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Varoon Shekhar wrote:"This is why the PRC's relationship with Pakistan (and its aid flows) are so much more stable and so much warmer than the US-Pakistani one; they can both agree that India is a common threat,..."

What exactly is the 'threat' from India to these two countries?
Paranoid, militaristic regimes like the PRC and Pakistan are always easily threatened by anything they can not conquer, and which offers a source of ideological competition.

India has always been the alternative model to the CPC/PRC for much of the developing world since 1949. China particularly resents and fears any country that can exert influence its periphery, whether the US or India.

Pakistan's ideology can not accept either a secular pluralistic India, or a majoritarian Hindutva India. Both are a terrifying anathema.

Even if India does not conceive of itself that way its basic orientation represents an ideological threat to these regimes.

This is not to say that tensions can not be managed and kept to an acceptable minimum, especially with China, but all to often the paranoia and preference for highly coercive approaches make joint management of tensions very difficult.
"It promoted PRC TSP nexus to avenge Vietnam defeat."

But that is opportunism and perversity to the nth degree, because wasn't it Red China that was supporting the Vietnamese communists?
The Sino-Pakistani relationship was not appreciated by the U.S. when it began in 1963. It was one of the reasons the US ended military aid to Pakistan in 1965. This did not change until Mao signalled his interest in rapprochement with the U.S. beginning in 1969. The U.S. did not end combat in Vietnam until 1973, and South Vietnam did not fall until 1975.
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Harvard gets biggest international donation in 102 yrs, from Tata Group

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 752185.cms
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During the Vietnam War,the Soviets shipped arms and eqpt. to Vietnam through China using its rail network.However,what the PPRC did was to quietly siphon off important items so that they could reverse engineer the same! The Soviets were quite pissed off about it but could do little,as a Vietnamese victory was the most important priority.
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Thanks Johann, you said it really well. Paranoid, militaristic regimes is the heart of the matter.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Harvard gets biggest international donation in 102 yrs, from Tata Group

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 752185.cms

Taking money from India to fund US institutions. Ratan Tata is not JRD tata. Look at the families antecednts.
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That and he didn't actually graduate from Harvard...donating to US university is ok, at least it should be your own...
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He is trying to influence Harvard in long term. Nothing wrong if you have the money. Its just the golden rule: "One who has the gold makes the rules"

Tatas have been very strategic and think of national interests before there was nation. Not like the newly rich or ITVITy barons.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Harvard gets biggest international donation in 102 yrs, from Tata Group

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 752185.cms
Strange decision this by TATA. It also shows India's misplaced priorities in general. Funny how Harvard & other western "liberals" will turn out BS about India's poverty and why India should spend less on nukes, give Kashmir to TSP etc etc and feed its people, but they don' mind lapping up moolah donated from the same dirt poor India.

And what is this money going to used for? So "South Asia" dork profs like Sugata Bose in shudh shaksperean English can parrot the India TSP joint love making in Srinagar tripe?

And then there is some center at Hardarv called Belfour something. The head of that is a woman with a Brit accent. They were the ones heavily pushing for the nuke deal. When I asked her on one occasion, whose intelligence are you trying to insult by singing India US strategic partnership even as you pump billions into TSPA coffers and won't even recognoize LET as part of the global war on terror. Her answer was that arms sales to TSP is a soverign right of US, and LET is an issue between India and TSP. And of course, even before I could challenge this puke of hers, I was asked to shut up by the moderator, only one question I was told.

And to these ass-holes TATA doles out moolah.
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I totally support TATA's decision. We have to think long term as what ramana sir ji said.
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CRamS: "Strange decision this by TATA. It also shows India's misplaced priorities in general. Funny how Harvard & other western "liberals" will turn out BS about India's poverty and why India should spend less on nukes,"

One way of assessing their sincerity is to see if they 1) make the same pronouncements with respect to Pakistan, China and other non-affluent countries 2) if they criticise large military budgets even in more well-to-do countries, which have problems of homelessness, housing, health care, unemployment, crime etc

3) if they make these criticisms when Indians import expensive luxury items from the well developed countries, or import expensive arms from those selfsame countries when less expensive variants exist in India or from Russia etc.

If you look carefully at these remarks made in the media or academia, they are almost exclusively directed at anything India does to increase its autonomy or autarky in the miltary, nuclear or space sectors.
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"whose intelligence are you trying to insult by singing India US strategic partnership even as you pump billions into TSPA coffers and won't even recognoize LET as part of the global war on terror. Her answer was that arms sales to TSP is a soverign right of US, and LET is an issue between India and TSP"

India is part of the globe and it has been a victim of trans-national terror, ergo it is part of the global war on terror, despite what this twit says. It's not even true that the LET is targeting India and Indians solely( as if that is an acceptable thing!) , as the events of 11/26/2008 should make clear.
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Not quite India-US strategic relations, but certainly India Vs US. Yeterday, I saw a news item showing Fox-news white Christian nationalist Bill O'Rielly proclaim that "Muslims attacked USA on 9/11". To which some women hosts on the show he was on, took issue and walked out protesting that it was not by Muslims, but rather, "Muslim extremists", "Or Muslims radicals". Their contention being that one cannot tar the entire faith.

But what shocked the living daylights out of me was the support Bill O'Rielly received from his fans, tea partiers and such, casting those who disagreed with him as "liberals". This is the kind of "conservative Vs liberal" theater crap that goes on.

But can you imagine in India, someone in the media proclaiming that "Muslims attacked India on 26/11"? Can one even say "TSP atatcked India on 26/11"? Worse, can one even say "Muslim terrorists attacked India on 26/11? The answer is No, no, and no. On can only say "terrorists (presumably from Mars) attacked India on 26/11", and terrorists have no religion except that there is something called saffron terror. In US, the phrases "Islamic extremism" or "Isalmic radicals" or "Islamic terorrists" is not only acceptable, it is used in any news report, from leftist rags to Nazi propaganda outlets.

In US case, it is extreme anti-Muslims prejudice & hatred and contempt; in India's case it is intellectual cowardice of the highest order.
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Yesterday on Bloomberg Radio on XM, a guest stated there was no poltical courage in DC. A lot of courage is needed to do the right thing for the US. All the pols he met are saying "talk to us after getting re-elected!". he said "However Jan 2011 is too late as things are moving too fast!" So the host asked what about the Tea party? The guest said "They are nihilists! They want to destroy everything!"
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Looks like the Tea Party will get a sizable chunk in the Repub share and will drive the politics in the near future.

They want to sack DC. ie reduce the role of Govt.
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ramana wrote:He is trying to influence Harvard in long term. Nothing wrong if you have the money. Its just the golden rule: "One who has the gold makes the rules"

Tatas have been very strategic and think of national interests before there was nation. Not like the newly rich or ITVITy barons.
The influence of the Rothschild is decreasing in America. This needs to be fixed and other influence should be increased.
TATA group influencing Harvard is in the right direction and will have some India focused study and pro India generation can comeup which should include founders of Facebook and their generation - Gen Y and later. This is needed for the future of India and new generation of Indians for the next 100 years.
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Whats wrong with us! Why do we see good in what others see as bad!
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Tatas can do a Stanford with that 50 mill, by starting off a univ from scratch (PRC's PLA would have loved that approach, makes them feel TFTA and palefaced)

Or

They can follow the same modus they used before to get in into "rich white people" world and wield influence. So they bought up the MG Rover amongst universities. Massive psy ops value with questionable recent quality and a big endowment shrinkage, because of which, the "price is SDRE grade ".

What does it mean for us, jingos who care a damn about India? Next time that weasly Witzel (or that Miss Piggy lookalike, Wendy Doniger) feels undersexed and lifts one of his butt cheeks after a burrito meal, we ask hard questions to TATA's Indian Corporate honchos about the stink. Shree Tata (or whomsoever is sitting in Tata House) will have to lift the phone up and call the dean. I dont know how they will get over "Academic Independence" and tenure crap that they will surely hit, but that is up to them to solve. Because otherwise Tata's Indian base will suffer if that is not sorted out. So like any good double-edged sword, this too has a stout hilt you can use to club an opponent with :P That should make a jingo happy, I guess?

I never thought we would "own" Harvard. Well, kind of :D
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They already did with Indian Institute of Science till the Govt took it over.
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hnair wrote:

They can follow the same modus they used before to get in into "rich white people" world and wield influence.
Look at USA as a gaint social engineering experiment where each generation is "influenced" by some outside group.
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hnair wrote:Tatas can do a Stanford with that 50 mill, by starting off a univ from scratch (PRC's PLA would have loved that approach, makes them feel TFTA and palefaced)

Or

They can follow the same modus they used before to get in into "rich white people" world and wield influence. So they bought up the MG Rover amongst universities. Massive psy ops value with questionable recent quality and a big endowment shrinkage, because of which, the "price is SDRE grade ".

What does it mean for us, jingos who care a damn about India? Next time that weasly Witzel (or that Miss Piggy lookalike, Wendy Doniger) feels undersexed and lifts one of his butt cheeks after a burrito meal, we ask hard questions to TATA's Indian Corporate honchos about the stink. Shree Tata (or whomsoever is sitting in Tata House) will have to lift the phone up and call the dean. I dont know how they will get over "Academic Independence" and tenure crap that they will surely hit, but that is up to them to solve. Because otherwise Tata's Indian base will suffer if that is not sorted out. So like any good double-edged sword, this too has a stout hilt you can use to club an opponent with :P That should make a jingo happy, I guess?

I never thought we would "own" Harvard. Well, kind of :D

Tata gave $50 million to Harvard's Business School who's dean is Nitin Nohria. It is not an open ended gift/endowment to Harvard, but to a specific program. Like it or not Harvard's (and a few other Ivy League colleges) business and law schools have immense impact on key leadership positions in the US such as POTUS, Sec. of State, Defense, Treasury, DoJ and CJCS. Tata is a smart businessman and he is buying influence. What Tata has done, will allow key Tata's leadership to be heard by key US leadership. It basically puts Tata's foot in the door so unkil can't slam the door on Tata Industries interests around the world. Imagine a future POTUS in 20 years who studied in Tata Hall at Harvard and what his thoughts would be about Tata and India?

See: http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/10/hbs_gift/
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ramana wrote:Looks like the Tea Party will get a sizable chunk in the Repub share and will drive the politics in the near future.

They want to sack DC. ie reduce the role of Govt.
Not to pick on you, and have you been mezmerized by the media or what? You seriously think tea party will "reduce the role of govt"? And what the %^$# does that mean anyway? They will come riding their royal white horses in DC, and after savoring their "victory" over the black president, with lots of fan fare about founding fathers, military bands and parades, they will do exactly the same thing give or take a few cents. Of course, if Patreus were itching to go after TSP, but Obama is the bottle-neck, and the tea party Nazis would give Patreus the green signal, I am all for them. But they are all racist/Nazi gas and no substance.
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Acharya wrote:
hnair wrote:

They can follow the same modus they used before to get in into "rich white people" world and wield influence.
Look at USA as a gaint social engineering experiment where each generation is "influenced" by some outside group.

A write-up by person X

This morning, Times of India celebrates the headlines that, "Harvard gets biggest international donation in 102 yrs, from Tata Group." http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 752185.cms The timing on the eve of Obama's India visit has strategic importance. This whopping $50 million gift is part of a massive trend that deserves some thought, so here I go...

One talk I gave compared how harvard studies China with great respect, while India is seen through the human rights lens - caste, women's "oppresion", minority "oppression", etc... Others gave specific areas of biases as well - from Aryan theory on. The result was that Mishra went back and advised the Ambanis to NOT give Harvard a dollar, until they would make changes to their stance on India. China, I was able to show, gets treated as a serious civilization. One factor was that China studies is done largely in Mandarin while India is studied in English. Also, China regulates visas for western scholars such that it blacklists those it finds troubling, whereas India is open and welcomes everyone without supervision, and fails to do any analysis after the fact as to whats being produced. In fact, Indians find it a compliment when westerners study them, as though suffering from an inferiority complex of feeling left out. Finally, a key difference is that Indian intellectuals are heavily anti-India because of pseudo-secularism and marxism deeply entrenched in Indian intellectual circles, and most important Indian scholars are western trained and/or funded and/or craving to be in their good books for fame and prestige. Chinese do not suffer such complexes, which in India are the after-effects of colonization. This is because Gandhi got superseded by Nehru in defining the elitist Indian ethos. Gandhi was emphatic about his Indianness, whereas Nehru bragged to John Kenneth Galbraith that he was the "last white man to rule India."

But the lure to become famous in harvard and dine with the who's who of white american establishment is too powerful for Indians to resist. The real "success" for most is when they are recognized by the west. This is what the west knows well, having studied Indian culture for centuries, and used precisely this knowledge to manage, control and topple one raja after another in the 17th and 18th centuries. Take the kids to Cambridge, play polo with them, have western women to flirt, etc. - so they can feel like admitted to the club as honorary whites in front of other Indians. After independence, the brits got replaced by the americans, hence the strategic importance of places like harvard.

Some years later, there came a call from a prominent Indian that Anand Mahindra was being roped in by Harvard, and he had given them office space in his Mumbai HQ. So I was set up for a persional one-on-one meeting with Anand Mahindra. He is a very decent, gentle, open-minded executive for sure. He listened to my frank talk. He was unaware of these issues which clearly bothered him. But he made clear that he owed a lot to harvard, as they had given him a scholarship to study there when his father had refused to support him go there. So it was payback time for him, nothing more. I also suggested to him that Indians who want to fund Harvard should fund their business school, which has become pro-India, but NOT the humanities which are the nexus of this "south Asian" nonsense. A few days later, at Mr. Mahindra's suggestion I had a brief phone chat with Harvard's Sugata Bose who was visiting India as harvard brand ambassador to raise funds. I have publicly criticized Sugata Bose for his writings that depict pre-Mughal India as uncivilized, his idea of colonial problems focusses only on British but exempts the islamic colonizers, and he sees de-colonization as the return to a unified south asia under quasi-islamic civilization (positioned as "secularism"). This, of course, his girlfriend and co-author, Ayesha Jalal, has very skillfully managed to make into the core curriculum on south asia at places such as Harvard. (Jalal while not on the Harvard faculty was on the committee of their South Asia program until I pointed this strange anomaly out, and then she suddenly left that visible spot.) Prof Bose was cordial and frank, and we agreed to continue to chat later - which never materialized. Bose also lashes out against his great grand-uncle, Subhash Chandra Bose, the freedom-fighter, portraying him as a fascist. Music to the ears of the harvard establishment. These folks bring in Kashmir separatists, Maoists, "abused Hindu women", Dalit activists, etc. routinely as the "voices of the real India." Anand Mahindra announced last month that he is donating $10 million to Harvard specifically designated for the Humanities.

I mentioned that Chinese government and Chinese private donors do an annual report on the state of China Studies in the west, just like any industry analyst would do for an indistry, and this guides them where and how to invest. This gives them the basis for evaluating a given program and negotiating from a position of knowledge about what is what in the discipline. He was candid in confessing that he had not studied the south asia studies discipline to be able to tell me what went on in depth. But, he remarked in typical India style, he thinks the persons involved in such studies seem like "nice guys" and decent folks. I responded that in evaluating a business investment, the due dligence would not be based on whether the management team were "nice guys" or decent folks in their personal lives, but that it would look for hard-hitting data and evidence to evaluate. Had he or anyone else studied the writings of such departments over the past 50 years, to be able to evaluate what was going from the Indian point of view? The answer then reamins the same today - no, they have not!

In one meetng after another for 15 years, I have raised such issues. One example of such an article I wrote in 2003 is on Rediff.com, titled, "Does South Asia Studies undermine India?" (See: http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/dec/08rajiv.htm ) I have also proposed that India could use its own India Studies and even South Asian Studies based in Indian universities (as a way to study neighbouring countries with an India-centric lens). I have argued that the money used to fund one Harvard chair (at least $5 million) could fund a whole department of scholarship in India. The irony is that even those who claim to be patriotic, nationalists, including those being described as "Hindu nationalists," seem confused and mixed up. The GOI has given major funding to western studies of South Asia - including both BJP and Congress led governments. Yet there is not a single government or private philanthropist report on the state of this "industry" that studies India, which consists of several thousand scholars full-time who come from various disciplines - religious studies, history, anthropology, sociology, political science, human rights, women's studies, etc. On the other hand, China Studies in the academy is secure in China's hands, with western scholars are "outsiders" craving to be allowed entry.

Before spending money, one must have a strategic clarity as to what ideas of India are to be promoted. Otherwise, well formulated ideas of India by various other institutions get to dominate - such as ideologies of seminaries, US government thinktanks, academic south asian marxists-islamists, etc. Indians participate but not on their own rules. Tragically, Indians do not even have clarity on this amongst themesleves much less being able to project it. At a gathering at Ram Jethmalani's house last year, I was invited as the featured speaker for the evening. I spoke on this very issue that Indians must take control of India Studies. One prominent woman activist (Madhu Kishwar) diverted the issue by asking whether the studies would be done in Hindi! The whole gathering easily got distracted by any odd and irrelevant idea, that should not have diverted them from the core proposition being discussed. Some others asked "whose idea of India" would be studied, would it be the Muslims' idea and dalit idea, or would brahmins dominate? Indians do not even have a consensus on what is India as we want to see it.

Earlier this year, there was a rumor that Infosys founder Narayan Murthy was giving $15 million to harvard to translate and publish ancient Indian texts into English, for popular reading. On the surface this seems good for us. But the details count and such details are typcially glossed over by Indians. The editor appointed for the series is none other than Prof. Sheldon Pollock (Columbia), even though he takes an explicitly Marxist view of Sanskrit - explotation by brahmins of dalits, women, muslims, etc. His famous writing, "The Death of Sanskrit" laid out his idea of its history as a source of power in the hands of a few. He has been editor of the CLAY series of Indian Classics already, and one has to see that to get an idea of his biases. (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Sanskrit_Library ) While doing a great job bringing out the "beauty" of the indian materials, the fact remains that he simply assumes and states the Aryan invasion/migration theory as a given without even raising any issue with it. Very elegant and beautifully produced, this series already has 46 volumes in print, and its influence is considerable. My concern was that the Murthy family might not have invested time and resources to go into the details of the issues at stake in the translation of Indian classics in the west. The Murthy donation will also take this new series from harvard, and send it back into Indian education, making this "Made in USA" depiction of Indian Classics the canon for Indians to study as their definition of themesleves. This is what max Mueller's works did a century ago. It is their money and they have a right to do what they please with it. But wouldn't it have been wiser if they had funded something to do with their area of expertise and competence, so they could at least evaluate and monitor professionally, and not depend on "they are nice fellows" level of naivete. When this rumor was critiqued by me, the head of the Hindu American Foundation inquired and concluded that the runor was false based on his "inside" information from the Murthy's. A few days later the official announcement was made. Also, Prof. Pollock was awarded the Padma Shri award by GOI at a Republic Day ceremony in Rashtrapathy Bhavan, for his great contributions to the study of sanskrit.

None of the reactions from the "Hindu activists" have made any sense either, be it issuing petitions or writing angrily to the parties concerned. They have failed to understand the deeper mechanisms at work. You dont fight a patient's infection by holding playcards shouting slogans against the germs! The doctor has to understand the mechanisms of the disease and how/where to intervene. But a lazy, incompetent man (despite his good intentions) would have no time to go to med school and learn all that, and THEN be competent to defeat the disease. He is in too much of a hurry, wants to make a big splash in public to look important; and hence he stands outside the hospital shouting slogans against the germs. This sounds like a strange analogy, but if you examine closely the "activists" at work, it is a fairly accurate one.
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http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 63#p962663 (may be in poor taste for some but nevertheless a discussion worth having on best practices in Diplomacy showcased in Indian parliament for foreign dignitaries) - Indian hospitality at its best.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 01034.html

I am not sure why this was missed by BRF.
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WRT to Tata's gift to Harvard, It may be interesting, if you already do not know, Few years ago Dr. Deshpande gave $20 Millions to MIT (He is IIT graduate and not MIT).

He also has given several Million dollars over the years to IIT (Chennai). IIRC a large gift (about 100 Crore Rs) was kind of stopped by GOI (GOI refused the conditions as he wanted no interference with the institute from GOI on how to use the money etc)..Also some donors are kind of disappointed with quota system.

(There are several cases, when a person tried to donate n to their schools in India, but could not handle the bureaucracy .. and it became big news (as the amount was in 8 figures) when they gave the money 'instead' to their second choice - school in US)

One think I am glad that many are giving back to their schools, though the % is still pretty low. Eg For MIT about 30% of alumni give back, for IITs the % I think is only about 4% at present.
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It would have been great if Tatas had given their money to IITs/IISc/TIFR etc. People running these institutes should have tried to remove legitimate concerns of the donors.
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In fact, Indians find it a compliment when westerners study them, as though suffering from an inferiority complex of feeling left out. Finally, a key difference is that Indian intellectuals are heavily anti-India because of pseudo-secularism and marxism deeply entrenched in Indian intellectual circles, and most important Indian scholars are western trained and/or funded and/or craving to be in their good books for fame and prestige. Chinese do not suffer such complexes, which in India are the after-effects of colonization.


This is seriously antagonistic to the idea of a rational, free-inquiring, liberal India. Quest for and acknowledgement of ones deficiencies is essential to the organic growth of a society.

Believing the big lie of Islamic privilege or Chinese exceptionalism gets you Pakistan or China and millions killed. The great thing (for India) is that both these irksome societies are headed to cataclysmic events. India because it has chosen to indulge Arundhoti Roy, Pankaj Mishra and Christian zealots whose mission it is to bring light to the heathens etc, is spared holocausts.

This board also needs to have a thread on ugly India.
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More SecDef buzz

http://www.politico.com/blogs/lauraroze ... _buzz.html
Speculation on who might succeed Obama cabinet heavyweight Defense Secretary Bob Gates is increasingly returning two names: retired four-star Gen. Colin Powell and CIA Director Leon Panetta.
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PM to take up with Obama concerns over US visa rules

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pm-to ... ../698075/
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darshan wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 01034.html

I am not sure why this was missed by BRF.
The Anand Mahindra donation of $10 million for Harvard humanities is very troubling. The liberal arts and "social sciences" are a bunch of crap at the Ivy Leagues who put out all sorts of garbage.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:More SecDef buzz

http://www.politico.com/blogs/lauraroze ... _buzz.html
Speculation on who might succeed Obama cabinet heavyweight Defense Secretary Bob Gates is increasingly returning two names: retired four-star Gen. Colin Powell and CIA Director Leon Panetta.
Al-Colin-Bin-Powell is a paki lover deluxe. He was too close to Paki generals like Mushy and called the 2001 attack on the Kashmir assembly as an attack on an Indian garrison.
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Archives: President Eisenhower visits India, December 9-14, 1959

http://www.flickr.com/photos/usembassyn ... 030494241/

Archives: President Carter visits India, January 1-3, 1978

http://www.flickr.com/photos/usembassyn ... 029822191/

Archives: President Clinton visits India, March 21-25, 2000

http://www.flickr.com/photos/usembassyn ... 021762967/
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http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/ ... -deals.htm

There is still a long way to go
August 9, 2010

It is not clear whether Antony will sign three key pacts the US has been pushing for, like the Logistics Support Agreement (LSA), the Communication Inter-Operability Agreement (CISMOA) or the Basic Change and Cooperation Agreement for Geo-Spatial cooperation.

The US is keen that at least the CISMOA and the BECA be inked soon, arguing it will only pave the way for removing key Indian entities from the US export control list or that the transfer of high-tech avionics to India may not be possible.

But India remains unfazed, arguing that Indian entities like DRDO, ISRO and BEL should be removed on their own merit and that the "time has not yet come" for pacts like the LSA, which envisage US and Indian militaries providing logistics support, refuelling and berthing facilities for each other's warships and aircraft.
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Statement by U.S. Ambassador Timothy J. Roemer on information related to David Headley

http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/pr101610.html
October 16, 2010
We are looking into published reports about possible information related to David Headley that goes back before the Mumbai attacks and how such information may have been handled.

We take our counterterrorism cooperation with our Indian partners very seriously; our respective intelligence and law enforcement professionals work very closely together on terrorism issues of mutual concern.

When we have determined exactly what transpired, we will be in a position to speak to the specific claims made in the Washington Post article and other media reports.

I can say that it is our policy and practice to share terrorism-related information promptly with our foreign partners, when we deem that information potentially credible and relevant to their national security. We do exactly that with partners around the world every day, including India.

In the period since Mumbai we have worked very closely with Indian counterparts to provide them with information relevant both to that attack and the subsequent investigation, as well as to potential future attacks and threats to India’s security.

The U.S. and India signed a memorandum of understanding on counterterrorism cooperation in July 2010 that includes new collaboration areas such as maritime security, forensics training, megacity policing and a wide range of other cooperation. We have also provided Indian authorities with access to Mr. Headley in U.S. custody so that the Government of India could put questions directly to him.
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I strongly believe that the Obama trip could be the game changer for the one of Unkils birds, the SH especially..

NDTV reports
Indian jet deal could create 27,000 jobs in US
The Obama Administration is eyeing the lucrative multi-billion dollar tender for medium multi-role combat aircraft of Indian Air Force as this has the potential to create 27,000 jobs in the US. At a time when unemployment rate continues to be at low ebb and US President Barack Obama is struggling to create fresh jobs; such a deal bagged by an American company could give him a big political boost.

Two major fighter jet manufacturing companies - Boeing and Lockheed Martin - are vying for the USD 10 billion Indian tender; which is expected to be raised by the US officials during the India visit of the US President in November. "If either jet wins, we estimate that it could bring 27,000 jobs to the US," Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Robert Blake told a Baltimore-based think tank, thus indicating the importance US attaches in bagging such a deal.

"Equally important, it will help seal our strategic objective of working wing-to-wing with India to bolster global security and stability," Blake said. "India is the world's largest democracy, one of the world's fastest growing economies, and a rising power in Asia and beyond. It has vibrant democratic institutions, a free press, a robust civil society, and an innovative private sector," he said.

"India's commitment to the values cherished by their people and espoused by their founders democracy, pluralism, tolerance, openness, and respect for fundamental freedoms and human rights animate our continued efforts to build a more peaceful, prosperous, inclusive, secure, and sustainable world," he said. "These common values and our increasingly convergent interests have driven an unprecedented transformation in Indo-US relations in just one decade

"Today, the wide scope and the intensity of our bilateral engagement is unprecedented and yet still growing," he said. "President Obama had called India our "indispensable" partner for the 21st century. That's why the President and Secretary Clinton are now forging a new strategic partnership with India that will help shape the 21st century," Blake said.
All this drama about this deal sealing a "so called strategic alliance".. whole load of bs.. Though having said that, I have no doubt that the MMS gov will go down on its knees for Dear Obama Sir and buy that crap of 'strategic alliance'...
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^^ nobody buys the strategic alliance line any more.

its for one time use only and its been used more than once.

IMO India has not used this deal to its maximum potential to extract what it needs from the country/s trying to make the sale. Nothing of any significance has been demanded nor offered.

Look at the way the Chinese negotiate stuff. They extract the juice, the pulp and even the skin.
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Clinton aide's idea: Let Iraq shoot down U.S. plane
A new book says a cabinet member proposed letting Saddam kill an American airman as a pretext for war

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_ ... gh_shelton
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Mort Walker wrote:
darshan wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 01034.html

I am not sure why this was missed by BRF.
The Anand Mahindra donation of $10 million for Harvard humanities is very troubling. The liberal arts and "social sciences" are a bunch of crap at the Ivy Leagues who put out all sorts of garbage.

Here is the link to the write-up posted about Rajiv Malhotra

http://tarun-vijay.blogspot.com/2010/10 ... aires.html
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chetak wrote:http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/ ... -deals.htm

The US is keen that at least the CISMOA and the BECA be inked soon, arguing it will only pave the way for removing key Indian entities from the US export control list or that the transfer of high-tech avionics to India may not be possible.

But India remains unfazed, arguing that Indian entities like DRDO, ISRO and BEL should be removed on their own merit and that the "time has not yet come" for pacts like the LSA, which envisage US and Indian militaries providing logistics support, refuelling and berthing facilities for each other's warships and aircraft.

Until there is political and geo strategic alignment these agreements are dangerous.
Even discussing these agreements without any geo political agreement is actually totally wrong and dangerous for India. How is the first place Indian political class got India to this stage.
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Neshant wrote:
Look at the way the Chinese negotiate stuff. They extract the juice, the pulp and even the skin.
It is the other way around Chinese are given what they want to make sure that PRC is on the side of US against Russia.
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Jarita wrote:

They can follow the same modus they used before to get in into "rich white people" world and wield influence.
Look at USA as a gaint social engineering experiment where each generation is "influenced" by some outside group.


A write-up by person X

One talk I gave compared how harvard studies China with great respect, while India is seen through the human rights lens - caste, women's "oppresion", minority "oppression", etc...
Can you give me some source for this. Now this is a deep subject. This needs lot of data and analysis. Can you find some more article around this subject. Thanks in advance
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