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SSridhar wrote:
Anujan wrote:I see three key goals. One protecting the US homeland...two, concern about Pakistan's nuclear weapons...third goal about Pakistan-India relationships
This is something we must internalize. There is no mention of Pakistani terrorism. 'Protecting US homeland' means disrupting terrorist activities to that extent only, and rightly so too from a US viewpoint. The US would not therefore be compelled or be even under obligation to intercede with Pakistan on behalf of India, again rightly so. India's concerns of Pakistan's state & non-state actors may elicit varying response from the US from time to time according to how it perceives threat to itself from these players or how much of their help is needed by the GotUS in pursuit of its own goals.

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Actually India has to be more assertive to ensure that the US goals are impacted. As long as India provides a passive face to TSP terror strikes, for what ever reasons, then the US will try to soft sell India.

Nothing prevents India from keep a few formations near the border, keeping a third of the IN at sea in Arabian Sea for patrols etc and a few squadrons on alert status. These measures while costing India will ensure the US keeps a check on TSP to prevent the second goal from unravelling.

All this CBMs which withdraw Indian battle formations to deep South India are not helpful. They let the enemy strike knowing that it takes two months to get to the border. And meantime the US intervense and soft sells India.

The TSP needs to strike India to retain its own existence. If it can't strike at India it will take it on itself.
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http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/10/ ... ns.html?hp
MIRANSHAH (Reuters) - A suspected U.S. drone strike killed eight militants of German nationality in northwest Pakistan on Monday, Pakistani intelligence officials said.

They were killed when two missiles from a suspected CIA pilotless aircraft struck a mosque in Mirali in North Waziristan, the intelligence officials said.

The strikes came a day after the United States and Britain issued warnings of an increased risk of terrorist attacks in Europe.
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A pure hearted Packey with jihad in his heart and publishing moolah in his mind, shows up in my town's premier literary event and BRF's favorite DIE-son promptly waterboards him.

Indo-Pakistan debate at Kovalam Literary Fest
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THIRUVANATHAPURAM: Pakistani writer Mohammed Hanif rudely exploded the longheld feelgood myth that Indians and Pakistanis are long lost brothers.

"I have been hearing this mantra for quite long but we are different people. We might have shared a common history but we have interpreted it differently,'' the author of 'A Case of Exploding Mangoes' said in the irritated drawl of man who had been woken up from sleep. :mrgreen:

The writer's body language alone was enough to suggest what he thought of 'IndoPak Relations: The Way Forward', the topic put up for debate at the end of the Kovalam Literary Festival. He sat on the dais as though he might easily slide down from the chair, frequently passed his hands through his adamantly curled hair and whenever he was asked whether he had anything to say he mostly began with an absentminded 'no'.

At one point, in a sarcastic reference to the topic of the debate, he said he did not know how things were going to move forward. Another time he suggested the debate reflected India's arrogance.

"Only you can conduct such a debate on India and Pakistan without referring to Kashmir.'' Hanif looked irredeemably suspicious.


Intriguing

Author and former Union Minister Shashi Tharoor was visibly offended, though he tried hard, and very nearly succeeded :P , in fixing a smile throughout the debate. Tharoor said Hanif's attitude was intriguing. It was indicative of Pakistan's denial of shared historical roots and cultural underpinnings : . "It is time to get away from the sense of denial,'' Tharoor said.

There were times when a shocking intensity of emotion shot through Hanif's generally nonchalant manner. When Tharoor commented that Pakistan should stop exporting terror to India, Hanif strained and stiffened his features. typical RAPE - full of chronic pakistaniyat and needs a huge dash of moral fiber in his diet

"Over one fifth of Pakistan is drowned. A mosque blows up every day. Do you think Pakistanis are sitting there and thinking of ways to bring India down. We do have some nuts. But they are not the problem at the moment,'' Hanif said.

Shashi Tharoor, who too seemed to be provoked into sarcasm, ridiculed Pakistan's refusal to directly accept flood assistance from India. "Our aid was hugely generous considering the churlishness of the recipient,'' he said. :D

Hanif looked amused when he heard of Pakistan spurning Indian money. "Come on, are you accusing our politicians of not accepting money,'' he said, an obvious dig at the rampant corruption in Pakistan.

Later, while commenting about the military in both India and Pakistan, Hanif said: "Both these militaries kill their own children. You claim to be a big democracy but you have not been able to stop them. We are ruled by the military and we simply can't stop them,'' he said. "I do hope Pakistan becomes a fullfledged functioning democracy in my time, or at least in my son's time,'' he added.

BBC's Amit Baruah, who moderated the debate, put forth a formal question. How does Pakistanis perceive the Indian military, he asked. Hanif was unforgiving. "They have no perception of Indian military. They haven't got the time nor the mental space to think about India,'' he said. Then, with a dismissive wave of his hand, he said: "Get used to the indifference.'' :lol:
JEM-saar, incase you are around:
"adhiti devo something something" wrecked a full dunk of the jihadi in Kovalam high tide. After the event, little birdies still roiling with mirth and coffee stains in their bibs, say the paki cleared the cobwebs off the local chapter of JNU-wallahs. If only for a short while :D
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Nothing new... "India sympathiser Pakistani Envoy making Pakistan's diplomacy suffers at UN" and other rants by madam ..
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..Interesting that both the wight lifter (Shujauddin Malik) and the Sports Minister (Dr. Mohammad Ali Shah - supposed to be a surgeon) are Honored and decorated .... Sitara-i-Imtiaz Pakis!! 8)

(Rumor is that next time, the flag will be filled with lead - so that if Shah wants to carry it ..:)
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"They have no perception of Indian military. They haven't got the time nor the mental space to think about India,''


This must be one of those Pakistani intellectuals.
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Maybe he was morose because he was looking for Bangalore and got lost. :rotfl:
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hnair wrote:Indo-Pakistan debate at Kovalam Literary Fest
Hanif was unforgiving. "They have no perception of Indian military. They haven't got the time nor the mental space to think about India,'' he said. Then, with a dismissive wave of his hand, he said: "Get used to the indifference.'' :lol:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

This guy is a tapasvi and a character actor, sitting there, suppressing his natural instinct and acting as if he is dismissive. Simply the fact, that he used the word 'dismissive', betrayed his stupid acting.
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Alright, here's my rant for the day.

First of all, what dumbass invited this idiot and why? He probably drawled and smirked his way to the bank, thinking "that was easy money".

Secondly, what drives these commie jholawalas to keep calling these unwashed pakis, long-lost brothers? Brothers, my ass. In my opinion, partition was a one big favor the brits did to Indians. Got rid of the riff raff through a one way door. There is nothing in common between them and us. They look and smell different. They think differently. They behave differently. Their demographics in the US says it all. Thats why its so easy for homeland security at airports to pick them out from a crowd and pull them aside for a full cavity search. I have seen them getting the extra treatment at middle-eastern airports and I felt no remorse.

I wish Indians in general (present company excepted, of course) would grow up and grow out of their 63 years of stupor thinking that one day the two people would reunite. That time has passed. The pakis dont want it and neither should we. I know no right thinking muslim (and I know several hard working middle class families) in India who wants that. Why should the rest of the people wish for it? Beats the heck out of me.

Its about time these "educated" jehadis are ignored and left to rot for themselves. Let them drown in their filth and piss. India has places to go and miles to grow. Focus on bigger and greater things. Please dont let these porki morons become a drag. And they will, if you let them. The world is looking for business-like maturity, not sentimentality.
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sanjaykumar wrote:This must be one of those Pakistani intellectuals.
That term is an oxy-moron.
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Suppiah wrote:I owe a thousand, a million apologies to every animal born or dead or unborn...sorry my dear tigers, lions, pigs, dogs, cats and all other animals....you are not to be insulted hereafter by comparing you with a Paki.


Apparently the porkis have a domestic T20 tournament where these animals are abused too. Domestic T-20 Cup from October 10. No goats or pigs, though. Those are sacred.
The thirteen teams that will participate in the tournament are, Peshawar Panthers, Multan Tigers, Lahore Lions ,Quetta Bears, Sialkot Stallions, Rawalpindi Rams, Karachi Zebras, Faisalabad Wolves, Islamabad Leopards, Abbottabad Falcons, Karachi Dolphins, Lahore Eagles, and Hyderabad Hawks.
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anupmisra wrote: Indo-Pakistan debate at Kovalam Literary Fest


Alright, here's my rant for the day.

First of all, what dumbass invited this idiot and why? He probably drawled and smirked his way to the bank, thinking "that was easy money".

Secondly, what drives these commie jholawalas to keep calling these unwashed pakis, long-lost brothers? Brothers, my ass.
On this, let me give you my rant, basically the Paki POV. And for once, I concur with the Paki rif rafs more than our jholawalas. Basically, what the Pakis are saying is this: you chutiyas, we laughed and got TSP, now we will fight and get Hindustan, for a start, Kashmir. And instead of you cowards getting on the battle field and settling scores once for all, we persish and take you down with us, you keep smooth talking us through this bhaichara and shared history/culture crap in the hope that we will give up our fight. That ain't gonna happen, you give us Kashmir first and then we'll see where we go from there.
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Question - the run of attacks on NATO supplies through Pakistan starting since last Friday - are they because of the NATO helicopters that violated Pakistani airspace and killed some security personnel? Or is the NATO incident merely a coincidence and the Taliban were planning these attacks all along?
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A_Gupta wrote:Question - the run of attacks on NATO supplies through Pakistan starting since last Friday - are they because of the NATO helicopters that violated Pakistani airspace and killed some security personnel? Or is the NATO incident merely a coincidence and the Taliban were planning these attacks all along?
These attacks are turned on and off like a switch by the TSPA, that should answer your question.
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CRamS wrote:
anupmisra wrote: Indo-Pakistan debate at Kovalam Literary Fest


Alright, here's my rant for the day.

First of all, what dumbass invited this idiot and why? He probably drawled and smirked his way to the bank, thinking "that was easy money".

Secondly, what drives these commie jholawalas to keep calling these unwashed pakis, long-lost brothers? Brothers, my ass.
On this, let me give you my rant, basically the Paki POV. And for once, I concur with the Paki rif rafs more than our jholawalas. Basically, what the Pakis are saying is this: you chutiyas, we laughed and got TSP, now we will fight and get Hindustan, for a start, Kashmir. And instead of you cowards getting on the battle field and settling scores once for all, we persish and take you down with us, you keep smooth talking us through this bhaichara and shared history/culture crap in the hope that we will give up our fight. That ain't gonna happen, you give us Kashmir first and then we'll see where we go from there.
Except that Pakis have lost all conventional war against us and now post 26/11 it has become hard for them to turn the terrorism tap on again. Right now Pakis are really a frustrated lot. This Paki was just showing his frustration, nothing else.
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@Ramana ^^^

But is this not too defensive and reactive?

What's the offensive aspect (Baluchistan, NA etc). Can we win a game by only electing to field?
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Germany Downplays Terror Threat
German Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière urged calm Monday, saying police and intelligence services have no "concrete evidence" that a terror attack is imminent.
Over the weekend, the U.S. State Department issued a travel alert advising Americans to show vigilance when traveling to Europe. The warning, which cited heightened concerns about a potential al Qaeda attack in the region, was prompted by an accumulation of what U.S. officials described as credible intelligence pointing to a possible attack on European targets in countries including the U.K., France or Germany. The advisory followed a recent increase :lol: in U.S. drone attacks against suspected militants in the border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Germany hasn't raised its terrorism alert level—which has been at "high abstract threat" for some time—despite the growing concerns.
One intelligence official said the decisions to issue the alerts were based in part on the bureaucratic need to "be on record with an alert to the threat" rather than a belief that a threat is imminent
I think Pakis have been had. But I also feel that the whole oirope threat warnings ware a major media diversion from Chine-EU going tarrel and deepel.
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A_Gupta wrote:Question - the run of attacks on NATO supplies through Pakistan starting since last Friday - are they because of the NATO helicopters that violated Pakistani airspace and killed some security personnel? Or is the NATO incident merely a coincidence and the Taliban were planning these attacks all along?
These are stupid tactics of low level ISI officers to put indirect pressure, but it has opposite effect.

(a) First US only pays for what is delivered at AFG border. Anything lost in Transit is TSP problem. They are cutting their own legs as usual.
(b) It's only proving to rest of world how much ISI controls the terrorists and there is just one global enemy which is TSPA.

Pretty soon TSPA is going to make a mistake resulting in some nasty daisy cutters being dropped on camps.
Just 12 of those are needed on Muridke to wipe out 75 acres.
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anupmisra wrote:
I wish Indians in general (present company excepted, of course) would grow up and grow out of their 63 years of stupor thinking that one day the two people would reunite. That time has passed. The pakis dont want it and neither should we. I know no right thinking muslim (and I know several hard working middle class families) in India who wants that. Why should the rest of the people wish for it? Beats the heck out of me.
I hope you didnt see the part during the CWG opening ceremonies where the puki delegation gets a "raucous welcome" in the words of the TV commentator. We have a short term memory. Hopefully more and more pukis like Hanif will force us to change our minds!
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anupmisra wrote: The thirteen teams that will participate in the tournament are, Peshawar Panthers, Multan Tigers, Lahore Lions ,Quetta Bears, Sialkot Stallions, Rawalpindi Rams, Karachi Zebras, Faisalabad Wolves, Islamabad Leopards, Abbottabad Falcons, Karachi Dolphins, Lahore Eagles, and Hyderabad Hawks.
Just thinking out loud what future team names would be? One could be Jacobabad Drones :rotfl: once they take to field all tableegis will run for cover.
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Dusting off the old BRF saying of “ Jo Lahore mein G*ndu, woh Italy mein bhi g*ndu “, Pakistani‘s spreading Pakistaniyat in Italy with a spot of stoning a spouse to death:

Pakistani man stones wife in Italy
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Maintaining the cultural traditions.
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Satya_anveshi wrote:SPIEGEL Interview with Mushrat
From the interview,
SPIEGEL: Is there anything that you regret -- for example, your secret Kargil Operation, which led to an armed conflict with India in 1999, your arbitrary changes to Pakistan's constitution, your dismissal of the country's highest judge, the lack of concern for Benazir Bhutto's life after her return or your oft-criticized mild treatment of religious militants?

Musharraf: The West blames Pakistan for everything. Nobody asks the Indian prime minister, Why did you arm your country with a nuclear weapon? Why are you killing innocent civilians in Kashmir? Nobody was bothered that Pakistan got split in 1971 because of India's military backing for Bangladesh (which declared independence from Pakistan that year). The United States and Germany gave statements, but they didn't mean anything. Everybody is interested in strategic deals with India, but Pakistan is always seen as the rogue.

SPIEGEL: A German member of the militant Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, 36-year-old Ahmad Sidiqi, who has been held by US forces in Afghanistan since July, allegedly told his American interrogators that he was trained in Pakistan and confessed there were plans to attack Europe. Why, nine years after 9/11, does Pakistan remain a breeding ground for international terrorism?

Musharraf:
We poisoned Pakistani civil society for 10 years when we fought the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s.
Look at the answer Musharraf gives when asked about the decisions he might regret. He talks only about India all the time in that answer. He displays the characteristic woodenhead that one usually associates with Pakistanis when he asks counter questions on Indian nukes, the 1971 war etc. which are irrelevant to the question asked. Again, he s bothered about India's relationships with other nations rather than on his own country's miserable existence. All that plagues Pakistan are displayed in ample measure by this ex Pakistani CEO-cum President-cum General-cum COAS. Pathetic.

Then he contradicts himself. While he talks of the 'Afghan jihad having poisoned the Pakistani mind', he had earlier justified using terror as a legitimate weapon by Pakistan to "promote its own interests when India is not prepared to discuss Kashmir". Simply pathetic.
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anupmisra wrote:
Alright, here's my rant for the day.

First of all, what dumbass invited this idiot and why?
I am certain Shashi Tharoor was involved and I am glad this Hanif guy got under Tharoor's skin. Tharoor and Hanif are like peas in a pod - the slightly supercilious 21st century brown sahibs who are sneering at things Indian. Tharoor probably expected that Hanif would be "just like me" and perhaps imagined that IndiaPakistan would be one. Hanif deserves credit for disliking "Indic thoughts" as much as Tharoor and still telling Tharoor that he disagrees. I know Tharoor's history from his college days. He was as full of emptiness then as he is now.
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SSridhar ji,

I liked the tone of the questions in that interview rather than answers and it appears that there are no follow up questions. They get his bile for an answer and leave it at that even when the answer does not even address half of the question.
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Cosmo_R wrote:@Ramana ^^^

But is this not too defensive and reactive?

What's the offensive aspect (Baluchistan, NA etc). Can we win a game by only electing to field?

First one has to defend and then think of offense.

Usual Indian response to plans to go to moon is why not Mars! First do what you can in your realm of things.
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anupmisra wrote: Rawalpindi Rams
I see the work of a RAA agent there :rotfl: "Karachi Krishnas" would have completely given it away. Rawalpindi Rams are probably more palatable :P
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Obama's wars Book review 2/2
First general impressions and then India centric view:

Okay, I am done with the rest of the book. Overall the book is about an intellectual, cold, calculating President who knows how to wield power, not get awed or taken in by his Army or intelligence agencies, ask sharp probing questions and rein in his own military. If one incident summarizes the book, it is this: After months of deliberations and nine rounds of grueling strategy reviews, the NSC agrees on a troop level of 30,000. Obama is ready to draft his order when Pentagon and Gates come back with "pending requests" of 4500 support troops and 10% leeway on the 30,000.

Obama erupts. Dictates a 5 page terms sheet clearly laying down the objectives and the numbers so that nobody -- not the vast Armed forces bureaucracy at the Pentagon or the overeager generals get any leeway in "interpreting" his orders in whatever ways they please. (by the way the 5 page terms sheet is worth reproducing here, it clearly lays down US objectives, time lines and force levels in A'stan. I will see if I can scan it from the book).

While such hands on, intellectual and probing President is quite remarkable, what I feel is that this exercise is only as good as its participants. On the one hand, there is Hillary whose loyalty is suspect. Then there is Gates, who is committed to leaving his job in 2011, well before Obama's re-election. Then there is Petraeus, who is media savvy and comes across as a military man who views civilians as unavoidable nuisance. There is Adm Mullen who is stuck in a peculiar place. As chairman of JCSC he is the senior most military officer tasked to advise the President. But since Chief of JCSC is not in the operational chain of command (it flows from the Defense secretary directly to theater commanders and from there to combat commanders), he is more of a figurehead than a soldier. Add to that his tendency to overrule other Chiefs of Staff. In short, after several rounds of gruelling discussions among people who lack imagination, pursue their own agenda and regurgitate operational plans on autopilot, Obama is presented with only one real option. the other two "alternatives" are unrealistic -- 85,000 troops (not available) and 10,000 advisors (surely leading to a Taliban takeover) -- which brings it back to square one -- the original McChrystal recommendation.

Now from an India centric viewpoint. First, what can we expect will happen in Afghanistan?

The rest of the book is a painstaking detail of how the scope and involvement of the US in Afghanistan has been drastically reduced after several rounds of meetings. US seems to have come around to the view that a "Taliban defeat" is a virtual impossibility. For example, Petraeus says:
We are not going to defeat the taliban, but we do need to deny them access to key population areas and lines of communication to contain them.
If at all the operation ends on a high note, it will be after Kandahar is secured.
According to some intelligence analysis, Kandahar was susceptible to a mass uprising that might resemble the 1968 tet offensive in Vietnam...Watch Kandahar, the intelligence warned. It could be more important than Kabul.
After which US troops begin to make their exit.

Next, what is in store for India?

Indians should read this book and WAKE UP!! I feel that the book says only one part of the story. It starts off grandly with Obama declaring:
We need to make clear to people that the cancer is in Pakistan. Obama said. The reason we are doing the target, train and transfer in Afghanistan is so the cancer doesnt spread there.
But then devolves into
The consensus inside the intelligence community was that Afghanistan would not get straightened out until there was a stable relationship between Pakistan and India. A more mature and less combustible relationship between the two longtime adversaries was more important than building Afghanistan, Lavoy said
This reminds me of a story of a man who loses his ring at home, and searches for it in the street, because there is better streetlight there. But this is more sinister than that:
There was another side to the tough talk. As a result of nearly endless policy discussions in the White House, Jones (National Security Advisor), Donilon (Deputy NSA), Lute (Senior advisor for AfPak) and others had repeatedly asked: How are we going to get these guys in Pakistan to Change? For the moment, they knew that this was the wrong question. Pakistan was not going to change. The Pakistanis were hardwired against India. Lets quit banging our heads against the wall and accept it...Pakistan would be at such a disadvantage in a conventional war....that it had relied on two asymmetric tools -- proxy terrorism through LeT and threat of nuclear weapons....Jones tried to convey to them (Pakistanis): We've come to the conclusion that after years of trying, we're not going to change your strategic calculus. It's yours. We accept it and want to understand it better. You get to be Pakistanis in this relationship, while we get to be the Americans. We're not going to try to be both.
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vic wrote:I think we can easily say that Sept has turned into Drone a day for Pakis. The point is whether US attacks have stuck to traditional areas or they have ventured deeper. Some informed BRite may please comment?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan
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Paaki author

Reading Woodward in Karachi

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... in_karachi

. The public knows full well that the monster of extremism is an intergenerational challenge, one that will require careful and assiduous attention. Anti-American hatred, on the other hand, is fueled by a simpler narrative. There is no ideological commitment or religious fervor that fuels the Pakistani public's anti-Americanism. Nor is there a particularly civilizational flavor to it. Pakistani anti-Americanism comes from a sustained narrative in which Pakistan is the undignified and humiliated recipient of U.S. financial support -- provided at the expense of Pakistani blood. This may not be reflective of the intentions of Obama's war, but it is reflective of the outcome of this war on main street in Pakistan. And perception is reality.

One of the most telling accounts in the book is of Husain Haqqani, the Pakistani ambassador to the United States, trying to explain to members of the Obama administration how to engage with Pakistan. After trying a number of analogies, the unflappable Haqqani finally just lays it out plainly, "Give us a little bit of respect. Don't humiliate us publicly."
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Post by Singha »

seems to be a serious attack ongoing and attempt to head it off.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oc ... s-pakistan

American missiles fired from an umanned drone killed eight militants of German nationality in northwest Pakistan, a region known to be a base for training terrorists, it was reported tonight. They were killed when two missiles from a suspected CIA pilotless aircraft hit a mosque in Mirali in North Waziristan, according to Pakistani intelligence officials.

The strikes follow fresh warnings of terror attacks by the US and UK and reports that an Afghan-born German, Ahmad Sidiqi, said to be one of Germany's most dangerous "homegrown terrorists", supplied intelligence during interrogation by the US at Bagram jail outside Kabul. According to German media, Sidiqi, who attended the same mosque in Hamburg as some 9/11 attackers, told the Americans of plans to launch a series of spectacular attacks in Europe, with Britain and France named as possible targets.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Pakistan Goes Rogue

What the sole footnote in Bob Woodward's Obama's Wars tells us about Europe's growing fears of a terrorist attack.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... goes_rogue
An unusual footnote in Bob Woodward's Obama's Wars sheds light on where responsibility for such an attack might originate. Indeed, it is the only footnote in the whole book.

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However, the U.S. intelligence community would apparently revise this assessment because there, at the bottom of page 46 of Woodward's book, are the words: "The CIA later received reliable intelligence that the ISI was directly involved in the training for Mumbai."

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Saikat Datta, writing this week in Outlook India, described the Pakistani terrorist organizations responsible for the Mumbai attacks as "a parallel state run with quiet and ruthless efficiency by the ISI."

The Indians have a point -- and when they read Woodward's footnote, they will be even more convinced. With U.S. officials having originally assured New Delhi that the Mumbai attacks were not sanctioned by Islamabad, thereby averting Indian military retaliation, it is unclear whether they told their Indian counterparts of their revised view or left it for them to read in Woodward's book.

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But that doesn't mean that the United States can afford to ignore the growing chaos in South Asia. When Bruce Riedel, the former CIA analyst who conducted the Afghanistan and Pakistan strategy review for the White House, briefed Obama on Air Force One, aside from another 9/11 traceable to Pakistan or a jihadi government in Islamabad, the "third bad thing" he said he feared was another Pakistani attack on India, "either directly or indirectly, Mumbai redux." The next attack would provoke an Indian military response, "and that means you are talking about the potential for nuclear war."
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/295789-2

C-SPAN | Washington Journal

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OUR QUESTION FOR YOU THIS MORNING, IS PAKISTAN A RELIABLE PARTNER? NOW WAS PAKISTAN'S AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED STATES, REFLECTING ON HOW PAKISTAN NEE --...
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Faizal Shezad, the Time Square bomber to be sentenced today. The Daughter of Pakistan got 86 years, let's see how much the Son of Pakistan gets. My guess is its going to be another lifer.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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^^^ Subsequently the Pakis will ask for an honourable deportation of the convict.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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The Paki tribe's popularity increaseth by the day! They now have taken a leaf out of the chronicles of ancient Rome.

Pakistani woman killed in Italy over arranged marriage

A Pakistani woman has died in Italy after her husband beat her with a brick for opposing the arranged marriage of her daughter, triggering a wave of outrage among Italian politicians on Monday.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... riage.html
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Pratyush wrote:^^^ Subsequently the Pakis will ask for an honourable deportation of the convict.
After a choreographed burning of the US flag and some son-et-lumiere on the streets of 'pindi and LaWhore including a couple of common abduls attaining martyrdom, Gila-nahi will implore the US to release both the quam kay beta and beti, and as a good measure, demand that the US transfers the drone technology as well. All all all, a typical day in the life of porkistan.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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^^^ That goes without saying, what needs prediction is how many abduls will get their 72.
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