Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 24 Oct 2010 14:51

MADE IN ENGLAND!!!!

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andre ... -republic/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 12268.html

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Oct 2010 20:11

shades of pak being eaten piece by piece by the monsters it spawned and sheltered.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 25 Oct 2010 01:06

Blair's sister-in-law converts to Islam

Booth (43), who has once figured in a reality television contest, told a section of British media, ``I had a delightful experience at a Muslim shrine in Iran six weeks ago. I now pray five times a day and occasionally go to a mosque. And I haven't had an alcoholic drink for 45 days.''

Booth now covers her head and neck with hijab when outside her home (and doesn't rule out wearing a burqa in future), no longer eats pork and reads the Quran every day.

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 25 Oct 2010 01:09

^ AoA!

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 25 Oct 2010 09:39

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/s ... air/171650
Tony Blair says World should have listened to India regarding Islamic terror and how it took something like 9/11 to wake them up.
Warning: Barkha might make you puke in more than one instance in this small clip.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Oct 2010 10:05

^ blair sis in law

looks like the old boy is repositioning himself as a strategic consultant to the gulf sheikhdoms, thought leader and 'mediator' between the west and islam (zakaria will be pissed to know that) and generally rake in big bucks as a invited speaker to neo-caliphate councils in UK.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 25 Oct 2010 12:18

^^^blair is already the uk gov's special envoy to the mid-east, so that role is already a done deal
he speaks at many major conferences and events in the region and is generally well received
a-rabs have a thing about sharp dressed and well spoken european males...

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Oct 2010 14:44

Altair wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/s ... air/171650
Tony Blair says World should have listened to India regarding Islamic terror and how it took something like 9/11 to wake them up.
Warning: Barkha might make you puke in more than one instance in this small clip.

Blair: Now I have many Pakistani friends, people I talk to ....
Barkha: And so do I ....

Did anybody ask her that? Blair is the one being interviewed. Is having Pakistani Friends some tag of honor?

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 26 Oct 2010 04:39

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/w ... air/171850

Folks,

Watch the whole thing here. The clip that was shown earlier is only small part.

[My paraphrasing, not verbatim Blair quote]
Blair clearly says: You [Referring to India & specifically Hindus] are a very open minded and also uses the word Hindu nation; you welcome everyone, yet you have this problem with radical Islam. It is because these fundamentalist see as "you and us". And they don't agree with our world view.

He says India and West are allies on war against radical Islam because it is for same reason the problem [between everyone and Muslims] surfaces everywhere. He also mentions that its not just that some people who are indulging in the terrorist acts are the only problem, but there is a narrative within Islam that supports and it along with these people has to be confronted. So its not some security problem alone as he used to assume.

Also, he makes a point that while talking to mushy about Kashmir issue, how mushy said that Palestine needs to be resolved first in that context. This apparently lit up another bulb in his head why radical Islamist, the terrorist and the extremist narrative is a GLOBAL threat.

He admits that this narrative/strain in present within Pakistan society.

From Oh its some Indian problem ---> Oh its a security problem ---> Oh its the problem within them, since they view as us v/s you.

Why do these people talk sense only after leaving from power ? Why not before ? Johann any comments.

Also, if Blair understands it, so must Bush and current American leadership, so why not act accordingly and not just start talking about it freely once you are no more in power ?

Watch the full thing. Jingos will like it, though its nothing new for people over here.

Also, note how Barkha is quietly listening and nodding in agreement as Blair talks about radical Islamist narrative behind all these terrorists and their acts across the globe. Would she behave the same way had this been some BJP or RSS leader instead of Tony Blair ?

Also, when she can understand radical Islam and will agree with that there is a narrative behind it and the acts of terror perpetrated by folks following it, then how come its hard to see plunder of India at the hands of Islamic armies and by extension destruction of Hindu, Buddhist sites of significance to establish supremacy of Islam by hordes of fanatics that invaded India for past 1200 years ?

Very honestly speaking I have had talks with WKK types who totally in person, in a one on one talk, totally admit to mass murdering & uncivilized ideology within Islam, but when I meet them in a group of people they will be singing opposite tune. Has any one else experienced this ? Any reason why people say that ?

CRS, Rajesh A, RamaY, Ramana, Brihaspati and other more learned folks any comments.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 26 Oct 2010 08:15

^^^ All play. These guys like to operate on both sides of the divide just as the British did with Indias partitions. They were with both India and new Pakistan.
Right now the primal goal is to attach the India muslim to the global ummah and then use it as a weapon to destroy their competitors. They know exactly what they are doing. Come what may Indian need to united.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 26 Oct 2010 11:00

MOAN, MOAN, MOAN

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rants.html

Oh yes there is that $800 million "per year" as well

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... soars.html

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Oct 2010 21:28

Jarita wrote:^^^ All play. These guys like to operate on both sides of the divide just as the British did with Indias partitions. They were with both India and new Pakistan.
Right now the primal goal is to attach the India muslim to the global ummah and then use it as a weapon to destroy their competitors. They know exactly what they are doing. Come what may Indian need to united.

Very good observation. And that is what India needs to prevent.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Oct 2010 22:50

ramana wrote:
Jarita wrote:^^^ All play. These guys like to operate on both sides of the divide just as the British did with Indias partitions. They were with both India and new Pakistan.
Right now the primal goal is to attach the India muslim to the global ummah and then use it as a weapon to destroy their competitors. They know exactly what they are doing. Come what may Indian need to united.

Very good observation. And that is what India needs to prevent.

Sirjee,

This has already occurred en masse in the case of states like kerala, UP, places like hyderabad etc where the IMs have come into contact with jehadi elements in the gulf and saudi.

The kerala IMs have already reached a stage of being shot dead on the kashmir border, asking for sharia to be implemented and whatnot.

The process of attachment began quite some time ago.
When IMs protest violently the cartoons or some other manufactured cause, the ummah feeling is purposely reinforced and slyly strengthened.

When the swell reaches a large enough momentum, then the rage turns inwards in a lebanon like situation in which even if they lose, they win.

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 27 Oct 2010 03:55

I don't think he was talking about IMs from Indian heartland. It was about Pakistan & KMs. At least, that was my impression.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 27 Oct 2010 03:57

^^ What makes one think KMs are not Indian?

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 27 Oct 2010 12:10

Sumeet,

Blair has always been very pro-India, more so than perhaps any other Western leader in living memory.

Robin Cook represented the left wing of the Labour Party which has been sympathetic to Islamists of all stripes since the Iranian revolution in 1979 and the Israeli invasion of Beirut in 1982.

Robin Cook's removal as foreign secretary in 2001 came largely thanks to his battles with Blair over his attitudes towards India and Israel.

The LeT and JeM were declared terrorist organisations under Blair *before* 9/11, and before the Parliament attack and before Kalachuk, i.e. before the Bush Administration.

Please see some of Blair's speeches while in office about Militant Islamism - I have not seen any other world leader speak so clearly on the subject

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4689363.stm

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 27 Oct 2010 12:22

^^^ Johann, do you think Blair's views on militant islam stem from his political convictions, or his religious ones? (or somewhere in between?)

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 27 Oct 2010 12:40

Lalmullah,

I think Christopher Hitchens has shown in his analysis of Blair's actions and words that he's consistently had a problem with totalitarian ideologies of all sorts, and Salafi Jihadism is the most infectious totalitarian ideology around today.

Blair's centre-left 'progressive' Christianity *may* be the reason he has taken than tack, but I don't think that's it. Left-wing touchy-feely Christians seem masochistically inclined to turn the other cheek to bullying Islamists, just as reactionary right-wing Christians are determined to slap the cheeks of just about everyone else.

Blair consistently and publicly reached out to ordinary Muslims even while being willing to openly name militant, reactionary Islam as the threat. So I think its old-fashioned liberal politics more than religion.

In fact Blair has recently said that at the time of 9/11 he was relatively ignorant and naive about the strength and depth of the appeal of reactionary interpretations of Islam across the Muslim World.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 27 Oct 2010 12:42

i'm looking forward to getting to those chapters in his biography, fairly heavy reading i find... progress is slow, and BRF takes up too much time

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 28 Oct 2010 21:01

Remote-controlled RAF drones killing Taliban kingpins at rate of one per week http://www.newkerala.com/news/world/fullnews-72655.html

Kabul, Oct 28 : Pilotless drones of the Royal Air Force, flown by remote control, are killing the top brass of the Taliban in Afghanistan at the rate of one per week.

The camera-fitted Reapers have blitzed the enemy 124 times in the last 29 months, The Sun reported.

Thirty-three of the strikes involved 500lb laser-guided bombs, the paper said.

The Helmand hideouts of Afghanistan's terror chiefs, bomb experts and their vehicles have been targets of the armour-piercing Hellfire missiles, it added.

Last month it emerged that SAS and SBS Special Forces had killed at least 64 of the Taliban's senior commanders. "SAS and SBS teams on the ground have found them indispensable," an RAF source said.

Amazingly, the pilots, who are members of the RAF's 39 Squadron, and fly the hi-tech Reapers by remote control, are not physically present in Afghanistan. They are based thousands of miles away at Creech US Air Force base in Nevada.

Since the Reapers fly at 25,000 feet, the targets have no idea that they are being pinpointed.

Talking of a video showing footage of one fanatic laying a troop-killing bomb, the RAF source pointed out, "The bomb planter is turned to pink mist by a Reaper's Hellfire just minutes after it spotted him hard at work."

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 28 Oct 2010 21:31

@Raghavendra^^^Only problem: AGM-114 Hellfire Missile Unit Cost: $40,000. Fanatic Abdul unit cost = $0-$500 and let's not even talk of operating costs.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 28 Oct 2010 22:31

cost of dead soldier >> $40,000

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 28 Oct 2010 22:46

That was the Vietnam rationale—using $100K missiles to knock out bamboo bridges. Still ended up with the last helicopter leaving the embassy.

Those Hellfires have to find some higher value targets across the border. Else it is a losing game this 1 missile for 1 Abdul.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 29 Oct 2010 16:28

because the west doesnt actually want to win in afghanistan badly enough

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 29 Oct 2010 21:11

How Churchill 'starved' India

Iam actually surprised that beeb has allowed this to be published.
Check out the brit comments below.

Ashwin B · Post by **Ashwin B** » 31 Oct 2010 05:20

^^^^^

Has anyone been reading the comments section?

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 31 Oct 2010 06:28

More skeletons from that racist Churchill's cupboard

The dark side of Winston Churchill

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 01 Nov 2010 20:54

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11667620

Not strictly India related, but

Prosecutor William Boyce QC, said Miss Choudhry had told detectives she was trying to kill Mr Timms for "punishment" and "to get revenge for the people of Iraq".

"When asked why she had stabbed him a second time she said 'because I wasn't going to stop stabbing until someone made me'," Mr Boyce said.

Jeremy Dein QC, defending Miss Choudhry who was not in court, said she did not recognise the jurisdiction of the court and did not wish her lawyers to challenge evidence put before the jury.

I am sure when she or her relatives applied for a visa/Residency permit and getting benefits they had no qualms in recognizing UK jurisdiction.

KrishnaMu · Post by **KrishnaMu** » 02 Nov 2010 00:16

Very worrying developments from UKstan media again.

Drug resistant superbug etc...

Kashmir's summer uprising:...

Violence between Indian police and pro-independence protesters around Srinagar over the summer resulted in more than 100 deaths. For Channel 4 News, John Sparks met the families of two of the victims.

I am really not sure the amount Indian obsession in UK media is beyond belief. Why don't Indian media do a report(like Toi) do a report teenage stabbing and YOUNG single mothers (only ills in society). Can't wait for Scottish freedom referendum?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 02 Nov 2010 00:30

Ashwin B wrote:^^^^^

Has anyone been reading the comments section?

I didnt bother reading the article. Dove straight into comments.
Those interweb yindus, they are everywhere.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 02 Nov 2010 22:45

Here's a video worth watching. This is about the two aircraft carriers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0jgZKV4 ... r_embedded

will cross post to international military thread

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 03 Nov 2010 05:41

KrishnaMu wrote: I am really not sure the amount Indian obsession in UK media is beyond belief. Why don't Indian media do a report(like Toi) do a report teenage stabbing and YOUNG single mothers (only ills in society). Can't wait for Scottish freedom referendum?

Because we really don't give a *&^% what the Brits are upto? They on the other hand seem not to have gotten over their loss of empire. Besides our ignoring them only annoys them more so why not?

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 03 Nov 2010 18:37

^^^

The British are not to be trusted on anything to do with the subject of communal relations, India-Pakistan, the Kashmir issue, the nuclear issue or India-China. They have shown a penchant, over and again, for being dishonourable, crafty and conniving. Even on the India-China question, when they are lauding India(i.e the Economist article), there is something dishonourable in the way they go about it. The British have problems with wholesomeness, honourability and transcendence. There are of course exceptions like Tim Sebastian and Stephen Sackur of the BBC.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Nov 2010 21:03

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11681989

israel slaps UK in the face over arrest warrants issued on israeli officials in the past.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 04 Nov 2010 05:37

How Churchill 'starved' India

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 09 Nov 2010 23:55

EU leak reveals UK to take major share of Indian IT workers under work permit agreement
http://www.visabureau.com/uk/news/09-11 ... ement.aspx

EU to let in 50,000 workers from India

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z14oSRANWr

UK to push India on Typhoon
Tuesday, November 09, 2010
http://www.defencemanagement.com/news_s ... p?id=14692

Today's Britain and British people are different from those days of British Raj to many extent. India should think of investing a lot in Britain too as many Indians work here as highly skilled doctors and Engineers and administrators and investors. Indians are highly respected for their high skills and hardwork.

Indians rank second among international students in UK
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 894493.cms

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 10 Nov 2010 00:02

Indians are highly respected for their high skills and hardwork.

Does Price Phillip know that?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Nov 2010 00:42

We have our desi version of Tonyji.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 10 Nov 2010 09:38

Land reforms anyone?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... untry.html

More than a third of Britain’s land is still in the hands of a tiny group of aristocrats, according to the most extensive ownership survey in nearly 140 years.

In a shock to those who believed the landed gentry were a dying breed, blue-blooded owners still control vast swathes of the country within their inherited estates.

A group of 36,000 individuals – only 0.6 per cent of the population – own 50 per cent of rural land.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 10 Nov 2010 16:58

reported details of the 7/7 bombing inquest proceedings
of interest for emergency service awareness and planning if nothing else
Inquest