J & K news and discussion

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 27 Oct 2010 21:21

What GoI should do whenever any delegation is sent to J&K, It should meet people from Jammu and Ladakh also. Heavy media presence should be ensured there. Media should also be encouraged to meet and interview people in those two areas. Let us also show pro-India views in J&K to the world and our janta also.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Oct 2010 21:38

VikramS wrote:amit:

It is not about giving publicity to ARoy; it is about sending a message that if you continue to abuse those who give their lives to save your backside, the state will no longer guarantee your safety. Messages can be sent in different ways, some subtle some not so subtle. Let us not go any deeper into this.

I completely agree, and how I wish India would have dealt with A'Roy the way USA, China, or TSP would have dealt with such brazen traitors. Having said that, India is too weak and too divided at the moment. Does anyone, at least here on BR believe for a second that she does not have the endorsement and ear of the highest levels of power holders in Delhi? We just read a report this morning that one of the official interlocuters is proposing an amendment to Indian constitution to give up Kashmir. If thats the official thinking, then why would officialdom be against what A'Roy said, she pretty much said the same thing in a more harsher, more biting, more humiliating tone.

With A'Roy having pulled off the caste angle, we are treading on dangerous territory. If India makes her a larger icon by any form of incarceration, official or unofficial, you can be rest assured that she will cut through India's caste, class, and other social fissures like a knife through butter, with Brahmins and other "upper castes" taking the most brutal cut inflicted through her pen, and being such a darling of the whites (as long she sticks to India bashing that is), the western media will have a field day, and the entire focus of Obama's visit will center on that. Like I said, any other powerful or self-respecting country would have warded her off with a fly swatter, but this b$%&ch is an albatross around India's neck, and could cause a lot of damage to India's fragile social balance with her pen.

My recommendation is to play Chankyan. Let her vent her fury. India's legitimacy to Kashmir hhas taken such a beating in the international eye that it can't be any worse. At the end of the day, India holds all the cards, and the world including USA, TSP, KMs, and Nazi "liberals" like A'Roy, would like to weaken that hold, but Indian nationalist stance wins the day by basically doing nothing. Should say BJP or anyone up the ante against A'Roy, and violence erupts, you can be rest assured, none other than MMS can then boldly enetr the arena as a "statesman" and go down a US-dictated slippery path. Do we want that?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Oct 2010 21:59

India can't do like what others do due to their homogenity. Such being the case Roy has to be given enough rope to hang herself. Her deeds have to become so odious that all will agree when she is thrown in slammer. Right now she will get support from all the fake seculars and DIE hard activists. Not to mention international busybodies.
Having said that UPA is the right group to throw her in jail.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 27 Oct 2010 22:01

^^^ Any perspective on the noises made by interlocutoers

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 27 Oct 2010 22:07

They are softening us for redrawing borders.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 27 Oct 2010 22:09

If SAR is the darling of the western media due to her India-bashing antics, why can't our media tear her apart on screen and in print? Isn't that our bigger problem? Commie anti-national publicity whores like SAR will always be around. She is not the first and she won't be the last. The best weapon against such samples is public ridicule. But we need the Indian MSM to be at the forefront of doing that, which is not happening. Arresting her will give her exactly what she wants. More publicity and opportunity to decry the Indian "Police State".

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 27 Oct 2010 22:13

That slippery path will be taken anyway. The Constitutional amendment is a hint of thinking towards setting up joint structures along NI lines. The relevant articles have no provision for that as of now and it affects the sovereignty clauses. Jammu and Ladakh should ask for separate statehood and autonomy separate from KV.

It is important that political parties not in favour of KM's movement for autonomy give a clear warning to the existing regime that :

anyone proposing amendment to the Constitution that unravels sovereignty over any portion of India and shares it or gives it up to foreign forces will be treated in the future as both committing treason as well as sedition and will be tried as so. Any regime or gov participating in such a move will be treated as such and the entire cabinet and head of state will be similarly held responsible. The laws would be amended to treat such cases retroactively with provisions for seizure of all property transferred by the individuals concerned if they are dead by the time of enactment of the law and their citizenship revoked.

Any political party that electorally and legislatively supports the same move will be similarly held responsible, and all their functionaries will be similarly tried under modified treason and sedition laws.

If no political parties gives such warnings - then the people should recognize that none of the existing political parties are free of the guilt of sharing in sedition and treason.

munna · Post by **munna** » 27 Oct 2010 22:17

Jarita wrote:^^^ Any perspective on the noises made by interlocutoers

Just an attempt to muddy the waters enough to discourage people from getting a peek at the real terrain. These so called interlocutors are technically not representing the GOI but merely the Home Ministry and thus are appointed and mandated by the HM. Hence their voice and legal status is featherweight in comparison to the pointsmen appointed prior to them. Also the people appointed on the panel are the ones that get dismissed lightly by all power holders and policy makers alike. The panel is making statements on issues upon which it lacks jurisdiction and power to comment on.

This clearly points to the following possibilities
a) Faction fight between various factions produced a confused and deformed baby that looks like a WKK+GOI but has powers of a SuAR
b) This is a chanakyan/Sun Tzhu master ploy by our GOI to befuddle the supreme mess-iah and his merry men
c) Sell out sell out sell out

.
Take your pick depending upon which side of the spectrum you stand.

An interesting trend is the subtle but definite increase in the profile of Kashmiri Pandit groups and their plight in the media. Coupled that with raised pitch and visibility of Ladakh and Jammu the state trifurcation howsoever unpalatable and communal it may appear is not far off in medium term. The state as it exists today is simply unviable and unusable due to constraints imposed by ill-thought out articles in our constitution. Given Chinese machinations and Pakistani antics we may have to move in and mobilise sooner than later to consolidate our hold on the territory. Keeping my fingers crossed ....

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 27 Oct 2010 22:18

^^^ A legitimate government with Indian interest at heart would recall such an interlocuter immediately. Let us wait and watch.
You must also know that in the past A Roy has sung praises of Sonia Gandhi. A Roy is also very close to the NAC folks.
Such words from a government representative would be inconceivable under any government prior to UPA.
Indian citizens need to see the writing on the wall before more of the country is sold out.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 27 Oct 2010 22:19

munna wrote:
Jarita wrote:^^^ Any perspective on the noises made by interlocutoers
Just an attempt to muddy the waters enough to discourage people from getting a peek at the real terrain. These so called interlocutors are technically not representing the GOI but merely the Home Ministry and thus are appointed and mandated by the HM. Hence their voice and legal status is featherweight in comparison to the pointsmen appointed prior to them. Also the people appointed on the panel are the ones that get dismissed lightly by all power holders and policy makers alike. The panel is making statements on issues upon which it lacks jurisdiction and power to comment on.

This clearly points to the following possibilities
a) Faction fight between various factions produced a confused and deformed baby that looks like a WKK+GOI but has powers of a SuAR
b) This is a chanakyan/Sun Tzhu master ploy by our GOI to befuddle the supreme mess-iah and his merry men
c) Sell out sell out sell out .
Take your pick depending upon which side of the spectrum you stand.

An interesting trend is the subtle but definite increase in the profile of Kashmiri Pandit groups and their plight in the media. Coupled that with raised pitch and visibility of Ladakh and Jammu the state trifurcation howsoever unpalatable and communal it may appear is not far off in medium term. The state as it exists today is simply unviable and unusable due to constraints imposed by ill-thought out articles in our constitution. Given Chinese machinations and Pakistani antics we may have to move in and mobilise sooner than later to consolidate our hold on the territory. Keeping my fingers crossed ....

But seemingly it was MMS who briefed these interlocuters

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 27 Oct 2010 22:19

brihaspati wrote: It is important that political parties not in favour of KM's movement for autonomy give a clear warning to the existing regime that :

anyone proposing amendment to the Constitution that unravels sovereignty over any portion of India and shares it or gives it up to foreign forces will be treated in the future as both committing treason as well as sedition and will be tried as so. Any regime or gov participating in such a move will be treated as such and the entire cabinet and head of state will be similarly held responsible. ....

Excellent suggestion Bji! Some BJP MP needs to table a bill in parliament with these provisions. Any dangerous constitutional amendments in the future related to the Kashmir issue have to be pre-empted. Of course here I am hoping that at least some MPs from UPA have the guts to disobey orders from the top, for the good of the country. BJP + allies by themselves do not have the numbers to see it through.

munna · Post by **munna** » 27 Oct 2010 22:20

Jarita wrote:But seemingly it was MMS who briefed these interlocuters

You have your answer then

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 27 Oct 2010 22:23

nachiket wrote:
brihaspati wrote: It is important that political parties not in favour of KM's movement for autonomy give a clear warning to the existing regime that :

anyone proposing amendment to the Constitution that unravels sovereignty over any portion of India and shares it or gives it up to foreign forces will be treated in the future as both committing treason as well as sedition and will be tried as so. Any regime or gov participating in such a move will be treated as such and the entire cabinet and head of state will be similarly held responsible. ....
Excellent suggestion Bji! Some BJP MP needs to table a bill in parliament with these provisions. Any dangerous constitutional amendments in the future related to the Kashmir issue have to be pre-empted. Of course here I am hoping that at least some MPs from UPA have the guts to disobey orders from the top, for the good of the country. BJP + allies by themselves do not have the numbers to see it through.

Even a public declaration would do! That the concerned party intends to table such a motion in the futiure when it can be sure of the 2/3 majority required. This commits and clears the party's position and it least it can claim later political legitimacy for having declared so at a time when it could not pass it legislatively.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Oct 2010 22:25

Is Indian/our media Indian? Nachiket if you know the answer why ask?

Jarita, Also note the view of PoK is also to be ascertained since they are part of India.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Oct 2010 22:39

Reminiscent of the meeting held by Chacha, Sardar Patel , Military and few others at the time of Kabali invasion of J&K. Chacha kept quiet when Sardar asked him "Jawahar, do you want to loose Kashmir or save Kashmir". Apparently, Chacha's bolti band was take as yes and Sardar gave the order to IA .
Fastforward 63 years and game is still between Sardar's sons and Chacha's Chooche.

negi · Post by **negi** » 27 Oct 2010 22:52

Singha wrote:there is heavy small arms fire ongoing in poonch and uri sectors after pakis violated ceasefire and started escalating.

This has been happening for years now never have I heard of IA returning the favor with compound interest, hell when provoked what stops us saturating the goddamn place with Pinakas and Semrch-Ms ?

munna · Post by **munna** » 27 Oct 2010 23:00

In a back handed way Mr Dileep has opened a funny window nay door. How? Well one thing that is obvious is that a major hurdle in resolving the Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir's status is the article 370. As per the evil revanchist party this needs to go in order to pave way for closer integration of the state to India whereas the progressive and clean parties from other side claim the act to be ultimate symbol of India's all -isms that constitute the republic. In one sentence, for a large section of India's political establishment all Acts pertaining to the J&K state are to be frozen in perpetuity and the only movement possible could be to further strengthen 370 and weaken relationship between centre and the state.

Dileep's utterances regarding the malleability of constitution opens up the door for all parties and not the azadi-walas only as some may mistake it for (him included if indeed its an out and out WKK style pitch). For example will they be able to stop Panun Kashmir UT from forming and yet carry through an ammendment that will require 67% of the MPs present and voting to support an ammendment? Therefore the idea that WKKs and other assorted chatteratti are uttering can backfre on their musharraffs in a big way. Let us see...

AKalam · Post by **AKalam** » 27 Oct 2010 23:21

Short sighted leadership is a curse for any population. Indian Muslims and the subcontinent lost when Partition took place, Pakjab led Pakistan becoming the pawn of PRC is self defeating and J&K becoming the pawn of looser Pakjab, and in turn a pawn for PRC is another sad chapter for KM's.

SAR is probably an attention grabber and lime light seeker like Taslima and Hirsi Ali, sorry to say it, but more articulate and savvy.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 27 Oct 2010 23:30

Amidst all the chaos that has spread because of the statements of interlocutors and ARoy there are few things whose answer every Indian must know
a) Why ARoy met the Hurriyat faction?
b) Was this meeting unheard of and its pros/cons unthinkable by those in the GoI ,to let it happen ?
c) Why these self praising anti nationals thrive everyday?
d) Is ARoy working on TSP's payroll ? If Yes then why and how these type of self-proclaimed ISI agents exists in India and they seem to be untouchable by the system supposed to prevent .?
I think the answer to all these questions come from yet another question, What kind of Attitude always lets this happen ?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Oct 2010 01:27

Constitutional amendment - It is only possilbe to increase salaries of MPs or President etc. Other than that for anything else there are no numbers. Far worse there are numbers to pass bills like "let us have bisleri soda in central hall". The whole team and meetings are all just chai biskoot.

munna · Post by **munna** » 28 Oct 2010 02:18

Muppalla wrote:Constitutional amendment - It is only possilbe to increase salaries of MPs or President etc. Other than that for anything else there are no numbers. Far worse there are numbers to pass bills like "let us have bisleri soda in central hall". The whole team and meetings are all just chai biskoot.

That is why I am enjoying the show. The Azadi Wallahs and their comrades in Delhi are all pappi-jhappi at the sight of interlocutors while the revanchist forces are dismayed by the sudden 'reversal' suffered by rashtra. The fact is nobody not even the PM-ji knows where all this is headed apart from the fact that it may not have a head at all

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There are no numbers or consensus to do yanny-thing about Kashmir I say!!!

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 28 Oct 2010 02:46

AKalam wrote:Short sighted leadership is a curse for any population. Indian Muslims and the subcontinent lost when Partition took place, Pakjab led Pakistan becoming the pawn of PRC is self defeating and J&K becoming the pawn of looser Pakjab, and in turn a pawn for PRC is another sad chapter for KM's.

SAR is probably an attention grabber and lime light seeker like Taslima and Hirsi Ali, sorry to say it, but more articulate and savvy.

I am sorry but I fail to see the == between SuAR and Taslima. Taslima wrote a book detailing the atrocities on Hindus in Bangladesh. IIRC she hasn't asked for the Hindus in Bangladesh to be given a separate nation to escape persecution by imperialist wahabis who took over from the British colonials.
SuAR on the other hand is a certified traitor who concoctes stories about the atrocities committed by the Brahmin police in Gujarat and by the Dalit army( led by Brahmins of course) to please her pay masters.
SuAR needs to be ignored. A large chunk of India doesn't know/care who she is or what she says, she will sink into oblivion in due course of time. After another 5 years of 10% GDP growth and hopefully sizeable population lifted out of poverty, we might see SuAR on Bigg Boss 9 rubbing shoulders with other Pawki criminals like Mohammed Asif and Yasin Malik.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 28 Oct 2010 06:15

The JK mess is because we citizens of India dont have procedure to expel/replace PM.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Oct 2010 07:46

SuARs visibility is limited to the english news channels (minuscule viewership) and a couple of rags like outlook and yindu. outlook had a special issue all of SuARs writings last year on naxalism.

for 99% of indians, they have never heard of her and will never hear of her.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Oct 2010 08:03

Arundhathi Roy gets support from unexpected quarters in TN

Viduthalai Chiruththaigal Katchi (VCK) {Freedom Panthers Party, in English} leader Thol. Thirumavalavan has strongly condemned what he termed the Central government's attempts to stifle the voice of writer and activist Arundhati Roy for her stand on Kashmir.

Folks, let us not be short-sighted here. Tamilnadu is a tinderbox and such concessions shown to Arundhathi Roy will ignite passions here. It was Nehru's strong action that quelled a similar demand in TN 55 years back. The demand for separation has been in embers since then. I do not want to go on about this here, but let us not try to be tactically brilliant.

The J&K issue is not going to be solved through dialogue or by winning the hearts & minds of the seccessionists. It is well past that stage for us to tolerate such outbursts of 'azaadi' in the larger interests of J&K. The attempt that people like Arundhati Roy are making, and cleverly too, is to unravel the entire India, not just J&K. The involvement of traitors from AP, TN and Naxal-infected areas shows the larger plan. The demand 'not to stifle voices in the name of freedom of speech' is to enable such speeches to be made in other parts of the country. There is no 'absolute freedom of speech' anywhere, nor can it be tolerated.

Whether GoI arrests her or not, she is seeking publicity and she will get it, thanks to large sections of the media and other interested international parties. If no action is taken, her voice will become shriller. Either way, we are not going to avoid the costs. It is better that GoI acts lawfully in this matter because it will have to explain its inaction now in other future situations. Besides, GoI cannot give an impression that it is helpless. Obamas, Camerons and Sarkozys will keep visiting us every now and then and that is not reason enough for inaction. Where is embarrassment in arresting somebody due to provisions of law ? If GoI determines that her speech was not seditious, then it is a different matter though.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Oct 2010 08:10

munna wrote:
Muppalla wrote:Constitutional amendment - It is only possilbe to increase salaries of MPs or President etc. Other than that for anything else there are no numbers. Far worse there are numbers to pass bills like "let us have bisleri soda in central hall". The whole team and meetings are all just chai biskoot.
That is why I am enjoying the show. The Azadi Wallahs and their comrades in Delhi are all pappi-jhappi at the sight of interlocutors while the revanchist forces are dismayed by the sudden 'reversal' suffered by rashtra. The fact is nobody not even the PM-ji knows where all this is headed apart from the fact that it may not have a head at all .

There are no numbers or consensus to do yanny-thing about Kashmir I say!!!

The entire JK handling seems to be the one created by the PM himself. He may be tough in certain stuff but there seems to be certain philosphy that he lives on. I beleive he thinks that valley folks needs more independence than what they already have. (Just my reading). There is no chanikanism or any tact/strategy for all the stuff related to JK or handling TSP for that matter. Other foreign affairs are all ok.

This is the serious problem regarding governance. They seems to have seen success in chaos thoery. INC as a default party which has ruled the country for most part is in a great advantage when the system is under chaos. It has all types of babus that can take care of the confusion and they excelled in terms of retaining power under chaos. Opposition (not just BJP) are all defensive and have no clue regarding how to get out of mess. See Modi inspite of his Gujarat victories has to be defensive and adress the CBI stuff going on as opposed to be able to ignore. KA - the mess goes on though BJP handled it well so far. In AP - TDP is just waiting for ever with an imagination that Telangana will have final solution. The Yadavs - no direction. Maya is only bloke who has some direction. All others are just nothing.

Let us see how long these pure chai biskoot sessions will go on and with zero results.

negi · Post by **negi** » 28 Oct 2010 08:17

From the same HINDU article on Thol. Thirumavalavan's support to ARoy.

“I was part of the all-party delegation which visited Kashmir under the leadership of the Home Minister. Many Kashmiris openly demanded ‘freedom from the Indian occupation' and declared it before our delegation,”

What can one say ?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Oct 2010 08:21

negi wrote:From the same HINDU article on Thol. Thirumavalavan's support to ARoy.

“I was part of the all-party delegation which visited Kashmir under the leadership of the Home Minister. Many Kashmiris openly demanded ‘freedom from the Indian occupation' and declared it before our delegation,”
What can one say ?

What are all the parties in this stupid all party delegation? Why is this party there and not parties like MNS, TRS etc. are not there? Are there any one from Babbar Khalsa, CPI(ML) , CPI (Lenin), Ghurka National Front? Now I am curious to know the full composition of this "all party"? Is there some link to know all?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Oct 2010 08:33

munna wrote: Dileep's utterances regarding the malleability of constitution opens up the door for all parties and not the azadi-walas only as some may mistake it for (him included if indeed its an out and out WKK style pitch). For example will they be able to stop Panun Kashmir UT from forming and yet carry through an ammendment that will require 67% of the MPs present and voting to support an ammendment? Therefore the idea that WKKs and other assorted chatteratti are uttering can backfre on their musharraffs in a big way. Let us see...

In a way it is an endorsement of the constitution. Do what you like in India, but it has to be constitutional.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 28 Oct 2010 09:06

It is clearly not an endorsement of what is in the Constitution.

AKalam · Post by **AKalam** » 28 Oct 2010 10:25

Mahendra wrote:
AKalam wrote:Short sighted leadership is a curse for any population. Indian Muslims and the subcontinent lost when Partition took place, Pakjab led Pakistan becoming the pawn of PRC is self defeating and J&K becoming the pawn of looser Pakjab, and in turn a pawn for PRC is another sad chapter for KM's.

SAR is probably an attention grabber and lime light seeker like Taslima and Hirsi Ali, sorry to say it, but more articulate and savvy.
I am sorry but I fail to see the == between SuAR and Taslima. Taslima wrote a book detailing the atrocities on Hindus in Bangladesh. IIRC she hasn't asked for the Hindus in Bangladesh to be given a separate nation to escape persecution by imperialist wahabis who took over from the British colonials.
SuAR on the other hand is a certified traitor who concoctes stories about the atrocities committed by the Brahmin police in Gujarat and by the Dalit army( led by Brahmins of course) to please her pay masters.
SuAR needs to be ignored. A large chunk of India doesn't know/care who she is or what she says, she will sink into oblivion in due course of time. After another 5 years of 10% GDP growth and hopefully sizeable population lifted out of poverty, we might see SuAR on Bigg Boss 9 rubbing shoulders with other Pawki criminals like Mohammed Asif and Yasin Malik.

Taslima's work that shed light on atrocities on Hindu's in Bangladesh was definitely commendable, I am in complete agreement on this issue, but if you dig a little deeper about her and look at her entire volume of work as well as the details of her personal life that became public (in her autobiography), then you may get a complete picture. She is a complex personality, a little naive, perhaps well intentioned, courageous I must say but bordering on foolhardy, and not quite discreet about her personal relationships - but underlining all her actions is a fundamental subconscious streak that is probably common with all famous authors of her kind - to highlight the ills and falsehoods of society at any cost. As they make a full display of the dirty laundry from the intimate knowledge of the society they grew up in, they become poster boys or girls, paraded and showered with honorifics by the usual suspects in the West, the Human Rights professionals, academics and literati's - the current standard bearers of acceptable human behavior.

What they conveniently ignore is that how these societies came to this predicament, what happened in the last five hundred years or before that - and how can we get out this situation - of course that would be too much to ask from them.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 Oct 2010 11:50

Personal attacks on Talisma to equate her to Suzzane Roy show a fair degree of vacuousness of content.

A comparison on their visible actions is being deliberately being turned to other direction by trying to throw mud at people's life to do a equal-equal

this is a good example of their value system

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 28 Oct 2010 12:05

Guys,

Have been missing for a few days on this thread. WRT the roy and the comments that she has made. It seems that she is worthy of case od sedition being slaped on her. The counter view is that doing so will only make her a prisoner of Konsence.

My half baked thoughts on this matter are a bit "chanikiyan".

Use AROYs words against her.

Now, some one with time and inclination could create an NGO call it justice for the Shudra solders of Cuddloor. Reason, Aroy spoke about the dead solders being dumped in garbage dump.

Sue the GOI using a PIL in order to force the goi acknoledge the dead. Provide all the benifits and pension to the survivors of the shudra solders aledgly dumped in garbage dump. With the ROY as the star Witness. As she is the one who spoke about this. With liberal media shouting from the roof tops about the plight of the shudra in uniform and the discrimnation faced by the shudras in general. The ROY will be the toast of chataraty. etc.etc.

The matter when brought to the attention of the judges of the SC will thrown out due to a lack of evidence. With an advese comment from the SC about wasting the time of the SC.

The hype will destroy whats left of her credibility. As she will be proven a liar in from of the National media.

JMT

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 28 Oct 2010 12:12

interestingly the western media has failed to pick up on any SuAR developments today. yesterday a few were chattering about the possibility of sedition, but now its all died out
perhaps the publicity agents are still stuck in starbucks getting their cappucinos and haven't managed to call up the newspapers yet...

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Oct 2010 12:22

SSridhar wrote:The J&K issue is not going to be solved through dialogue or by winning the hearts & minds of the seccessionists. It is well past that stage for us to tolerate such outbursts of 'azaadi' in the larger interests of J&K. The attempt that people like Arundhati Roy are making, and cleverly too, is to unravel the entire India, not just J&K. The involvement of traitors from AP, TN and Naxal-infected areas shows the larger plan. The demand 'not to stifle voices in the name of freedom of speech' is to enable such speeches to be made in other parts of the country. There is no 'absolute freedom of speech' anywhere, nor can it be tolerated.

Whether GoI arrests her or not, she is seeking publicity and she will get it, thanks to large sections of the media and other interested international parties. If no action is taken, her voice will become shriller. Either way, we are not going to avoid the costs. It is better that GoI acts lawfully in this matter because it will have to explain its inaction now in other future situations. Besides, GoI cannot give an impression that it is helpless. Obamas, Camerons and Sarkozys will keep visiting us every now and then and that is not reason enough for inaction. Where is embarrassment in arresting somebody due to provisions of law ? If GoI determines that her speech was not seditious, then it is a different matter though.

+1 only, sir. Hats off.

Now amit bhai, would love to hear your take on the above. TIA and all that only.

amit · Post by **amit** » 28 Oct 2010 12:58

Hari Seldon wrote:Now amit bhai, would love to hear your take on the above. TIA and all that only.

Hari Saar,

I'm honored that you want to hear my take. You made my day.

However, before I embarrass myself by saying something stupid in august company, perhaps you would be so kind enough as share your thoughts on this post I made on the last page?

I mean do you agree with what it says, or do you think its bumpkin, Congress propaganda etc? Would love to hear your take.

My limited understanding seems to suggest that it would be rather embarrassing if A Roy was arrested but the judge threw the case out. So the police should be absolutely sure they have a water tight case before proceeding. Of course IMVVHO onlee.

But I do note that A Roy is off the front pages - don't have access to TV - of newspapers. Wonder if that would be the case if police proceedings were going on?

PS: Look, I also think that the full weight of the state should be brought to bear on this narcissist megalomaniac and the State would be failing in its duty if it did not make an example of her. But that should be done in a time, place and manner of the State's choosing and not A Roy's. It's pretty obvious she wanted to be arrested, a lot of posters here have postulated why. Why give her the satisfaction at this point of time?

What is ideal and what is practical are not always the same thing, unfortunately. The question is not what Obama would think but it's the agenda which is propping up A Roy. They want to make a martyr out of her so as to pain India as a police state under the grab of democracy.

And yes you'd be interested in this. Under the headline India takes calm approach to Arundhati Roy’s Kashmir remarks this is what a Reuters report says today:

Indeed, after winning the 1997 Booker Prize for The God of Small Things, Roy has become a serial controversy-inciter. Whether it’s stirring the ire of India’s nationalist right with an over-zealous defence of the insurgent left, or standing shoulder-to-shoulder with displaced residents in criticism of the industrialist central government, stirring debate is her current raison d’être.

India appears to have treated her remarks as such.

You know what? It's western media comments such as this which A Roy and her backers fear more than a jail term of a few weeks followed by bail and martyrdom.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 28 Oct 2010 13:05

oh dear amit, you are begining to sound like a raj apologist
IMVVVVHO onlee

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Oct 2010 13:06

Amit saar,

Having gone through the previous post you linked, let me state clearly that you win the argument (if one existed) hands down.

Rest deleted. Better sense prevailed, lemme say.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Oct 2010 13:07

No raj era pissery here from me at least. Wromng thread, wrong mood. Sorry for the disruption.

amit · Post by **amit** » 28 Oct 2010 13:07

Lal Mullah ji and Hari Sir,

Please have a look to the additions I made to my post above.