Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Nov 2010 23:28

All Poak claim the blood of MO-Bin Qasim flows in Poakdrain, Was he Shia or Sunni?
If Sunni, then he cant be the father of Shia Poaks. And how does proud Pathan reconcile with Arapic gene infusion via MBQ? IF MBQ forced the khatna then Sikhs forced the Shalwar Kamiz, Onlee local ingredient seems to be the local Awarats in khalis Arapic sense.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 02 Nov 2010 00:42

IED mubaraks this time on raliway tracks alas this was a dot ball

4 injured in two blasts around railway track in S. Pakistan

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 02 Nov 2010 00:44

Cheena bound paki railways wants to increase fares
Pakistan Railways to increase fares

LAHORE/ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Railways has asked the federal government to provide the subsidy on the fares or to allow the department as it could raise traveling charges.

Sources in the Pakistan Railways informed that the department has to pay Rs 50 million to Pakistan State Oil and with the increase in petroleum products, the debt burden would be huge.

The Pakistan Railways asked the government to announce subsidy or it will announce raise traveling fares. SAMAA

So without maintainence how soon can we see the rail lines disintegrating? That is one more additional subsidy that 3.5 masters need to cough up to keep their lap dog afloat

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 02 Nov 2010 00:53

pretty nice article posting here to give pak lurkers some food for thought

Why have Pakistan and India Evolved so Differently?

Back then, these two highly illiterate South Asian nations had predominantly agriculture-based economies, with Pakistan inheriting a better-developed irrigation system compared to India. Leaving aside their majority religions, at birth, they shared culture, language, ethnicity and culinary habits. Yet, their evolution couldn’t be any more different – while India has emerged to become a secular nation with a thriving and multi-faceted economy, constitutionally Islamic Pakistan has descended into an economic basket case and a fountainhead of terror.

The Pakistani state had the opportunity, like India, to focus on development and wealth creation. But it chose not to. India’s emergence is due to the investments it made in building quality higher educational institutions in the fields of engineering, technology and management in the 1950s and 60s.[ii]
During the same period, while neglecting modern education,[iii] Pakistan was busy sponsoring a myriad of homegrown jihadist groups as a means of extending its sphere of influence abroad. It is suspected of aiding some Taliban groups in order to advance its agenda in Afghanistan.[iv] It is also said to sponsor radical groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, implicated in the 2008 Mumbai attacks by the Indian government.[v]

A narrative of the Muslim minorities in South Asia consists of early hints that are as fascinating as they are telling of Pakistan’s descend into radicalism.

When the British colonizers set up a Sanskrit college in Kolkata in 1829, Hindu leaders opposed it, demanding English medium schools instead. However, when the British announced a program in 1835 to introduce English in schools, Muslim clerics opposed the move by claiming that education imparted in English was at variance with the tenets of Islam

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 02 Nov 2010 01:36

Brad Goodman wrote:Mr Eneven back at placating his core constituency

Pakistan should not be seen as a zero-sum game, says Stephen P Cohen

from above link

What will it take for the US to see a larger role for India in Afghanistan?

I think India made a mistake rejecting [Richard] Holbrooke’s role as a regional emissary. They were afraid he would raise Kashmir. That’s a legitimate Indian concern, but on the other hand, India has a natural role to play in Afghanistan other than simply telling the Americans ‘you go fight the Taliban’.

Uneven is a funny guy. What else can India tell the Americans when it is THEY who tell us to lay off because their munna will be offended about the one hundred and twenty seven embassies along the border? When pakis target Indians at the Kabul embassy, we were told by Holbrooke (I am sure it was him, pl correct me if I am wrong) that it was not so.

James B · Post by **James B** » 02 Nov 2010 02:10

Musharraf begged Nawaz Shariff to end kargil : Former DG ISI

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 02 Nov 2010 02:45

James B wrote:Musharraf begged Nawaz Shariff to end kargil : Former DG ISI

youtube UIl69yvU2to

^^^ ex DG ISI Ziauddin was chosen by Nawaz Sharif to replace Musharraf as TSPA chief when the coup was in motion. It shows that he enjoys the support of Pakjabi Sharif brothers. Even today he is connected with Pakjab state govt.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 02 Nov 2010 03:06

Gus, I am with uneven on this (only the excerpted part, I am not reading the rest of his tripe). If India had "accepted" Holbrooke's original brief, that would not have meant that we accepted him as viceroy or that we gave room to the Americans to meddle in Kashmir. Holbrooke would have to listen to us, on Afghanistan, as mush as we listened to him, again on Afghanistan. If he had tried to stray into J&K, we could always have told him to stick to his business, which is Afghanistan.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 02 Nov 2010 03:17

Interesting video! What he says is nothing new, Pak's Kargil misadventure had become a thorn in their flesh and they were looking at all avenues to remove the thorn,especially using the 'yankee tools' to save face.

What aroused my interest were his words about Bin Laden and his information to the CIA about a festival that Osama was attending.I remember watching a documentary after the Iraq invasion that actually mentions this incident. Apparently a CIA spec ops team had Laden in their crosshairs but did not get a go ahead from Langley.The reason being,the spec ops team spotted a plane and beamed its tail number to their HQ, it turned out to be the plane of a UAE prince and bombing the festival to kill Laden would have been a monumental wreck in America's relationship with middle-eastern monarchies.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Nov 2010 03:52

Coming to a paki city near you: Indian $EX Clubs.
To morally and ethically corrupt the pious ones. Ah! Its good to be back after three weeks. Some things never change in the pureland.

India opens s.e.x. clubs in Pakistan

Pakistan Culture and family values are under attack by Indians and in a new venture, an Indian lady has opened sex clubs in Pakistan.

the Indian Intelligence outfits have in a clandestine manner opened several s.e.x clubs in various cities of Pakistan to gather intelligence from VIPs and fulfill heinous anti-Pakistan agenda and bulldoze family values and Muslim culture.

According to UNS more than 10 clubs were open so far in all major cities of Pakistan

Ria Khatri is a front-Woman of Indian Intelligence RAW

They trap mostly top level executives from MNCs, industrialist, businessmen, senior and middle level executives, and doctors, engineers, lawyers, journalists, politicians and NGOs bosses, even lady members from the different walks of life and young girls from universities, colleges of noble families.

A close aid to Ria Khatri confirmed that they have hundreds of members in Pakistan and many influential are members of S.e.x Club.

Regarding membership fee she replies,” you have to pay only annual membership fees. There are not any other hidden or extra charges after this. Membership charges for singles one year membership fee Rs-25000 ,for couples One-year membership fee 35000 for giglio and year membership fee Rs 20,000.

our law enforcing agencies have turned a blind eye and did not take any action to close down such clubs.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 Nov 2010 04:06

google baba says ria khatri is a nigerian scam !
http://www.consumercomplaints.in/compla ... 71584.html
this paki must have got one of the emails and promptly turned it into a RAAA operation to destabilize the mentally unstable pakis ! who says pakistan has no creativity !

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 Nov 2010 04:33

Nandu wrote:Gus, I am with uneven on this (only the excerpted part, I am not reading the rest of his tripe). If India had "accepted" Holbrooke's original brief, that would not have meant that we accepted him as viceroy or that we gave room to the Americans to meddle in Kashmir. Holbrooke would have to listen to us, on Afghanistan, as mush as we listened to him, again on Afghanistan. If he had tried to stray into J&K, we could always have told him to stick to his business, which is Afghanistan.

It is not about engaging Halbrooke. US policy makers have two type of strategy against India and GOI. One is the use of media and public pressure to create force to change GOI policies. This was used effectively for Kashmir from 1993 - 2003 for example. Halbrooke with a BIG media behind him can create halla bulla.
The other is the pinning Indian policies in the af Pak region completely so that it cannot back away. India needs policy options since there is no permanent state of status in that region. Any special rep is mainly to narrow the options

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 02 Nov 2010 05:29

Negotiations between IMF and Pakistan

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Nov 2010 05:43

http://www.businessrecorder.com/news/to ... today.html

Trust deficit

perturbs government: talks with IMF today
( Humanity need Poak-Deficit to establish peace)

ISLAMABAD (November 01, 2010) : After fiscal deficit, its trust deficit is worrying the government economic team in going to initiate policy level talks with visiting International Monetary Fund (IMF) mission here in Islamabad from Monday.An official of the Finance Ministry said: "The IMF delegation has completed technical level discussions with the government official during the last week to review the economic condition of Pakistan and the steps taken by it to overcome economic difficulties, and from Monday the two sides are initiating dialogue to find some common ground to keep things moving in the right direction and convince the board of the Fund to release another $3.4 billion of $11.3 billion approved for Pakistan in 2008 under its standby arrangement".
Even those representing Pakistan for talks with IMF mission are not clear about what they should say to the visiting IMF team on the controversial issues such as 'reformed general sales tax' (RGST), revenue collection, rising fiscal deficit and, most importantly, non-compliance of conditions made by the Fund for imposing flood tax for rehabilitation of affected families and reconstruction in damaged parts of the country.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 02 Nov 2010 05:47

another conspiracy against bakis

Salman Butt and Mohammad Amir accuse ICC of 'conspiracy against Pakistan'

“They listened to us but it felt as if their decision had already been made from before,” Butt said. “It was not based on a single piece of evidence. After a 12-hour hearing the only so-called evidence they had was the same News Of The World article and the same video everyone has seen.”

“It [the PCB distancing itself] wasn’t expected,” Butt said. “Nobody from the PCB has even called us so I don’t know what is going on there. But I think now is the time for even the government to get involved as well as the PCB because it isn’t just about three players. This is Pakistan being cornered.”

Amir, the youngest of the accused, added: “Before leaving for Dubai we felt the case will be in our favour, but when he [Beloff] gave the decision it looked as if he had written the decision before. We went for the truth but this could be a conspiracy against Pakistan, to tarnish Pakistan’s reputation.”

looks like conspiracy theories and tarnishing reputation of poak lands is part of baki cirriculum

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 02 Nov 2010 06:03

Nandu wrote:Gus, I am with uneven on this (only the excerpted part, I am not reading the rest of his tripe). If India had "accepted" Holbrooke's original brief, that would not have meant that we accepted him as viceroy or that we gave room to the Americans to meddle in Kashmir. Holbrooke would have to listen to us, on Afghanistan, as mush as we listened to him, again on Afghanistan. If he had tried to stray into J&K, we could always have told him to stick to his business, which is Afghanistan.

I think the rationale was: "We'll deal with Hilary or anyone of cabinet rank. Not with with someone who's second tier, has a bad rep (Bosnia) and we do't want to be hyphenated again with Pakistan."

In that sense, the policy is/was right. We got to talk to his supervisors and hear them out.

Strategic issues should be handled by bosses not peons.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 02 Nov 2010 06:08

Cosmo_R wrote:
I think the rationale was: "We'll deal with Hilary or anyone of cabinet rank. Not with with someone who's second tier, has a bad rep (Bosnia) and we do't want to be hyphenated again with Pakistan."

In that sense, the policy is/was right. We got to talk to his supervisors and hear them out.

Strategic issues should be handled by bosses not peons.

I suspect we are getting away from the raisin dieter of this thread. Feel free to suggest another.

In any case, I don't understand your argument. There is nothing saying Holbrooke would have to talk to MMS or SMK. We could always find someone of equivalent rank to be his interlocutor.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Nov 2010 06:47

Brad Goodman wrote:Cheena bound paki railways wants to increase fares
Pakistan Railways to increase fares
LAHORE/ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Railways has asked the federal government to provide the subsidy on the fares or to allow the department as it could raise traveling charges.

Sources in the Pakistan Railways informed that the department has to pay Rs 50 million to Pakistan State Oil and with the increase in petroleum products, the debt burden would be huge.

The Pakistan Railways asked the government to announce subsidy or it will announce raise traveling fares. SAMAA

So without maintainence how soon can we see the rail lines disintegrating? That is one more additional subsidy that 3.5 masters need to cough up to keep their lap dog afloat

Stuppid kuffar you!
Don't you dare mock Pakistan Railways. One train carries 10X more

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 02 Nov 2010 07:34

Has the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba split as well?

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 02 Nov 2010 07:38

English and Urdu are committing genocide on Pakistani languages:

Most disappearing languages are victims of linguistic genocide. According to a 2001 census, only 7.57 percent of the population of Pakistan considers Urdu their mother tongue. Research has shown that educating children mainly through the medium of a dominant foreign or second language (English or Urdu) instead of indigenous languages fosters mono-lingualism in dominant languages, not high levels of multilingualism.

This is the practice primarily responsible for most of the linguistic genocide in schools in Pakistan. Potohari or Seraiki (or any other regional language) speaking children should have the right to have their education mainly through the medium of their own languages. A country in which less than one percent speak and comprehend English, the court room proceedings (at least in the superior courts) are conducted in English with a liberal use of Latin phrases by gentlemen (for the most part) dressed in black suits (even during the summers) and antiquated gowns.

The Khyber Pakhtunkhwa cabinet has formed a committee on linguistic reforms in the educational system. As per the recommendations of that committee, Pashto will be included as a compulsory subject in 17 districts, from Class I to XII, while in the remaining seven districts they would include the mother tongue as a compulsory subject in the curriculum. Pashto and other mother tongues including Hindko, Seraiki and Khowar will be included as a compulsory subject from classes VII-XII.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Nov 2010 08:05

When Kashmiris, Nagas, Maoists and others sought justice
Jawed Naqvi
http://public.dawn.com/2010/11/01/when- ... stice.html
( The drawing out of dung beetle exercise was successful, all the fuddu traitors coming out )

As with Pakistan and later with Bangladesh, there was, and perhaps still is, nothing imminent about Kashmir’s Azadi from India. But everything has been mishandled for years (and is being made worse on a daily basis) by New Delhi. And that has paved the way for people to believe that Azadi is the only option which gives them justice and dignity. In the early days of Kashmir’s alienation from New Delhi, Nehru had asked leftist film scribe Khwaja Ahmed Abbas to intervene on his behalf with Sheikh Abdullah. Nehru died before there could be progress. Now Manmohan Singh has assembled a group of interlocutors. One of them has already come up with the most original non-starter – suggesting the Indian constitution be changed to accommodate the Kashmiris’ sentiments. Now you don’t need a constitutional change to withdraw troops from Kashmir, or to free its political prisoners, or to hold serious talks with Pakistan, or to punish the rapists and torturers who are claiming to be the defenders of the Indian state, or to hold a referendum to ascertain the people’s will in Kashmir.ou need an administrative order and a will to carry out the mandate of democracy.That’s all.

( Baba Sahib Ambedkar was right anout not keeping BDY Poaks in India , How about having refrendum among Sons of Soil deciding if folks with loyalty to oustisders should be allowed to live in india or sent packing to Poarkland)

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 02 Nov 2010 08:35

Brad Goodman wrote:pretty nice article posting here to give pak lurkers some food for thought

Why have Pakistan and India Evolved so Differently?

An outstanding article ... brings together a lot of material in a very effective and coherent way. IMHO, it deserves to go in the first post of every TSP thread.

About the author:

Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy is a U.S.-based nuclear physicist and author of the recent book Defeating Political Islam: The New Cold War. His email: [email protected]

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 Nov 2010 08:40

For those who want TSP to implode, Jawed Naqvi is doing them a favor, by perpetuating Pakistani misconceptions and delusions.

sum · Post by **sum** » 02 Nov 2010 09:57

Air India wants to shut offices in Pak, but gets no visas, keeps paying Rs 32 lakh yearly rent

Trying to cut costs by shutting its overseas offices, Air India (AI) is facing a unique problem in Pakistan. Islamabad has refused to grant visas to AI staff who want to go over to wind up operations.

AI has offices in Karachi and Lahore, but no direct flights to Pakistan. “We want to shut down our offices in these two cities as we do not operate from there anymore. Already all the staff have been called back,” AI CMD Arvind Jadhav told The Indian Express.

The airline pays about Rs 32 lakh per annum as rent for the two offices.

Earlier, it was decided that Jadhav would visit Pakistan to shut down the offices. But he was denied a visa. He then delegated the task to some senior executives, who too failed to get visas.

“We have been trying to get visas for the last six months, but all to no avail,” said Jadhav.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 02 Nov 2010 10:20

Write a letter to the landlord and send it registered post. What is the big deal?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 02 Nov 2010 10:22

^ Or increase the rent of Paki Embassy by 320 lakhs ( 1 Paki = 10 Indian).

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 02 Nov 2010 10:26

Pay the rent to the Taliban. They will "close" the Karachi office for sure.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 02 Nov 2010 10:31

32 lakh per annum seems cheap for 2 airline offices in Karachi.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 02 Nov 2010 10:39

vera_k wrote:Pay the rent to the Taliban. They will "close" the Karachi office for sure.

.. and the landlords too, if there be a need.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 02 Nov 2010 10:55

jamwal wrote:32 lakh per annum seems cheap for 2 airline offices in Karachi.

It depends on the size of the office.

Of all the obstructionist steps takine by the TSP. This one is the latest in a long series of steps which just goes to show the pathalogical hatered against the Indian state. They will do any thing to cause a loss to Indian state.

Still we have WKKs who are intent on ignoring all the $hit comming from the TSP.

Disgusting

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 02 Nov 2010 11:36

in those train photos, one fellow seems to pee on the tracks

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 02 Nov 2010 11:49

Doing an == with the TSP in terms of the railway phatoo.
Reminded me of scenes from my village when a train used to arrive. It would be similarly loaded with people.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Nov 2010 11:59

I think AI should just stop paying rent after informing the landlord. get landlord to value whatever furniture is there and deduct that from last month rent.

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 02 Nov 2010 12:03

Pranav wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:pretty nice article posting here to give pak lurkers some food for thought

Why have Pakistan and India Evolved so Differently?

An outstanding article ... brings together a lot of material in a very effective and coherent way. IMHO, it deserves to go in the first post of every TSP thread.

About the author:
Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy is a U.S.-based nuclear physicist and author of the recent book Defeating Political Islam: The New Cold War. His email: [email protected]

Let me point out to many folks who may not know more about this author, he was banned from BRF for suggesting genocide of IM.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 02 Nov 2010 14:27

vera_k wrote:Pay the rent to the Taliban. They will "close" the Karachi office for sure.

or pay the americans... they can take care of this just as well...

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 02 Nov 2010 14:29

Singha wrote:I think AI should just stop paying rent after informing the landlord. get landlord to value whatever furniture is there and deduct that from last month rent.

Air India doesn't want to lose the deposit money, is it?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 02 Nov 2010 14:41

Sumeet wrote:
Pranav wrote: Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy is a U.S.-based nuclear physicist and author of the recent book Defeating Political Islam: The New Cold War. His email: [email protected]
Let me point out to many folks who may not know more about this author, he was banned from BRF for suggesting genocide of IM.

I cannot comment on the allegation ... Anyway, one should judge the article on its own merits.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 Nov 2010 15:01

Pranav wrote: For allegedly suggesting genocide, perhaps. He seems to be too sophisticated for anything that crude and misguided.

Oh, the man has become much more polished. He also used to think that he was eminently qualified to be India's dictator.
I think this old article of his has been toned down a bit from what I remember the original to be.

http://moorthy-muthuswamy.sulekha.com/b ... ocracy.htm

What should be the attributes of the CEO, the new leader?

Attributes of a leader

This person should be a proven problem solver, decisive, television friendly, with an economic plan, and above all, a visionary who has a plan and can articulate one, to defeat Islamic fundamentalism comprehensively. Mao couldn't bring progress to China, but Deng could, probably thanks to working in France in his younger days. Hence, Someone with an extended and accomplished stay in a country like America must have developed proven problem-solving skills, and is desirable. This writer is an example that having grown up in India and having lived in America for some time, one could still be a visionary when it comes to South Asian Islamic fundamentalism. I am not totally discounting the homegrown politicians either. Some new generation politicians such as Arun Shourie or Narendra Modi certainly have shown leadership skills and insights needed to wage the new war with vigor.

and

If Saudi Arabia has the right to impose a proven, fascist, intolerant, genocide, and non-performing version of Islamic ideology on Indian Muslims, India has even more rights to conduct a humanitarian liberation of Indian Muslims toward an ideology of Muslim ancestors, proven to believe in coexistence and progress: Hinduism.

Extremists gain power by controlling mosques and madarasas. This observation also tells us how to neutralize them, and thus make an organized effort by them to resist very difficult. The flock, used to indoctrination, can then be reverse-indoctrinated to Hinduism. Majority community controlling the machinery and about 95% of the economy can be of help in facilitating the liberation process. Anything less than the liberation is a half-measure, resulting in eventual doom of India and its non-Muslim residents.

I have concluded, after looking at various scenarios, that the entire liberation process could be competed within about a year's time.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 02 Nov 2010 15:17

A_Gupta wrote:
Oh, the man has become much more polished. He also used to think that he was eminently qualified to be India's dictator.
I think this old article of his has been toned down a bit from what I remember the original to be.

http://moorthy-muthuswamy.sulekha.com/b ... ocracy.htm

What should be the attributes of the CEO, the new leader?

Attributes of a leader

This person should be a proven problem solver, decisive, television friendly, with an economic plan, and above all, a visionary who has a plan and can articulate one, to defeat Islamic fundamentalism comprehensively. Mao couldn't bring progress to China, but Deng could, probably thanks to working in France in his younger days. Hence, Someone with an extended and accomplished stay in a country like America must have developed proven problem-solving skills, and is desirable. This writer is an example that having grown up in India and having lived in America for some time, one could still be a visionary when it comes to South Asian Islamic fundamentalism. I am not totally discounting the homegrown politicians either. Some new generation politicians such as Arun Shourie or Narendra Modi certainly have shown leadership skills and insights needed to wage the new war with vigor.
and
If Saudi Arabia has the right to impose a proven, fascist, intolerant, genocide, and non-performing version of Islamic ideology on Indian Muslims, India has even more rights to conduct a humanitarian liberation of Indian Muslims toward an ideology of Muslim ancestors, proven to believe in coexistence and progress: Hinduism.

Extremists gain power by controlling mosques and madarasas. This observation also tells us how to neutralize them, and thus make an organized effort by them to resist very difficult. The flock, used to indoctrination, can then be reverse-indoctrinated to Hinduism. Majority community controlling the machinery and about 95% of the economy can be of help in facilitating the liberation process. Anything less than the liberation is a half-measure, resulting in eventual doom of India and its non-Muslim residents.

I have concluded, after looking at various scenarios, that the entire liberation process could be competed within about a year's time.

Well, nothing particularly blood-thirsty in that. But anyway, judge the previously cited article on its own merits.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Nov 2010 15:19

Sumeet wrote: Let me point out to many folks who may not know more about this author, he was banned from BRF for suggesting genocide of IM.

The reason for banning him still exists in the forum archives. Link and text below
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 19#p518919

Not just genocide. Sedition and an Indian Armed Forces coup to topple the government. On BR that is a bit much.