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Friedman on Japan
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/1 ... -on-japan/
David Wessel has an article asking what Milton Friedman would say about quantitative easing, and concludes that he would have been in favor. But I was struck by Friedman’s 1998 remarks about Japan, in which he basically said that increasing the monetary base would do the trick:
“The Bank of Japan can buy government bonds on the open market…” he wrote in 1998. “Most of the proceeds will end up in commercial banks, adding to their reserves and enabling them to expand…loans and open-market purchases. But whether they do so or not, the money supply will increase…. Higher money supply growth would have the same effect as always. After a year or so, the economy will expand more rapidly; output will grow, and after another delay, inflation will increase moderately.”
Well, they did that: staring in 2000, the BOJ nearly doubled monetary base over a period of 3 years.And the money just sat there. Banks did not, in fact, expand loans. In fact, Japan’s experience is a key element of the case against monetarism. Just printing notes does not work when you’re in a liquidity trap.
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ramana wrote:Ind Exp story:

How they saved India story

2008 crisis handling by GOI.

Recall the ICICCI taking a dive due to speculators after Lehman tanked?
India has the Statutory Liquidity ratio requirement. It will serve as a buffer against liquidity problems. Add to that money markets, CBLO markets and cash rich PSU banks + RBI. The chances of liquidity crisis affecting Indian banks are remote.

In US the solvency issues were nicely hidden by the liquidity problems. The main issue was US banks were holding worthless Mortgage backed securities and CDOs. Either they had to go bankrupt or get a bailout.
When you don't have solvency problems, liquidity is much easier to handle
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ramana wrote:Thats a AR type comment.
It's based off the finance company failures in the 1990s (under MMS as finance minister). The only time the RBI acted was when one of the NBFCs stiffed the SBI. Even today most Indian depositors who use private sector banks are more secure keeping money in banks abroad.
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Most people dont know that but for continuous bail out by GOI (unlike on e time bail out by other countries) the Public sector Banks are kaput.
The NPA of each units is so staggering its midboggling, surprisingly all the so called NPAs are by thriving private sector like Bajaj , chidambaram / Moopnar combo and many politically connected comapnies.

The Name of the game is loot the nation from Politicians to Generals excpet for General Public (Aam Admi)

Mera Bharat Mahan

Just ever wondered Coal India's losses per day are so staggering but the selling of the same unit fetches billions of Rs, how so?

Loot Maar by PSU loot Maar by Netas, Loot Mar by industrialists Lootmaar by Forces.
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This is what,Shankar Acharya, former chief economic adviser to the GOI say's:
Currency wars and what can be done
What about India? What have we done? Our authorities (government and RBI) seem to have succumbed to watchful inaction. Since March 2009 the rupee has been allowed to rack up the sharpest appreciation (by a long margin) in real effective exchange rate (REER) terms in our recorded history: about 25 per cent up till September 2010 according to the six-currency index (major trading partners) and 15 per cent according to the 36-currency index (includes significant competitor countries). Unsurprisingly, the share of merchandise exports in GDP has stagnated, the share of net invisible earnings has dropped and both trade and current account deficits have widened significantly, with the latter likely to attain a record 4 per cent of GDP in the current year.
Despite all the noble official pronouncements favouring "inclusive growth" and "financial inclusion", our exchange rate policies have contributed to significant job losses in labour-intensive sectors producing traded goods and services.
And the encouragement of external borrowing (including the recently raised caps on FII investment in bonds) and surging portfolio inflows have refuelled asset bubbles in equities and real estate, which, if they reverse, could stress parts of our financial system in a replay of what happened in 2008-09.
The sharply appreciating rupee has, of course, weakened the medium-term viability of our balance of payments. Basically, we have failed to reduce significantly the collateral damage from the ongoing international currency/monetary wars.What should be done? Some of the damage is irreparable. But looking ahead, RBI should actively intervene in the forex market to counter excess capital inflows and contain further real rupee appreciation (preferably roll back some of the huge increase that has already occurred).
Of course, the liquidity consequences of the forex purchases should be sterilised through the standard techniques deployed so effectively in 2004-07. Second, we should deploy whatever tools for capital account management that are at hand to contain surging flowsThird, the government should seriously consider levying temporary taxes of the kind imposed by Brazil and Thailand.
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Despite all the noble official pronouncements favouring "inclusive growth" and "financial inclusion", our exchange rate policies have contributed to significant job losses in labour-intensive sectors producing traded goods and services.

This is the proxy war PRC and USA are waging
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Shyam, Neshant

Pls clarify. So IYO, US bankers are crooks and Indian bankers are non-crooks?

In case you think Indian Bankers such as RBIG etc are crooks, what solution (drafts) do you propose?

And in case, they are non-crooks, then ignore my question. If there is no problem, there is no solution needed.

,
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Johann Hari in the Independent makes some interesting observations....

Johann Hari: Protest works. Just look at the proof
There is a ripple of rage spreading across Britain. It is clearer every day that the people of this country have been colossally scammed. The bankers who crashed the economy are richer and fatter than ever, on our cash. The Prime Minister who promised us before the election “we’re not talking about swingeing cuts” just imposed the worst cuts since the 1920s, condemning another million people to the dole queue. Yet the rage is matched by a flailing sense of impotence. We are furious, but we feel there is nothing we can do. There’s a mood that we have been stitched up by forces more powerful and devious than us, and all we can do is sit back and be shafted.

This mood is wrong. It doesn’t have to be this way – if enough of us act to stop it. To explain how, I want to start with a small scandal, a small response – and a big lesson from history.
Some quick points - he's right partly, IMVHO. Aam janta are being shafted for what's not entirely their fault. The public sector caste within the aam janta however, are another story - its their retirements and pension liabilities that the rest have to bear. Seems like. And the bankster fat-cats and fraudsters have gotten away clean, again, with their dirty deeds.
In my column last week, I mentioned in passing something remarkable and almost unnoticed. For years now, Vodafone has been refusing to pay billions of pounds of taxes to the British people that are outstanding. The company – which has doubled its profits during this recession – engaged in all kinds of accounting twists and turns, but it was eventually ruled this refusal breached anti-tax avoidance rules. They looked set to pay a sum Private Eye calculates to be more than £6bn.

Then, suddenly, the exchequer – run by George Osborne – cancelled almost all of the outstanding tax bill, in a move a senior figure in Revenues and Customs says is “an unbelievable cave-in.”
{Whew, our own D Raja can heave massive sighs of relief he ain't the world's biggest telecom loot mantri around anymore, eh?}
A few days after the decision, Osborne was promoting Vodafone on a tax-payer funded trip to India. He then appointed Andy Halford, the finance director of Vodafone, to the government’s Advisory Board on Business Tax Rates, apparently because he thinks this is a model of how the Tories think it should be done.

By contrast, the Indian government chose to pursue Vodafone through the courts for the billions in tax they have failed to pay there. Yes, the British state is less functional than the Indian state when it comes to collecting revenues from the wealthy.
OK, so? Is it a (f)article of faith that UKstani gubmint must necessarily be 'better' than GOI, eh? Your soft-racism smells, punk.
This is not an isolated incident. Richard Murphy, of Tax Research UK, calculates that UK corporations fail to pay a further £12bn a year in taxes they legally owe, while the rich avoid or evade up to £120bn.

Many people emailed me saying they were outraged that while they pay their fair share for running the country, Vodafone doesn’t pay theirs. One of them named Thom Costello decided he wanted to organize a protest, so he appealed on Twitter – and this Wednesday seventy enraged citizens shut down the flagship Vodafone store on Oxford Street in protest. “Vodafone won’t pay as they go,” said one banner. “Make Vodafone pay, not the poor,” said another.
{An admission from the TFTA briturds that even Briturdistan has poor people? OMGosh. Only.}

The reaction from members of the public – who were handed leaflets explaining the situation – was startling. Again and again, people said “I’m so glad somebody is doing this” and “there needs to be much more of this.” Lots of them stopped to talk about how frightened they were about the cuts and for their own homes and jobs. The protest became the third most discussed topic in the country on Twitter, meaning millions of people now know about what Vodafone and the government have done. The protesters believe this is just the start of a movement to make the rich pay a much fairer share of taxation, and they urge people to join them: go to ukuncut.wordpress.com to find out what you can do this Saturday.
O yes. Please. Let's have some strikes, pretests, protests and pro-testes in UKstan, please. Stick it to 'em banksters, I say! Follow the noble example of Iceland. Commoners of the world unite!
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Rahul Mehta please don't go after poster's views in this thread. You can take it to nukkad or off topic thread with a link to this thread.

Thanks for the cooperation.

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Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Gold-Will ... et=&ccode=

Hathaway manages Gold funds @ Tocqueville; so there is a natural tendency to highlight gold more. The question, however, is how much of his message is valid. Lot of people who manage Gold funds or ETFs have been crying D&G for years w.r.t dollar. Is it case of the tiger story? Where the lad fooled the villagers by crying "tiger, tiger" for some time. And finally when he shouted "tiger, tiger" when he saw one, nobody paid heed to him.
The world’s monetary system is in the process of melting down. We have entered the endgame for the dollar as the dominant reserve currency, but most investors and policy makers are unaware of the implications.

The only questions are how long the denouement of the dollar reserve system will last, and how much more damage will be inflicted by new rounds of quantitative easing or more radical monetary measures to prop up the system.

Whether prolonged or sudden, the transition to a stable monetary system will become possible only when the shortcomings of the status quo become unbearable. Such a transition is, by definition, nonlinear. So central-bank soothsaying based on the extrapolation of historical data and the repetition of conventional wisdom offers no guidance on what lies ahead.

It’s amazing that there is no intelligent discourse among policy leaders on the subject of monetary rot and its implications for the future economic and political landscape. Until there is fundamental monetary reform on an international scale, most economic forecasts aren’t worth the paper on which they are written.

Telltale signs of future trouble aren’t hard to spot. Only a few months ago, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and a chorus of other high-ranking Fed officials were talking about exit strategies from the U.S. central bank’s bloated balance sheet and the financial system’s unprecedented excess liquidity. Now, those same officials are talking about pumping more money into the system to stimulate growth.

Risky Targets

And they’re not alone: Six months ago, the chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, Olivier Blanchard, suggested that raising inflation targets to 4 percent from 2 percent wouldn’t be too risky.

This sort of talk must grate on the nerves of our trading partners, China, India, Russia and others, who have accumulated pyramids of non-yielding Treasury debt. No haven there. Return- free risk may be a better way to put it. And bickering among central bankers over currency manipulation and rising trade tensions doesn’t exactly reinforce one’s confidence in a scenario of sustained economic growth and a return to prosperity.

The prospects for an orderly unwinding of the extreme posture of global monetary policy are zero. Bernanke, Jean- Claude Trichet and Mervyn King, his counterparts in Europe and the U.K. respectively, are huddling en masse upon the most precarious perch in the history of monetary affairs. These alleged guardians of monetary stability, in their attempts to shore up the system, have simply created the incinerator for paper money. We are past the point of no return. Quantitative easing may well become a way of life.

No Freak Occurrence

The consensus investment view seems to be that the credit crisis of 2008 was a freak occurrence, unlikely to repeat. That is wishful thinking. Monetary policy has painted itself into a corner. Based on our present course, there will be more bubbles and more meltdowns.

Financial markets and institutions sense trouble, as reflected in the flight to supposedly safe assets such as Treasuries and corporate-debt instruments with paltry yields, as well as the reluctance to lend by commercial banks. We are stuck in an epic liquidity trap. The irony is, if global central banks succeed in creating inflation, the value of these safe assets will be destroyed. It is a slaughter waiting to happen.

In the pedantic mentality of central bankers, their playbook creates just the right amount of inflation. As inflation accelerates, consumers will spend to get rid of their dollars of diminishing value and spur the economy. Once consumers start spending, it will be time to raise interest rates because a solid foundation for prosperity will have been established, they say.

Slender Thread

But whatever the playbook promises, the capacity of financial markets to overshoot can’t be overestimated. The belief among policy makers and financial markets in the possibility of this sort of fine-tuning is preposterous, but it is the slender thread on which remaining investment and business confidence rests.

The breakdown of the monetary system will be chaotic. When inflation commences, it will be highly disruptive. The damage to fixed-income assets will seem instantaneous. Foreign-exchange markets will become dysfunctional. The economy will become even more fragile and unpredictable.

Gold is an imperfect, but comparatively reliable, {his sales pitch :-)} market gauge for the extent of current and future monetary destruction. The recent acceleration in the dollar price of the metal to $1,381, a record high in nominal terms, coincided with talk of a new round of quantitative easing and highly visible discord among major nations on trade and currency-valuation issues.

Naysayers’ Bubble

Naysayers point to gold’s price and see a bubble, without understanding that the only acceleration that is taking place is in the rate of decline of paper currency. The Fed is organizing an attack on the dollar’s value, believing that this is the most expedient way to defuse deflationary market forces. The man in the street is unaware, a perfect setup. Inflation can only be successful when the public doesn’t see it coming.

The sudden torrent of commentary on gold isn’t the sign of a bubble. Anti-gold pundits provide a great service to those who grasp this historical moment: They facilitate the advantageous positioning of the one asset most likely to be left standing when the dust settles.

(John Hathaway is a managing director of Tocqueville Asset Management LP in New York. The opinions expressed are his own.)

To contact the writer of this column: John Hathaway at [email protected]

To contact the editor responsible for this column: James Greiff at [email protected]
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Gold has been rising for the last 10 years.

If he's been 'crying wolf' for the last 10 years, he's been right.

Suckers are desparetely needed by banking crooks to offload their massive losses. Since this useless middleman industry produces nothing of real value, it cannot possibly dig itself out of its gambling debts.

The only problem now is the real economy is collapsing so the pool of suckers is fast shrinking. Personally I don't care if the price of gold doubles or halves in the short term. I won't be selling any of my physical gold until I see an end of the parasitic private banking ripoff cartel which engages in theft from the real economy to sustain its existance.
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What i see coming down the pike in America is an end to the Social Security payouts to all citizens on retirement. There will only be payouts of SS to those who are poor, not to everyone. So there will be some sort of 'means testing' to see if you are really poor enough to qualify for social security.

That's one way to eliminate a good deal of growing US liabilities.

Unfortunately for those who have paid in, they will have to be ripped off since SS is run like a ponzi scheme.

Probably anyone who has done the right thing by saving for his retirement and building up a nest egg will be automatically denied SS. So beware. Don't factor in SS when calculating how much you will have in retirement - its not going to be around.
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Social inSecurity
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How about each individual gets only a total amount SS benefits of what was paid in by him/her by the time of retirement, i.e. at least the capital amount forget the interest and lost opportunity, beginning now ? :-)
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Then why would anybody contribute to SS? Then what happens to current retirees or about to retire people who already contributed? Their money is supposed to come new contributions.
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Getting something back is better than nothing at all, for those who are forced to contribute now. I was suggesting it as better than what was said above, regarding payments only to the 'poor' or 'needy' the definition of which is murky.

Even with just capital returned back, it has lower value than what was contributed into SS due to effects of inflation over the years.

Contribution is not voluntary isn't it as of now, if it were I would have opted out of it entirely myself, having to put in money for the next 20+ yrs, with no benefits to look forward to in the end.
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Naked Capitalism had a report on following thrilling story in a non-family friendly website

(Please don't click the link if you are in the office or some kid is watching what you browse)

How to Destroy a Bank

TAE had following tweet:
#Breaking point? #French planning a #Bank run on December 7th 2010 goes viral, so far 7,000 people have signed up. http://huff.to/bNntZ0
Looks like things are getting serious.
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^^ Now that's a clever idea.

Since banks are heavily leveraged (and most are insolvent but hiding it), drawing out $1 will force them to offload X * $1 in investments. X represents the amount of leverage they have under the fractional reserve money counterfeiting scheme.

If these wreckless banks are leveraged 50:1, then 10000 people drawing out $10000 would result in a margin call of :

10000 * 10000 * 50 = 50,000,000,000

or 50 billion dollars in one go! That in turn should produce a chain reaction where margin calls start rolling through the pyramid like falling dominoes just like it did in October, 2008. That aside, I think we've discovered a good way to 'stress test' banks (heh heh) - the proper way, not the bogus govt way. See if they can withstand a run.

There's only one problem.... the consumer hardly has any savings! They'd be better off calling for a day where everyone defaults on their debts.
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While working in Godrej Vikhroli, Our salaries were deposited in the nearest SBI, there used to be a SB a/c clerk who was extremely arrogant and kamchor, so all engineers decided to teach him a lesson, so we would go enmass and deposit Rs 2.00 in each other account with the passbooks in hand and at the same time withdraw the same Rs 2.00 to deposit. At that time there was no computerization so he had to post journal entries and ledger entires for all of the ledgers.. very soon he made amends
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I was all ROTFLMAO when I read the following comments on ZH about the plot involving explosives supposedly stuffed inside tampered Printer Cartridges:
by Hedge Jobs
on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 19:55
#687307

"could this be a case where Jewish extremists were importing bomb making materials?"

probably not S7 but jewish extremists (the Federal reserve) are importing printer cartiges ahead next weeks FOMC meeting.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-2 ... haway.html
Gold Will Outlive Dollar Once Slaughter Comes: John Hathaway
By John Hathaway - Oct 28, 2010 6:00 PM PT

The world’s monetary system is in the process of melting down. We have entered the endgame for the dollar as the dominant reserve currency, but most investors and policy makers are unaware of the implications.

The only questions are how long the denouement of the dollar reserve system will last, and how much more damage will be inflicted by new rounds of quantitative easing or more radical monetary measures to prop up the system.


Whether prolonged or sudden, the transition to a stable monetary system will become possible only when the shortcomings of the status quo become unbearable. Such a transition is, by definition, nonlinear. So central-bank soothsaying based on the extrapolation of historical data and the repetition of conventional wisdom offers no guidance on what lies ahead.

It’s amazing that there is no intelligent discourse among policy leaders on the subject of monetary rot and its implications for the future economic and political landscape. Until there is fundamental monetary reform on an international scale, most economic forecasts aren’t worth the paper on which they are written.

Telltale signs of future trouble aren’t hard to spot. Only a few months ago, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and a chorus of other high-ranking Fed officials were talking about exit strategies from the U.S. central bank’s bloated balance sheet and the financial system’s unprecedented excess liquidity. Now, those same officials are talking about pumping more money into the system to stimulate growth.

Risky Targets

And they’re not alone: Six months ago, the chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, Olivier Blanchard, suggested that raising inflation targets to 4 percent from 2 percent wouldn’t be too risky.

This sort of talk must grate on the nerves of our trading partners, China, India, Russia and others, who have accumulated pyramids of non-yielding Treasury debt. No haven there. Return- free risk may be a better way to put it. And bickering among central bankers over currency manipulation and rising trade tensions doesn’t exactly reinforce one’s confidence in a scenario of sustained economic growth and a return to prosperity.

The prospects for an orderly unwinding of the extreme posture of global monetary policy are zero. Bernanke, Jean- Claude Trichet and Mervyn King, his counterparts in Europe and the U.K. respectively, are huddling en masse upon the most precarious perch in the history of monetary affairs. These alleged guardians of monetary stability, in their attempts to shore up the system, have simply created the incinerator for paper money. We are past the point of no return. Quantitative easing may well become a way of life.

No Freak Occurrence

The consensus investment view seems to be that the credit crisis of 2008 was a freak occurrence, unlikely to repeat. That is wishful thinking. Monetary policy has painted itself into a corner. Based on our present course, there will be more bubbles and more meltdowns.

Financial markets and institutions sense trouble, as reflected in the flight to supposedly safe assets such as Treasuries and corporate-debt instruments with paltry yields, as well as the reluctance to lend by commercial banks. We are stuck in an epic liquidity trap. The irony is, if global central banks succeed in creating inflation, the value of these safe assets will be destroyed. It is a slaughter waiting to happen.

In the pedantic mentality of central bankers, their playbook creates just the right amount of inflation. As inflation accelerates, consumers will spend to get rid of their dollars of diminishing value and spur the economy. Once consumers start spending, it will be time to raise interest rates because a solid foundation for prosperity will have been established, they say.

Slender Thread

But whatever the playbook promises, the capacity of financial markets to overshoot can’t be overestimated. The belief among policy makers and financial markets in the possibility of this sort of fine-tuning is preposterous, but it is the slender thread on which remaining investment and business confidence rests.

The breakdown of the monetary system will be chaotic. When inflation commences, it will be highly disruptive. The damage to fixed-income assets will seem instantaneous. Foreign-exchange markets will become dysfunctional. The economy will become even more fragile and unpredictable.

Gold is an imperfect, but comparatively reliable, market gauge for the extent of current and future monetary destruction. The recent acceleration in the dollar price of the metal to $1,381, a record high in nominal terms, coincided with talk of a new round of quantitative easing and highly visible discord among major nations on trade and currency-valuation issues.

Naysayers’ Bubble

Naysayers point to gold’s price and see a bubble, without understanding that the only acceleration that is taking place is in the rate of decline of paper currency. The Fed is organizing an attack on the dollar’s value, believing that this is the most expedient way to defuse deflationary market forces. The man in the street is unaware, a perfect setup. Inflation can only be successful when the public doesn’t see it coming.

The sudden torrent of commentary on gold isn’t the sign of a bubble. Anti-gold pundits provide a great service to those who grasp this historical moment: They facilitate the advantageous positioning of the one asset most likely to be left standing when the dust settles.

(John Hathaway is a managing director of Tocqueville Asset Management LP in New York. The opinions expressed are his own.)

To contact the writer of this column: John Hathaway at [email protected]
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OK, Zero hedge's Tyler Durden's on a roll again (as usual). Kindly take his stuff with salt and shakes. Still, he does have good stuff sometimes....
A Paralyzed Fed Defers Decision On Monetary Policy To Primary Dealers In An Act That Can Only Be Classified As Treason
As if there was any doubt before which way the arrow of control, and particularly causality, points in America's financial system, the following stunner just released from Bloomberg confirms it once and for all. According to Rebecca Christie and Craig Torres, the New York Fed has issued a survey to Primary Dealers, which asks for suggestions on the size of QE2 as well as the time over which it would be completed.

It also asks firms how often they anticipate the Fed will re-evaluate the program, and to estimate its ultimate size.
Wow. So QE2 is a given now? Unsurprising but still, surprising. And the PDs get to call the length and depth of QE2. Wow again? Again, unsurprising but still surprising only.
That the Fed is most likely completely paralyzed due to the escalating confrontation between the Hawks and the Doves, and that not even Bernanke believes has has sufficient clout to prevent what Time magazine has dubbed a potential opening salvo into a chain of events that could lead to civil war: in effect Bernanke will use the PD's decision as a trump card to the Hawks and say the market will plunge unless at least this much money is printed
WHAT?! Where and when did TIME say something like that? Anyone have a clue? TIA.
That the Fed is effectively asking the Primary Dealers to act as underwriters on whatever announcement the Fed will come up with, and thus prop the market
That the PDs will most likely demand the highest possible amount, using Goldman's $2-4 trillion as a benchmark, and not only frontrun the ultimate issuance knowing full well what the syndicate of 18 will decide in advance of what the final amount will be, but will also ramp stocks on November 3 to make the actual QE announcement seem like a surprise.
And so that means...
This also means that the Primary Dealers of America, which include among them such hedge funds as Goldman Sachs, such mortgage frauds as Bank of America, such insolvent foreign banks as Deutsche, RBS, UBS and RBS, and such middle-market excuses for banks as Jefferies, are now in control of US monetary, and as we explain below fiscal, policy.
Ok. whoa. wow. well. Head's kinda spinning both directions at once. Will have to take time and trouble to digest this and ruminate over its portends, if any. Nov 3 ain't all that far away. Happy diwali to janta in advance only.

Meanwhile ZH soldiers on...
This is the last straw confirming that the only ones left trading the market are the Fed and the PDs, passing hot potatoes to each other, and the HFTs, churning the shit out of everything else to pretend someone is still trading.

And the saddest conclusion is that this is the definitive end of US capital markets: not only is the Fed's political subordination a moot point, but the Fed, and the middle class' purchasing power via the imminent dollar destruction that is sure to follow as the PDs seek to obliterate their underwater assets by raging inflation, is now effectively confirmed to be a bitch of Lloyd Blankfein and his posse.
Read it all, if you can bear to.
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OK. Here it is. The Bloomberg piece tyler refers to. wow. just wow.

Fed Asks Dealers to Estimate Size, Impact of Debt Purchases
The Federal Reserve asked bond dealers and investors for projections of central bank asset purchases over the next six months, along with the likely effect on yields, as it seeks to gauge the possible impact of new efforts to spur growth. The New York Fed survey, obtained by Bloomberg News, asks about expectations for the initial size of any new program of debt purchases and the time over which it would be completed. It also asks firms how often they anticipate the Fed will re- evaluate the program, and to estimate its ultimate size.

With their benchmark interest rate near zero, policy makers meet Nov. 2-3 to consider steps to boost an economy that’s growing too slowly to reduce unemployment near a 26-year high. Financial-market participants are focusing on the size, timing and maturities of likely purchases aimed at lowering long-term rates, with estimates reaching $1 trillion or more.

"If they buy too much, I think there’s a real chance that rates are going to rise because people are worried about inflation," said Stephen Stanley, chief economist at Pierpont Securities LLC in Stamford, Connecticut. "If they don’t buy much, they’re not going to have a market impact." William Dudley, president of the New York Fed and vice chairman of the Federal Open Market Committee, set expectations of about $500 billion for a new round of so-called quantitative easing, a figure he used in an Oct. 1 speech.

Investor Concern
"What the market wants to hear is that the Fed is going to buy $1 trillion" of Treasuries, said Joseph Lavorgna, chief U.S. economist at Deutsche Bank Securities Inc. in New York. "Concerns that it might be less is causing investors to worry about how deep and broad this program is going to be."
Treasuries rose for the first time in seven days today, pushing the yield on the benchmark 10-year note down two basis points, or 0.02 percentage point, to 2.698 percent as of 10:38 a.m. in London. The yield climbed to the highest in more than a month yesterday on speculation that the Fed will buy less debt than some traders had been expecting.
Oh, read it all. ANd then some more between the lines.
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Debt purchase more dollars in the circulation... Ahoy....
PRC watch out your dollars are going down the tube slush (royal) flush...
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by poor fella
on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 00:35
#682540

Ben: So, I asked you here to discuss your ideas on the size of QE 2 of X.

BNP Paribas Securities Corp. - We're in whatever camp Goldman is in, they seem to always have a good feeling about these things (*wink*).

Banc of America Securities LLC - We don't have a problem going with the majority.

Barclays C - Uh, what were you thinking?

Cantor Fitzgerald & Co. - Yeah, any ballpark figure to work with, or can we just throw anything out there?

Citigroup Global Markets Inc. - We're good with anything, we don't expect to be together much longer but a good final pufff under our 'chutes is always appreciated.

Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC - Are you talking 'DOLLARS'?

Daiwa Capital Markets America Inc. - As long as we can get our house in order first, we're good.

Deutsche Bank Securities Inc. - Two Hundred and Fifty BILLLION Dollars? Remember, Benjamin, we still make a few things!

Goldman, Sachs & Co. - Call Hank! NOW

HSBC Securities (USA) Inc. - 3 trillion couldn't hurt. Could it?

Jefferies & Company, Inc. - 4 TRILLION!

J.P. Morgan Securities LLC - 6 TRILLIONators!!

Mizuho Securities USA Inc. - Jamie jamie, if we put that amount in the computers, they will break.

Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated - "TOTALLY AWESOME!!"

Nomura Securities International, Inc. - Eeeeerigoshinon agopeey beddirashagadanonn!!!! Hari Kari-anan!!

RBS Securities Inc. - Ok, picture if during the announcement we could bring in the bagpipers! Woot - there it is! This WILL BE a world event - we'll all come out together, hand in hand, with a new slogan our marketing team has come up with, "Yes, WE CAN".

RBC Capital Markets Corporation - meh?

UBS Securities LLC. - ****** it - 100 Trillion!! It's a no brainer - you gotta surprise 'em, go wayyy out there. It's time Ben - let it be your time - let it be our time.
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Well, whuddathunkit only, greek PM sri papandreu has gone taliballistic only.

Consider the latest from sri AEP at the UQ telegraf.
Greece reignites Europe debt woes
Europe's debt woes have returned to the fore after Greek premier George Papandreou threw open the door to fresh elections and vowed to liberate the nation from "slavery and surveillance".
Hear, hear! And lest anybody think he's joking, he's not. He's dead serious. Both dead and serious only. The debt repayment demanded of greek citizenry is vampire bloodsucking only. Behold the new colonism. IMHO, commoners of the world ought to unite and slay this dragon. Say no to slavery and surveillance, folks!
"We have not yet escaped the danger. I am sounding the alarm," said Mr Papandreou. While he promised to stick to the EU-IMF austerity plan, he threatened to go to the country if upcoming local elections fail to give his socialist PASOK party a clear mandate. "There can no deadlock in democracy, the people have the power to decide," he said. The main opposition group New Democracy has yet to give a watertight pledge that it would abide by the terms of the EU's €110bn (£97bn) rescue, or the "Memorandum" as it is known.
PASOK itself is fraying at the edges in any case. A socialist rebel candidate from the "anti-Memorandum" bloc leads the polls for the Athens region.

Mr Papandreou is responding with populist gestures, granting pensioners a €300 bonus and rejecting calls by Brussels and his own central bank for further belt-tightening. "There will be no new measures on wage-earners or pensioners, they have paid enough," he said. The fiscal picture is extremely delicate. Eurostat is expected to raise Greece's budget deficit for 2009 to 15.1pc of GDP from 13.3pc. Public debt will rise to 127pc instead of 115pc, bringing the country closer to a debt compound spiral.
Aah. Pious democrazy in action. All hail. jai ho.
Yields on 10-year Greek bonds jumped 31 basis points to 9.57pc and the euro tumbled 2 cents to $1.385 against the dollar as investors awoke to the risk of political upheaval in Greece, not helped by warnings from bond giant PIMCO that Athens will default within three years.
3 years. Something tells me PIMCO may have shorted eurozone debt on a much tighter schedule. Only.
Mohamed El-Erian, chief executive of Pimco, said the EU-IMF package prevents Greece from growing its way out of the crisis and will test political consensus to destruction. He said it would be healthier for both Greece and Europe to opt for orderly debt restructuring. Most investors seem to agree that the EU-IMF plan is unworkable, merely buying time for German and French banks to shift Greek liabilities on to EU taxpayers. A Barclays survey found that 82pc of clients expect the eurozone to face a debt restructuring, a sovereign default or even a full break-up by 2013.

Hans Redeker, currency chief at BNP Paribas, said global attention may switch back to Europe once the US Federal Reserve clears the air on quantitative easing next week.
"We are seeing a complete failure of the EU to agree on common foundations for how to solve the eurozone's problems. Germany is demanding a mechanism for controlled bankruptcy but the high-debt states refuse to accept this," he said. "And over the next few months we are going to find out what fiscal consolidation in Europe really means."
Yawn. Wake me up when there's smoke in the streets. Until then everything is talk only. And talk is cheap.
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If papandreou renegs
Brussels sprout will come to life
in the form of New PAPAD OPOLOUS (Junta from Barracks will be unleashed a la Dogs of war)

Anybody seen the Movie "Z" directed by Costa Gavaras?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NPJ9sPbH18
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They have started dissing Warren Buffett

http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&c ... TTR_sjz69M

He is faulted for investing outside US too much
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They have started dissing Warren Buffett
I lost all respect for him when I heard him hollering in Oct, 2008 for bailouts. Apparently the companies his fund had invested (mostly financial) in were all tanking and set to go bankrupt. When the initial round of the bailout bill failed due to mass public protests, he started hollering even more.

So much for his 'legendary investor' title.
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Another home run by sri AEP garu.

Good analysis of the EU situ. link
Bondholders will discover burden-sharing. Debt relief will be enforced, either by interest holidays or haircuts on the value of the bonds. Investors will pay the price for failing to grasp the mechanical and obvious point that currency unions do not eliminate risk: they switch it from exchange risk to default risk…

“We must keep in mind the feelings of our people, who have a justified desire to see that private investors are also on the hook, and not just taxpayers,” said German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Or in the words of Bundesbank chief Axel Weber: “Next time there is a problem, (bondholders) should be part of the solution rather than part of the problem. So far the only ones who have paid for the solution are the taxpayers.”

These were the terms imposed by Germany at Friday’s EU summit as the Quid Pro Quo for the creation of a permanent rescue fund in 2013….

Mrs Merkel needs a treaty change to prevent the German constitutional court from blocking the bail-out fund as a breach of the EU law, and a treaty change is what she will get….
You go, girl!
One might argue that bondholders should have been punished for their errors long ago. The stench of moral hazard has been sickening, on both sides of the Atlantic.
{Amen.}
An orderly bankruptcy along lines routinely engineered by the International Monetary Fund is exactly what Greece needs. It makes no sense to push Greece further into a debt compound spiral by raising public debt from 115pc of GDP at the outset of the “rescue” to 150pc at the end of the ordeal.

If you strip out the humbug, the Greek package allows banks and funds to shift roughly €150bn of liabilities onto EU governments, or the European Central Bank, or the IMF. Greek citizens are being subjected to the full pain of austerity under false pretences, without being offered the cure of debt relief.

It is in reality a bail-out for investors. There is a touch of cruelty in this. Needless to say, the Greek Left has noticed. A socialist dissident from the “anti-Memorandum” bloc (ie anti EU-IMF) is likely to win the Athens region in coming elections.

Note too that the ruling socialists have fallen to 25pc in the Portuguese polls, while the Communists and hard-left Bloco are together up to 18pc. Ain’t seen nothing, you might say.
Hear, hear! Moi too is all for the commoners in this vicious game. Haircut kya, scalpcut the bondholder banks out on this one, I say.

If you wanna know what this does to aam economies, even TFTA ones, caught in the blizzard, read on the tragic tale of Ireland only (from Derivativces guru Satyajit Das)
The “cure” may be worse than the disease. After implementing austerity measures, Ireland’s nominal gross domestic product (”GDP”) has fallen by nearly 20%. The budget deficit as a percentage of GDP has doubled to 14% from 7% Government debt as a percentage of GDP has increased to 64% from 44% at the start of the crisis. It is forecast to go to over 100% having been around 25% during the boom years. The cost of bailing out Ireland’s banking system has risen and may reach 20-30% of its GDP. Ireland’s credit rating has fallen.

In late September 2010, Ireland announced that in the second quarter the economy contracted by 1.2%, against expectations for 0.4% growth raising renewed concerns about European sovereign risk. Similar scenarios are playing out in Spain and Portugal.
But there are risks too, as AEP notes:
Yet opening the door to bondholder haircuts at this delicate juncture — with spreads reaching fresh records in Ireland last week, and Portugal struggling to pass a budget – is to toss a hand-grenade into the eurozone periphery….

Spain’s premier Jose-Luis Zapatero knew he had been mugged. “We need to listen carefully to what the head of the ECB says about the rescue mechanism. Great care is called for because this message is risky,” he said.

Eurozone sovereign states must issue €915bn in new bonds next year, according the UBS, either to roll over debt or to cover very big deficits – though it is hard to outdo Ireland’s deficit of 32pc of GDP in 2009. Yet investors have just been told in blunt terms to charge a hefty risk premium on any peripheral debt that expires after 2013, with great confusion over what happens even before that date. Can any investor be sure what the terms will be if Ireland or Portugal needs to access the EU’s bail-out fund next week, or next month, or next year? Are haircuts already de rigueur?
There seems to be light at the end of the EU tunnel. If Smt Merkel has her way.
Chancellor Merkel is ultimately correct. A mechanism for sovereign defaults is entirely healthy. Had it been in place long ago, EMU would have been stronger. The proper timing for this was at the Maastricht Treaty, or Amsterdam, or at the latest Nice, but in those days the EU elites were still arrogantly dismissive about the implications of a currency union.
Better late than never, I guess.

Read it all, IMHO.
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Pioneer book review of Raghu rajan's new book
Lines without any fault
November 01, 2010 8:17:37 PM


Fault Lines: How Hidden Fractures Still Threaten the World Economy
Author: Raghuram G Rajan
Publisher: Penguin
Price: 499

The book analyses the causes of the recent global meltdown, and how the US, China and India in particular dealt with it, writes KRG Nair

Everyone agrees that the proximate cause of the recent, prolonged and severe global economic meltdown is the indiscriminate expansion in sub-prime lending in the American housing sector. Finance is hence considered the villain of the piece and innovation, particularly in the field of finance, regarded as the original sinner.

While curative measures are being worked out and some even implemented, what is needed is a detailed analysis of the underlying causes to prevent the repetition of such an economic eventuality. Raghuram G Rajan, a Chicago-based academic in finance and one of the few who swam against the Greenspan tide to predict the meltdown as far back as in 2005, has carried out such an exercise admirably in this book.

Rajan does not absolve the financial sector of the blame for the current economic crisis. The book actually contains a blow-by-blow and interestingly presented account of the development of sub-prime lending in the housing sector in the US. It, however, stresses that finance has an important role to play in any growing economy and pleads against throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

The longest chapter of the book is on reforming finance to prevent the recurrence of the financial imbroglio, leading to the highly inflated financial bubble and its subsequent and inevitable bust. The book contains an in-depth analysis of the causes for this imbroglio and also the reasons why the imbroglio had such a vast impact on the world economy. It thus goes far beyond this proximate financial cause for the present economic downturn using historical evidences and making comparisons with a number of earlier downturns.

The author attributes the present economic depression, very different from the earlier ones, to three fault lines underlying the crust of the world economy. These are domestic political stresses in the US due to rising income inequality and the resultant successful political pressure on easy credit, foreign trade imbalances and other global linkages stemming from export-led development strategies followed by some countries and the impact of different types of financial systems in different nations on financing these trade imbalances. These three and the inter-relationship between them come up for detailed analysis on the basis of developments in the fields of finance. Also, the economies of the US and a few other countries like Japan, Germany, China and India have been analysed in the introduction of the book and the 10 chapters that follow it.

The analysis of most of the issues taken up is both incisive and revealing. This is particularly true of the findings on the financial sector. Few will question the author’s view that the monetary policy should consider the bridling of sky-rocketing asset-prices to bring about financial stability also as one of its major objectives. His scientific explanation of credit rating agencies giving AAA rating to securities involving tail risks may make people hesitate to condemn such agencies for the ratings given in times of boom. Nor would one blindly dub short-sellers like James Chanos of Kynikos associates as vilified vultures feasting on misfortune since he could, unlike many others, see through the balance-sheets of Enron.

The author frankly admits that while market mechanism should theoretically encourage the difficult combination of good risk management and penalisation of excessive risk-taking, it has actually not been doing so. The book brings out the fact that while one should have an innovative and dynamic financial system without excess risk and outrageous behaviour, such a system is hard to achieve and difficult to maintain particularly in these days of crony capitalism — termed as managed capitalism by the author.

Few will disagree with Rajan’s statement that the world economy resembles Mandeville’s beehive these days, with countries like the US, the UK and Spain spending more than what they produce, while countries like China are doing the opposite. With currency wars looming large in today’s world, questions will also not be asked about his pessimism on the role of international organisations in maintaining sustainable international economic equilibrium by bringing about coordinated macro-economic management between nations by making each of them individually realise that their long-term gain due to this would be worth the short-term pain.

The book also contains an overview of some economies of the world. Three of the chapters are on the US and are full of illustrations and examples. Hence the book gives an idea of the nature of personal income inequalities, the educational system and the social security (before the recent changes in the healthcare system) prevalent in that country, besides containing a critical examination of the monetary policy of the country during the period analysed. There is a good, though brief, discussion on the Chinese economy and a 14-page afterward about India as well.

There remain, however, some quibbles. Certain chapters, which appear later, seem to have been written earlier and with greater care; these incongruities could have been avoided. There are some places in the book where the language can be improved upon. One also wonders at the need for an epilogue, which has nothing to add. For uniformity in style, there should have been a “summary and conclusions” section for chapter 4. Some of his sundry statements like the one in the introduction that economic reforms have improved the condition of the poor, in Chapter 1 that the entry of women into the job market increased income inequality due to selective mating and in Chapter 2 that bread was a necessary item for the common man in urban India in the mid-1970s, are all subject to question.

Despite these minor irritants, the book is a must read for anyone looking for an in-depth analysis of the underlying causes of the recent global meltdown.

--The reviewer is former Professor of Business Economics, University of Delhi
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Australia rise interest rates. Is this start of the defences?
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Its to curb inflation and irrational FII funds?
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Raising rates may clamp down inflation, all else being the same. However, it worsens the interest rate arbitrage situation, causing more external funds to flow into the country. They'll need capital inflow controls on top of raised rates to handle the situation.
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Website name says it all....

http://dailyjobcuts.com/
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agree. thats what Subba rao proposed (and is doing) to slow down econmy heating up Interest rate hike and as well as FDI inflows.
Too quick a dollar invasion of Indian economy would make the dollar to fall and INR to gain which hits exports.... Already Indian insudtry is cribbing about INR goinup against USD...
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Source: U.S. “Quantitative Easing” is Fracturing the Global Economy

A very good read in my opinion.
Great structural changes in world trade and finance occur quickly – by quantum leaps, not by slow marginal accretions. The 1945-2010 era of relatively open trade, capital movements and foreign exchange markets is being destroyed by a predatory financial opportunism that is breaking the world economy into two spheres: a dollar sphere in which central banks in Europe, Japan and many OPEC and Third World countries hold their reserves the form of U.S. Treasury debt of declining foreign-exchange value; and a BRIC-centered sphere, led by China, India, Brazil and Russia, reaching out to include Turkey and Iran, most of Asia, and major raw materials exporters that are running trade surpluses.
In fact, financial conquest is seeking today what military conquest did in times past: control of land and basic infrastructure, industry and mining, banking systems and even government finances to extract the economic surplus as interest and tollbooth-type economic rent charges. U.S. officials euphemize this policy as “quantitative easing.” The Federal Reserve is flooding the banking system with so much liquidity that Treasury bills now yield less than 1%, and banks can draw freely on Fed credit. Japanese banks have seen yen borrowing rates fall to 0.25%.

This policy is based on a the wrong-headed idea that if the Fed provides liquidity, banks will take the opportunity to lend out credit at a markup, “earning their way out of debt” – inflating the economy in the process. And when the Fed talks about “the economy,” it means asset markets – above all for real estate, as some 80% of bank loans in the United States are mortgage loans.
This victimization of the international financial system is a consequence of the U.S. Government’s attempt to bail out the banks by re-inflating U.S. real estate, stock and bond markets at least to their former Bubble Economy levels. This is what U.S. economic policy and even its foreign policy is now all about, including de-criminalizing financial fraud. As Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner tried to defend this policy: “Americans were rightfully angry that the same firms that helped create the economic crisis got taxpayer support to keep their doors open. But the program was essential to averting a second Great Depression, stabilizing a collapsing financial system, protecting the savings of Americans [or more to the point, he means, their indebtedness] and restoring the flow of credit that is the oxygen of the economy.
Instead of lending domestically, banks are sending the Fed’s tsunami of credit abroad, flooding world currency markets with cheap U.S. “keyboard credit.” The Fed’s plan is like that of the Bank of Japan after its bubble burst in 1990: The hope is that lending to speculators will enable banks to earn their way out of debt. So U.S. banks are engaging in interest-rate arbitrage (the carry trade), currency speculation, commodity speculation (driving up food and mineral prices sharply this year), and buying into companies in Asia and raw materials exporters.
Countries on the receiving end of this U.S. financial conquest (“restoring stability” is how U.S. officials characterize it) understandably are seeking to protect themselves. Ultimately, the only serious way to do this is to erect a wall of capital controls to block foreign speculators from deranging currency and financial markets.
{Hmm.....did not our former RBI Governor talk about Capital inflow controls? Putting 2 and 2 together, it sort of lends credibility to some of the accusations in this article.}
The international economy’s role is envisioned as a deus ex machina to rescue the economy. Foreign countries are to serve as markets for a resurgence of U.S. industrial exports (and at least arms sales are taking off to India and Saudi Arabia),{Obama - The Sales Person will sell more of these} and most of all as financial markets for U.S. banks and speculators to make money at the expense of foreign central banks trying to stabilize their currencies.

The Fed believes that debt levels can rise and become more solvent if U.S. employment increases by producing more exports. The way to achieve this is presumably to depreciate the dollar – the kind of “beggar-my-neighbor” policy that marked the 1930s. Devaluation will be achieved by flooding currency markets with dollars, providing the kind of zigzagging opportunities that are heaven-sent for computerized currency trading, short selling and kindred financial options.

Such speculation is a zero-sum game. Someone must lose. If Quantitative Easing is to help U.S. banks earn their way out of negative equity, by definition their gains must be at the expense of foreigners. This is what makes QE II is a form of financial aggression.
The global economy is being turned into a tributary system, achieving what military conquest sought in times past. This turns out to be implicit in QE II. Arbitrageurs and speculators are swamping Asian and Third World currency markets with low-priced U.S. dollar credit to make predatory trading profits at the expense of foreign central banks trying to stabilize their exchange rates by selling their currency for dollar-denominated securities – under conditions where the United States and Canada are blocking reciprocal direct investment (e.g., Potash Corp. of Saskatchewan in Canada and Unocal in the United States.).

Moderators: We have the global economy thread and this thread. Hari garu has led this thread very well, since the economic meltdown has been analyzed and now we are more or less discussing the global economy, is it time to stop this thread? Just a 2 cent question.

ps: Sadly some of us know more about the economy and global politics than the US citizens who voted yesterday.
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