Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 10:22

Yest,
Poulomi and Shamini defeated CWG and World TT champions. and defeated Chinese Australian teams by 3-2. All the players were of chinese origins!!!

Scottish teams lost in Badminotn singles and double events. Scottish teams were coached world champion chinese coach!!!

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 10:39

Most of the medals are awarded in Swimming and Athletics in both CWG and Olympics. around 114 out of 271 gold medals in CWG are in these two sports. desi guys will have to concentrate in these areas to become number one in future. des is doin very good in select sports viz., shooting, wrestling, badminton, weight lifting, archery, tennis. Not very impressive in athlete events, swimming, cycling, javelin, discus, shotput, hammer throws and gymnastics.

CWG 2010 gold Medals to win where desi sportspersons need to concentrate

Swimming = 56
Athletics = 52
Gymnastics = 19
Cycling = 18

Where Desi guys are strong
Shooting = 36
Wrestling =21
Weigt lifting = 17

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 10:58

Hitesh wrote:England is tied with India. But remember that they separated Wales, Scotland, and Isle of Man from England. So if it was just UK, UK would be ahead of India. So we still have a long way to go.

As on date:
England = 5 Gold
Scotland = 1 Gold
Total = 6

India Total Gold = 11

It is extremely tough to even qualify for CWG in india then the above group UKstan or elsewhere.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Oct 2010 11:05

murugan ji, not to forget boxing and archery !

our women's team won bronze in compound event, which is a new event for us, so very creditable.
2 of women in wrestling finals, so at least silver assured.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 11:26

yes!

10.42 Wrestler Geeta is assured of a silver as she enters 55kg freestyle final, the Indian proved too hot for Nigeria's Lovina

10.40 Geeta makes a comeback against Lovina in women's wrestling, final round in progress

10.35 Another medal on the way! Grappler Nirmala Devi sails into 48kg freestyle final

10.25 First archery medal for hosts. India beats Malaysia to win bronze medal in women's archery team compound

added later:

11.45 Chetan Anand leads Snider in men's singles team badminton
11.23 Jwala-Diju in mixed doubles badminton semifinal

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 11:40

Hurraaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

Indian shooters Vijay Kumar and Gurpreet Singh bag the first gold medal of the day after winning the 25m Rapid Fire Pistol (pairs) event

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 07 Oct 2010 11:43

No.12 in the bag then.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Oct 2010 11:46

which event ? I'm guessing men's rapid fire pistols ?

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 11:50

Chetan Anand wins men's singles team badminton quarters

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 11:53

My humble observation:

desh and deshi sportsperson are very good at the sports where less movement is required aka sthiti: shooting, archery, boxing, wrestling, weight lifting and indoor games like tennis, badminton etc.

while videshis especially goras of aus and ukstan are good at the sports which require lots of movement aka gati, viz., running, jumping, pole vaults, cycling, swimming, gymnastics etc.

deshis are good at sthiti sports
videshis are good at gati sports

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Oct 2010 11:58

Is this report true? Simply shocking.Bhanot's statement too.Yes,"Abdul Kalam Azad,Prince Diana..",are just some of Kalmadi's bloomers.

Lalit Bhanot, Commonwealth Games Organising Committee spokesman, said it had not offered any assistance because it was a matter for the building contractor. “We have been so busy conducting the event and this is just one unfortunate thing,” he said.

Commonwealth Games 2010: injured labourer abandoned
The family of a Commonwealth Games worker left in a coma when a footbridge collapsed said the Indian government had abandoned them after his doctor revealed he will die.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... doned.html

Shashi Mohan Kumar, a 22 year old labourer from Bihar, one of India’s poorest states, was working night shifts to complete a footbridge in time for the Games opening when it collapsed, leaving 27 workers seriously injured and Mr Kumar in a coma with severe brain injuries.

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The incident raised concerns that the Indian government might not complete construction work in time for the Games and heightened safety fears among athletes. But the fate of the injured workers has since been forgotten.

Despite a visit from Delhi’s chief minister and a promise that he would be cared for, The Daily Telegraph found Mr Kumar lying unconscious in a government hospital. His 18 year old brother who does not have a job said he had been left to pay for his medicines.

Balkrishan Sahu said not a single Commonwealth Games or government official had been to visit. Until the accident, Mr Kumar was supporting both his brother and their elderly father with his labourer’s wages of £1.70 per day.

Dr Ajay Singh, Mr Kumar’s doctor at the All India Institute of Medical Science (AIIMS), said he had a “50-50” chance of survival while in hospital but will die when he returns to his village in Muzzafarpur district in Bihar.

“In the village, he has no chance, he will die,” he said. If he survives 15 days from his admission he could be sent back to his village. Once released, his breathing and feeding tubes will need to be cleaned every three hours, and it will be impossible to keep his wounds clean or stop a fatal infection, he added.

The family will face high medicine charges. A compensation cheque of £4,200 for his injuries will only cover drug charges for ten weeks. However, Mr Kumar’s brother has not been able to cash the cheque because the family does not have a bank account.

“We’re all alone and no one is helping. I feel upset that they celebrated the opening with fireworks. My family is suffering because of the Games.

“If I have to resort to begging to support him, I’ll do it because he has done so much for me,” he said.

Delhi’s Labour minister Mangat Ram Singhal, said Mr Kumar’s family would receive an additional 250,000 Rupees (£3,500) if he dies, and that a pension might be possible.
PS:However,India is not a lost case despite the Games fiasco.Read this understanding article in the Economist.

http://www.economist.com/node/17147648? ... ndNewsSite

India's surprising economic miracle
The country’s state may be weak, but its private companies are strong
Sep 30th 2010

Xcpts:
HORRIBLE toilets. Stagnant puddles buzzing with dengue-spreading mosquitoes. Collapsing masonry. Lax security. A terrorist attack. India’s preparations for the 72-nation Commonwealth games, which are scheduled to open in Delhi on October 3rd, have not won favourable reviews. “Commonfilth”, was one of the kinder British tabloid headlines. At best—assuming that the organisers make a last-minute dash to spruce things up—the Delhi games will be remembered as a shambles. The contrast with China’s practically flawless hosting of the Olympic games in 2008 could hardly be starker. Many people will draw the wrong lesson from this.

A big sporting event, some people believe, tells you something important about the nation that hosts it. Efficient countries build tip-top stadiums and make the shuttle buses run on time. That India cannot seem to do any of these things suggests that it will always be a second-rate power.

Or does it? Despite the headlines, India is doing rather well. Its economy is expected to expand by 8.5% this year. It has a long way to go before it is as rich as China—the Chinese economy is four times bigger—but its growth rate could overtake China’s by 2013, if not before (see article). Some economists think India will grow faster than any other large country over the next 25 years. Rapid growth in a country of 1.2 billion people is exciting, to put it mildly.

People Power.
There are two reasons why India will soon start to outpace China. One is demography. China’s workforce will shortly start ageing; in a few years’ time, it will start shrinking. That’s because of its one-child policy—an oppressive measure that no Indian government would get away with. Indira Gandhi tried something similar in the 1970s, when she called a state of emergency and introduced a forced-sterilisation programme. There was an uproar of protest. Democracy was restored and coercive population policies were abandoned. India is now blessed with a young and growing workforce. Its dependency ratio—the proportion of children and old people to working-age adults—is one of the best in the world and will remain so for a generation. India’s economy will benefit from this “demographic dividend”, which has powered many of Asia’s economic miracles.

The second reason for optimism is India’s much-derided democracy.....

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 07 Oct 2010 12:03

[quote="Murugan"]My humble observation:
desh and deshi sportsperson are very good at the sports where less movement is required aka sthiti: shooting, archery, boxing, wrestling, weight lifting and indoor games like tennis, badminton etc.
while videshis especially goras of aus and ukstan are good at the sports which require lots of movement aka gati, viz., running, jumping, pole vaults, cycling, swimming, gymnastics etc.
deshis are good at sthiti sports
videshis are good at gati sports[/quote]

or you can say that desis are good in sports that require lesser area
running, jumping, pole vaults, cycling, swimming all require bigger sanitised area of play.
am i onto something? nah!

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 12:08

spot on!

This difference is because of genes or resources? most probably due to resources at disposal. one requires big set up for gati sports and lots a money. these goras have more money after exploting non-gora common wealth nations.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 07 Oct 2010 12:13

So we can expect SDREs to come on top in gati games also quite soon if Indian kids get access to stadium and open fields.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Oct 2010 12:22

most of the kids these days although much tall compared to a couple decades ago, are quite skinny and not very muscular. maybe it fashion, maybe its lack
of time spent in hard strength sports.

eg. take the NPS schools in blr - darling of the itvity set - only sons and daughters of the rich and determined-to-get-into-JEE are welcome there. in
indiranagar campus which houses probably 1500 students they have a single small field, in koramangala campus there is no field but 500+ students and in
HSR layout campus also afaik there is no field. a student says they play indoor games like chess during tiffin time. these guys are rolling in money, could
they not have setup atleast their new campus a bit outside the city and balance academics with sports.

so long as being fit and playing sports is seen as slacking off from the JEE hunt, india will always languish near the bottom of heap in any physical sport.
and the effects on future generations from lack of sports in youth are well known - earlier and more lifestyle diseases.

if you compare retired army officers and the usual ITvity munna you will note the difference in physical conditioning.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Oct 2010 12:42

some sports are clearly genetics dominated, e.g. 100 and 200m sprints (west african physique is suited), long distance running (east african physique), the northern european physique seems somehow well adapted to swimming - apparently less density than west africans but similar muscle strength required
if you look at qureshi - the fastest Indian sprinter yesterday, he is very SDRE (well, not D!) compared to the carribbean and african sprinters TFTA's (well, not F!), that difference in bulk and musculature will be difficult for an Indian physique to make up - for sprint events
middle distance we should still have a good chance - manjit kaur looked very strong in the 400m, though i fear she had to work hard to win her heat and in the finals the big girls are going to put in their full effort and possibly over stretch her

from what i recall, the IOC had decided to concentrate on the core sports (shooting, weightlifting, etc.) for development first, which seems to be paying off. in time, the other sports will also improve

first of all we need a change of sports culture in India - i'd like to see dhoni et al, promoting athletics and swimming, etc.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 07 Oct 2010 13:17

Whats the "Organising Committee" Doing? Everyday new issues , hainji?

Condoms clog CWG athletes' village toilets

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 13:29

Desi bahen Jhuma Khatun clocks her personal best timing to qualify for the women’s 1500m final

Somdev in men's singles semifinal with a straight set win over Kiwi Rubin

Rushmi Chakravarthi downs England’s Katie O'Brien with a 6-1, 6-7, 7-5 win

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 13:32

jagga wrote:Whats the "Organising Committee" Doing? Everyday new issues , hainji?
Condoms clog CWG athletes' village toilets

This types of news are DDM conspiracy to move people away from sports events and concentrate on useless trivia.

amit · Post by **amit** » 07 Oct 2010 13:34

jagga wrote:Whats the "Organising Committee" Doing? Everyday new issues , hainji?
Condoms clog CWG athletes' village toilets

There's a para in this report which is a keeper!

While sex is not a Commonwealth Games sport, it seems to be an activity in the Games Village, more than 7,000 athletes, all of whom are in great shape and with plenty of free time at their disposal once knocked out of their respective events.

So the athletes who win go to bed with just their gold medals?

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 13:37

Lalmohan wrote:some sports are clearly genetics dominated, e.g. 100 and 200m sprints (west african physique is suited), long distance running (east african physique), the northern european physique seems somehow well adapted to swimming - apparently less density than west africans but similar muscle strength required
if you look at qureshi - the fastest Indian sprinter yesterday, he is very SDRE (well, not D!) compared to the carribbean and african sprinters TFTA's (well, not F!), that difference in bulk and musculature will be difficult for an Indian physique to make up - for sprint events
middle distance we should still have a good chance - manjit kaur looked very strong in the 400m, though i fear she had to work hard to win her heat and in the finals the big girls are going to put in their full effort and possibly over stretch her

from what i recall, the IOC had decided to concentrate on the core sports (shooting, weightlifting, etc.) for development first, which seems to be paying off. in time, the other sports will also improve

first of all we need a change of sports culture in India - i'd like to see dhoni et al, promoting athletics and swimming, etc.

May be also because of diet and living conditions, geography and atmosphere.

Our sports ministry earlier in late eighties decided to promote area sports which has not gone so far. It was proposed to train swimmers from Bengal and Kerala, archers from manipur and nagaland, weightlifter from punjab, runners from maharashtra and rajasthan etc. Interestingly Vijay Merchant once suggested cricket board to train hunters of certain areas as fast bowlers, which was laughed at and never taken seriously.

In kenya and ethiopia where less resources are at disposal, marathon and long run - say 10000 metres where these two countries are winning gold medals since last 5-6 olympics. It would be difficult to build and maintain a swimming pool in such poor commonwealth exploited nations.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 13:51

And also looking at the previous olympic record pre 1984, these marathons and long runs were won by US of A and other gora countries continuously. African and carrabean nations started participating when they could afford tickets to olympic venues.

The short duration upto 800 - 2000 metres and various hurdles races were dominated by USA and England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ol ... tics_(men)

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Oct 2010 13:57

Kalmadi must've forgotten about the wastebin for the toliets and the "marital athletes" would've popped the baloons into the WCs.What a missed opportunity for Kalmadi to have made a killing here,wordering goldplated condom friendly wastebins at let's say 10K apiece!

But every games tamasha,whether it is the Olympics,etc. has a massive amount of marital exercise going on.These fine specimens of humanity all charged up and a raring to go have to let off steam in steamy exercising,what?!

Here's another report on bugs in the pool,or did they catch the infamous "Delhi Belly" from the food court?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/oc ... rs-illness

Commonwealth Games 2010: English swimmers hit by stomach bug• English and Australian swimmers struck down with virus
• 'If there is something unsafe, you cannot swim in that water'

Positive news:

On the positive side, the organising committee chief, Suresh Kalmadi, said 125,000 tickets had been sold for future events. Next week's rugby sevens tournament is sold out, as is the remainder of the swimming, 80% of the tennis and 90% of the boxing semi-finals and finals.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Oct 2010 13:58

cycling might be another long term sport for us
right now however, we were thrashed by northern ireland to lose the bronze slot in the mens team pursuit a few minutes ago
the IG velodrome is by all accounts excellent - hopefully we can use that as the core for future training, the malaysians have shown that it can be done

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 14:03

Philip wrote:...
Here's another report on bugs in the pool,or did they catch the infamous "Delhi Belly" from the food court?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/oc ... rs-illness

Commonwealth Games 2010: English swimmers hit by stomach bug• English and Australian swimmers struck down with virus
• 'If there is something unsafe, you cannot swim in that water'

safe water is entering european mainland. they will be able to swim safely in this pure water:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69415O20101007

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 14:06

mean while henry paul bug is gonna bite kiwis harder

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 14:12

This may be OT but if the insult our Sheila Mausi then

what about this:

how come people don’t cackle and point at Canadian folkie Bruce Cockburn?
Why is Dickshit so much funnier than Dick Hyman

Mr Dong Suk Yuk, of the speech information processing lab at the Department of Computer Science, Korea University.

André L. Tits, a bearded professor who lectured in electrical engineering at the Institute for Systems Research but, to his relief, had no need for a bra

And you recall anyone making fun of big Aussie Rules footballer Gary Sidebottom?

American basketballer Randy Duck

Did anyone ever snicker at Dick Van Dyke. When he wasn't clowning around, I mean.

What about “homeowner”, Mike Litoris, photographed but not geographically located on the web (and who could blame him) or hotel manager Randy Bumgardner who was able to deal with the Japanese Prime Minister without anyone bursting into guffaws.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 14:14

Men's compund team archery semifinal between India and South Africa in progress

James B · Post by **James B** » 07 Oct 2010 14:27

Indian Men and Women's Archery teams in finals. So, two medals (gold/silver) are guaranteed.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Oct 2010 14:32

india beat sa, in finals with england

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 14:33

Singha wrote:most of the kids these days although much tall compared to a couple decades ago, are quite skinny and not very muscular. maybe it fashion, maybe its lack
of time spent in hard strength sports.

like truck drivers of old time who drove SDRE steerings and heavy gear sticks with heavy bodies and long moustache and lanky undernourished indisciplined truck drivers of the modern power steering era.

wild birds and animals living in challenging conditions are having stronger bones, muscles and size compared to birds/animals living in less challenged and trying condition which are shorter and weaker.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 14:46

i love these yinidan way of overpowering

http://ibnlive.in.com/photogallery/2549 ... rom=sports

http://ibnlive.in.com/photogallery/2549 ... rom=sports

James B · Post by **James B** » 07 Oct 2010 15:02

Akhil Kumar has just whacked a Paki by 7-0 in boxing. This guy has very sharp reflexes.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 15:08

mary kom gonna fight in this games?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Oct 2010 15:22

india edged out of gold by england in archery by 2 points - very close

Gaurav_S · Post by **Gaurav_S** » 07 Oct 2010 15:26

Murugan wrote:My humble observation:

desh and deshi sportsperson are very good at the sports where less movement is required aka sthiti: shooting, archery, boxing, wrestling, weight lifting and indoor games like tennis, badminton etc.

while videshis especially goras of aus and ukstan are good at the sports which require lots of movement aka gati, viz., running, jumping, pole vaults, cycling, swimming, gymnastics etc.

deshis are good at sthiti sports
videshis are good at gati sports

OZ, Brits etc are TFTA unlike SDRE's. Most aussies are good swimmers not only due to their physique but lot depends on their surrounding too. Oz's are surrounded by water and thus their activities include lot of water activities like swimming and surfing. Even if GoI offers world class sporting infrastructure it will be difficult for poor SDRE's to win in events like swimming and cycling requiring extra physical stamina and strenght to win.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Oct 2010 15:28

more importantly TFTA nations also have extensive club, regional and national competitions which encourage sporting excellence
that same level is not there in India, which means there is HUGE future potential waiting to be realised

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 15:55

Gaurav_S wrote:
Murugan wrote:My humble observation:

desh and deshi sportsperson are very good at the sports where less movement is required aka sthiti: shooting, archery, boxing, wrestling, weight lifting and indoor games like tennis, badminton etc.

while videshis especially goras of aus and ukstan are good at the sports which require lots of movement aka gati, viz., running, jumping, pole vaults, cycling, swimming, gymnastics etc.

deshis are good at sthiti sports
videshis are good at gati sports
OZ, Brits etc are TFTA unlike SDRE's. Most aussies are good swimmers not only due to their physique but lot depends on their surrounding too. Oz's are surrounded by water and thus their activities include lot of water activities like swimming and surfing. Even if GoI offers world class sporting infrastructure it will be difficult for poor SDRE's to win in events like swimming and cycling requiring extra physical stamina and strenght to win.

we have deeper and larger water bodies in UP, Bihar, Bengal, Kerala, Maharashtra, Assam than australia have. But have very few olympic size pools and coaches who can train deserving people to western and olympic standards. Stamina is not an issue. No body ever thought in dream of their dreams whether poorly nourished ethiopian will win marathons olympic medals.

It is all about opportunities, will and resources' availability.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 07 Oct 2010 16:16

Can a wrestler complain if his opponent has foul body odour?
I am surprised the white Pakis havent resorted to this to excuse to explain their losses

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Oct 2010 16:18

major shootoff going on in clay pidgeon between 2 indians and isle of man for silver and bronze