Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Nov 2010 15:41

IMF is forcing Pakistan to increase electricity tariff by 17%

. . . the government has given an assurance to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that it would increase the power tariff by 2.2 percent each month to achieve its target by end of June 2011

This is coming on top of a 9% increase in prices of petroleum products.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Nov 2010 15:46

Has the LeT split ?

The NATO and ISAF command in Afghanistan has recently witnessed a new kind of enemy, which, according to a NATO commander, “is not the Taliban or the Haqqani group”, Daily Times confirmed. Officials confirm the presence of a new, more modern and sophisticated Punjabi Taliban in Kunar province of Afghanistan. They are a more militant section of the Pakistan-backed Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT) who had broken off from their mother organisation and refused to take orders from LeT supremo, Hafiz Saeed.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Nov 2010 16:17

^^^ has the LeT split? perhaps into the ex-faujis who want to do jehad against india and taqiya with others and the ex-faujis who want to do jehad against all kaffirs

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 02 Nov 2010 17:01

SSridhar wrote:Has the LeT split ?
The NATO and ISAF command in Afghanistan has recently witnessed a new kind of enemy, which, according to a NATO commander, “is not the Taliban or the Haqqani group”, Daily Times confirmed. Officials confirm the presence of a new, more modern and sophisticated Punjabi Taliban in Kunar province of Afghanistan. They are a more militant section of the Pakistan-backed Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT) who had broken off from their mother organisation and refused to take orders from LeT supremo, Hafiz Saeed.

Still more shit coming out of Pakistan. Now they are trying to build a case of "plausible deniability for LeT" where LeT can attack NATO with impunity in Afghanistan, just as it did to India in Mumbai 26/11, but the Professor is not made a target of NATO, nor should NATO and India join forces to take down the LeT in Pakistan.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 02 Nov 2010 17:09

Sumeet wrote:Let me point out to many folks who may not know more about this author, he was banned from BRF for suggesting genocide of IM.

Unless you show us the post on the basis of which he was banned, so we can determine for ourselves, this amounts to character assassination...The article that was shared by Brad is an outstanding article. Nothing that AGupta has put up indicates anything of what you are implying.

Can someone google Murthy and go through the pile of articles he seems to have authored and lay out the objectionable parts?

My point is simply that the shared article was of very high quality, and if you want to make a fairly drastic claim that he has terrorist inclinations or whatever- it needs to be backed up, else it amounts to character assasination.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 Nov 2010 18:12

Is increased itel sharing on LeT on Ombaba's India visit agenda? Looks like a signal to someone in foggy bottom to back off.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Nov 2010 19:01

This video of Gen Ziauddin (ex-ISI) coming in now, dissing musharraf means that Kiyani is not prepared to share power with Musharraf.

Musharraf used to get drunk every evening with his chamcha brigadiers and generals, and then go on Pee TV and hold extended press conferences.

This also means that should Musharraf persist in trying to come back to Pakistan he will likely meet a Benazir welcome.

Kiyani wants to be the undisputed leader, for the next 3 years.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Nov 2010 19:51

Nandu wrote:Gus, I am with uneven on this (only the excerpted part, I am not reading the rest of his tripe). If India had "accepted" Holbrooke's original brief, that would not have meant that we accepted him as viceroy or that we gave room to the Americans to meddle in Kashmir. Holbrooke would have to listen to us, on Afghanistan, as mush as we listened to him, again on Afghanistan. If he had tried to stray into J&K, we could always have told him to stick to his business, which is Afghanistan.

Nandu while you are entititled to your opinions, the GOI stance is the correct one. In negotiations one should not allow even an inch of extraneous factors to come to play.

By accepting Holebroke who was US designated Af-Pak negotiatior India would have defacto acknowledged its part of the problem. And that will start the slippery slope. Cant close the door after that and not be accsued of further perfidy. Land is stolen and accused of perfidy.

Besides Holebroke has never showed any evenness towards India in all his life except in his hippy phase.

PS: Have you ever done any serious negotiations even for a book or something which is yours but in others possession?

Here its our land.

abhushan · Post by **abhushan** » 02 Nov 2010 19:55

Lestat wrote: I have to admit that I have this deep repulsion of Hindus whenever I look at them. But I am trying to get over that.

Care to share where you got this enlightenment ?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Nov 2010 19:56

Pratyush wrote:Doing an == with the TSP in terms of the railway phatoo.
Reminded me of scenes from my village when a train used to arrive. It would be similarly loaded with people.

Shabash! Was this really needed in this thread?
You claim to be a jingo and yet the first rule of not pissing into your own pool is violated!

Great going.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 02 Nov 2010 20:14

this thread is getting derailed. this thread has been centered on facts and analysis/discussion/collation of facts pertaining to tsp. lets keep it that way. prejudices and peeves of a random internet pakistani is not the subject of this thread.

lestat, put your thoughts together and do a comprehensive writeup and start a new thread and see if you can proctor a discussion. this thread is not for your or anybody else's resume pushing.

thanks. admins please let this thread not derail.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 02 Nov 2010 20:46

Popcorn and cola ready!

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 02 Nov 2010 20:51

Do anyone else see the connection? O is visiting desh in few days & BR getting visitors from across the border.

Daal mei kuch kala hei....

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 02 Nov 2010 21:12

DELETED.
this thread is for discussing pakistan and not the views
of one alleged pakistani. use the off topic thread for that kind of thing.
Rahul.

Vashishtha · Post by **Vashishtha** » 02 Nov 2010 21:14

Neela>>Popcorn and cola ready!

ROFLOL.
Please dont ban this guy. We might just get some new insights into the piskology of an NRP.

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 02 Nov 2010 21:36

^^ I think he should be banned by just looking at his first introduction post. This is a serious forum.

Ashley Kravitz · Post by **Ashley Kravitz** » 02 Nov 2010 21:37

No place for Ahmedi body in a Muslim graveyard
http://tribune.com.pk/story/71177/no-pl ... graveyard/

BHALWAL: Interred body of an Ahmedi was exhumed here on Sunday from a Muslim graveyard after some local clerics led protest against the burial and the Sargodha tehsil police forced the dead man’s heirs to remove it from the graveyard.

He said that the police told him that some local clerics in Sargodha had objected to the burial and in the interest of law and order, asked him to remove the body of his younger brother.

He said that the family, some relatives and the police then exhumed the body from the graveyard on Sunday.

“I don’t think that the police were forced to do this. The way I see it, the police forced us.”

Saleemul Din, an Ahmedi community spokesman condemned the police action. He said, “To this day, 30 Ahmedis’ bodies have been exhumed for similar reasons. The police do have no right to humiliate the dead from our community like this. Yet, they have been doing it since 1984.”

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 02 Nov 2010 22:04

Anujan wrote:Rehman Malik released a statement saying that corruption will be rooted out of every Pakistan government department in 1 week.

All Corruption Cases will be rooted out of every Pakistan government department in 1 week.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 02 Nov 2010 22:57

Men wearing gold not allowed in Islam say most Pakistanis

Almost 82 per cent of Pakistanis are of the opinion that wearing gold and 79 per cent believe that wearing silk clothes are not allowed to men in Islam.

Another 28 per cent also assume that men are not permitted to use mehndi (henna) in Islam, said the findings of a survey conducted by Gilani Research Foundation-Gallup Pakistan.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Nov 2010 23:04

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20101102/w ... 9202857600
Pakistan Seeks Alliance with China as the U.S. Gets Tough

Abbas, a former Pakistan government adviser, says Beijing's interests in the region are now expanding at a rapid clip - "the Chinese ambassador in Islamabad is a very active person," he notes. China has enlisted Pakistani cooperation in quashing potential Muslim insurgencies in its far-western province of Xinjiang, bordering Pakistan and Afghanistan. Apart from its nuclear-energy investments, China is also constructing dams, building infrastructure and exploring for precious metals. It has also developed the strategic deep-water port at Gwadar on the Arabian Sea in Pakistani Baluchistan - although hopes to have that serve as a primary conduit to Central Asian trade have been clouded by the security situation, which has seen Gwadar possibly eclipsed in that role by an Indian-backed port in Iran. "China is a neighbor and a friend," Qureshi told TIME. "China has the technology today and China has the money to invest."
The Pakistanis don't seem to mind that many of these projects have been carried out with the use of Chinese labor and, in some cases, with little direct benefit to the local economy. Unlike the U.S., says Abbas, China is viewed positively by much of the Pakistani public, whose voluble media tends to blame the country's travails on American, Israeli or Indian meddling. While Pakistanis are often quick to side with the cause of Muslim separatists around the world - whether in nearby Kashmir or Chechnya or Palestine - little attention is paid to the plight of Muslim Uighurs in neighboring Xinjiang. "You will not find any discussion about this in the Pakistani discourse," says Abbas. (Comment on this story.)
Yet, says C. Christine Fair, an expert on South Asian political and military affairs at Georgetown University, much of the apparent strength of Sino-Pakistani ties is illusory. "China does what is in its strategic interests and uses Pakistan no more and no less than [other big donors] Saudi Arabia and the U.S.," she says. There's little effort from Beijing to help boost Pakistan's flagging civilian government or stabilize the country's democracy. According to Fair, Beijing's support of Islamabad is meant, in part, to tie up China's longer-term regional rival, India. "What China really wants is to encourage security competition to basically counter India's rise," she says.
Pakistan is, nonetheless, a useful chess piece for China as it steadily makes inroads into South and Central Asia - from laying pipelines through a host of former Soviet republics to tapping Afghanistan's sprawling copper fields. Qureshi welcomes expanded Chinese engagement: "They have an interest in a stable and peaceful [region], and why not? We want them to play a role."

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Nov 2010 01:53

Folks, already two pages wasted. Please stick to topic.

Thanks,

ramana

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 03 Nov 2010 02:01

that's enough fun and games people.
start a 'musings of a paki' thread and entertain lestat there.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 03 Nov 2010 02:07

deleted.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 03 Nov 2010 02:11

deleted.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 03 Nov 2010 02:29

PLEASE, not in this thread. as I said start a new thread on understanding pakistan's psyche or something.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Nov 2010 02:43

Moved Lestat related psots to
All,
Formation and Evolutionof Pakistan thread..

Please continue there.

Thanks,

ramana

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Nov 2010 05:47

shravan wrote:Men wearing gold not allowed in Islam say most Pakistanis

Almost 82 per cent of Pakistanis are of the opinion that wearing gold and 79 per cent believe that wearing silk clothes are not allowed to men in Islam.

Another 28 per cent also assume that men are not permitted to use mehndi (henna) in Islam, said the findings of a survey conducted by Gilani Research Foundation-Gallup Pakistan.

WHAAAT !!!
Hafiz Sayeed still uses mehendi on his beard.

Does this mean he is to be declared non-islamic? Now he is wajib-ul-cattle hain ji?

Err, he could always send one of his under-trainee Ajmal Kasab type terrorists to go buy a pack of Kala-kola from the neighbouring paan dukaan.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Nov 2010 05:54

Obama visit: Why Pak must be worried

Though security fears must have been the predominant reason for Obama not venturing into the 'Land of the pure', he could easily done a Clinton - who stopped over in Islamabad for all of "five-and-a-half hours", after almost five days in India, but which did count as a 'visit'. In the present case, even that tokenism has been dispensed with.

All in all, a less than promising scenario for Pakistan. Given the historic nature of the trip and the huge stakes for both India and the US, Pakistan will have to hope for something much more than the separatists in the Valley upping the ante, to derail the Obama visit.

I dont care the outcome of the visit as long as it causes takleef to H&D of pakis

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Nov 2010 06:01

The ISI is actively weaning away politicians from Musharraf's soon to be launched party, to scuttle it even before it is launched.

Kursheed Mahmood Kasuri and other senior netas were ordered back home before mushy's planned announcement meet in Manchester three weeks ago.

The ISI-wallahs aren't kidding. If mushy thinks he can bluff his way out of this one, he will get to meet the toyota sunroof lever, period.

Kiyani wants full power for the next 3 years. nothing will stand in his way, and as a retired mohajir, mushy doesn't stand a chance, with the full backing of the pakjabi establishment, ISI, and Jihadi tanzeems behind Kiyani.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 03 Nov 2010 06:25

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11675405

Police in Pakistan have forced a family of the Ahmadi sect to exhume the body of a relative because it was buried in a Muslim graveyard.
Ahmadis consider themselves Muslims but a 1984 law barred them from identifying themselves as followers of the faith.
The law also put restrictions on their religious practices.

What should Ahmadis do to become pure arabs as other pakistanis?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Nov 2010 06:27

Arjun wrote: Unless you show us the post on the basis of which he was banned, so we can determine for ourselves, this amounts to character assassination...The article that was shared by Brad is an outstanding article. Nothing that AGupta has put up indicates anything of what you are implying.

As I pointed out, he has post-edited his 2003 article. Most of the sulekha.com comments excoriating him are also gone.

Ashoka · Post by **Ashoka** » 03 Nov 2010 06:34

And just when I was starting to get some good night's sleep after everything was going well in the land of pure, this depressing news came in.

Pak's loans be written off: Senate

http://geo.tv/11-2-2010/73748.htm

"Our parliamentary delegation visited Geneva and more than 122 countries acknowledged our stance which is our success", he said.

So how bad is it? Does the IPU have any sort of power to actually write off loans? And 122 countries agreed?

Hell I am starting to lose sleep again

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 03 Nov 2010 06:55

Don't write off Mushy. He is the new pawn and bet in US hands, perhaps UK had a few good words also to put on his behalf to the patrons across the pond. If Pakjabi elite, PA commanders and ISI want the funds to fuel their whiskey and Jihadi ambitions - they need to keep USA happy enough to lend them the money - and this is the greatest lever that Mushy has.

Mushy is the new and perfect candidate for CIA type ops. He fits the classic CIA bill for foisting a dictator on a country that USA needs to control. A military command background, proof of willingness to play along and collaborate in black-ops, having a fanatical religious affiliation one way or the other in one of the three branches of so-called monotheism, proof of complete lack of any humanitarian weaknesses while dealing with opposition, and "dark episodes" in political and personal lives with some degree of lack of affection from large sections of subject populations. The last unpopularity factor helps the candidate to keep a bit shaky and therefore dependent on masters across the pond.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Nov 2010 07:11

Gagan wrote:Hafiz Sayeed still uses mehendi on his beard.

Mehandi provides camouflage for whites (with blonde hair) to mingle among the top echelons. That way he is providing cover for many to move inside the org. This implies LeT is heavily invested and involved by personnel from US and further implies US is directly involved in Mumbai. This is not about passing clues and making hints...I think US is involved in Mumbai massacre from start to finish/end-2-end. All IMO.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 03 Nov 2010 09:34

Ramana,

Ponit noted. Will keep in mind.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Nov 2010 09:40

Ashoka wrote:So how bad is it? Does the IPU have any sort of power to actually write off loans? And 122 countries agreed?
Hell I am starting to lose sleep again

No, IPU is merely a meeting body for nations' parliaments.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 Nov 2010 09:43

http://public.dawn.com/2010/11/03/[b]pa ... istan.html[/b]

ISLAMABAD: The federal government has issued a ‘high terror alert’ on all international airports in the country, specifically on out-bound ‘air cargos’ on way to foreign destinations, Dawn has learnt from a senior officer.The alert came against the backdrop of the United States terror alert, following the discovery of two packages containing bombs that were in transit to the US from Yemen.
“The only thing we can do is be more cautious and security on all the airports across Pakistan has already been tight due to prevailing law and order situation,” said an official associated with aviation industry.Pakistan has seen a surge in terror attacks since it has joined the war against terror and faces guerrilla-style attacks from terrorists, thus forcing the security officials to stay on a round-the-clock vigil.With several security agencies, including the federal Airport Security Force, actively looking after the internal and external security at international airports the chances of such ‘cargo breaches’ are slim, according to a federal aviation official.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 03 Nov 2010 10:43

brihaspati wrote:Don't write off Mushy. He is the new pawn and bet in US hands, perhaps UK had a few good words also to put on his behalf to the patrons across the pond. If Pakjabi elite, PA commanders and ISI want the funds to fuel their whiskey and Jihadi ambitions - they need to keep USA happy enough to lend them the money - and this is the greatest lever that Mushy has.

Sirji,
I do not think Gen. Mush can come back. His batch mates have retired a long time ago. He stayed on, making hundreds of millions of $$, siphoned off from US aid. So, he has no support left in the army. Now it is the turn of the next generation of officers to make money before retirement. Other than his Delhi muhajir background, he was a run of the mill Pak Jernail. They are a dime a dozen. There are others who will do the same job.
Gautam

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 03 Nov 2010 11:10

Arjun wrote:
Sumeet wrote:Let me point out to many folks who may not know more about this author, he was banned from BRF for suggesting genocide of IM.
Unless you show us the post on the basis of which he was banned, so we can determine for ourselves, this amounts to character assassination...The article that was shared by Brad is an outstanding article. Nothing that AGupta has put up indicates anything of what you are implying.

Can someone google Murthy and go through the pile of articles he seems to have authored and lay out the objectionable parts?

My point is simply that the shared article was of very high quality, and if you want to make a fairly drastic claim that he has terrorist inclinations or whatever- it needs to be backed up, else it amounts to character assasination.

Check Shiv's post. It was made a couple of post above yours on page 15th. http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... &start=561
All that I am suggesting is be careful and its good to keep in mind background of an author while reading his work. If he has become more mature, its welcome sign.

In case you don't want to scroll or click on the link, check below:

shiv wrote:
Sumeet wrote: Let me point out to many folks who may not know more about this author, he was banned from BRF for suggesting genocide of IM.
The reason for banning him still exists in the forum archives. Link and text below
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 19#p518919
Not just genocide. Sedition and an Indian Armed Forces coup to topple the government. On BR that is a bit much.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Nov 2010 11:23

Well, BB was also 'imposed' on the pakis by the US and UK.
The army wallahs first were very reluctant to accept her to do disco dance on their heads. Then massa twisted his fingers that were in the pak fauj's musharraf, and the faujis grudgingly accepted that she be allowed to return on the condition that she 'behave'. The ISI wallahs were deputed to outline the do's and the don'ts.
But BB was overconfident that with massa's chhatra-chaya, and with the reception she was getting from the common abdul and ayeshas in pakistan, she was safe, and was crossing the limit as far as the faujis were concerned.
The faujis kept on asking her to 'behave', when she refused, they arranged her meeting with the sunroof lever.

Mushy is also doing the disco dance, shuttling from KSA to Texas to DC to london to garner support. He is surely promising everything between the sky and the earth. (He will have to promise OBL's head and Pakistan's crown jewels to massa, which for the right price he will - and then try and renege on all promises made).

But the problem with mushy as I see it is:
1. He is a mohajir, and is now retired. So no Pakjabi establishment support, and no fauji support. Kiyani has both.
2. He is unpopular in Pakistan amongst the common abdul - something that tends to happen to all fallen leaders in la la land. And to add to that, the Jihadis would love to IED mubarak him for lal masjid.
3. He is no mass support leader, unlike Badmaash or BB was. No mainstream party is going to support him. No mullahs, PPP or PML-Nawaz group. The others won't win him an election unless the fauj rigs it - and the fauj won't rig for mushy anymore.
4. Kiyani wants unfettered power for the next 3 years (and then perhaps a little more). Everytime a dictator overstays in Pakistan, the careers of his juniors gets delayed, specially the COAS aspirants. Kiyani has to make up for the 'financial' and H&D losses to his career because of mushy overstaying.

Bottom line, if the faujis and Kiyani don't want mushy, then a way will be found to ensure that there will be no mushy coming in. If mushy decides to persist, they will expose him to make him look like the fool that he was (process already underway with more revelations to follow - alcohol, mistresses, corruption etc). And after mushy has been completely discredited, he will meet his 72.

The only chance mushy has of coming in is if:
1. Massa expressly forbids his assassination, and tells kiyani specifically not to murder mushy. (Just like massa seems to have expressly forbidden Zardari's assassination). But then mushy will have to live like a chooha in presiden'ts house and not squeak much, just like Zardari these days - something which mushy is not wont to do because of him being a loud mouthed bluffer.
2. Mushy promises things that Kiyani is not delivering on. (Or the mushy being brought in is a threat to kiyani to do what massa wants done in N wazirstan with the Haqqanis or else...)

I suspect that Mushy is intelligent enough to know this. All this disco dancing he is doing is to see if massa will bite the bait. But meanwhile, he gets to be in the news, and that publicity can't be bad for him on the lecture circuit.