The Curious Case of Daood Gilani alias David Headley & co

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 22 Oct 2010 00:53

Philip wrote:Ramanna,we have been redcued to the status of a banana ,coconut or mango republic-take your pick, thanks to Dr.Mis-singh.Missing when the CWG was being mismanaged and funds looted until he was forced to appear when the sh*t hit the fan,missing when Kashmir burned for weeks,and his response to resolving the issue by sending in "interlocutors" with no political "meat" on their bones,has made him and India the laughing stock of the world.Just read this piece in the Indian Express and the utter contempt with he is being held in within the country and without too,for many weeks ago,before the CWG scandal, I posted a piece of an eminent Indian based in Europe who pieced togather several articles from various EU countries about Dr. Mis-Singh,concluding that he was either utterly incompetent in dealing with India's corruption or complicit in allowing it to take place.he has also been missing for years with respect to the threat from China until the Chinese questioned India's sovereignity on AP and Kashmir.He is an unmitigated disaster with regard to India's security,toothless in combating corrupotion within his party and allies (Spectrum scam for one) and fit only to be a White House flunkey!

PS:And we aren't even talking about his disastrous "peace talks" with the Pakis at S-al-S,Baluchistan et al!

Here's the IEX on his bumbling on Kashmir.
http://expressbuzz.com/opinion/columnis ... 16687.html

I'm pretty sure your best argument can't be an article by Seema Mustafa who from the looks of her biography has an agenda. At any rate statements like "Or two, and this seems to be plausible as well, is that the government does not want a solution of any kind and is quite happy containing and keeping the state by force." do little to endear her to me. Given her stated positions both in other writing as well as subtext in the piece, what do you expect her to say? MMS is great?. You can always find "someone" who holds any given public figure in contempt. She's big on opinion and rumour which given it is an opinion piece is acceptable. Holding it up as proof of some kind of national sentiment is not. Criticism of the PM is fine but by pointing out such shaky justifications you greatly damage the credibility of the rest of your arguments as well.

Sen_K · Post by **Sen_K** » 22 Oct 2010 01:54

Gang of seven Pakistan armymen behind 26/11: Headley

Twenty-one people plotted 26/11, including four serving officers of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and three ex-officers of the Pakistani Army, David Coleman Headley has said in a 109-page interrogation report prepared by the National Investigative Agency (NIA).

Of the serving ISI officers Headley named, Major Sameer Ali and Major Iqbal were already cited in a dossier sent by India to Pakistan earlier this year. Headley has now named two more: Lt-Colonel Hamza and Colonel Shah.

"The LeT (Lashkar-e-Tayyeba) chief, Hafiz Saeed, is very close to the ISI," the report quotes Headley as saying. "The chief commander of the LeT, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, is close to the directorgeneral of the ISI. ISI officers have profound influence and great control over the top brass of the LeT."

Headley also confessed that he separately briefed his ISI handler, Major Iqbal, after every reconnaissance visit to Mumbai. "I carried out certain exclusive reconnaissance tasks for my ISI handlers," Headley says. "Every important member of the LeT is handled by one or more ISI officers. Hafiz Saeed is diplomatic and never talks directly. I have shown you his house on the Google Earth map. He is well-protected. Without his
approval, 26/11 could not have happened."

Headley spoke for 34 hours from June 3 to June 9 this year in Chicago to a team of the National Investigation Agency (NIA). However, India has no independent corroboration from either the US or Pakistan if these names are for real. In the report, Headley says Major Sameer Ali, Major Iqbal, Lt-Col
Hamza and Col Shah were central to the 26/11 plot. He describes these men and his first meeting with them in Lahore.

"Major Iqbal is in his mid-30s, 5'9", fat, with a moustache, a big head, thick hair and a deep voice," Headley says. "He smokes cigarettes. In the first meeting, he introduced me to his boss, Lt-Col Hamza, who was in his early 40s, 5'6", baby-faced and also overweight by army standards. He appeared to
be from Punjab. This I could guess from his accent. They listened to my entire plan to attack India for more than two hours."

Headley spoke at length about retired Pakistani Army Major Abdur Rehman alias Pasha and a key LeT man, Sajid Majid, who Headley claims has undergone plastic surgery to hide his true identity.

Last week, India got Interpol to issue Red Corner Notices (RCNs) against both Rehman and Majid. Headley says both these men were in India in April 2005 and had recced the National Defence College (NDC) in Delhi and the Indian Military Academy (IMA) in Dehradun. This was after the LeT attacked bus services in Muzaffarabad and Srinagar.

"They went under the pretext of watching an Indo-Pak cricket match," Headley reveals. "They went from the Wagah border. Rehman went to the NDC for the recceâ€¦ both had possibly gone to the IMA. Rehman recalled to me that Sajid was very nervous at the Wagah Gate on their way back."

Headley says Rehman was a hardened jihadi who retired as a Major from the 6 Baloch Regiment of the Pakistan army and was in direct touch with the al-Qaeda top brass. Rehman quit the army after refusing to fight the Taliban in Tora Bora in 2002. He later trained an LeT suicide squad to carry out attacks in India while Headley was training with the terror group in 2003.

"Around 2004, the Indian PM's rally was attacked in Srinagar by the LeT. This attack was carried out by one of the trainees of Rehman," Headley says, identifying this particular attacker.

Headley, who was born Daoud Gilani to a Pakistani-American father and an American mother but later changed it to David Coleman Headley to avoid racial profiling at US airports, says Hamza assured him of financial help for the 26/11 mission. "(Hamza) directed me to follow the directions of Major Iqbal from time to time and inform the Major about all my activities," he is quoted in the report as saying.

In March 2006, on the streets of Lahore, Iqbal trained him in clandestine photography and spycraft. This was after Headley had completed his LeT training. "I became close to Major Iqbal as I found him professional in his approach," he says. "Major Iqbal taught me the basics of Intelligenceâ€¦ this included several lessons, such as how to create sources, how to take cover and so on. After explaining the theory, he would take me to the streets of Lahore to execute them. His training was much more scientific and effective than the trainings I did in LeT camps. I truly enjoyed this training."

Two other Pakistani ex-army officers and brothers -- Major Haroon and Major Khurram, from 10 Punjab and 6 Baloch regiments of the Pakistan army respectively -- were also trainers for the LeT, Headley says. Headley also identified Sajid Majid, from the transcripts recorded during the 26/11 attack, as the person directing terrorists on the phone to kill all, including women, at Nariman House in Mumbai. He says Sajid showed him a number of CDs of atrocities on Indian Muslims, including videos of Gujarat Bajrang Dal leader Babu Bajrangi shot during the Gujarat riots of 2002.

Headley speaks of two other important and senior LeT operatives -- Muzzammil and Abu Dujana. He claims Muzzammil was behind the Chattisinghpora massacre in March 2000, when 34 Sikhs were assembled and shot dead in the village gurudwara by militants dressed in Indian Army fatigues. Headley claims Muzzammil also planned the Akshardham temple attack in Gujarat in September 2002.

Headley also identified the voices of Abu Qahafa and Abu Hamza, besides Sajid Majid, as those directing the 26/11 terrorists on the phone.

Headley gave NIA details of LeT and ISI safe-houses and also LeT's operational camps. Using Google Earth, he pointed out a couple of LeT safe-houses in Rawalpindi, along with the houses of LeT founder Hafiz Saeed and Abdur Rehman, in addition to his own.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2010 09:36

Headley filmed BARC for ISI

David Headley videotaped the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) and its large residential colony in Mumbai for the ISI. This video, Headley revealed, was not given to the Lashkar-e-Taiba.

During his interrogation by the National Investigation Agency (NIA) in Chicago, Headley said, "(in March 2008) Major Iqbal (who he described as his "handler" in the ISI) asked me to explore BARC in Mumbai and specially its staff colony as a target. He gave me the mobile phone camera (and) some counterfeit money." After he returned, Headley gave the video to Iqbal but did not give it to his LeT colleague, Sajid Majid.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Oct 2010 17:12

Anjan,that IEx quote wasn't my "best argument".It was just one of many opinions within the country revealing the fact that the "King who is Singh" like the proverbial emperor,"has no clothes".For quite some time now the evidence that Dr.Singh is a lame duck with only one obsession,the N-deal has been evident to most observers.He is being criticised in not just the Indian media but media abroad for his failure to at least try and stamp out rampant corruption that is rife within his own ministry.The CWG scams come on the heels of the T-20/Tharoor escapade,the Spectrum scam,now in the SCourt,with the final straw being the manner in which he oversaw,or rather turned a Nelsonian eye to the looting of the nation through the CWG.This last disaster has truly opened the eyes of a vast majority of Indians who are appalled at the manner in which the scamsters were so easily able to obtain a blank cheque of the taxpayer's money.Even with the N-deal,the shameful manner in which votes were allegdly bought,if one recalls that sorry episode,besmirched his reputation.He has been missing whenever a major crisis has occured hiding himself behind a bunch of babus and cabinet cronies.The hilarious,if it was not so serious,of sending three "interlocutors" to kashmir who have no political standing has become a sick joke.

When it comes to foreign affairs,he displays absolute servility.Just compare him with stalwarts like Mrs.G.,ABV,Rajiv-even VP Singh and Gujral! His awe of the US and west reeks of the servility of a colonial serf.As another media piece today said,there is no need for India to "genuflect" when Obama arrives,but Dr.Singh from his track record of gush-gush sentimentality when Bush was around ("India loves you"),will even prostrate himself if it gets him western accolades.Why hasn't he demanded the extradition of Headley-Gilani,Anderson and our R&AW traitor,who defected to the US? On the security of India,he has been as eloquent as a deaf and dumb mute.No wonder that he gets accolades from that bandicoot Gen.Mush-a-rat!

We are going to see even more disasters in the future and it is clear that Dr.MMS is in decline,at least in the eyes of most ordinary Indians,he has past his "sell-by" date.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Oct 2010 01:37

We need to develop a composite story of DCH from the time he went back to TSP in the early 80s. Its clear he had high TSP connections and he was courier of sorts from the begining.

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 23 Oct 2010 10:44

Philip wrote:Anjan,that IEx quote wasn't my "best argument".It was just one of many opinions within the country revealing the fact that the "King who is Singh" like the proverbial emperor,"has no clothes".For quite some time now the evidence that Dr.Singh is a lame duck with only one obsession,the N-deal has been evident to most observers.He is being criticised in not just the Indian media but media abroad for his failure to at least try and stamp out rampant corruption that is rife within his own ministry.The CWG scams come on the heels of the T-20/Tharoor escapade,the Spectrum scam,now in the SCourt,with the final straw being the manner in which he oversaw,or rather turned a Nelsonian eye to the looting of the nation through the CWG.This last disaster has truly opened the eyes of a vast majority of Indians who are appalled at the manner in which the scamsters were so easily able to obtain a blank cheque of the taxpayer's money.Even with the N-deal,the shameful manner in which votes were allegdly bought,if one recalls that sorry episode,besmirched his reputation.He has been missing whenever a major crisis has occured hiding himself behind a bunch of babus and cabinet cronies.The hilarious,if it was not so serious,of sending three "interlocutors" to kashmir who have no political standing has become a sick joke.

I don't much like his style either. I only took issue with your giving people like her more coverage than she deserves. The only place I disagree with your criticism is all the jaw-jaw and flattery he does. We commend the US deviousness in playing to Indian sentiment with statments and hurting us with their actions. I think it is only fair to judge the Indian govt. too by the same standards. If praising Obama to high heavens can actually get us anything tangible in return then I'm all for it. There is much we still need from the west, technology and knowhow foremost. We have to balance how much we wish to antagonize them against that need.

This is deeply OT however. We can take it to some other thread if you wish.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 23 Oct 2010 12:35

‘David Headley’s cover was blown by chance’

Deeptiman Tiwary

Posted On Saturday, October 23, 2010 at 02:07:55 AM

David Headley’s cover as a double agent who worked with the US and Lashkar-e-Toiba would never have been blown were it not for mere chance, sources in the security establishment said.

The sources said it was only because an agent from the US’s Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) was transferred in 2006-07 to the country’s Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), with which Headley was a protected agent, and later repatriated to the FBI that he was able to collate the data on him.

An officer said, “As part of DEA, the FBI officer got access to Headley’s mails and calls. At the time Headley was DEA’s protected agent. The agency had given him the new identity of David Coleman Headley and even got a passport issued to enable him to travel between India, Pakistan and the US. But the DEA had no idea about his terror-links. The agent, because of his FBI background, got suspicious when he analysed the data on Headley.”

Even then, there was nothing to substantiate the suspicion until after he got repatriated to the FBI. Here, he tallied the information collected from DEA with other inputs.

“He then put Headley under surveillance. His calls and emails were scrutinised regularly. In one of these calls, the FBI learnt that LeT was planning a sea-borne attack on Mumbai. This was relayed immediately to Indian agencies in August-September,” said the officer.

Headley’s wives had already indicated his terror-links. While his American wife had tipped off agencies in 2005, his Moroccan wife met US embassy officials in Islamabad twice in 2007.

“On both occasions, US agencies failed to get further credible intelligence on Headley’s activities. US agencies are loaded with information on terror outfits across the world due to their technological advancement.

“However, in this barrage of information, many inputs get ignored or officials fail to gauge their importance,” said an officer who has been privy to investigations connected with Headley.

So in other words USA knew about him and his link to terror attack on mumbai and still he was allowed free roaming to both India and pakistan even after mumbai attack.Clearly an attempt is being made to sweep things under the carper by blaming poor inter-agency and intra-agency communication.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Oct 2010 18:42

Slowly, the American efforts to obfuscate the Headley issue are getting exposed. Truth has a nasty habit of surfacing, especially at an inconvenient time. We now know that Headley was a triple agent (not a double agent as he is frequently referred to, he being part of DEA, CIA, and the ISI) apart from also being a double-agent terrorist (being associated with LeT and Brigade 313 or HuJI). He was considered so 'prized' by the US agencies that they treated all his criminal activities dismissively or leniently. I doubt that after all his misdemeanors, they did not keep even a cursory eye on him. Having known that he was working closely with the LeT and that he was making frequent trips to India, they should have warned him not to be involved in terror against India, but they failed to do so.

The question is why did the US intel agency facilitate his name change to expressly enable him to get a passport that would not raise suspicions in an Indian embassy/consul or even in India. If, as the US refers to LeT as a Kashmir-centric terrorist organization, then obviously it was not necessary to fritter away a valuable Pakistani-cum-American resource penetrating such an organization. Also, US had not passed on any information to India regarding the LeT using Headley.

Indeed, they have gone to extraordinary lengths to protect PA and the LeT. For example, they mentioned 'Person A' or 'Person B' while referring to PA officers regarding 26/11 in their chargesheet while in the same chargesheet, they identified Maj. Abdur Rehman readily by his name and rank when referring to his involvement in the Jyllands-Posten project.

Thomas Kolarek · Post by **Thomas Kolarek** » 23 Oct 2010 19:17

- India should close Wagah Border permanently. What is the use of it when you see ISI Spies using it to visit India regularly ?
- Scrutinize USC applying for India Visa, they do the same, then why can't we ? Do a background check with same agencies Ameriks rely on. Charge the extra fees along with visa appln.
- Stop following outdated gospel and hit enemy in the same coin.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 24 Oct 2010 10:31

Don aide paid his way to be terror agent

C Unnikrishnan, TNN, Oct 24, 2010, 02.22am IST

MUMBAI: From a local diesel smuggler who mainly operated on the high seas in the 1980s, Mohammed Ali Shaikh has grown exponentially, expanded his network across the oceans and became a trusted person for anti-nationals to plan their operations in Mumbai, which is always on the radar of the terrorists.

Though the city crime branch last month woke up from its slumber and booked Ali for his links with fugitive gangster Chhota Shakeel, his close connections with some of the dreaded criminals and anti-nationals have been ignored by various establishments for years together.

The classic example was that in late 2006 when he flew from Karachi to Saudi Arabia along with gangster Dawood Ibrahim and his aide Chhota Shakeel, and the agencies could do nothing. That too when there was no dearth of information for them to act on. Sources recall that the Intelligence Bureau in Mumbai was tipped off with details like flight number and the timing of the take off. The IB shared it with its headquarters who too was working on some information. The IB , sources said, put together all the details and passed it on to the Indian Embassy in Saudi Arabia who in turn passed on the information to the authorities there. The flight had not landed then but the Indian authorities were strictly told to lay off.

What is intriguing, more than the refusal of Saudi authorities to cooperate, is the reluctance of Indian authorities to book Dawood's accomplice. Ali returned to Mumbai and continued with his operations without any hindrance, which suggests that several of those who should have acted against him had been 'taken care off'. Sources confirm that the local police who should have initiated action against him were rewarded handsomely. The customs department and the coast guard which keep a close watch on the activities at sea were also paid off, sources in the security establishment said.

The result: Ali emerged as a key man for any anti-national activities undertaken by the sea as he had a complete control over the docks. He ordered the killing of his associate Chand Madar last month when he realised that he was becoming too big for his shoes.

It is the fact of Ali's control over the sea that led David Headley to approach Chand, during one of his visits to the city, to carry out a recee of the sea in prepartion for 26/11. Ali and Chand were together then. Ali was also the pointsman whom two relatives of the 1992 Bali bombing tried to to rent out a flat in south Mumbai to plan an attack on the US Consulate by sea. An official from the security establishment said that he had been on their radar for years, but the authorities who could have booked him under various laws of the country turned a blind eye. "The result is there for everyone to see. Why blame us?" he asked. "Ali was behind the killing of additional commissioner of customs L D Aurora after the March 1993 Mumbai bomb blasts. Aurora had identified Tiger Memon, one of the key consprirators of the basts. Memon gave the supari to Ali who passed it on to gangster Babloo Srivastava. This is a fact known to investigating agencies in the country. What have they done?" the official asked.

Even some of the political leaders were close to him. Ali contested the last LS elections on a BSP ticket. He has been since embraced by Congress. A customs official recalled that in the late 80s Ali and his aides at gun point ordered the release of gold consignment seized by the Directorate of Revenue Intelligence officials at JNPT.

There were some whispers about a local support and still not clear reason as to why kasab and his partner got hold up on terrace of kama hospital for least 30 min. Nothing came out at the trial as far as i know but would be good if underworld link is exposed and political parties that cover and take support from anti-national elements are exposed! Few reports in last month by same TNN reporter does provide enough reason for authorities to investigate deeper.

Finally, local don's Headley link found

10 Oct, 2010, 03.03AM IST, C Unnikrishnan,TNN
MUMBAI: The Mumbai underworld's involvement in the 26/11 plot was always suspected but never proved. With no leads, this line of line of inquiry was going cold. But a startling finding in the course of an unrelated investigation could prove to be that piece of elusive evidence.

It appears that Chand Madar, the alleged diesel smuggler who was shot dead close to the land mark CST station last month, may have helped Pakistan-born jihadi David Coleman Headley to carry out a recee of the Mumbai coastline to identify the point at which to disembark.

Chand, it's now believed, was more than mere diesel smuggler. He was also a close associate and business partner of Mohammed Ali Shaikh , allegedly an ally of fugitive don Dawood Ibrahim . But their relationship is said to have soured over profit-sharing and Chand was murdered. Sources said Chand's Headley connection cropped up during 24x7 surveillance of diesel gangs operating on the high seas.

The diesel smugglers operated off the Mumbai coast. Mohammed Ali Shaikh, who was arrested in connection with Chand's killing, has now been detained by Mumbai Police under MCOCA, and for the first time, the police has publicly acknowledged his links with the underworld. These agencies were not so much concerned about diesel smuggling as they were with the possibility of arms and ammunitions being smuggled in along with the other contraband.

The surveillance officers handling the listening devices were taken aback when they heard Chand telling some of his associates about having taken Headley on his boat. What struck them was that the slain diesel smuggler was not boasting, but expressing his fear of being being picked up for detailed questioning by various agencies on how Headley had reached him.

This happened in November last, soon after media carried reports on the friendship that Headley had struck with film maker Mahesh Bhatt's son, Rahul, at a gym. Chand was scared that the police would soon be coming after him for his Headley connection. Significantly, officials in the crime branch said that they were still not aware of Chand's link with Headley. ''As far as I know, Headley hired a boat and carried out a reccee off Mumbai coast,'' an officer said. Sources who spoke about the Chand-Headley link refused to disclose whether any follow-up action has been initiated to unearth the Chand-Headley link. Sources said that they believed that Chand is likely to have been instructed by Ali, with whom Chand was working at that point of time, to help out Headley. In the course of his interrogation, Headley has admitted to have carried out a recee of Mumbai coast during his visits to the city between 2006 and 2008.

Ali is known to agencies. His dubious links with terrorists and anti-nationals came to light in mid-2007 when he was approached by two persons from Indonesia who were exploring the possibility of attacking Mumbai from the sea and were scouting for an apartment in Colaba. One of the Indonesians was related to an accused in the Al Qaida bombing of a Bali night club in 2002.

Ali then approached an informant, Salim, asking him to rent a flat in his wife's name. However, Salim, a familiar face for the central agencies, lost his nerve and squealed to the Intelligence Bureau . Salim told IB that he has learnt that the duo were planning to attack the US consulate at Breach Candy by sea. The foreigners were deported and months later, on Sept 17, 2007, Salim died in an accident that's currently being investigated by the crime branch. What happened to IB investigations against Ali is shrouded in mystery as he appears to have continued with his activities, and even contested the last LS election.

The IB informer Salim's death is now being investigated as murder!
Police suspect Mohd Ali’s hand in two more killings

Posted On Friday, October 15, 2010 at 02:59:47 AM
However, they are treading cautiously as the Chand Madar murder accused has a history of getting off the hook in similar cases

The problems for Congressman and alleged fuel mafia king Mohammed Ali Abu Shaikh, who was booked in the Chand Madar murder case last month, have just compounded. The Mumbai Crime Branch has detained one of his key aides who, they believe, was behind the death of two Customs’ informers. They are now probing Ali’s involvement in these deaths as well.

Salim Mama, a Customs department informer, was knocked down by a speeding dumper in 2007. The police suspect that it was not an accident and that Salim was murdered. Another informer, Narsingh, alias Narshya Mama, was stabbed to death near Padgha in 2006.

Crime Branch sources said that an Ali aide, Ramakant Ramanuj Tiwari, alias Munna Tiwari, is linked to both incidents. The dumper that knocked down Salim Mama was owned by Tiwari, while the vehicle in which Narshya Mama’s assailants travelled from Mumbai to Padgha also belonged to the aide.

Sources said that the involvement of Ali’s aide in both deaths can’t be a mere coincidence. “We are still a long way from gathering enough evidence to prove culpability of Munna Tiwari, and then Mohammed Alim in the two incidents, but our investigations are headed in that direction,” a Crime Branch officer said.

Joint Police Commissioner (Crime) Himanshu Roy said the police may reopen the Salim accident case as a murder case if they find sufficient evidence. “Tiwari had purchased the dumper a month before the accident and sold it within a month after it. The driver of the dumper, who is key to the probe, is missing,” Roy said. “We have detained Munna Tiwari and he is being interrogated,” he said.

Crime Branch sources said that they are treading very cautiously as Mohammed Ali has a history of getting off the hook in murder cases. “He (Mohammed Ali) operates very smoothly. He has been arrested in four murder cases and one attempt to murder case in the past 15 years. He was acquitted in all of them as the police failed to prove his involvement,” sources said.

Who is Mohammed Ali

An aspiring politician, Mohammed Ali owns a fleet of over 250 transport trailers, and several cold storage houses near Nhava Sheva, and is suspected to be a diesel mafia boss. He is currently under arrest for the murder of Chand Madar, a fuel smuggler who was shot dead four weeks ago. Police suspect that Ali hired shooters to kill Madar because he thought the private shipping firm owner was becoming a formidable competitor.

Shakeel phone call helped cops crack Chand murder case

Abhijit Sathe
Posted On Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 02:10:53 AM

Probing the assassination of private shipping firm owner Chand Madar, the Mumbai Crime Branch officials got their first breakthrough when underworld don Chhota Shakeel called Mohammed Ali a day after the incident.

According to the sources, it was the underworld don's call to Ali expressing unhappiness over the murder of Madar, who was widely considered as the Congressman's key competitor in the fuel smuggling business, that helped the crime branch to nail Mohammed Ali as a murder accused.
After Madar was shot dead on September 15, the crime branch put Mohammed Ali under surveillance as it suspected that Madar's murder was linked to the diesel smuggling business. They unexpectedly hit a jackpot when Chhota Shakeel called Ali a day after the incident and allegedly told that Madar's murder was ill-timed.

"Shakeel felt Ali had erred on two counts. One, it was foolish to gun down Madar as shootouts invite more police attention; secondly, the timing was wrong as the police presence on Mumbai roads is maximum during Ganesh festival," sources said.

After intercepting the call, the crime branch sprung into action. It first identified the shooters, and after their arrest, booked Mohammed Ali.

The electronic evidence, sources said, was crucial in linking Ali with the murder and highlighting the involvement of the underworld. This helped police invoke MCOCA in the case. According to sources, Ali was allegedly in touch with Shakeel and had kept him posted about the threat posed by Chand Madar and his increasing proximity with Chhota Rajan's henchman D K Rao. Ali apparently told Shakeel that he suspected that the Rajan gang was pumping money into fuel smuggling business through Madar. Ali also believed that if not eliminated, Madar could emerge as a tough competitor.

Sources in Mumbai crime branch said they booked Ali for Madar's murder only after gathering sufficient technical and material evidence. Police said they have recorded confessions of two persons and magisterial statements of two others. All the four have been closely associated with Mohammed Ali and had knowledge of the murder.

Some of the news above were posted on thread before as well but linking here again to make clear the interconnections and more then likely that killing of salim etc were to try and cover up links and role of underworld (ISI in mufti) in terror attack on mumbai.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 24 Oct 2010 11:10

^So congress party leader was directly involved in 26/11 terror attacks

That explains special treatment been given to terrorist kasab while the terror victims are being ignored

Time to ban congress party under MCOCA, afterall congress party is a gang of criminals

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 24 Oct 2010 13:11

Didn't India allow US access to Kasab right away? What was the wisdom in that? Even after 26/11, FBI had not mentioned anything about Headley to India and that guy kept making visits to India.

The Headley episode shows that India has grounds for legitimate doubts about US cooperation when it comes to terror against India.

Didn't US recently order drone strikes to disrupt a similar terror plan targetted at Europe. Would they have done it if the attacks were meant for India.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2010 14:14

csharma wrote:Didn't India allow US access to Kasab right away? What was the wisdom in that?

It was beneficial to us.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Oct 2010 22:52

SSridhar wrote:
csharma wrote:Didn't India allow US access to Kasab right away? What was the wisdom in that?
It was beneficial to us.

They must have "chemically" sucked everything out of kasab.

Having DCH at the other end would have been the icing on the cake because they could have confirmed
many things that both these guys said.

I really wonder how much the Indians got out of it all because the amrekis would have had to hide a whole lot, which is why the access to DCH was so much delayed while he was being coached.

Quite deceitful, as only the amrekis can be.

Maybe one day wiki would leak this too.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 24 Oct 2010 23:09

Patni wrote:Don aide paid his way to be terror agent

C Unnikrishnan, TNN, Oct 24, 2010, 02.22am IST

MUMBAI: From a local diesel smuggler who mainly operated on the high seas in the 1980s, Mohammed Ali Shaikh has grown exponentially, expanded his network across the oceans and became a trusted person for anti-nationals to plan their operations in Mumbai, which is always on the radar of the terrorists.

Excellent work, Patni. Thanks.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Oct 2010 01:53

Can someone map all the names thrown up in the Headley case> Also use different color scheme. Its amazing.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 25 Oct 2010 08:06

SSridhar wrote:
csharma wrote:Didn't India allow US access to Kasab right away? What was the wisdom in that?
It was beneficial to us.

Please elaborate more on your one-liner.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Oct 2010 09:14

Merlin, whether we like it or not, we needed the US to confirm that it was indeed Pakistan (specifically, LeT aided by the PA) that executed the 26/11. Besides, we needed their technical assistance and confirmation on the VoIP issue. FBI interrogators were later presented to the Mumbai court as defence witnesses, if you recall. Our dhimmi policy vis-a-vis Pakistan for the last six decades, required the US to exert whatever pressure on Pakistan and we could not have achieved that without letting the FBI interrogate Kasab. Remember six Americans had also perished in 26/11. The inability of Pakistan to rubbish the Indian investigation and court proceedings stem partly from the FBI interrogation too. Not that it matters, but it helps. Besides, India is obliged under the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty, signed between the US and India as early as c. 2001, to provide such access.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 25 Oct 2010 09:32

We need to get DCh extrideted to India so that he can be debriefed by us at our leasure. As we don't know how many such "revalations" will be made by him.
Lashkar behind Sikh massacre in Kashmir in 2000, says Headley

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 25 Oct 2010 18:01

Eat that Pankaj Mishra. Now what? A revision or apology for that scurrilous article blaming Indian forces for the Chittisinghpora Massacre? I suspect not. Better not to let sleeping lies dog your journalistic career eh?

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 25 Oct 2010 18:25

JeM,

Headley's revelations on Chittisinghpora are no revelation. NYT's Barry Bearak did an investigative piece on that and traced the killings to LeT.

See this

Of course, thanks to his exposure to TSPian perfidies, Bearak later wrote the famous piece for NYT magazine titled "Pakistan is"

Pakistan is a great hub of duplicity, and the maulana was just one of the many chameleon characters who seemed able to operate at both its center and fringe, something like the nation itself, which is one of America's essential allies in the war against terrorism and also one of terrorism's essential incubators in its war against the West. Each time I visit the country, I hope for some blossom of understanding but return with the wilt of confusion. This is a nation of confounding murkiness, where every kind of deception, collusion and outright sham are recurring motifs in the political theater. Rumors and conspiracy theories are as commonly exchanged as rupee notes, the information -- some of it even true -- then twisted, inflated and endlessly rearranged. Much of the trickery is institutionalized. The I.S.I. -- the shorthand name for the military intelligence agencies -- is widely presumed to be an expert puppet master, the great Oz of a manipulated society.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 25 Oct 2010 18:26

Jem Ji, it's not only Pankaj Misra, but Bill Clinton too was convinced it was Hindu's or the Indian Intelligence that planned and conducted the massacres. HE mentioned that in a book, but for some reason it was edited out by the publishers.

Brihaspati ji is absolutely right that in confronting KV separatism, India will have to play up the Buddhist and Hindu legacy big time. Islam is a settler religion in the region. The regions original inhabitants are Buddhist and Hindu. The KV is just 30 kms by 70 kms long, where the heartland of separatism is.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Oct 2010 19:24

Rangudu wrote:Of course, thanks to his exposure to TSPian perfidies, Bearak later wrote the famous piece for NYT magazine titled "Pakistan is"

Rangudu, thanks for pointer to that fine piece of writing by Barry Bearak. I have now included that in the 'Essential Reading' list of TSP thread under the 'Understanding Pakistan' section.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 25 Oct 2010 19:29

SSridhar,

Typically, Western reporters who spend a significant amount of time in TSP tend to become one of two types. The first type is the likes of Bearak, Emma Duncan, Christina Lamb etc. who are disgusted by what they see. The second type is those like Clueless Cloughley and co, who are coopted by the TSPians and get used to being paid for by them.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 25 Oct 2010 19:33

i suspect that clougley and co are in a sense "double agents", they toe the official pak line and so cosy up to the jarnails, then whatever gup-shup they get is passed on to their real handlers in the western intelligence services. a few lifafa articles to trash talk the cunning yindoos doesn't go of anyone's father, and some baksheesh is made in the process

possibly marogoli is the biggest intel asset here, not only does he get lifafa, he also gets to play 'hide the sheek kebab' with his pashtun tight buddies and still gets to write drivel that would ordinarily be thrown into the garbage

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Oct 2010 20:03

Yes it was Clinton sahib who wrote scurrilous things in his foreward to a book. And he gets rave ghee huzor type accolades from desis.
Lalmohan that is Singhesque post. Good going about maro goli.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 26 Oct 2010 07:39

Guj refinery was LeT target: Headley

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Guj-refin ... 17814.aspx

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Oct 2010 07:46

Ambani's?

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 26 Oct 2010 07:47

Guj refinery was LeT target: Headley

Shailendra Mohan, Hindustan Times
US national David Coleman Headley (49), the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba (LeT) operative currently in custody of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), told a National Investigation Agency (NIA) team that after the 26/11 attacks, LeT’s next target was an oil refinery in Gujarat. Quoting Headley, a NIA report states that the oil refinery was “probably” that of the Reliance Industries Limited.

Reliance Industries Limited has two oil refineries on the outskirts of Jamnagar, a town in west Gujarat.

Headley, during questioning at Chicago, told the NIA the plan to carry out the attack in Gujarat was being finalised even as LeT’s chief, Hafiz Saeed, was arrested in Pakistan in connection with the 26/11 attacks.

According to NIA’s report, Headley said that a senior LeT operative had informed him that they had got clearance to attack India again. “I believe that Sajid’s reference to ‘near Rahul’s city meant a city in Gujarat,” Headley told the NIA team. Later in February 2009, the operative had showed Headley a Google map of an oil refinery in Gujarat.

Headely also told the NIA team that the LeT wanted him to visit Gujarat again and survey the place before the attack.

In November 2009, HT had reported that Headley’s associate Tahawwur Rana (48) had visited Ahmedabad three months after 21 synchronised bomb explosions rocked the city on July 26, 2008.

Rana, who is also in FBI’s custody for planning terror attacks in India and Denmark, had traveled to Ahmedabad from Mumbai by a Go Air flight on November 18, 2008. Investigations revealed that a woman, Samraz Rana Akhtar had accompanied Rana during his three-day visit to Ahmedabad. They had stayed at Hotel Lemon Tree in Navrangpura area of the city and the room was booked in Samraz’s name. The hotel was situated right behind Gujarat police chief SS Khandvawala’s bungalow.

wig · Post by **wig** » 26 Oct 2010 08:49

meanwhile, an insight putting a human angle, to the ethnic cleansing of sikhs from kashmir. DCH spills some beans on the chattisinghpora massacre. reported on in the tribune published from chandigarh today

“Now, I can rest in peace. I finally know who killed our brethren,” says Karamjeet Singh, a survivor of March 2000 killings of 36 Sikhs in Chittisinghpura, reacting to a fresh disclosure by Pakistani-American Lashkar operative David Headley on who carried out the killings.

Headley has reportedly confessed to the National Investigation Agency that the LeT carried out the massacre of 36 sikhs in Chittisinghpura in Kashmir, a few days before the visit of the then US president Bill Clinton.

He identified Muzzamil, an LeT militant, as part of the group who carried out the killings apparently to create communal tension just before Clinton’s visit, news reports appearing today claimed.

Karamjeet Singh, a government schoolteacher, said he was relieved as the mystery was over. “We always believed it was a ploy to create tension, but the Sikhs and the Muslims have been living peacefully since ages in the Valley and the absence of any backlash proves our brotherhood”.

Talking to The Tribune, he said he would finally be able to tell his younger daughter, Raman, about who carried out the killings and why they fled Kashmir after the killings and lived in Jammu.

“Raman was just two years’ old then. I shifted to Jammu after the killings. There was too much of panic. She keeps asking me why were Sikhs killed. She has started asking more questions now when US President Barack Obama is visiting India, and there are similar fears of militant attacks,” he added.

Karamjeet recalls the horrifying late evening of March 20 when he was posted in the Valley and was returning home in Chittisinghpura after fetching milk.

“I was stopped by some persons who claimed they were soldiers. They said the village was being searched, as there was information about a terrorist attack. They made many men of the village sit on the ground,” he said.

He claimed he got an intuition of something terribly wrong with the situation and escaped. “Minutes later, they fired at the assembled Sikhs, killing 36 of them on the spot,” he added.

Nanak Singh, another survivor, who was injured with a gunshot piercing his left leg, while talking to The Tribune over the phone, said, the Indian government should investigate further and tell why innocent Sikhs were targeted?

“US President Barack Obama is coming now. One visit of a US President brought misery in the form of the killings. The Indian government should get hold of Headley for knowing about the crime or try to catch those militants who carried out the killings,” he added.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20101026/j&k.htm#2

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 26 Oct 2010 13:00

Yes, I remember the Bearak article (a definitive one on the Chittisinghpora killings) and Clinton's foreword comments IIRC... which we all found incredible at the time it came out.

Thanks for the Pakistan Is article though Rangudu - hadn't seen it before.

My point about Punkaj was something else... the guy was very quick to come out with his indictment of GoI. Do not expect though, a reversal or re-examination of his error anytime soon... I can understand Americans/Europeans making such assertions, but an Indian doing so requires a certain other kind of mentality ... and we all have a good sense of what it is.

ShivaS · Post by **ShivaS** » 26 Oct 2010 13:29

There is no way Headly & co could do what they did and continue to do with out Indian netas and celebrities being hand in glove. This is all about making money from Clinton, Butts (mahesh Butt and Jr). If plot in color these celebrities it will all in black and white to see.
Its more of Indian problem than Unkil or TS Pakis,.. chalta hai... (Pankaj misra, Arundhoti Jeelani all are raking in money,GOI babus take cuts in the kashmir problem, its in their best interests to keep stoking the flame, Abdullahs, Syeds, Mirwazi kazi tom dick harry inter coolers .. the list goes on ... the beat goes on lada dada ladad da di ....
the beat goes on...)

Its was Madame secretary less than Half brights book...

http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2006/0 ... g-mistake/

The credit for that goes to her former boss, Bill Clinton. In his introduction he writes:

During my visit to India in 2000, some Hindu militants decided to vent their outrage by murdering thirty-eight Sikhs in cold blood. If I hadnâ€™t made the trip, the victims would probably still be alive. If I hadnâ€™t made the trip because I feared what religious extremists might do, I couldnâ€™t have done my job as president of the United States. [Bill Clinton/via Amazon, emphasis added]

He’s referring to the Chittisinghpora massacre which was carried out by Pakistani jihadis, none of whom it may be recalled, were Hindus. The most charitable interpretation of Clinton’s mistake is that he was careless and the editors at HarperCollins were either ignorant or couldn’t care less. But this book comes from people who once offered to help resolve the Kashmir dispute. That makes their carelessness deeply disturbing. Conspiracy theorists have shown persistant eagerness to lay the blame for the massacre at India’s door. Clinton’s mistake should come as a godsend for them.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Oct 2010 17:34

India disappointed with US over info on Headley

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/india-disapp ... 855-3.html

CNN-IBN: There is a view in some quarters that while India has been forthcoming in sharing information with the United States, the US has not been sharing at all especially in the case of Headley.

GK Pillai: I think partly true, but not fully. I think they have shared but I would appreciate if it had been much more than what they have been doing.

CNN-IBN: Even internally in the US there has been criticism when a report said that one of Headley's wives said that she had given some information to the US authorities but that wasn't really acted upon.

GK Pillai: Yes! We could say that we were disappointed that the name of David Headley was not provided, if not pre-26/11 at least post 26/11. So that when he came subsequently in March 2009 to India at least at that time we could have nabbed him here.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 27 Oct 2010 18:20

Is the DCH saga being reported in the US media? I am sure there would have been some US citizens in the casualty list in 26-11. Could they file a massive damages claim on GOTUS citing official criminal negligence in allowing DCH to travel once it was clear that DCH planned 26-11? That way the chances of this getting repeated in US would diminish and possibly the ISI planned perfidy splashed more openly in the US media?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Oct 2010 22:48

Hindu reports PTI

U.S. insists it gave specific info prior to 26/11

Interesting claims.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2010 02:44

I started mind mapping DCh and his connections. Its a wonder how he didn't come under radar in India. The guy already filled 16 blocks with connections all over the US and India. I didn't add the UK Derby connections yet.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2010 07:38

X-post...

putnanja wrote:Hint of hardball in Headley spar - Pillai says US sat tight on information

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Roemer’s remarks appeared to be in reply to the Indian assumption that Headley was a US double agent, which is why information about him was not shared earlier. Headley was arrested only after he went rogue, Indian intelligence agencies have deduced.

It appears certain that Headley will be discussed during Obama’s visit next month. Sources said the counter-terrorism discussion could centre on 26/11 and Headley.

Having learnt a lesson from the Headley experience and given that the US would eventually exit from Afghanistan, the home ministry is planning to de-link India’s intelligence gathering from dependence on US assets in West Asia and South Asia.

“We would like to depend on our own network which we would expand and strengthen,” said a source. External intelligence agency RAW’s mandate would then be expanded.
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Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Oct 2010 08:28

^^^^
Mr.Pillai did it again. He makes some statement before an important visit. He was quite though after his heroism during SK's visit to Pak.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 28 Oct 2010 08:37

Pillai for HM....He knows lot more then he is letting out in media

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 28 Oct 2010 09:14

putnanja wrote:Hint of hardball in Headley spar - Pillai says US sat tight on information

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Having learnt a lesson from the Headley experience and given that the US would eventually exit from Afghanistan, the home ministry is planning to de-link India’s intelligence gathering from dependence on US assets in West Asia and South Asia.

“We would like to depend on our own network which we would expand and strengthen,” said a source. External intelligence agency RAW’s mandate would then be expanded.
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Interesting! It could mean Indian intelligence is made sub-ordinate to US in Afghan, probably after Pak cried India's 10001 consulate in Afghan working against Pak? The statement expanding the mandate of RAW is very explicit.