International Naval News & Discussion

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 23 Oct 2010 20:01

Regarding the y tube vidio of the boat, whats with the dorsal hump. Aft of the control tower.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 24 Oct 2010 00:24

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 24 Oct 2010 12:12

With Nimrod fleet grounded.. Britain has to call in Americans to hunt for Russian sub missing in Atlantic

Two US Navy P3s, which had been involved in the Joint Warrior NATO exercise off Cape Wrath, have been pressed into flying from RAF Kinloss in Moray – home to the ill-fated Nimrods.

A source at Kinloss said: “The Yanks can’t find the Russki.

“You’ve got to think the Nimrods, which are far better equipped for the job, would have pinpointed it in double quick time. The Yanks don’t know where it is.”

The quarry is an Akula class attack nuclear submarine. It does not carry nuclear missiles but is quiet, fast and is believed to be on a par with any attack submarines the US can muster.

“A senior officer with more than 20 years’ Nimrod experience told me this was a shambles.

“He says the P3 is a capable aircraft but nowhere near as effective as the Nimrod, which he said has a far better success at locating subs like the Akula.”

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Oct 2010 12:18

yeah, UK gear is always "niche" but "better than the yanks"

subs, planes, ecm, spies (007) vs clumsy cia contractors....

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 24 Oct 2010 13:24

Singha , UK really had good equipment and in many cases better than Yanks , but the Yanks with their billion dollar PR got away being better.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 24 Oct 2010 17:25

More than piracy drives naval buildup

Although U.S., NATO and European Union forces account for most of the buildup, China, Russia, India, Japan, South Korea and other nations have been increasing their presence in the past two years.

Piracy - which has redrawn shipping routes and driven up insurance costs - is the main driver, but participating nations are also seen as wanting to stake a claim to increasingly important sea lanes.

The buildup says much about the way some powers are taking a more muscular role in world affairs. On the other hand, none of the relatively new entrants comes close to challenging the regional military dominance of the United States, which usually has at least one aircraft carrier in the area with enough firepower to sink almost all the other flotillas.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 25 Oct 2010 01:05

Austin wrote:With Nimrod fleet grounded.. Britain has to call in Americans to hunt for Russian sub missing in Atlantic

Two US Navy P3s, which had been involved in the Joint Warrior NATO exercise off Cape Wrath, have been pressed into flying from RAF Kinloss in Moray – home to the ill-fated Nimrods.

A source at Kinloss said: “The Yanks can’t find the Russki.

“You’ve got to think the Nimrods, which are far better equipped for the job, would have pinpointed it in double quick time. The Yanks don’t know where it is.”

The quarry is an Akula class attack nuclear submarine. It does not carry nuclear missiles but is quiet, fast and is believed to be on a par with any attack submarines the US can muster.

“A senior officer with more than 20 years’ Nimrod experience told me this was a shambles.

“He says the P3 is a capable aircraft but nowhere near as effective as the Nimrod, which he said has a far better success at locating subs like the Akula.”

Routinely have coffee, etc with former C in C of RAF Kilnoss. Not at all
happy but led to understand that Losimouth will still be in operation and
should be able to fill some of the gap. Blames UK defence industry's waste
for much of the problem and sees them as having killed their golden goose.
Anyway, wait and see.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 25 Oct 2010 01:32

sounds like one of those articles which mysteriously emerge as soon as budget cuts loom!!!

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 25 Oct 2010 18:09

Hmm wonder wherw this should go

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story ... idows.html

and the complaint is from Western Naval Command

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 26 Oct 2010 08:06

US to build £8bn super base on Pacific island of Guam

The expansion will include a dock for a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, a missile defence system, live-fire training sites and the expansion of the island's airbase. It will be the largest investment in a military base in the western Pacific since the Second World War, and the biggest spend on naval infrastructure in decades.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 26 Oct 2010 14:15

France ready to deliver helicopter carrier with transfer of technologies

France's shipbuilder DCNS announced on Tuesday it is ready to deliver Mistral class helicopter carriers to Russia with built-in domestic navigation technologies.

"There are no restrictions [in the transfer of technology]," DCNS Director Pierre Legros told RIA Novosti.

The technology is French-made, a spokesman for the French Navy, Hugues du Plessis d'Argentre, said.

Russia and France are currently in talks on a so-called 2+2 scheme, whereby Russia will buy one or two French-built Mistrals and build another two at home. The contract is expected to be inked before the end of the year.

Legros said he did not rule out that Russia could build four Mistrals.

He added that the French-built Mistrals under the contract will be different from their domestic analogues.

They will have thicker take-off decks and firmer hulls so as to avoid breakage when navigating through ice.

The winner of a Russian tender to deliver the Mistrals will be announced after November 4, Legros added.

"We are ready to receive the contract from November 4... and complete construction in 36 months," he said.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 29 Oct 2010 08:26

Russia carries out another successful test launch of Bulava missile

A test warhead from a Bulava submarine-launched ballistic missile successfully hit its target on the Kura test range in Russia's Far East Kamchatka region, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Friday.
The missile was fired from underwater from the Dmitry Donskoy nuclear-powered submarine in the White Sea at 5:10 Moscow time (1:10 GMT).

Video of launch

link

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Nov 2010 22:29

Russian Navy to standardize its warships and submarines

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 02 Nov 2010 22:47

Video worth watching on the two British aircraft carriers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0jgZKV4 ... r_embedded

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Nov 2010 14:32

RN or McHale's Navy?

The dreadfully named HMS "Astute",which was stranded on a Skye sandbank recvently,suffered even more damage hwen the tug sent to rescue her hit her tearing off one of her fins,causing millions of pounds of damage,in this report!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2010/11/04 ... -22691209/

Revealed: Rescue tug crashed into stranded submarine HMS Astute causing millions of pounds of damage
Nov 4 2010 Exclusive by Craig McDonald

THE tug sent to rescue the Navy's grounded showpiece submarine crashed into her and tore off one of her fins, the Record can reveal.

And insiders fear the damage from the collision will cost millions to fix.

We have learned that HMS Astute got away with relatively minor dents when she got stuck on a shingle bank off Skye two weeks ago.

But when Coastguard tug Anglian Prince tried to pull the £1billion nuclear-powered sub free, the two vessels collided.

The impact ripped off Astute's starboard foreplane, one of her navigation fins.

A source said last night: "The damage from the grounding was minor. Astute just had some denting to her casing, which is nothing massively serious for a ship of her size.

"But the damage done by the tug could result in a multi-million pound repair bill. It's ironic."

It's understood the Anglian Prince ran into Astute after her crew attached a tow rope to the sub.

We have been told the rope got snagged in the tug's propellers and the two vessels were pulled together.

The repairs to Astute, described as the world's most modern submarine, are expected to take weeks. Sources say she's not likely to be able to resume her sea trials before March next year.

Astute got stuck near the Skye Bridge on the morning of October 22 as her crew practised transferring personnel from shore to the sub during the trials.

The 100-metre long vessel was stranded for 10 hours as bemused locals gathered on the shore to take photos.

The Anglian Prince was sent from her base in Stornoway to rescue her and the Astute was dragged free at about 6pm.

Divers checked her hull for damage before she headed back to her base at Faslane on the Clyde under her own power.

She was hauled from the water last Thursday so experts could examine her hull and rudder.

A Navy spokesman confirmed last night: "There was a collision between Astute and a tug, which resulted in damage to the submarine's starboard foreplane.

"This will be repaired at Faslane and trials will resume in due course.

"The inquiry into the damage sustained by Astute is now complete, although the findings have still to be released to naval officers."

The Navy has also launched an inquiry into why the sub ran aground.

Reports at the time said she was outside a safe sea lane, clearly marked on Admiralty charts, at the time. A Navy spokesman said last month: "One of the things being looked at is if the charts were up to date with recent seabed changes in the area. The seabed can change quickly."

The probe will look at possible negligence by the crew. The Navy have refused to speculate on whether the Astute's commander, Andy Coles, could face a court martial.

Astute, the first in a class of six new submarines, was launched in 2007 and formally commissioned into the Navy this August.

She weighs 7800 tons - as much as nearly 1000 double-decker buses.

Her nuclear reactor means she will never have to be refuelled and she makes her own air and water supplies. She can sail around the world without having to surface.

She doesn't carry nuclear weapons but is armed with Spearfish torpedoes and Tomahawk cruise missiles which can hit targets 1200 miles away.

The sub has 39,000 acoustic panels on her surface which mask her sonar signature and allow her to sneak up on enemy ships.

The Coastguard tug fleet was set up in 1994 after the Braer oil spill off Shetland. It is on standby 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, and is kept at 30 minutes "readiness to sail".

But days before the Anglian Prince rescued Astute, the Con-Dems announced that the tugs were being axed to save money.

The SNP MP for the Western Isles, Angus MacNeil, said: "The most expensive and advanced submarine in the world has had to be pulled to safety by the tugboat which the Westminster government wants to scrap.

"The Anglian Prince is a vital service. It is regrettable that it is to be removed."

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 07 Nov 2010 16:59

Philip wrote:RN or McHale's Navy?

The dreadfully named HMS "Astute",which was stranded on a Skye sandbank recvently,suffered even more damage hwen the tug sent to rescue her hit her tearing off one of her fins,causing millions of pounds of damage,in this report!

No love lost for the brits, Philip, but the Kursk and Nerpa suffered much worse.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Nov 2010 13:30

Latest UK media reports indicate that the RN had covered up "16" similar incidents involving N-subs ! More details welcomed.

Paki-US under-sea skullduggery.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... [quote]Pak, US divers recover naval equipment

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: A joint team of divers of the Pakistan Navy and United States Navy successfully recovered a piece of naval equipment recently in the Arabian Sea, 40 kilometers from the coast of Pakistan.

A search mounted by the Pakistan Navy located the equipment lying on the seafloor at a depth of approximately 190-200 feet (58-60 metres). This depth presented a technical challenge, and that was when the Pakistan Navy decided to partner with the US Navy for a combined recovery effort.

The Office of the Defense Representative to Pakistan (ODRP) at the US Embassy in Islamabad coordinated the joint mission. “One of our key missions is providing support to the military forces of Pakistan,” said US Navy Vice Admiral Michael LeFever, the ODRP commander. “Therefore, when the request for assistance came in, we moved swiftly to assist where we could.”

“This team effort has resulted in the successful return of a valuable Pakistan Navy asset,” said Pakistan Navy Commodore Mukthar Khan, commander of the Pakistan Navy Auxiliary and Mine Squadron. “The swift mission planning and excellent coordination between our two dive teams was a good example of how partner forces should work,” he said.

With a successful recovery mission behind them, the Pakistani and US dive teams spent several additional days conducting joint training to further enhance their diving skills and coordination of diving techniques between the two countries.
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Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Nov 2010 17:19

Export version of Gorshkov frigate on display at Euronaval 2010

Project 22356 multipurpose frigate

According to information available to the Central Navy Portal, displacement of the frigate is 4,550 tons; length is 135 meters; beam is 16.4 meters; draft is 4.4 meters. Combined diesel-electric main propulsion plant provides the ship with full speed of 29.5 knots; fuel range at cruise speed is 4,500 miles; endurance is 30 days.

Basic attack weapons of the frigate are integrated missile system Kalibr-NKE and antiship missile system Yakhont (up to 16 missiles 3M-54TE, 3M-54TE1, 3M-14TE or Yakhont).

Air defense will be provided by SAM systems Rif-M (32 missiles) of Shtil-1 (36 missiles). Artillery is represented by one 130-mm gun mount, two 30-mm short-range antiaircraft guns, and two pedestal-mounted heavy machineguns.

Antisubmarine warfare is provided by 8 ASW missiles 91RTE2 (because of reduced number of Kalibr-NKE missiles) and small-size torpedo ASW system Paket-E/NK.

Radar equipment includes aerial/surface targets detection radar Fregat-M2EM, distant zone radar display Mineral-ME, sonar systems Zarya-ME-03 and Vinietka-EM, optical-electronic situation display system MTK-201ME. Integrated functioning of all combat radioelectronic facilities is provided by tactical data system Sigma-E22356.

The frigate also equipped with electronic reconnaissance and countermeasures systems TK-25E and launched jammers KT-308-05. One Ka-28 helicopter is permanently based on the frigate.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 09 Nov 2010 12:04

PN's latest Chinese ASW helos.

http://pak1stanfirst.com/201011082825/p ... pters.html

Supplied by China, the helicopter is configured to carry torpedoes and is fitted with state-of-the-art pulse compression radar, low frequency dipping sonar, radar warning receiver and Doppler navigation system.

KARACHI, Pakistan—The second batch of four Z9EC Anti Submarine helicopters, and the first Information and Electronic Warfare Jet aircraft were formally inducted in Pakistan Navy Aviation fleet on Thursday.

The induction ceremony was held at PN Aviation Base PNS Mehran. Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral, Noman Bashir was the chief guest.

The Z9EC helicopters have been acquired from China under the contract with China National Aero technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC). The first batch was inducted last year which has been successfully taking part in Naval Air Operations. These helicopters operate from F-22P Frigates which now make an important part of PN Fleet. The helicopters are equipped with advanced sensors and torpedoes for undertaking designed role of Anti Submarine Warfare.

The acquisition of IW/EW jet aircraft would add a new dimension to Pakistan Navy’s intelligence gathering capabilities. The aircraft, equipped with modern and sophisticated equipment, is capable of covering larger areas in short time span, and would significantly enhance maritime domain awareness of own area of operations.

Speaking on the occasion, Chief of the Naval Staff said that while the Indian Ocean holds maximum stakes in terms of vital resources and strategically important sea lines of communication, It has also witnessed rise in maritime crimes, posing challenges to regional and extra regional players. Considering the threat in the shape of trans-national terrorist networks, security is no longer an isolated affair and navies are today resorting to the concept of ‘collaborative and collective security’. He said that Pakistan Navy is also playing an important role in these collaborative efforts towards peace and security. Induction of new platforms would provide PN with the means to meet these challenges more efficiently and effectively.

Admiral Bashir further said that Pakistan enjoys time-tested, multi dimensional and deep rooted relations with China. These relations have grown deeper and stronger in all spheres of defence and economic cooperation. F-22P and Z9EC projects are clear manifestations of these bonds of friendship.

Earlier in his welcome address, Commander Pakistan Fleet Vice Admiral Tanveer Faiz gave an account of acquisition programme of these aircraft and their role in PN Aviation Fleet.

The ceremony concluded with an impressive fly past of newly acquired Z9EC helicopters. Among others, the ceremony was also attended by Mr. Liu Jian, Ambassador of China, Mr. Yang Ying, Vice President M/s CATIC, senior naval officers and aviators of Pakistan Navy.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 09 Nov 2010 12:46

Huge Algerian military package from Russia,including two new Kilos.Very interesting in this report that the underwater speed of a Kilo is "25kts." This has not been reported before,the speed earlier assumed to be 18-20+ kts.The fact that almost 50 have been built is a fantastic record for this sub which first came out in the '80s.Indonesia,Vietnam and Venezuela are also in the pipeline for Kilos.It would be interesting to see whether an AIP B'mos version of the Kilo/Kilo successor can be devloped for the IN.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?o ... Itemid=106

Algeria has reportedly received two Kilo-class (Project 636) diesel-electric submarines from Russia, ordered as part of an arms package signed in mid-2006. The new arrivals take the fleet to four, French media say.

The package included 180 T-90 main battle tanks and 28 Sukhoi Su-30MK fighter aircraft.

The wikipedia notes the Project 636 “Varshavyanka” class is mainly intended for anti-shipping and anti-submarine operations in relatively shallow waters. GlobalSecurity notes the tear-drop hulled submarine is 72.6m long, 9.9m wide and can dive to 300 meters. The design has a displacement of 3076 tons. Underwater, it reportedly has a speed of up to 25 knots. The complement is 52 and the submarine has an endurance of 45 days. The boat is fitted with six 533mm torpedo tubes and carries up to 18 homing or wire-guided torpedoes, or 24 AM-1 mines.

The outer hull is covered with sound damping tiles and its machinery as well as design is regarded as very quiet. Designed by the Rubin Central Maritime Design Bureau of St Petersburg, the submarine entered service in 1982. The type was originally built at the Komsomolsk shipyard and lately by the Admiralty Shipyard in St Petersburg. It is in service with the navies of Russia, China, Vietnam, Iran, India and Poland, among others. Some 49 of the submarines have been built.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 09 Nov 2010 13:31

I doubt the Kilo can do a 25 knot , the 636 Kilo got a reduced speed of 1 - 2 knot over 877 Kilo due to higher displacement , but they compensated it on all paramaters , the new 636 Kilo is infact a new boat under the old skin and probably a nemesis for Amur , much like a Mi-17V success is hurting the Mi-38.

Indeed the Kilo is surprisingly a export success due to constant improvement , the latest addition are Vietnam with 6 kilo 636 and Russia with 3 more for BSF .

I just hope the India Navy would have gone for more kilos to tide over the critical short fall in sub fleet

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 10 Nov 2010 14:00

Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov Class Firgate

Export version of Gorshkov Project 22356 Frigate

wig · Post by **wig** » 10 Nov 2010 21:36

Babcock says Aircraft carrier changes will add up to £800m to taxpayer bill
Changes to the £5.2bn aircraft carrier programme, intended to save the taxpayer money, will add as much to £800m to the cost of each ship.
The addition of catapult and arrestor gear to the aircraft carrier means the UK does not need to buy the more costly vertical take-off and landing model (VTOL) of the F35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), which will fly off the carriers when they finally go into service in 2020. The extra equipment also means the ships can be used by US and French jets.

However Babcock, part of the BAE Systems-led consortium building the two carriers, estimates adding the equipment will cost £600m to £800m per ship, potentially taking the total bill for the vessels to almost £7bn.

At present, the Government plans to add the extra equipment to only one carrier. A "fully effective" carrier will not go into service with the Royal Navy until 2020 as a result of the changes, rather than 2016 as originally planned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... -bill.html

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 11 Nov 2010 16:21

Nice pics of ther Gorshkov Austin.It would be v.interesting to compare this frigate with the Talwar and Shivaliks,as they have much in common.

I am also intrigued by the Kilo's mentioned speed.It could be a burst speed though,available it more powerful/efficient

SriSri · Post by **SriSri** » 11 Nov 2010 17:26

Chinese Song Submarine Breaches Security, Gets Within Firing Range of USS Kitty Hawk Aircraft Carrier

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 11 Nov 2010 17:44

Philip wrote:Nice pics of ther Gorshkov Austin.It would be v.interesting to compare this frigate with the Talwar and Shivaliks,as they have much in common.

They should be identical to Shivalik in displacement except sensors if you note Gorshkov has a 4 faced Phased Array Radar something we can see on P-15A, SAM is Redut-K( 9M100 ) and 9m96 ( 40/120Km/ARH/HTK ) ,Kashtan-M CIWS , single chopper compared 2 on Shivalik, Anti ship missile Brahmos/Klub identical on both.

I am also intrigued by the Kilo's mentioned speed.It could be a burst speed though,available it more powerful/efficient

Could be but something a diesel electric cant sustain.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 11 Nov 2010 17:47

SriSri wrote:Chinese Song Submarine Breaches Security, Gets Within Firing Range of USS Kitty Hawk Aircraft Carrier

In their own backyard it will be difficult to beat the chinese , its no surprised that a diesel electric sub managed to get that close to CBG , although it is hard to determine what the truth is.

wig · Post by **wig** » 12 Nov 2010 09:08

Rusting ships at France's main naval base
The rusting images of dilapidated assault ships in the southern French port of Toulon, France's principal naval base, are unlikely to warm British naval hearts days after the two countries signed a historic defence pact.
Toulon is home to two thirds of the French Navy's ships – over 70 vessels including its six attack submarines, surface fleet and the Charles de Gaulle – the country's sole nuclear-powered aircraft carrier.

Under the terms of the defence pact, the Charles de Gaulle will supply Britain's only aircraft carrier capability for the next decade. The fault-prone French flagship – once dubbed by French sailors "le bateau maudit" (the cursed boat) – was forced by a technical fault to return to Toulon last month less than a day after setting off to fight piracy in the Indian Ocean.

The 50-year defence partnership between Britain and France will see the two historic foes share aircraft carriers, nuclear weapons research and a joint expeditionary force. From 2020, when Britain has its own new carrier – HMS Prince of Wales – and the Tornado jets to go with it, the two countries will agree to keep one of the two vessels at sea. A second British carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth, due for completion in 2016, will never carry aircraft and will sail for only three years before being mothballed and possibly sold to the French.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -base.html
off track -but it appears that the second British aircraft carrier will be bought by the french

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Nov 2010 09:35

>> was forced by a technical fault to return to Toulon last month less than a day after setting off to fight piracy in the Indian Ocean.

redoubtable show of force indeed. time was when a european gunship would appear off some rebellious colonial dominion and pound it to defeat from its cannons...now they rust in port, have no money to pay their ipod wearing sailors or build new ships and when they sortie out are forced to return for repairs

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 13 Nov 2010 10:05

Lockheed expects 2nd anti-ship U.S. missile contract
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AA5PQ20101111

Lockheed Martin Corp said it expected a Defense Department contract for further development of an air-launched long-range anti-ship missile, alongside one just received for a ship-based version.

The weapons are designed to knock out enemy ships using onboard sensing and computing capabilities. They would reduce U.S. dependence on intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance systems as well as data links and the space-based Global Positioning System. Such onboard capabilities could be critical in war if U.S. eyes in the sky were blinded by anti-satellite weapons, for instance, of a type that China demonstrated in January 2007, when it pulverized one of its own orbiting weather satellites.

Lockheed has already won a $157.7 million follow-on contract to develop the ship-launched, high-speed, liquid-fueled version. The Pentagon said Wednesday that work on this was expected to be completed by April 2013.

"We and our customers believe this technology fills a critical capabilities gap in anti-surface warfare," the company said in a statement on Thursday.

It anticipated a "Phase 2" contract in the near future for the air-launched version, derived from Lockheed's Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile-Extended Range (JASSM-ER) system, the statement said.

"We have great confidence in our ability to develop and ultimately produce an effective, affordable, highly-accurate precision air- and ship-launched weapon system for the naval warfighter," added the company, the Pentagon's No. 1 supplier by sales.

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, an incubator for leap-ahead technologies for the military, awarded Lockheed the first contract under the long-range anti-ship missile program in June 2009.

The joint DARPA-U.S. Navy program aims to demonstrate a mature enough weapon "to support rapid transition to operational use," DARPA said at the time.

The project is moving ahead amid Pentagon concerns over China's development of anti-ship ballistic missiles capable of putting U.S. aircraft carriers and other warships at risk.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates, in a May 3 speech to the Navy League of the United States, said a virtual U.S. monopoly on precision-guided weapons was eroding, "especially with long-range, accurate anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles that can potentially strike from over the horizon."

"This is a particular concern with aircraft carriers and other large, multibillion-dollar blue-water surface combatants," he said.

The new U.S. anti-ship missile would have sufficient range to engage targets from "well beyond direct counter-fire ranges of projected threats," DARPA said last year.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Nov 2010 10:42

Russia set to rebuild its nuclear-powered cruisers

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Nov 2010 13:33

Saudi naval ambitions include a helicopter carrier!

http://tacticalreport.com/view_news/Sau ... rrier/1478

Saudi Navy: Fleet rehabilitation, submarines and helicopter-carrier
Posted on: Fri, Nov 12, 2010
The Saudi Ministry of Defence and Aviation (MoDA) is said to be discussing consulting contracts with foreign defence companies in favor of the Saudi Navy. The following 429-word report sheds light on the subject and tells what about the Saudi Navy rehabilitation programme. It also tells what about the submarine programme and which company is actively working on the helicopter-carrier programme.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Nov 2010 03:24

Philip wrote:PN's latest Chinese ASW helos.

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Speaking on the occasion, Chief of the Naval Staff said that while the Indian Ocean holds maximum stakes in terms of vital resources and strategically important sea lines of communication, It has also witnessed rise in maritime crimes, posing challenges to regional and extra regional players.

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Paki adm saying that!!!!!!!

He must know before we know.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 21 Nov 2010 14:06

British mercenaries hired to take on the Somali pirates http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rates.html

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 22 Nov 2010 07:30

The final frontier

What is India doing?

With such high stakes in the region, given its past, Beijing is unlikely to be a sitting duck with India having an upper hand. It is in this context that the ANC today is not just India’s last military outpost in the eastern region, but as strategically important as any of the other disputed Sino-Indian regions.

Though the military commanders deny that if something goes awry, the region would be witnessing the first Sino-Indian naval clash, the ANC is gearing up to meet the challenges.

The ANC is already in the process of building unidirectional all-weather airstrips, warships, fast attackships and combat aircraft to check China’s adventurism.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Nov 2010 11:09

ANDAMAN ARMY - INDIA'S MOST PRESTIGIOUS AMPHIBIOUS

China has discussed attacking andaman islands and using it to defend their fleet.

India is planning to convert its Andaman and Nicobar tri-services command into an major amphibious warfare hub by setting up full-fledged training facilities and basing a sea-and-land fighting unit to provide teeth to its capability to take the battle into enemy shores.

With over 550 islands dotting the strategically located spot in the Bay of Bengal with near 500 of them still uninhabited, the Andaman and Nicobar Islands provide the Indian armed forces the ideal landscape to train its troops on amphibious warfare, which entails landing on the beaches of the enemy territory and taking the gun fight right into the mainland.

"There are plans to have an amphibious warfare training facility in the Andaman and Nicobar islands just as the jungle and guerrilla warfare school that the Army has in the North East.

"The hundreds of virgin islands here provide the ideal training facility for the troops to gain expertise in the specialist operations," a senior officer from the Andaman and Nicobar Command told PTI here.

The tri-services command here, which came up in 2001 after a need for a joint all-service formation was felt, already has
surface units to support amphibious operations, which are difficult manoeuvres considering that the troops are exposed
to greater risks while entering open landscape in hostile territories.

The Command here already has naval surface vessels such as a large Landing Ship Tank (LST) that can carry about 220 fully
armed troops along with six trucks, 10 main battle tanks and 12 infantry combat vehicles at the same time for long duration. In fact, it could carry 800-men battalion too for shorter duration.

The vessel also has a medium LST, apart from several Landing Craft Utility (LCU) with capacity to carry 35 armed troops right up to the beach and land there, the officer said.

The LST's support is very important for storming enemy land or bases to provide the shock effect with the armoured vehicles using their fire power to inflict maximum damage to the adversary.

The Command at present has a Brigade comprising three battalions, two from the Army and one from the Territorial Army, deployed in Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

The only dedicated amphibious warfare Brigade of the Army is currently posted somewhere in the south-eastern coast of
India. Lakshwadeep Islands on the east coast is where the Army's Brigade currently carries out its practice session and
exercises.

However, Andaman and Nicobar having a Command headquarters based here would have a greater role to play in honing the skills of the Indian troops, the officer added.

Incidentally, India had only last year inducted an indigenously built Landing Pontoon Dock (LPD), a warship larger than LSTs that can support amphibious warfare and also act as a replenishment ship for navy battle ships operating away from the Indian waters....ANDAMAN ARMY - INDIA'S MOST PRESTIGIOUS AMPHIBIOUS WARFARE BASE - 9.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Nov 2010 15:02

The PLAN will not have the actual capability to enter the Indian ocean and deal with India for another 10 years. That is assuming that India sits with its thumb up its A$$ and the PRC working overtime. That is not the case. India may not be working overtime but it is hardly siting with the thumb up its A$$ where the fleet is concerned.

The fight will not be in the andaman sea. It has to be on the choke ponts of the Indian ocean. If we are forced to take on the PLAN in the Andaman sea. It is already a defeat for us.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Nov 2010 16:19

BRazil's nuclear sub ambitions,6 by 2040+.,plus 20 conventional subs too.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-2 ... ports.html

wig · Post by **wig** » 29 Nov 2010 10:05

the Aircraft carrier HMS Invincible is put up for sale

After 32 years of service in the Royal Navy, the carrier Invincible is up for sale on the Disposal Service Authority.
is an ignominious end for a ship that served in the Royal Navy from 1973 to 2005, and took part in the Falklands, Balkans and Iraq wars before being decommissioned in 2005.

The Ministry of Defence is understood to be hoping to raise £2 million after they put the 17,000 ton vessel up for sale on edisposals.com.

But so far no bids have been received for Invincible, which is listed on the site as 'in stock'. In its heyday the ship was powered by four Rolls-Royce gas turbine engines, could reach a top speed of 28 knots, and had a range of 7,000 nautical miles. It was equipped with up 18 Sea Harrier, four Sea King helicopters and had a ships compliment of 1,050.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... -sale.html

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Nov 2010 13:24

pakistan could buy it. the asking price is affordable.