International Aerospace Discussion

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2010 11:08

a bit strange since the saudis have also signed a deal to upgrade their E3's to a newer standard.

perhaps its a way of subsidizing the pakis by stationing it in pakistan with a saudi offshore unit kind of singapore or germany having permanent detachments in usa.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 13 Oct 2010 11:16

Guys,

I have had the naging doubt in my head ever since I first saw the concept sketch of the DRDO AEW. That it is a copy of the erieye as implimented for the SIVAM programme.

I know that there are some diffrences betweent the two. Such as the DRDO system having 360 deg ability as compared to 240 for the Erieye. But my doubts persist.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Oct 2010 16:54

Some interesting write up on Tu-214SR Special Mission Aircraft

SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT FOR TU-214

Pics Tu-214SR 1
Pics Tu-214SR 2

a month ago these airplanes proved their worth in a long-haul mission when they flew 13 hours non-stop, over the Far East, Extreme North, then Moscow and back to Kazan. That time everything worked well, and according to the specification.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 15 Oct 2010 17:20

Tokyo, Seoul Mull Advanced 6th Gen Fighters

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 16 Oct 2010 12:51

20 World's most Ugliest Aircraft Designs Ever
TechXilla

Pratik_S · Post by **Pratik_S** » 16 Oct 2010 14:54

^^^
I don't find the Global Hawk to be ugly. I think its probably the most good looking UAV.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 19 Oct 2010 09:25

F-35 JSF: Can It Meet Canada's Needs?

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 20 Oct 2010 19:02

Taiwanese Defense Ministry to Review French-built Fighter Jets

Taiwanese Defense Ministry to Review French-built Fighter Jets
Taipei, Oct.18, 2010 (CNA)
By Emmanuelle Tzeng and Lilian Wu

National Defense Minister Kao Hua-chu said Monday that he will ask for an overall review of the country's French-made Mirage fighter jets after a lawmaker pointed out that the flight hours of the fighters have been reduced due to concern about a possible engine problem.

Legislator Lin Yu-fang of the ruling Kuomintang told a legislative committee that during maintenance operations in May 2009, the Engine Rotors were Found to have Cracks, Resulting in Reduced flying hours.

In May this year, a Mirage Fighter Jet belonging to the French Air Force crashed in southwestern France, possibly due to the same engine fault.

For this reason, the total flying hours of Taiwan's Mirage jets were reduced to less than 5,000 this year from the original target of more than 10,000 hours.

"The flying hours of the Mirage pilots were also reduced from the standard 15 hours per month to 10 hours, even lower than the 12 hours per month logged by Chinese fighter jet pilots, " Lin said, adding that this has affected the nation's air defenses.

Taiwan purchased 60 Mirage-2000s fighter jets from France in 1992, the last batch of which was delivered in 2001.

Fifty-six of the planes remain in service, with four having been lost in crashes.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Oct 2010 19:52

^^^ the hand of unkil is in there somewhere... no doubt ready to ditch M2K's for F16's and JSF's

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 20 Oct 2010 20:36

get them if airframe is ok etc:)

the taiwanese should have maintained them adequately

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 21 Oct 2010 05:14

This just came out.

WASHINGTON, October 20, 2010 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress today of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Saudi Arabia of:

84 F-15SA Aircraft
170 APG-63(v)3 Active Electronically Scanned Array Radar (AESA) radar sets
193 F-110-GE-129 Improved Performance Engines
100 M61 Vulcan Cannons
100 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System/Low Volume Terminal (MIDS/LVT) and spares
193 LANTIRN Navigation Pods (3rd Generation-Tiger Eye)
338 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
462 AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles (NVGS)
300 AIM-9X SIDEWINDER Missiles
25 Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM-9X)
25 Special Air Training Missiles (NATM-9X)
500 AIM-120C/7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
25 AIM-120 CATMs
1,000 Dual Mode Laser/Global Positioning System (GPS) Guided Munitions (500 lb)
1,000 Dual Mode Laser/GPS Guided Munitions (2000 lb)
1,100 GBU-24 PAVEWAY III Laser Guided Bombs (2000 lb)
1,000 GBU-31B V3 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) (2000 lb)
1,300 CBU-105D/B Sensor Fuzed Weapons (SFW)/Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD)
50 CBU-105 Inert
1,000 MK-82 500lb General Purpose Bombs
6,000 MK-82 500lb Inert Training Bombs
2,000 MK-84 2000lb General Purpose Bombs
2,000 MK-84 2000lb Inert Training Bombs
200,000 20mm Cartridges
400,000 20mm Target Practice Cartridges
400 AGM-84 Block II HARPOON Missiles
600 AGM-88B HARM Missiles
169 Digital Electronic Warfare Systems (DEWS)
158 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Targeting Systems
169 AN/AAS-42 Infrared Search and Track (IRST) Systems
10 DB-110 Reconnaissance Pods
462 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System Helmets
40 Remotely Operated Video Enhanced Receivers (ROVER)
80 Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Pods

Also included are the upgrade of the existing Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) fleet of seventy (70) F-15S multi-role fighters to the F-15SA configuration, the provision for CONUS-based fighter training operations for a twelve (12) F-15SA contingent, construction, refurbishments, and infrastructure improvements of several support facilities for the F-15SA in-Kingdom and/or CONUS operations, RR-188 Chaff, MJU-7/10 Flares, training munitions, Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated Devices, communication security, site surveys, trainers, simulators, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistical support services, and other related elements of logistical and program support.
The estimated cost is $29.432 billion.

Some astonishing figures ! Looks like they're getting an unbelievably large number of weapons to stockpile for a possible future confrontation with Iran. They're getting the AIM-9X and AIM-120-C7 variant..the bhikhaaris next door got the AIM-9M and AIM-120-C5. Anyway, a total bonanza for the US and its weapons suppliers.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 21 Oct 2010 06:57

wTF do they need so many harpoons

the numbers make no sense - unless some are going to the bikhari next door

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Oct 2010 07:19

most likely these munition stockpiles are for US use but paid for by saudi money and held in saudi facilities. works out cheaper for US than maintaining all its own stockpiles there. recyling of petro dollars + less opex.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Oct 2010 07:22

anyone know how good the "kongsberg NSM" missile is. euro fanboys are fond of claiming in web fora that its the bestest missile around and all others are obsolete. ofcourse its left as an exercise for the operator how a low flying IIR missile will pickup targets at long range ... I see people still buying harpoons in droves ... so what gives?

saip · Post by **saip** » 21 Oct 2010 07:36

Hi Allah! as far as I know there are only 26 people in saudia and 22 of them are princes. Of that 11 are gay. SO who is going to operate all these super duper systems? Can they even understand the manuals?

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 21 Oct 2010 21:04

Boeing Chinook Pilot Reaches 10K Flight Hours

"That’s a lot of Helicopter Time," said Jack Jordan, Boeing’s CH-47 Test Pilot, on reaching the 10,000 hour flight milestone.

" It’s better than spending an entire year of your life in the sky."

In Fact, It is the Equivalent of Spending 24 Hours per day, Every Day in the Air, for More than a Year.

10,000 Hours = 416 days

1 Year = 365 days

With his feet firmly on the ground¸ Jack Jordan stands in front of one of his favorite aircraft¸ the CH-47F Chinook.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 21 Oct 2010 21:12

Aloha Angels

The Blue Angels perform aerobatic maneuvers for a crowd during the Kaneohe Bay Air Show Sept. 25, 2010, at Marine Corps Air Station Kaneohe Bay on Marine Corps Base Hawaii.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 21 Oct 2010 21:42

singha

I think it could be bestest in that area - where it freezes one's nuts

not sure how it will besstest in tropics where most who matter live

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 21 Oct 2010 22:42

Eurocopter's X3 High-Speed Hybrid Helicopter Demonstrator Seen in this September 6, 2010 photo.

Eurocopter X3 - Wikipedia

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Oct 2010 23:09

seems UK's combat system to control the aster missiles + Sampson radar on T45 ships is undergoing tests. I would not hazard to guess with what the T45 is actually running with today - a couple of bren guns and the main cannon maybe? this is not a peripheral thing...seems no harpoon asm's either to save on cost.

then why build such a giant ship ? a 3000t FFG would have sufficed...built the villa but no $$ to live in it properly

http://www.janes.com/news/defence/idr/i ... _1_n.shtml

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Oct 2010 19:35

I was some what surprised while watching this Sukhoi Superjet Video , the test pilot mentioned that in one of the AOA test they switched off some instrument ( presumably that overrides normal FBW ) then puts the Superjet through an AOA of 34 to 35 degree and it controlled well and did not stall , though in normal passenger flight it will be soft limited to 11 degrees AOA

It is normal for civilian aircraft to be designed with such high AOA ?
Isn't Civilian Test pilot job much more riskier than military ones considering they do not have any ejection seat for emergency ?

Watch it in HD

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 25 Oct 2010 01:19

Singha wrote:anyone know how good the "kongsberg NSM" missile is. euro fanboys are fond of claiming in web fora that its the bestest missile around and all others are obsolete. ofcourse its left as an exercise for the operator how a low flying IIR missile will pickup targets at long range ... I see people still buying harpoons in droves ... so what gives?

Good in context of noise in areas with deep fiords and consequential
requirement to cope with unique reflection characteristics. Else pass time
missile.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 25 Oct 2010 20:50

A new derivative of Igla-S Manpads "Barnaul" ( via WAFF )

1. New laser targeting feature, including laser rangefinder. No more waiting for chirps from the missile. The soldier can now look at a display and know if the target is in range and locked.
2. New thermal imager channel good to 8km
3. New IFF interrogator. Over half the airplanes lost in Georgia in 2008 were shot down by friendly fire due to MANPADS with no IFF interrogators installed on them.
4. Fully integrated with C2I systems so when the MANPAD operator finds a target the info is transferred automatically up the chain of command. The system comes with a GLONASS locator

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 26 Oct 2010 06:49

Austin, got a nice treat for ya on ze Mig 31 BM will try and get it in the next few days onlee

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 26 Oct 2010 14:07

andy B wrote:Austin, got a nice treat for ya on ze Mig 31 BM will try and get it in the next few days onlee

Thanks that would be nice , I have just received Air Intl will scan the Mi-38 part and put it up.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 27 Oct 2010 11:31

Joint Air To Ground Missile (JAGM) successfully tested on SH..

Raytheon Touts JAGM Successes

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 28 Oct 2010 16:05

Airborne Laser Fizzles Again
Aviation Week
http://www.aviationweek.com/media/image ... rumman.jpg

Boeing YAL-1 - Wikipedia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... stowed.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5558 ... elaser.jpg

& the Russian Analog Beriev A-60 - Wikipedia

SureshP · Post by **SureshP** » 29 Oct 2010 19:22

Eutelsat loses just-launched television satellite

European satellite operator Eutelsat said Friday it had lost its W3B television satellite the day after it was launched by an Ariane rocket because of an "anomaly".

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-10-eut ... llite.html

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 30 Oct 2010 00:41

Eutelsat suffers spacecraft loss

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 04 Nov 2010 13:46

Very interesting 30 yr. old UFO sighting and tape of investigating US officers of the event.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... omena.html

UFO tape released after 30-year mystery but fails to explain phenomena
Tape recordings of US military personnel investigating a suspected UFO landing have been released 30 years later.

"....this is weird,defintely weird,something strange..."

andy B · Post by **andy B** » 04 Nov 2010 16:05

Biraders, in the spirit of Diwali some gifts for joo abduls...enjoi onlee

Super Hornet
http://ifile.it/o8b6sl5/Super%20Hornet.zip

Valuable Vipers - How the USAF is updating its Vipers
http://ifile.it/s1umt5g/VAL%20VIPERS.zip

Awesome arsenal of ze Rafale
http://ifile.it/yt52x9w/RAFALE.zip

Combined zip file with articles on ze Gripen NG, EF Aesa, Boeing Future Prospect and Super Hornet Intl being offered to India
http://ifile.it/q4wto1z/Super%20Hornet% ... 20Aesa.zip

JSTARS
http://ifile.it/39r1j0t/JSTARS.zip

Austin Philip and Shankarosky for joo:

The awesome MIG 31 and SU 35

http://ifile.it/8ld9vx6/MIG31.zip
http://ifile.it/na415mh/SU35.zip

Russian Heli Combat aviation reborn
http://ifile.it/hitrped/Rus%20Heli.zip

RUAF During Georgia Paper Tigers???
http://ifile.it/c2h6z8e/PAPER%20TIGERS.pdf

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Nov 2010 16:17

andyB many Thanks

UFO tape released after 30-year mystery but fails to explain phenomena
Tape recordings of US military personnel investigating a suspected UFO landing have been released 30 years later.

The Government deliberately suppresses or falsifies information on UFO , Perhaps to avoid panic or they dont have a clue themself

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 04 Nov 2010 16:18

Columbia develops basic trainers

http://www.daylife.com/photo/08xye57e9s35L?q=Bogota
http://www.daylife.com/photo/0ddd77LgVd3QC?q=Bogota
http://www.daylife.com/photo/0aBp48lc4s8Hl?q=Bogota
http://www.daylife.com/photo/07REfOX8xbfVQ?q=Bogota

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 04 Nov 2010 17:50

andy B,
As always, thanks a lot for the effort.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 05 Nov 2010 07:43

Hunt For 6th Generation Fighter Begins Today
Live Fist

Pics are of the Boeing Concepts for a Next-Generation F-22 Replacement

Next Generation Tactical Aircraft (Next Gen TACAIR) Materiel and Technology Concepts Search

USAF Opens Search for F-22 Replacement
The DEW Line

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Nov 2010 09:03

so it looks like F22 is a evolutionary dead end and the next gen will use F23/JSFish looks and shaping.

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 05 Nov 2010 09:49

@Singha, Call me stupid but I think all manned fighters are a dead end.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Nov 2010 10:00

for A2G it might be possible earlier, but for A2A the idea of distant AWACS controlling swarms of long range UCAVs is still decades away imo...

on dpsa missions without awacs inputs, it will need a full fledged AI brain to survive a multitude of threats and make human quality decisions...

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 05 Nov 2010 10:04

that looks like the original MCA !

manned fighters would be around for 3-4 decades at least if not more.

sumshyam · Post by **sumshyam** » 05 Nov 2010 10:46

Marten wrote:Now, where have we seen this wing design?

Sir, I remember seeing such wing design in a book related to design of F22s. Perhaps that was Lockheed's Shun Works. I barely could remember it.