTERS AND WHITE, OLDER VOTERS.
by Ronald Brownstein
Saturday, July 24, 2010
http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazi ... 4_3946.php
In an age of diminished resources, the United States may be heading for an intensifying confrontation between the gray and the brown.
Two of the biggest demographic trends reshaping the nation in the 21st century increasingly appear to be on a collision course that could rattle American politics for decades. From one direction, racial diversity in the United States is growing, particularly among the young. Minorities now make up more than two-fifths of all children under 18, and they will represent a majority of all American children by as soon as 2023, demographer William Frey of the Brookings Institution predicts.
At the same time, the country is also aging, as the massive Baby Boom Generation moves into retirement. But in contrast to the young, fully four-fifths of this rapidly expanding senior population is white. That proportion will decline only slowly over the coming decades, Frey says, with whites still representing nearly two-thirds of seniors by 2040.
These twin developments are creating what could be called a generational mismatch, or a "cultural generation gap" as Frey labels it. A contrast in needs, attitudes, and priorities is arising between a heavily (and soon majority) nonwhite population of young people and an overwhelmingly white cohort of older people. Like tectonic plates, these slow-moving but irreversible forces may generate enormous turbulence as they grind against each other in the years ahead.
Already, some observers see the tension between the older white and younger nonwhite populations in disputes as varied as Arizona's controversial immigration law and a California lawsuit that successfully blocked teacher layoffs this year at predominantly minority schools. The 2008 election presented another angle on this dynamic, with young people (especially minorities) strongly preferring Democrat Barack Obama, and seniors (especially whites) breaking solidly for Republican John McCain.
Over time, the major focus in this struggle is likely to be the tension between an aging white population that appears increasingly resistant to taxes and dubious of public spending, and a minority population that overwhelmingly views government education, health, and social-welfare programs as the best ladder of opportunity for its children. "Anything to do with children in the public arena is going to generate a stark competition for resources," Frey says.
The twist is that graying white voters who are skeptical of public spending may have more in common with the young minorities clamoring for it than either side now recognizes. Today's minority students will represent an increasing share of tomorrow's workforce and thus pay more of the payroll taxes that will be required to fund Social Security and Medicare benefits for the mostly white Baby Boomers. Many analysts warn that if the U.S. doesn't improve educational performance among African-American and Hispanic children, who now lag badly behind whites in both high school and college graduation rates, the nation will have difficulty producing enough high-paying jobs to generate the tax revenue to maintain a robust retirement safety net.
"The future of America is in this question: Will the Baby Boomers recognize that they have a responsibility and a personal stake in ensuring that this next generation of largely Latino and African-American kids are prepared to succeed?" contends Stephen Klineberg, a sociologist at Rice University in Houston, who has studied the economic and political implications of changing demographics. "This ethnic transformation could be the greatest asset this county will have, with a young multilingual, well-educated workforce. Or it could tear us apart and become a major liability."
"We think we have the finest military hardware in the world, and if India is upgrading its defence capabilities, they should buy American," State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said following Antony's meeting with Clinton.
After they have funded and aided military govt of Pakistan for 50 years which has killed more Indians from american weapons.VinodTK wrote:US pressing India to buy US military hardware: FT
"We think we have the finest military hardware in the world, and if India is upgrading its defence capabilities, they should buy American," State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said following Antony's meeting with Clinton.
How come all this starts happening when some US President is about to visit India?!US Energy Secretary Dr Steven Chu in his video message said “the partnership between the two countries to advance clean energy drawing on India's world class science resources that was developed during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to the US last year will be given high priority during President Obama's visit to India in November.” Dr Chu, a Nobel Prize winner in physics, asserted that India and the US faced some similar challenges with growing energy consumption and dependence on imported energy resources.
I think he already gave that to Gordon Brown.RajeshA wrote:
There'll be other gifts as well - may be Obama's favorite collection of Hip-Hop!
Was it this?Amber G. wrote:^^^Actually not too long ago (about 4-5 months), two young Sikhs (who recently joined US armed forces), along with some other guests (included some Indians) were in a white house party where Obama did have Bhangra beats..(A famous Bhangra performer/DJ performed/spun bhangra beats in the East room... Everyone seemed to enjoy it .. Obama remarked about the "unique music that were being heard in the White House for the first time" or something like that which brought laugher ...(He explicitly mention about Sikh Americans - how he was there to celebrate for them and listen to them too)
Looks like this is deliberate leak of background negotiations. We are well off if Mr. Unpopular doesn't visit, saves us few billions and India's left over salience will be intact.
You are close to what is happeningharbans wrote: Thats why someone wrote a year or 2 back in newsweek..Americans are becoming more Indian than the other way. Look at Kissinger..the same guy who pleaded China to attack India..why does he come to India. IS it catharsis?
PS: Just some l;oud thinking here really. Wondering if we should explore this angle as far as India-US strategic relationships go.
Philip ji , What makes you think that crown prince is not a quisling himself or for that matter the queen mother.Who knows they might even be worse?Philip wrote:The "US lobby" inside the PMO is not the danger,as it has already been in the hands of "Quisling Singh" for quite some time!
As he finds time is running out in his last innings,he is doing as much as he can,under orders from his handlers,to tie up as many defence deals as he can and get India completely enmeshed into the US's "strategic netwrok",so that it will become almost impossible for the Crown Prince to untie the nation from the spider's web thast Quisling has led us into.When viewed against the continuing US covert and overt activities at propping up Pak,further aiding it militarily,it is simply astonishing that the GOP and the Quen Bee cannot put a brake upon Quisling's sell out.Perhaps it is because they are so devoid of intelligence in strategic affairs,being more involved in keeping their votebank intact and preparing the way for the crown prince to make an easy entrance post Quisling.However,by then the damage will have been done and the CP will have his work cut out both in winning the next election plus unravelling the sticky web that Quisling has got us into.