Commonwealth Games-New Delhi 2010

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 07 Oct 2010 16:20

Kenyan and Ethiopian athletes could not perform in events below 10000 metres, neither in steeple chase, pentathlon or decathlon or hurdles but always managed gold in 10000 metres and almost all marathons in recently held olympics.

From seoul olympics 1988 onward Kenya is consitenly increasing their medal tally in 800 metres, 1500 metres. Ethiopia and kenya are doing very well in 5000 metres, 10000 metres and marathon also right from 1988 olympics. It is strange why they were nowhere before 1988. But post 1988 it is almost consisten performance. These areas were dominated by TFTA goras only till 1988.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Oct 2010 16:26

india wins silver (sodhi), loses out on bronze, nohria comes 4th (clay pidgeon)

James B · Post by **James B** » 07 Oct 2010 16:56

Women's Table Tennis team in final by defeating England in semi-finals by 3-0.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Oct 2010 17:02

nirmala devi loses out on gold in women's wrestling.

James B · Post by **James B** » 07 Oct 2010 17:23

2 more golds - one in 25m pairs pistol shooting (Gurmeet Singh and Onkar Singh) and another in 55kg wrestling by Geeta.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Oct 2010 18:16

crowd were really behind mandeep kaur in the 400m semi finals, she came 4th - good running
slightly confusing with both mandeep and manjeet kaur in the same event!

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 07 Oct 2010 18:25

Kenya + Ethiopia train in the Ethiopian high lands at ~ 10,000 feet high. When they come to sea level they are literally super human. This is a competitive advantage they discovered and exploited for a while. Other countries, esp. those with high lands have caught one and they not as dominant any more.

But seriously guys there is nothing wrong with our genes. You come down to Nagercoil and take a look at my family and we are all TDRE.

. Uncles and cousins are 6'-5"+ and built like Athletic Africans. Take a look a Indians from the West Indies, esp. the athletic ones and they have turn into TDRE. It is all a question of good balanced diet and exercise for several generations. Esp. the health of pregnant women.

I can not stress this enough. If you want to be tall race watch the diet of your women, esp from their birth to children.

I used to think there might be 'pedigree errors' to turn my family into TDRE but I've had myself and a couple of cousins genetically tested and there are no 'errors'. We are all 100% Indian, in fact share our identical genes with 25% of the male population. So 25% of our population has potential to be 6'+ and yet is not. If TFTA genes means athletic strength how come the Brahmins in India are not big and strong. And yes they are genetically of European stock, one branch of the Poland, Germany and Spain genes.

Shocks me how strong and healthy young folk look today. Reminds one of how deprived we were, to turn into SDRE. Give it a generation or two more and yes, a lot more Olympic sized pools.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Oct 2010 18:26

mandeep is through to final as fastest loser, manjeet did not qualify

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Oct 2010 18:42

Complaints and counters to the pool "bug" allegations.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/oc ... elhi-belly

Commonwealth Games 2010: Tom Daley unfazed by reports of 'Delhi belly'• Daley touches down in Delhi ahead of diving competition
• Around 8% of English competitors have had problems
• Get all the latest from the Games with our live blog
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Andy Bull guardian.co.uk, Thursday 7 October 2010

Commonwealth Games Federation president Michael Fennell confirms an investigation into the stomach bug outbreak
Link to this video

Tom Daley touched down in Delhi yesterday, insisting in his welcome press conference that he had no worries about the stomach sickness that has affected so many athletes at the Commonwealth Games. "Around 8% of England's entire team of 541 competitors have suffered from some form of gastro problem," confirmed the chef de mission Craig Hunter, "most of them lasted only 24 hours."

One English athlete, who Hunter refused to name, was taken to hospital for further tests, but is now said to be recovering well.

"Obviously I have read all the stories in the newspapers," said Daley, "but once we got here everything was great. My impression is that everything is clean, the food is great and the security is tight, I think it has been great so far." Daley has only been in the Games Village 24 hours. Rebecca Adlington was similarly optimistic when she was settling into her accommodation, but last night she tweeted "Now Delhi belly please go away!" and "Hoping I feel better tomorrow though, not flash at the min!"

Adlington's team-mate Fran Halsall was so badly affected that she has been on a bread and water diet while trying to compete in four different events. Adlington will be hoping that her performance in the 800m freestyle today is not ruined by her illness, which is what happened to Halsall in the 100m freestyle.

"In the last 24-48 hours there have been more swimmers coming down with it," confirmed Hunter. The Australian team have been particularly badly affected, suffering three cases of full gastroenteritis. Two of the Australian team, Andrew Lauterstein and Hayden Stoeckel have had to withdraw from the competition altogether because of severe vomiting and diarrhoea. Serious concerns were raised that it was the water in the either the main or the practice pool that was the cause of the illness.

Today both the English and Australian team wrote to the Games' organising committee requesting clarification over the quality of the water quality. Hunter said that tests had been conducted this morning and assurances given. Things only got worse at the Aquatic complex when the athletes' toilets blocked up and overflowed.

The English hockey team have also been suffering. Hunter suggested that this was because "they are constantly taking their gumshield and it could be something airborne that gets onto their hand". He denied that it was the food in the athletes' village that was to blame, though several of the Australians said that they had only got sick after eating spaghetti bolognese in the village canteen. Asked what the source of the illness was, Hunter only said that "analysis was ongoing".

"I just think everyone has to be careful with their hand gels making sure everything is clean and that they wash their hands a lot," said Daley, "that's just a precaution you have to take in any foreign country."

Hunter, and the Games organisers, will be hoping that Daley is right, because if the problem is eventually traced to either the water in the pool or the food in the village, the Games will have a far more serious problem than anything a little extra soap can fix.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 07 Oct 2010 18:56

Damn india!

What kind of Hockey is india playing? this is a totally different style, not the indian style.
Even in the match against malaysia, the win was a difficult 50-50 win.

Indian pace was blistering in 1st half, but what use? the attacker has no backup player to pass to.
The defence leaves the aussies unmarked, the back of the goal always has atleast 1 unmarked aussie forward.
When Oz attackes, they have 4 players in indian D. When Indian attacks, there is mostly the single attacker in the Oz D.

Indians players huddle close to each other and dont space out, thus denying themselves passing space which the Ozies then choke!

I bought the finals tickets to watch Goras play

Damn Kalmadi! more blame on you!

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 07 Oct 2010 19:00

Complaints and counters to the pool "bug" allegations.

Correlate that with condom use and you will see the reasons for the widespread "bug" limited to gora camps of the village.

This is what DDM should be doing IMO. There are multiple ways to spin this.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 07 Oct 2010 19:12

the india-ghana boxing match is like a brawl! Suronjoy is a delight to watch!

archan · Post by **archan** » 07 Oct 2010 19:17

Lalmohan wrote:some sports are clearly genetics dominated, e.g. 100 and 200m sprints (west african physique is suited), long distance running (east african physique), the northern european physique seems somehow well adapted to swimming - apparently less density than west africans but similar muscle strength required
if you look at qureshi - the fastest Indian sprinter yesterday, he is very SDRE (well, not D!) compared to the carribbean and african sprinters TFTA's (well, not F!), that difference in bulk and musculature will be difficult for an Indian physique to make up - for sprint events
middle distance we should still have a good chance - manjit kaur looked very strong in the 400m, though i fear she had to work hard to win her heat and in the finals the big girls are going to put in their full effort and possibly over stretch her

from what i recall, the IOC had decided to concentrate on the core sports (shooting, weightlifting, etc.) for development first, which seems to be paying off. in time, the other sports will also improve

first of all we need a change of sports culture in India - i'd like to see dhoni et al, promoting athletics and swimming, etc.

I read somewhere that it has to do with the relative position of the navel. People of African origin have the navel a little bit higher up relative to their toes as compared to Caucasians and Asians. It makes their center of gravity higher and apparently due to some mechanics they end up great runners (that too in sprinting mainly, not in long distance) but get no such advantage in swimming where you need to use your upper body for power. People with lower navel positions will end up better swimmers according to that analysis.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Oct 2010 19:23

english womens 100m complaining about aussie winner for making false starts... aussie is shrugging it off!

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 07 Oct 2010 20:40

Latest edition of the Aussie funnies:
Wrestling silver medalist a real fighter

Australia's first ever Commonwealth Games women's wrestling medallist Emily Bensted has an unrivalled fighting spirit, her coach Sam Parker says.

Bensted was aggressive in her 55kg freestyle gold medal bout against India's Geeta, but couldn't put a point on her at the Indira Gandhi complex in Delhi as women's wrestling debuted in the Games on Thursday.

It's ok that you can't score even a point against your opponent, if you have unparalleled fighting spirit.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 Oct 2010 21:00

pakistan also has unrivalled fighting spirit.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 07 Oct 2010 21:38

^^^
http://www.pib.nic.in/release/phsmall.asp?phid=30853
http://www.pib.nic.in/release/phsmall.asp?phid=30854
http://www.pib.nic.in/release/phsmall.asp?phid=30845

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Oct 2010 21:39

you can see the difference in musculature between SFRE and TDTA here

Mandeep Kaur in 400m

very creditable performance though, well done

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 07 Oct 2010 21:46

Haresh wrote:I don't mean to spoil the mood, but what is happening with this guy and his other colleagues ??
Who is looking after them??
What is BR going to do to help them??

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... doned.html

Haresh, I forwarded that link to my MP. His office conveyed back that he has promised to look into it to ensure the chap is taken care of and get back if the family needs more help. I shall follow up again by weekend. Hoping for the best

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 07 Oct 2010 22:10

Theo_Fidel wrote: But seriously guys there is nothing wrong with our genes. You come down to Nagercoil and take a look at my family and we are all TDRE. . Uncles and cousins are 6'-5"+ and built like Athletic Africans. Take a look a Indians from the West Indies, esp. the athletic ones and they have turn into TDRE. It is all a question of good balanced diet and exercise for several generations. Esp. the health of pregnant women.

I can not stress this enough. If you want to be tall race watch the diet of your women, esp from their birth to children.

I used to think there might be 'pedigree errors' to turn my family into TDRE but I've had myself and a couple of cousins genetically tested and there are no 'errors'. We are all 100% Indian, in fact share our identical genes with 25% of the male population. So 25% of our population has potential to be 6'+ and yet is not. If TFTA genes means athletic strength how come the Brahmins in India are not big and strong. And yes they are genetically of European stock, one branch of the Poland, Germany and Spain genes.

Shocks me how strong and healthy young folk look today. Reminds one of how deprived we were, to turn into SDRE. Give it a generation or two more and yes, a lot more Olympic sized pools.

Fidel G to Fidel T : great point on genetic expression vs nutrition. Here in Canada, most of my Indian friends can be clearly distinguished as to who is "fresh off the boat" and who is 2nd generation CBCD. CBCD are on average 2-3 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier. Typical FOB = 5'8" / 75kg vs typical CBCD = 5'11" / 90kg. CBCD average height/weight are virtually the same as goras. Genetic factors are ruled out as the parents (who immigrated from India) are much, much smaller - no different from any average senior citizen in India.

Same for the Chinese in the West - SFRE parents, and TFRE sons (and busty, curvy daughters

).

So the Indian genes do allow for size, its just a question of nutrition. If general nutrition levels improve, especially for pregnant women and young kids, the next generation in India will be significantly larger. But this has to be across most of the billion-plus people, not just among the "educated city-wallahs".

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 07 Oct 2010 22:13

well fidel-ji, the problem of nutrition is acute - as human beings across all societies and races, we may be evolving into TFTA:haves+brains and SDRE:don'thaves-brains (where F and D are relatively interchangeable due to geography, etc.)... the change might be coming quite soon... HG Wells like

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 07 Oct 2010 22:18

IMHO etc.....

There are two types of sporting events in these shows

1) Those that evolved from carnival sideshows or circus (sprint, endurance, jumps, lifting, gymnastics, shooting etc). Does not need much thinking during event and is heavily dependent on being born with specific features (earlier termed impolitely as "sideshow freaks") or needs to become one by intense training.

2) Those that evolved from Gladiatorial events (most team games, court based ones like tennis/shuttle, fighting events etc). These needs a bit of real time thinking, other than domain skills and optionally, some physique (look at some of the yankee baseball hitters).

Baron Coubertin's (and his successive oiropean robber-barons) genius is in bringing these two together and convincing the world that there is more to it than basic entertainment.

Tribute to SDREs, they have chosen team games over carnival events as they are so much more fun, needs a bit of thinking and is more sustainable to a normal person to indulge in. I mean, I can still play gully shuttle, cricket or football, but I cant do a 100 metre dash with my neighbors or lift weights in the gully daily, can I? So there is a reason we never really focused on these events, despite decades of

by our DDM after every such event. We dont have to but if there is tons of money in it LOCALLY, some SDRE will grin and sign up.....

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 07 Oct 2010 22:25

Lalmohan wrote:well fidel-ji, the problem of nutrition is acute - as human beings across all societies and races, we may be evolving into TFTA:haves+brains and SDRE:don'thaves-brains (where F and D are relatively interchangeable due to geography, etc.)... the change might be coming quite soon... HG Wells like

Scary thought...like the Morlocks and the Eloi. Rich educated T(F/D)TA in the more prosperous parts, and poor uneducated S(F/D)RE in the less-well off parts. Carry that trend forward a few generations and soon you have really distinct races.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 07 Oct 2010 22:45

Condoms clogging drains in CWG-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/oc ... dom-drains

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 07 Oct 2010 23:01

by Marten

Fidel, our distant cousins from the villages are actually better built owing to better nutrition being available.

Exactly!

Earlier people would drink 2-3 bowls of Dal with butter and 4 rotis.
Now people eat 6 rotis with namak, chutney as Dal is 100 Rs kg.

Earlier people would have lots of eggs, milk, fresh vegetables and locally grown fruits.
Now they prefer to sell it in the market so that they can buy a Car, lavish marriage, etc.

Even rich kids in India (who could participate) today eat stuff like "Samosa, Kachori, etc for all meals" instead of a balanced diet.

Health ministry need to introduce Health and Nutrition courses at 4th Class and above levels among all education boards.
Culprit is the Nutrition all the way!!

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 07 Oct 2010 23:28

[/quote]
Exactly!
Earlier people would drink 2-3 bowls of Dal with butter and 4 rotis.
Now people eat 6 rotis with namak, chutney as Dal is 100 Rs kg.

Earlier people would have lots of eggs, milk, fresh vegetables and locally grown fruits.
Now they prefer to sell it in the market so that they can buy a Car, lavish marriage, etc.

Even rich kids in India (who could participate) today eat stuff like "Samosa, Kachori, etc for all meals" instead of a balanced diet.

Health ministry need to introduce Health and Nutrition courses at 4th Class and above levels among all education boards.
Culprit is the Nutrition all the way!![/quote]
First the health ministry must be clear what is good nutrition and what is not.If we listened to our grand parents and parents,we would be eating decent food even today.
Milk,fruits,vegetables,wheat and fibrous foods, butter or ghee,in well balanced quantity.....less of fried stuff, more of boiled stuff,olive oil for frying......

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 07 Oct 2010 23:52

India wins first medal (silver) in gymnastics. Ashish Kumar shows a lot of promise. He missed gold narrowly. Very aggressive. Am so glad that we are entering all these new sports--lawn bowling, netball, womens wrestling, swimming etc. Hopefully we are able to fully leverage these world-class facilities to become serious threats in all of these and more. We have enough people with the right ingredients to do it.

James B · Post by **James B** » 07 Oct 2010 23:55

Victor wrote:India wins first medal (silver) in gymnastics. Ashish Kumar shows a lot of promise. He missed gold narrowly. Very aggressive.

Its bronze actually.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 07 Oct 2010 23:59

James B wrote:
Victor wrote:India wins first medal (silver) in gymnastics. Ashish Kumar shows a lot of promise. He missed gold narrowly. Very aggressive.
Its bronze actually.

Sorry onlee.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 08 Oct 2010 00:21

How many did we add to the kitty today?

saip · Post by **saip** » 08 Oct 2010 01:13

May be I should post this in Paki thread. But, god forbid, if this comes true, what should be our reaction? Bomb Karachi or take Paki delegation as hostage?

Terrorists planning Munich-type carnage: Intelligence

http://publication.samachar.com/pub_art ... extIndex=0

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Oct 2010 03:53

So its a warning. But then what are they going to do about it?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2010 08:36

pakis are lying behind sri lanka and uganda somewhere near 20th place with 1 bronze onree. this with a 75 member team

for India, 3rd place is assured even if england get more golds eventually , because canada and south africa are too far behind.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 08 Oct 2010 08:47

Today's gold overhaul for India was not as spectacular and waning a bit. We also need to put in more effort to convert borderline eliminations to bronzes :-( to keep the totals high. Ingland has already overtaken in the totals by a large margin. If one looks at the Aussie and England tally, they have a lot of gold from women's events.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 08 Oct 2010 09:11

sanjeevpunj wrote:Condoms clogging drains in CWG-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/oc ... dom-drains

CWG Village officials deny reports of condoms clogging drains http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20101007/37 ... rts-o.html

New Delhi, Oct 7 (IANS) Commonwealth Games Village officials Thursday denied media reports of used condoms clogging drains of accommodation towers.

According to some media reports, used condoms were discovered by plumbers when they were called in to clear the toilets after athletes complained about blockage.

'There was no clogging in the drains at the Village and no plumber was called in. This is mere sensationalisation by media,' a senior official of the Games Village told IANS.

However, a large condom vending machine has been installed at the Village, containing about 4,000 contraceptive packs.

According to informed sources, over half the number have already been used.

Meanwhile, the Municipal Corporation of Delhi (MCD) said they are not in charge of the sanitation work inside the Village towers.

'We are not dealing with the garbage inside the Games Village towers. The housekeeping department takes care of it,' said MCD spokesperson Deep Mathur.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 08 Oct 2010 09:22

The winner of the 100 mtrs in the women's category - Sally Pearson - has been disqualified because of a false-start. A protest was launched yesterday by more than one nation and it has been upheld. Nigeria's Oludamola is bumped up to gold from silver, Natasha Myers now has the silver with England's Endacott rounding up the top three.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 08 Oct 2010 09:26

Panic struck the Commonwealth Games on Thursday as reports of leading swimmers from Australia and England being taken ill due to the poor quality of water at the Dr. S.P. Mukherjee pool did the rounds.

However, towards evening it was confirmed that the illness was not due to the reason suspected, saving both the Commonwealth Games Federation and the Organising Committee from acute embarrassment.

http://www.thehindu.com/sport/other-spo ... 818481.ece

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 08 Oct 2010 09:48

Why is the CWG OC distributing free condoms in the village?
Isn't "character building" an aspect of CWG/competitive sports?

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 08 Oct 2010 09:54

As long as they are banging each other and stay within the village and off the streets, who cares ?

sum · Post by **sum** » 08 Oct 2010 10:22

Gold no 15 in Archery ( women)!!!