Aircraft Recognition

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 12 Oct 2010 23:39

^^ ha ha... Way to put it, shiv saar... But even looks wise the Su-30 is much better than the Su-27...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Oct 2010 06:34

In the side view, look at the area behind the cockpit. The Su-27 looks like an Su-30 that has been slapped hard behind the cockpit. OK if you want to be kind - the Su-27 look is like that of a swan's neck - a flying swan that is.

Su 27

Su-30

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Flying Swan

Su-27 (ignore the extended air-brake)

Su-27

Pratik_S · Post by **Pratik_S** » 13 Oct 2010 17:47

vivekmehta wrote:sir i am still not able to get the difference between two from this pic . can some guru help me on this. though i am able to understand differences in diff pics. but not getting any clue from this pic.

thanks

Visit the following link to understand the evolution of Flanker, click of the images of the desired variant and you will get the most beautiful diagrams (in color) of the birds. Compare it with other variants and you will understand the difference.
Tree diagram of Flanker Family:
http://www.mars.slupsk.pl/fort/sukhoi/menu2a.htm

shiv wrote:Take the Su 30 (in front) in your hand and give it a tight slap on its neck (behind the cockpit). The neck will then bend down get an Su 27.

Nicely put sir !

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 13 Oct 2010 18:33

Lets hope shiv saar comes up with more such creative analogies and techniques to help us noobs in aircraft recognition!

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 13 Oct 2010 18:39

Shiv Sir,
Your analogy of a slap in the neck is limited only to the identification of single and twin seaters Su-27 family a/cs. I do not think that it will help to identify Su-27 from Su-30. All Su-27 family fighters which are single seaters have that look (Su-27, Su-33, Su-35S etc), while all the twin seaters have raised neck (Su-27UB, Su-30, Su-35BM etc). So when the forum members identified the two a/cs in the pic as Su-27 and Su-30, there is a chance that both may be Su-27s with one being Su-27UB.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 13 Oct 2010 21:04

Something interesting
Link

vivekmehta · Post by **vivekmehta** » 13 Oct 2010 21:26

Pratik_S wrote:
vivekmehta wrote:sir i am still not able to get the difference between two from this pic . can some guru help me on this. though i am able to understand differences in diff pics. but not getting any clue from this pic.

thanks
Visit the following link to understand the evolution of Flanker, click of the images of the desired variant and you will get the most beautiful diagrams (in color) of the birds. Compare it with other variants and you will understand the difference.
Tree diagram of Flanker Family:
http://www.mars.slupsk.pl/fort/sukhoi/menu2a.htm

shiv wrote:Take the Su 30 (in front) in your hand and give it a tight slap on its neck (behind the cockpit). The neck will then bend down get an Su 27.
Nicely put sir !

thanks

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 14 Oct 2010 02:45

Just adding to

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Oct 2010 06:06

Gaur wrote:the two a/cs in the pic as Su-27 and Su-30, there is a chance that both may be Su-27s with one being Su-27UB.

For the newbies there is no mystery in in this and no shame in not being able to identify the difference between an Su30 and Su 27UB. All Russian designations with a "U" in the suffix are trainers and are therefore 2 seaters. If the LCA was Russian, the LCA trainer would be Tejas U. Two seaters have a longer cockpit canopy - most are tandem (one behind the other) seating. Those like the Kiran with side by side seating have a broader cockpit canopy.

In recognizing the finer points I am reminded of the joke about the gynaecologist who could not recognize his patient when she came to the clinic but said "Oh Mrs Smith how are you?" the minute he looked under the skirt. Plane spotting often lets you look at a plane for less than 2 seconds while it is flying by so the man who can tell a Tejas from a Mirage 2000 or a F-15 from and Su 30 in 2 seconds is already good compared to 99% of the sheeple and DDM of this world.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Oct 2010 16:22

Medium to large Helos:

Chinese Z-8 (French Super Frelon under licence - Chini licence or asli licence - don't know)

EH-101

Eurocopter Super Puma

NH 90

Kamov Ka 32

Mi-17 (Looks like Mi-8 but tail rotor is on left (port) side)

Mi-26 - world's biggest Helo

Mi-38

Chinook

Sikorsky Skycrane

Sikorsky S-70

Sikorsky Seaking

Sikorsky S-92

vivekmehta · Post by **vivekmehta** » 15 Oct 2010 14:44

Northrop YB-49 flying wing

Pratik_S · Post by **Pratik_S** » 17 Oct 2010 17:52

Tankers

VC-10

Pratik_S · Post by **Pratik_S** » 17 Oct 2010 17:55

Anybody wants to identify them ?

dipayan · Post by **dipayan** » 17 Oct 2010 19:25

Lets see...from top left to right

Tu - 22,142,195,160
Il - 76,A-50,78 (tanker)
???, Su-34, Su-24, looks like a MiG 25, An-26 to the extreme right
Su -25, MiG 31
MiG 23, MiG 29, Su -27, Su-33 , Su-30 MK?, MiG 29, MiG 23/27
Ka-50, Mi-28, Mi-8/17 (tail rotor not visible), Mi26

negi · Post by **negi** » 18 Oct 2010 08:52

Add to above
1 Ka-25/28
2 Su-25s
1 Su-17
An-30 (extreme left , the glazed nose rules out An-26/24)
And I guess the flanker version in the front is the BM(Su35).
I guess the one you identified as Mi-28(below the Su-35) looks weird (its rotors give an impression as if there are two contra rotating 3 bladed ones) and the 'elevators' are a dead give away of some Ka-50 family (may be Erdogan)

neerajb · Post by **neerajb** » 18 Oct 2010 11:04

dipayan wrote:Lets see...from top left to right

Tu - 22,142,195,160
Il - 76,A-50,78 (tanker)
???, Su-34, Su-24, looks like a MiG 25, An-26 to the extreme right
Su -25, MiG 31
MiG 23, MiG 29, Su -27, Su-33 , Su-30 MK?, MiG 29, MiG 23/27
Ka-50, Mi-28, Mi-8/17 (tail rotor not visible), Mi26

IMVVHO Mi-17. Engine cowls are shorter (relatively to forward fuselage) and I can spot the dust covers on the intakes.

Cheers....

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 21 Oct 2010 10:52

negi wrote: An-30 (extreme left , the glazed nose rules out An-26/24)

~~Nope, its may be An-12 cub - the glazed area in the nose and the lack of bulge on top of cockpit.~~

negi is right, it is An-30 - way to make out is the extended glazed area in the nose under the cockpit.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 22 Oct 2010 18:56

Cross post from Excercise Indra Dhanush thread..

Bala Vignesh wrote:F-16's??? In kalaikunda??? since when???

Added later..
Found this on Google Maps- Its a memorial but can't exactly figure out which bird is that..Link

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 22 Oct 2010 19:07

^^That is a Mig-25.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Oct 2010 20:47

This appears to be a nice, if incomplete resource as far as India is concerned
http://www.aviastar.org/index2.html

Note that Britain has the greatest number of designs against its name

Also see

All the world's rotorcraft
http://www.aviastar.org/index.html

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 25 Oct 2010 21:09

Can anyone identify this helicopter?

Note: Trick Question

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 25 Oct 2010 21:22

^^
Erm, Sea King Mk.42B

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 25 Oct 2010 21:29

^^ This bird is from the Trenton package... The six UH3H that were bought along with the USS Trenton..
I assume that was the twist... Also the bird seems to be outfitted for SAR roles...

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 25 Oct 2010 21:31

Question not tricky enough for Bala

. he is right..

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 26 Oct 2010 06:46

Bala Vignesh wrote:^^ This bird is from the Trenton package... The six UH3H that were bought along with the USS Trenton..
I assume that was the twist... Also the bird seems to be outfitted for SAR roles...

Correcto mundo on top of what Bala saar said note the raised flap in front of the injuns used to protect the intakes IIRC ze kammandu versions HC6? of the RAF had filters installed and very ruggetised for operations in Afghanistan and was very successful onlee.

Also for this IN Seaking bird in questions the nose and the shoulder mounted twin landing gears and the end sponsons looks different onlee or may be its my tired eyes!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Oct 2010 07:12

Bala Vignesh wrote:^^ This bird is from the Trenton package... The six UH3H that were bought along with the USS Trenton..
I assume that was the twist... Also the bird seems to be outfitted for SAR roles...

Someone please explain the differences from regular bilayati Sea Kings to me.

negi · Post by **negi** » 26 Oct 2010 07:36

The most notable difference is that the one's from UKstan (MK.42 and above) have ASW radar behind the main rotor , see the radome in the following pic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SeaKi ... y_2005.JPG

Also the pods above the forward landing gear are different.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 26 Oct 2010 10:09

Jagan wrote:Question not tricky enough for Bala . he is right..

^^exactly, negi sir.. all the days spent in the cool shade of the Sea King in the HAL museum finally paid off...
Ironically sir, had you not mentioned it was a trick question, i would have just said it was a sea king... Only when i noticed the footnote did i realize something was off...

chiru · Post by **chiru** » 31 Oct 2010 02:04

gurulog this is my sawaal to you ! plz recognize this

a free goat will be awarded to mujahids in cave kaamplex 420 for recognizing thij beauty

rakall · Post by **rakall** » 31 Oct 2010 12:02

chiru wrote:gurulog this is my sawaal to you ! plz recognize this

a free goat will be awarded to mujahids in cave kaamplex 420 for recognizing thij beauty

That is a Su27UB/Su30K photoshopped with canards to look like a Su30MKI.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 31 Oct 2010 15:16

Sukhoi al photoshoppi

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 31 Oct 2010 16:04

It is the first Su-30MKI prototype. <*eyes closed and hands clasped in reverence*>

No Photoshop.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 31 Oct 2010 16:45

Aditya G wrote:It is the first Su-30MKI prototype. <*eyes closed and hands clasped in reverence*>

No Photoshop.

Well done Aditya. In fact a random photo search I was doing shows this (via ACIG) to be the 2nd prototype

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_407.shtml

chiru · Post by **chiru** » 31 Oct 2010 23:58

aditya saar you are close and siv saar you are spot on, i got this from famous russian aircraft su-27 by yefim gordon this was a su-30K converted to the su-30MK with canards , a new tail stinger and some other extra stuff, i was surprised because i thought converting the su-30k to MK was impossible

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 01 Nov 2010 00:00

chiru wrote:... i was surprised because i thought converting the su-30k to MK was impossible

Why would that be? Both are derived from the Su-27UB.

chiru · Post by **chiru** » 01 Nov 2010 00:18

what is the physical difference in the following types ? the first shows the su-30mkk and the second the su-27ub, the most amazing display of skill confidence by the pilot

the answer lies in the shape of the vertical stabilizers and rudders. if one looks closely the stabilizers top is flat in the first and angular in the second pic adding to this the rudders are thin and long in the first but are relatively wider and short in the later pic

this is strangely done to identify or rather differentiate aircraft coming from two different assembly plants - KNAAPO and IRKUT respectively

chinese were contracted with knaapo hence their aircraft have a bland looking flat top and we deal with irkut so we have the more angular and sexy looking stabilizer

chiru · Post by **chiru** » 01 Nov 2010 00:21

nachiket wrote:
chiru wrote:... i was surprised because i thought converting the su-30k to MK was impossible
Why would that be? Both are derived from the Su-27UB.

thats right but i thought slapping on canards or physically upgrading the 'K' to 'MK' was impossible

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 01 Nov 2010 02:16

Practically speaking, the upgrade is impossible or rather impractical => though for development it was done.

Else today we would still be flying SB001 - SB018 in MKI config

neerajb · Post by **neerajb** » 01 Nov 2010 09:12

chiru wrote:the most amazing display of skill confidence by the pilot

Photoshopped. The aerial refueling probe is extended i.e. the pic was taken while the aircraft was tanking and pasted over an airfield image.

Cheers....

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 01 Nov 2010 09:15

neeraj, it's not PSed. I remember seeing the video on youtube a long time ago. Unfortunately I could never find it later on no matter how much I searched for it.