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Women man border outposts
AMRITSAR: The women cadets in Border Security Force (BSF) are raising the bar. At a time when women are still waiting for permanent commission in the Army despite a government notification, they were recently made part of Beating the Retreat ceremony at Wagah. And now, they have been put on night vigil at our border outposts — after months of non-combat duty.

Considered the country’s second line of defence, border outposts are barely a couple of hundred feet inside the international border. It may not be long before BSF women recruits begin patrolling the international border round-the-clock.

During a visit to a border outpost near the Indo-Pak border in Amritsar district, TOI observed a young female constable on night duty. Fully alert and not displaying even a speck of fear, the young sentinel stated matter of factly, “What is there to fear? I am a trained soldier and always ready to challenge any miscreants or infiltrators from Pakistan.”BRUAHHH CHAK DE PHATTE

Undertaking regular exercises and drills along with their male colleagues during daytime, these women are ready to take on any kind of duty. Although assigned separate boarding, they share the mess with others. Initially, the duties of these gun-wielding female constables were limited only to frisking the womenfolk going beyond the border fence to till their fields. Not any more.

BSF, which came into being on December 1, 1965, took almost five decades to induct women in its ranks. The first batch was included in the force last September.
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Karan M wrote:
anirban_aim wrote:
My only fear is that its only a matter of time before the Army is even called out for anti Maoist duties, may be then our so called or so potrayed all Strong Man of a Home Minister will ask some question to his beloved IPS babus as to why the CRPF is in such a rump.

This Sucks... Sucks.... Sucks.... :evil: :evil: :evil:
Fighting the Maoists is a given, if the CPF's are not upto the task - and why would they be, given their lackluster funding and lack of mandate in this arena till a few years back. A few showpiece units like AR dont count. The bane of India is the "no plan is a good plan" policy, which has now been followed by "make plans" but dont execute, or eat up all the money instead.
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anirban_aim wrote: My only fear is that its only a matter of time before the Army is even called out for anti Maoist duties, may be then our so called or so potrayed all Strong Man of a Home Minister will ask some question to his beloved IPS babus as to why the CRPF is in such a rump.

This Sucks... Sucks.... Sucks.... :evil: :evil: :evil:
Also, in CPOs as they are led by IPS on the top it is their responsibility. After all they start showing up for the top spots. Funding is again controlled by their sister services.

I'm going to be cynical and cold in this following post, in case sensibilities are hurt my apologies:

I feel ( I insist on the word feel to emphasize that its an opinion which need not be a fact) that CRPF is quite a lousy force.

The apologists for CRPF have long tom tomed the fact that after all its just an police force and cannot be looked upon by to have a similar fettle as a true blue PMF. Its main duties are assistance to State Govts in general Law & Order, Election Duty, Riot Control, Resue and Rehabilitation etc;

But all of these apologies and shout outs to the "jawan" out there does not take into account the multitudes of failures that the force has had.

One should not forget that its the India's largest PMF & there are police forces in the developing world itself which look more like crack military units due to the attention paid to efficiency and single minded focus to the goal assigned.

One such Link to one such organization: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... police.htm

These forces are by no strech of imagination perfect but these forces are definitely a lot better, moreover they are not from the G7 countries and they are essentially police forces.

To enumerate a few failures of the organization:

1. In early 90s when the Kashmir insurgency was cutting its teeth, it was the failure of the CRPF to nip in the bud that led it to intensify & gather momentum. Apologies like lack of training & exposure and no intelligence back up do not seem to hold water as when first Army & later BSF took charge they had the same problems, though the Army might have been helped by the DAA & AFSPA, but none can deny that it was BSF which developed its G Branch which turned out to be successful.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORC ... n-Jak.html

After a lot of bloodshed, after the Army & BSF handed over the mantles back to CRPF situation is again flaming up why? Is it just coincidence, is it just plain incompetence, its not that stone throwers are a new phenomenon only the intensity has increased. One might counter argue that this is a new strategy of the ISI handlers, but then what is on ground CoInt strategy? Who will throw that up?

2. They are doing a horrible job of the Anti Maoist Operations. Its one thing to simply go out on patrol and become cannon fodder and a very different thing to go and win a war. Their morale is down in their socks and I will go out on a limb and say that if the Govt does not call in AFs, sooner or later the CRPF will be overwhelmed and roundly defeated. Its not a question of better weapons or better systems. The people are incompetent.

http://www.legaldrift.com/the-crpf-will-be-soon-dead/

3. This is probably the only CPMF in the country which has been accused of selling weapons to the enemy

http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/crpf-men ... -22431.php


May be only a one sided beating down might not be in order so a brief look at some of the probable reasons.

There are probably 3 clear revenue streams to milk for the officers during the life cycle of the jawan:

a) During Recruitment-

CRPF is today India's largest PMF but the edge is clearly missing. Why is that? To answer this question we have to remember the adage that a force is only as good as its men. Its not about Weapons, its not about anything else but Men. This is one aspect where CRPF as an organization has taken a major hit. They have entered a vicious cycle. Let me elaborate. To address the numerous security challenges that arise from time to time, one of the many knee jerk reactions of the HM is to raise new battalions of the CPMFs in general & CRPF in particular. Now what is expected is that these new battalions will be miraculously be raised, trained, equipped and they will go into the field and work wonders. What actually happens is berserk recruitment. This opens up a avenue for the ROs to make a good side income from the young men of the hinterland looking for some kind of oppurtunity. Also since the cut flows right up to the top, the men on top also keep asking for new raisings, so what we have is an ever growing mass of troops who are neither fit, nor able nor suitable in many cases.

http://ww.telegraphindia.com/1100817/js ... 804318.jsp

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 434990.cms

I'm quoting these articles here, as I'm sure there will be many who will jump up & ask for open source information on anything stated.

The fact is these articles are nothing. Take a train. Go the Sleeper Coaches. Travel between Howrah/Sealdah to Delhi or travel from Rajasthan to Haryana. Go to any recruitment rally at the battalion centres. Speak to the hopefuls. Ask to look at their certificates. Ask them if they have the required height/weight. You'll have your answers.

b) The second source of revenue for the pockets of the higher ups is in equipping these ever increasing masses. Look at the booty. Ration. Uniform. Bullet Proof Vests. Shoes.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bureaucrat-i ... 252-3.html

c) The third source of revenue is during death & disability. As Jawans die and get maimed there is even more demand for increasing the "Boots on the Ground", "as the situation has now escalated". This in turn feeds into the first point, thus completing the circle.

While all this is happening in the background and get slowly institutionalized, what are the other things that generate some more revenue?? Systematic and slow denial of standard equipments, cut back and cut down on training thus saving costs and diverting them to personal pockets.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Inside-dr ... 28849.aspx
Army chief General VK Singh on Thursday cited "inside drawbacks" and "training problems" as possible reasons for the massacre of 75 Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) personnel in Chhattisgarh
I wonder what he meant by "inside drawbacks" (Open to Speculation and Inference by you all)

What does this leads to, is a poorly trained, poorly manned, poorly motivated, poorly led force. An ever expanding force whose Jawans are being sent out to the front just to become cannon fodder.

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main44.asp ... rstory.asp

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main46.asp ... rStory.asp

This will go on till the govt decides that its losing face and that it might effect its credibility. GoI will say that the situation has gone beyond the capabilities of the CPMFs and that they are losing men regularly and now its time to raise the bar. There will be tough talk of decisive action Blah.... Blah...Then it will call for the AFs.

What will happen then is the people who are really responsible for this mess and people who sent all these unfit & unsuspecting people just to be cannon fodder will just go scot free.

Sooner or Later Maoists will fizzle out after AFs take over and life will go back to however it was.... and the CRPF will remain where it was. poorly trained, poorly manned, poorly equipped, poorly motivated, poorly led...... Just Cannon Fooder
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IMO one can't blame the lowly jawan.

From my POV is the problem is that IPS that lords over the CPOs is simply not invested with the jawans. At the same time Asst Cmdt, Cmdt level entries do not make it to the top. Top has no idea (or the inclination) how the lower rung works.

The bulk of NSG manned by the IA usually has an DG from IPS, IMO, so that they can play generalissimo or to confirm the 'primacy' of civillian leadership, depends on your POV. Politicians face election and can be voted out, what do you do for the non performers in the Civil Services?

This is very different from IA where every man at the top has been at the bottom rung. The man at the bottom works more closely with the jawans than the CPOs. Why else would anyone trust another person in matters of life and death?

First and foremost, either all of Officer Corps of CPOs come from their respective organisations, or IPS must start at those levels in these organisations. This will create motivation and incentive throughout the chain of command.

Recruitment of jawans can be fixed by a number of measures for example recruiting from ex servicemen (including for SWAT). Poor recruitment cannot happen without complicity from the top. The jawan takes his cues from its leadership.

IA can help CPOs with:
i) training facilities (not with half measures like salwa jhudum),
ii) joint exercises and
iii) possibly IA 'adopting' individual battalions of CPOs for knowledge transfer, after identifying individuals from CPO from their RR stint.

But this will send down a shiver on the civil authorities whose primacy has to be maintained or from the another POV, unchallenged power.
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Body armor with Honeywell's Spectra Shied and Gold Shied materials for Indian paramilitary forces
Under an agreement with India’s Ministry of Home Affairs, military equipment manufacturer MKU Pvt. Ltd. will supply the country’s paramilitary and police forces with body armor containing Honeywell’s Spectra Shield (SS) and Gold Shield (GS) materials.

Honeywell’s GS and SS composite materials will be the primary ballistic protection contained in 59,000 jackets, each of which will include two breast plates. India’s Central Reserve Police Force will be the first to receive the jackets.
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[quote][quote="anirban_aim"]Sooner or Later Maoists will fizzle out after AFs take over and life will go back to however it was.... and the CRPF will remain where it was. poorly trained, poorly manned, poorly equipped, poorly motivated, poorly led...... Just Cannon Fooder
Even if half of what you are saying is true it is depressing and sickening
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J&K: Militant Killed in Encounter in Sopore
Acting on a tip off, police and troops of 22 Rashtriya Rifles launched a search operation this morning in village Dooru in the North Kashmir town, 55 kms from here, they said.

The hiding militants were asked to surrender, but a gunbattle started when they opened fire.

One militant has been killed in the encounter so far, police said, adding that the identity and group affiliation of the slain militant could not be ascertained immediately as the encounter was still going.
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^^
The above link takes me to the world press login page.
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Yes, you should plug that link ASAP.
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CRPF chief Vikram Srivastava transferred
In a sudden move, government on Saturday shunted out CRPF chief Vikram Srivastava and brought in K Vijay Kumar, who had shot to fame when he led the operations to eliminate forest brigand Veerappan, as his replacement.
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VinodTK wrote:CRPF chief Vikram Srivastava transferred
In a sudden move, government on Saturday shunted out CRPF chief Vikram Srivastava and brought in K Vijay Kumar, who had shot to fame when he led the operations to eliminate forest brigand Veerappan, as his replacement.
This is a very good development!!!

Shrivastava couldn't have been removed earlier as it would have stirred a hornet's nest. Govt. made a smart move, now he probably can't move to CAT etc.,

The incoming gentleman has a solid track record. He did a "Sivanandan" in Chennai when he was posted as the Commissioner there during Jayalalitha's rule. Knocking down quite a few professional criminals. His famous quote after an encounter that "we don't wear our weapons as ornaments..." was both hailed and assailed.

He was later sent as the head of the STF to track Veerappan which he did succesfully after years of following the Brigand closely and developing a great intelligence network. This after the central forces had failed to bell the cat.

He has also served as an IG in BSF in Kashmir apart from being part of the SPG guarding Rajiv Gandhi and headed the SPG group guarding Jayalalitha.

Also has a Police Medal for gallantry under his belt.

If this post looks like an advert for the man, my apologies but I sure do admire him and I've my expectations from the man. After being tainted by the Jayalalitha color in the eyes of the DMK administration and hence denied the DGP position, this role I'm sure will suit his style.

Its little wonder that PC chose this statemate of his to head the CRPF who likes wearing berets to peak caps and is good at counter insurgency and jungle tracking.

I'm looking forward to the next 2 years for CRPF with hope. Atleast now they will have a leader. Resources, Manpower Quality and Motivation though are a different thing altogether. Hope this man can make a difference....
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J&K: 42 Militants Killed by Army in September
"As many as 42 well-armed and trained, both local and foreign militants, have been eliminated in the ongoing counter-terrorism operations conducted by the Army in September," the spokesman said.
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4 cops killed in Maoist landmine blast
GADCHIROLI (Maharashtra): Four securitymen, including two CRPF personnel, were killed on Monday when Naxalites triggered a powerful improvised explosive device blast in a marketplace in Perilimili village in the district when they were out shopping.

The security personnel were shopping at a local market in the area when the explosion took place at around 4.30 PM, killing two CRPF men and two police officers on the spot.

The two CRPF men have been identified as Inspector Nauroti Yadav and constable Anand Kumar of the 9th battalion of the force, posted in the area for anti-Naxal operations.
Two sub-inspectors of Maharashtra Police -- Shashi More and Mahendra Mangul -- were also killed in the attack, police said, adding their vehicle was badly damaged in the explosion.

Senior officials said that a rescue team and additional reinforcements have been dispatched to the spot to trace the other policemen who were accompanying them and launch a combing operation to track down the Maoist rebels.

The area falls in Aheri taluka of the district, one of the worst-hit by left wing extremism in the state.
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Reds blast kills 5 cops in Gadchiroli
NAGPUR: A land mine blast suspected to be triggered by Maoists killed five cops, including three officers, at Perimili, around 150 km from Maharshtra's Gadchiroli on Monday afternoon. The incident took place within 300m of Perimili sub-police station.

Three officers, CRPF inspector Newrutti Yadav and two sub-inspectors of district police Shashikant More and Mahendra Kumar Nalkul, were among the dead. Two constables — Anand Gajge of CRPF and Motiram Sangar of the district police were also killed. The Maoists escaped with their weapons. One constable is reportedly missing.

Sources said CRPF and police personnel were going to a weekly market in Perimili when their vehicle was blown up near a nullah. :evil:
RIP the brave souls, hope they catch these Scumbags and give them a taste of their own medicine..Tie their a$$es up to an IED and remote detonate that, that will teach them the meaning of fighting Fire with Fire!!!

Meanwhile hope they are devising a better IED resistant vehicle, or atleast use UAV's to identify where IED's could be possibly planted to avoid areas until they are cleared or exploded!!!
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Coast Guard has been very busy past 3 days.

Indian Coast Guard commissions 3 units on consecutive days
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CRPF gets a new Cheif
K Vijayakumar IPS would be taking over as the DGP of CRPF. He is replacing Vijay Srivastava IPS. Vijayakumar was the Director of the SVPNA, Hyderabad. He had led the operation against the brigand Veerappan, and he and his team of officials from Tamil Nadu Police finally shot the brigand dead.
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What is the arms training for these paramilitary forces that serve in border regions?
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As per this news article, the new CRPF DG seems to have hit the ground running and is wasting no time in updating the training at the officer-level and trooper-level to meet physical and psychological challenges of operating in Naxal environment - http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/oct/ ... -chief.htm
CRPF undergoes gradual change under Vijay Kumar
With the Central Reserve Police Force getting a new boss at its helm, the force is undergoing a gradual change with focus on building a better team spirit and training. K Vijay Kumar, the recently appointed CRPF Director General, has informally introduced a system of training called the 'One Minute Drills'.

The one-minute drill is a series of exercises that CRPF personnel have to do in a minute, which includes individual as well as team exercises. The drills are compiled in a book brought out by the National Police Academy, Hyderabad, which was earlier headed by the CRPF chief. Kumar, a 1975-batch IPS officer of Tamil Nadu cadre has compiled the book. Of the many drills, the most interesting one are related to cleaning of two guns at one time and life saving techniques that can be used when countering anti-national elements including the Naxals. The drills also include quick techniques for jungle survival, camouflage and undertaking unarmed combat.

"The focus of the new chief seems to be on ensuring that the men are trained well. After all for every operation, a right bend of training is most essential," a source at the CRPF Academy in Gurgaon said. It was at this academy that Kumar introduced the concept of the 'one minute drills'. Interestingly, Kumar who himself follows a tough exercise regimen is said to have cycled his way to the training Academy from the Gurgaon toll gate, a good five kilometres away. Kumar was made the CRPF chief early this month, after his predecessor Vikram Srivastava was moved out following a series of debacles at the hand of the left-wing extremists.

Kumar, who shot to fame after he led the Special Task Force which killed forest brigand Veerapan, first visited Chhattisgarh, which has seen a series of Naxal violence, as soon as he took over. "My priorities are to see that things (indicating operations and other aspects) going on are more purposeful... also keeping in mind the governments view and agenda," Kumar, told reporters after taking charge on October 6.
My interpretation of the article is that National Police Academy has provided the environment for creating the manual but its not conclusive whether all officers in training there are also adopting this technique. It will make sense if National Police Academy and CRPF Academy both are adopting this new training regime so fresh recruits as well as newly appointed CRPF officers are all learning the same fighting techniques. That should build some cohesiveness in a force where it is often pointed out that their officers lead from the back in training and in operations.

The new DG sure has a huge challenge to first upskill this behemoth and then to make it nimble to fight effectively against a cunning opponent and with an impatient nation hovering over the shoulder. Its unlikely to happen in his tenure, but I sure hope he creates the roadmap for turning around the force and lays the bedrock with such creative training techniques.

On a separate note, I have not heard or read about such 'One-minute drills' in any research material on Indian or foreign forces, though multi-specialisation training and other specialist training have been there for ages. What interests me is the sheer simplicity of these drills and the huge potential to exploit it.

What is the opinion of the experienced posters here?
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 845968.cms

Aggressive gestures during flag lowering at Wagah to be done away with
ISLAMABAD: Aggressive gestures and orchestrated boot-stomping that mark the flag-lowering ceremony at the Wagah land border post will soon make way for a more sober ceremony with Indian and Pakistani border forces agreeing to tone down the daily event.

The ceremony at sunset during which the border guards lower the flags is a major draw for tourists on both sides of the frontier since 1959.
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IAF copters used for troop movement in Maoist-hit areas: Naik
BHUBANESWAR: Air Chief Marshal P V Naik on Monday said some of the IAF helicopters were being used for movement of troops in Maoist-hit areas in different states.

"Some of the helicopters were kept at the disposal of the ministry of home affairs (MHA), which used these in different states...The IAF choppers are being used in Naxal areas keeping in mind the requirements," the IAF chief said at a function in the Sainik School here.

Naik's statement about use of copters came in the wake of the Centre planning to hire 13 twin-engine, armour-plated turbine helicopters from private operators on wet lease for movement of troops in Maoist-hit areas and surveillance purpose.

About 20 choppers of IAF and BSF had already been deployed in Maoist-hit areas, officials said.
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BSF camel contingent impresses American delegation:

When Obama reached Manmohan Singh's residence for the dinner Sunday - half an hour ahead of schedule - 30 camel-mounted BSF personnel were present at the gate to welcome the US first couple. "The contingent regaled the Obamas by playing bugles and trumpets in tune with the tinkling bells on their camels," a BSF official said.

Sam Pitroda, currently advisor to the prime minister on Public Information Infrastructure and Innovations, said: 'The BSF camel contingent was magnificent and it was a treat for the eyes.' Impressed by the unique welcome by the camel band, an American delegate present at the dinner said: 'We need to learn from Indians the unique way of welcoming the guest.'

The uniforms the men wear is traditional and that has not changed since the camel contingent was raised by Maharaja Ganga Singh, the then ruler of the erstwhile princely state of Bikaner, in the early 1900s.
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Check out the BSF camel band video:

http://www.ndtv.com/news/videos/video_p ... id=1196937
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anirban_aim wrote:CRPF chief Vikram Srivastava transferred
In a sudden move, government on Saturday shunted out CRPF chief Vikram Srivastava and brought in K Vijay Kumar, who had shot to fame when he led the operations to eliminate forest brigand Veerappan, as his replacement.
This is a very good development!!!

The incoming gentleman has a solid track record. He did a "Sivanandan" in Chennai when he was posted as the Commissioner there during Jayalalitha's rule. Knocking down quite a few professional criminals. His famous quote after an encounter that "we don't wear our weapons as ornaments..." was both hailed and assailed.

He was later sent as the head of the STF to track Veerappan which he did succesfully after years of following the Brigand closely and developing a great intelligence network. This after the central forces had failed to bell the cat.

He has also served as an IG in BSF in Kashmir apart from being part of the SPG guarding Rajiv Gandhi and headed the SPG group guarding Jayalalitha.

Also has a Police Medal for gallantry under his belt.

I'm looking forward to the next 2 years for CRPF with hope. Atleast now they will have a leader. Resources, Manpower Quality and Motivation though are a different thing altogether. Hope this man can make a difference....
http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20101123/81 ... -kill.html

CRPF turns heat on Maoists, nine killed in Chhattisgarh
Nine Maoists were Tuesday killed in a fierce gun battle with Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) troopers in a forested pocket of the rebels' stronghold Bastar region of Chhattisgarh, police said
'It's a big success. CRPF's 111th battalion fought bravely with over 150 heavily armed Maoists. We have recovered bodies of all the nine rebels with their weapons,' Dantewada's Senior Superintendent of Police S.R.P. Kalluri told IANS over phone.
'This time, we stunned them (Maoists). The personnel put the rebels' squad under heavy firing for nearly an hour. We successfully hunted nine of them. I believe many more received gun shots and probably were taken inside the forests,' the officer informed
For the paramilitary force, which has been put under repeated attacks in the sprawling 40,000 sq km mineral-rich, restive Bastar region, Tuesday's success is considered a big morale booster.

Is this the begining of a Change :idea: :idea:

I would like to think so... 8) This is exactly the kind of news and change, for which he was brought in.

God Speed... Happy Hunting :twisted:
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WTF? They just opened fire on unarmed people? On people who were protesting a molestation by a member of this force?Are we living in the British Raj? I should hope there will be a proper investigation.

http://altw.telegraphindia.com/1101221/ ... 325726.jsp

4 dead in post molestation tiff firing

OUR CORRESPONDENT

Patna, Dec. 20: Sashastra Seema Bal (SSB) jawans allegedly shot dead four persons of Batraha village in Araria district today following a tiff with villagers over molestation of a woman by one of their colleagues last night.

The SSB personnel deployed on India-Nepal border opened fire around 12 noon after the villagers demanded action against the tainted jawan who had allegedly barged into the house of the woman on Sunday night in an inebriated state and attempted to outrage her modesty at gunpoint. The jawan fled after the victim raised an alarm.

This morning, the villagers complained to the SSB officers about the misconduct of the jawan. But he refuted the charge and accused the villagers of indulging in illegal activities. Assistant commandant of the 24th battalion of the SSB, Okendra Singh, also denied the molestation charge against the jawan.

The verbal duel between the two groups snowballed into a clash. The SSB jawans finally opened fire, killing four villagers on the spot. Three of them, including a woman, belonged to the same family. The deceased have been identified as Mohammad Kurban, Shahnawaz, Mohammad Bhulla and his sister-in-law Farhat Nisha.

The bodies of the victims have been handed over to their families after post-mortem.

Six villagers sustained injuries in the clash and the subsequent firing incident. Two SSB jawans were also grievously injured in the stone-pelting by the irate mob, which allegedly attacked the SSB border outpost near Kursakanta.

Director-general of police Neel Mani said three SSB jawans had been arrested. Police have seized their rifles.

The state government has ordered an inquiry by the divisional commissioner and deputy inspector-general of Purnea.
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^^Aspuar ji , Do not form conclusions so easily.Over the years lot of Bangladeshi citizens have settled in this region and their intentions are not always good.Many of their female folk are also involved here in flesh trade and they are available at extremely cheap rates(like Rs 50 to Rs 100).This is one of the reasons I seriously doubt that the SSB trooper would have indulged in molestation.With Pussy being so cheap there is no reason to indulge in molestation.

May be some other issue was there.I agree that there should be an enquiry and if there are any guilty amongst SSB troopers, then they should be punished.
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I dont know the area, and I agree that there is most likely more to it than meets the eye, but it looks really bad for the force. Dont want to second guess the guys on the ground, but I think that a batallion of armed men should have been able to handle a mob without lethal means.

Anyway, the men who fired have been taken into police custody. For now.
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Indian Coast Guard opens District Headquarters Kavaratti and Guard Station at Minicoy

In order to augment its resources in the L&M Islands, the Coast Guard has plans to set up another station at Androth in 2011, and an air enclave at Minicoy by 2012. The required surface and air platforms fitted with modern equipments, system and sensors will be based at these locations, to cater for extensive surveillance of this highly sensitive area.
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‘Hurt’ by Obama visit snub, CISF abandons president’s plane for 4 hrs
The Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) believes in tat for tat. Or so it appears looking at the way it conveniently ‘avoided’ protecting president Pratibha Patil’s aircraft, which landed in Mumbai on Wednesday.

Though Patil was escorted out of the airport immediately after arrival at 2pm, there was no security cover for her aircraft till 6pm.

The CISF, apparently hurt at being left out of the security team during US president Barack Obama’s visit to Mumbai in November, refused to be involved during the president’s halt in the city.
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“It was not our duty to take over the aircraft from the Indian Air Force. Our duty was only to guard the periphery of the aircraft, which we diligently did. Our men were posted four hours prior to the landing. I am not aware if there was a delay in handing over the aircraft to the local police. If there was a delay, ask the police for the reasons”, JS Negi, senior commandant, CISF, told DNA.
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There is nothing in the article proving that this was done because CISF is 'hurt' by the so-called 'Obama snub'. Guess we have DNA's resident Sherlock Holmes who deduced this on his/her own.
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^^

If the above is true, for whatever reason, they should be fired.
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Responsiblity huh? What about firing our President first. Then the PM, then all non-performing ministers. Ain't it the right way to do it. Why should responsiblity is only for the security forces when they are protecting the powerful and the mighty. What about ordinary citizens of India. Who will take responsiblity for ordinary citizens getting killed by the Pakis. PM or President or who in the government? So much for responsibilty.
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^

So, duty can be given the go-bye, simply because you think the PM and president dont deserve security, eh? The two matters are entirely seperate. It is the job of the CISF to provide security. If even the president is getting this treatment, then you can bet the security for you is a whole lot worse.
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