Formation and Evolution of Pakistan : The Real Story

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 Nov 2010 23:29

Theo_Fidel wrote:
Lestat wrote:I have to admit that I have this deep repulsion of Hindus whenever I look at them. But I am trying to get over that.
This is some thing I've noted before in the Indus treaty thread.

We tend to think that they hate us and this is strictly not true. The education/cultural system of TSP actually propagates revulsion for Hindu and by extension Indian existence. This is a process for dehumanizing an entire people. This allows all manner of conflict and outrages to be carried out. It is is very hard for one human being to harm another in normal circumstances. Normally this process of dehumanizing is carried out in times of conflict.

The education system was put in place in the 1970s to create this deep repulsion and then create this radical Islamic movement to stabilise Pakistan. It has taken its own form that this has created a worldwide problem.
More details in links such as this
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index ... -pakistan/

This is the flip side of Huxleys 'Brave New World'. Where religion is dedicated to carnal pleasure (even if in the after life) rather than the search for a transcendent truth. Where all individuality is stripped away. And people are conditioned to believe the same untruths. One of the defining characteristics of such a society is the propagation of rumors and the lack of resistance to such.

Sadly this also means that compromise is impossible. Historically One or the other must prevail. Pakistan might be a dream for some people but it has been set on a path of destruction.

Western intellectuals are deep inside this experiment of transforming the Pak population to some kind of social new Islamic group.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Nov 2010 23:33

From Islamist point of view =Pakistan, the answer is yes to both questions by Acharya.
Killing Kaffirs is little matter to Islamists, it is an act of religious upliftment . The unpardonable, supreme sin is shirk and not wanton killing . Banda Bahadur's baby son was torn apart in pieces with knife in his lap and child's heart was cut off to be thursted in father's mouth. Poak spiritual heritage belong to this high category and expecting anything less is insulting thier Jihad, bravery and civilizational views.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 02 Nov 2010 23:36

Pakistan is a NATION OF THE WILL. AN IDEA. A DREAM. Not an ethnicity.

A NATION OF WILL? Who are you kidding? If it was a nation of WILL Pakistan could have risen on its knees on its own and not lick the boots of anybody who promises to provide arms and ammo to its Army. The ONLY will ever has been is to defeat India and hoist pakistani flag on Red Fort. Tell me one success of Pakistan as a independent nation state since inception without outside help.

IDEA? An IDEA can change your life! Pakistan's fate was fixed the day the "idea" of a separate nation from India was born. It is a criminal joke by imperialists to divide and rule their erstwhile colony and weaken it. It was a DREAM not of JINNAH but of cunning Englishmen. They just implanted the idea and let Jinnah's ego and self-importance play the act.

DREAM,Well I cant argue there! Its a wet dream alright.

Lestat · Post by **Lestat** » 02 Nov 2010 23:46

BijuShet wrote:
Lestat wrote:What's up Indians?

I am a Pak-Canadian living in Toronto. ...
My ethic background is Pakstun-Urdu speaking if you want to know. I am 28 years old and I am an Electrical Engineer by profession in a UK-Canada engineering corporate firm.
...
Do you have any questions ???
Can you elaborate on your ethnicity? I have read about pashtun tribes but never heard of a Pakstun-Urdu ethnicity. Is it geographical or religious or some other factor deciding your particular ethincity?

I would also like to know what you see as major differences between an Indian identity and a Pakistani Identity? i.e. what makes us different as a people in your opinion?

My father is an ethnic Pakstun from a village near Attock who married an Urdu-speaking Mohajir from Karachi. My mom's background is from Rajistan, India from the city of Jaipur. Her family (grandparents) left everything behind accept with their lives to come to Pakistan due to Partition. It was a very necessary evil in my opinion, if you are building a nation for one religious ethnicity. Intermarriage between different Pak ethnicities in the country is very high in the elite educated classes. Most of the killings that happened in Karachi are between lower educated classes due to economic competiveness and political influence. It is an ON and OFF thing, the scum forget their differences every Friday prayers. Nothing serious like Bangladesh the way you guys keep hollering. Bangladesh was logical problem. Crimes were also committed due to Patriotism.

We are just WAY too different, so we must have different Countries. Man whenever I hang out with my Indian buddies, I notice White people treat us differently. I personally feel more accepted in their society. Maybe it is because of my appearance or my body structure. I don’t know. I just feel different from them. Plus, having a somewhat similar language doesn’t mean SQUAT. In America, White people and black people have the same language but still they are different. They have the same religion as well but they are different. Americans are different from Canadians and Australians. Germans are different from Swiss and Austrians. France is different from Belgium. They are all different in their customs and mannerism. So please accept my differences and don’t try to absorb my heritage.

In my opinion, Pak Army keeps denying responsibility for 26/11 because they know that the West doesn’t care for Indian causalities. Middle class Westerners are more worried about losing their white-collars jobs to Indians flying in the next day. As long as it doesn't affect them kinda attitude.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 02 Nov 2010 23:57

level of acceptance

Lestat · Post by **Lestat** » 03 Nov 2010 00:01

ajit_tr wrote:level of acceptance

Should I watch "Slumdog Millionaire" the thousandth time? What you have replied is a political characterization in a newpaper cartoon. A media portrayal....I am talking about social interfacing such as parties, clubs, bars, and gatherings. Unless, I am wearing a PAKI badge dot on my forehead or a rag warped around my head unlike some people.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 03 Nov 2010 00:03

Lestat wrote:

We are just WAY too different, so we must have different Countries. Man whenever I hang out with my Indian buddies, I notice White people treat us differently. I personally feel more accepted in their society.

Do you understand the concept of client state and rentier state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client_state

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 03 Nov 2010 00:04

Lestat wrote:Man whenever I hang out with my Indian buddies, I notice White people treat us differently. I personally feel more accepted in their society. Maybe it is because of my appearance or my body structure. I don’t know. I just feel different from them.

Your Indian buddies may not really feel comfortable amongst Gays, the way you do!

This guy is presenting himself as a zoo animal here, as a namoona. Not only as an exhibitionist, but rather a complete exhibition.

Guys, please don't ask him about the GUBO sessions. We may have to read more details, than we want to know!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 Nov 2010 00:15

Lestat wrote:What's up Indians?....I have a bunch of relatives in the Pak Armed Forces.... I am 28 years old...So far I am not too impressed by your knowledge about Pakistan..... I have tons of Muslims friends who are Indians....I have this deep repulsion of Hindus... a typical Slumdog mob mentality that is fed to me by the Pak media. So prove me WRONG...Do you have any questions ???

Lestat,

You have trolled onto a forum where clearly you intend to raise its members' hackles and watch 'em respond to your racist and bigoted post so that you can go back to the paki Deaf & Dumb fora and gloat about it. We know. Lots of young impressionable paki-Canadians and Paki-Brits on that pinnacle of free thought with not much to do after school.

Now, if you are 28, that makes me old enough to be your dad, not that I want to be one, especially after your self-proclaimed admission of deep repulsion of "Hindus". Because you addressed your post to "Indians", it picqued my interest to know more about you and your background. In case you are interested, I am an Indian-American with "tons pakistani acquaintances" who all happen to be muslims (as compared to your mis-statement "tons of Muslims friends who are Indians"). By the way, I was setting up my first business when you were just a gleam in your parent's eyes. So please take my advice with some seriousness.

Your use of the term "slumdog" is in poor taste just as my use of the term "paki whores and beggars" would be in your eyes. If you want to be a meaningful poster on this fora, please give up your past prejudices (I know its hard, with your armed forces background and all) and see the ensuing dialog in a whole different light.

Lastly, its quite common for newly converted people to view their forefathers' origins in disgust and "repulsion". Especially, if that change took place against their wishes. We understand that phenomena that engulfs the next few generations. Its called "being more loyal than the king". Hopefully, through dialog on this fora, you are able to change your view points. If not, its your loss.

Welcome to BRF.

Lestat · Post by **Lestat** » 03 Nov 2010 00:16

anupmisra wrote:
Lestat wrote:What's up Indians?....I have a bunch of relatives in the Pak Armed Forces.... I am 28 years old...So far I am not too impressed by your knowledge about Pakistan..... I have tons of Muslims friends who are Indians....I have this deep repulsion of Hindus... a typical Slumdog mob mentality that is fed to me by the Pak media. So prove me WRONG...Do you have any questions ???
Lestat,

You have trolled onto a forum where clearly you intend to raise its members' hackles and watch 'em respond to your racist and bigoted post so that you can go back to the paki Deaf & Dumb fora and gloat about it. We know. Lots of young impressionable paki-Canadians and Paki-Brits on that pinnacle of free thought with not much to do after school.

Now, if you are 28, that makes me old enough to be your dad, not that I want to be one, especially after your self-proclaimed admission of deep repulsion of "Hindus". Because you addressed your post to "Indians", it picqued my interest to know more about you and your background. In case you are interested, I am an Indian-American with "tons pakistani acquaintances" who all happen to be muslims (as compared to your mis-statement "tons of Muslims friends who are Indians"). By the way, I was setting up my first business when you were just a gleam in your parent's eyes. So please take my advice with some seriousness.

Your use of the term "slumdog" is in poor taste just as my use of the term "paki whores and beggars" would be in your eyes. If you want to be a meaningful poster on this fora, please give up your past prejudices (I know its hard, with your armed forces background and all) and see the ensuing dialog in a whole different light.

Lastly, its quite common for newly converted people to view their forefathers' origins in disgust and "repulsion". Especially, if that change took place against their wishes. We understand that phenomena that engulfs the next few generations. Its called "being more loyal than the king". Hopefully, through dialog on this fora, you are able to change your view points. If not, its your loss.

Welcome to BRF.

Sorry, I will control myself.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 Nov 2010 00:23

Kanadin veeza stamping on Poaks do have the power to change the body structure and its natural it shows up in physical appearance , specially in walking and talking.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 03 Nov 2010 00:43

yay! Finally a good holiday season! We have a taller than mountain birather character-actor and a virile mujahid dude junior-actor (who in his own words is feverishly courted by other white dudes

). Kabuki theater at its best

As Maulana Mallayyan's KingPhisher Fatwa says "Let the good times roll"

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 03 Nov 2010 00:54

Lestat wrote:What's up Indians?

Man whenever I hang out with my Indian buddies, I notice White people treat us differently. I personally feel more accepted in their society. Maybe it is because of my appearance or my body structure. I don’t know.

Of-course you are treated differently. Because you are among Indians, the native has been fooled into believing that you are not a towelheaded sandni**er that should be turned into the FBI/CIA/Kanadian-intelligence- -whatever-it's-called after all. Why not hang out with a bunch of Pakis and see how you are treated?

Lestat · Post by **Lestat** » 03 Nov 2010 00:55

hnair wrote:yay! Finally a good holiday season! We have a taller than mountain birather character-actor and a virile mujahid dude junior-actor (who in his own words is feverishly courted by other white dudes ). Kabuki theater at its best

As Maulana Mallayyan's KingPhisher Fatwa says "Let the good times roll"

I have to admit Kingfisher is DAMN good beer. lol.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Nov 2010 01:00

Most of us have been in North America long enough to know how pakis are treated here. Hell how many resturants have you seen advertising themselves as Paki resturant or paki cusuine. All pakis here hide themselves as Indians that is the difference for me. We never hide our identity as pakis or chinese or arab we are proud of our religion, country and civilization. This paki looks to be a new Faisal Sehzaad in making. I mean RCMP and FBI needs to keep tabs on him. I mean he says his Pakhtoon father married his mohajir mom for national integration so that rest of pakis get national identity

I mean are we running a standup comedy show on the forum.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 Nov 2010 01:01

My father is an ethnic Pakstun from a village near Attock who married an Urdu-speaking Mohajir from Karachi.

The Koranic injunction to beat your wife must come in handy.

Sorry I will also control myself.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 03 Nov 2010 01:01

Lestat

Welcome to BRF. I am tired of being the only one who stands up for Pakistan and Pakistaniyat on this forum. I hand over the baton to you before I ride into the sunset. These Hindus are incorrigible, let then stew in their own caste system juices LOL

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 Nov 2010 01:06

All pakis here hide themselves as Indians that is the difference for me.

Not true I once saw a Pakistani tentatively claim he was from Central Asia when asked by a chita. What is wrong with Paaakistaaan, fakhar se kaho Paaakistaaan.

But then I understand girls don't dance with guys in the club who might be eye-slamic. Got to hand it to them-they never claim to be Hindu/Sikh. Where is the icon for admiration?

Lestat · Post by **Lestat** » 03 Nov 2010 01:11

Brad Goodman wrote:Most of us have been in North America long enough to know how pakis are treated here. Hell how many resturants have you seen advertising themselves as Paki resturant or paki cusuine. All pakis here hide themselves as Indians that is the difference for me. We never hide our identity as pakis or chinese or arab we are proud of our religion, country and civilization. This paki looks to be a new Faisal Sehzaad in making. I mean RCMP and FBI needs to keep tabs on him. I mean he says his Pakhtoon father married his mohajir mom for national integration so that rest of pakis get national identity I mean are we running a standup comedy show on the forum.

Faisal Sehzaad was an embrassment. Like all terrorists who give Islam a bad name. Again, that guy was partier who chased girls before he found his ultimate calling. Such as sudden change is hard to believe.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 03 Nov 2010 01:15

Lestat wrote: My father is an ethnic Pakstun from a village near Attock who married an Urdu-speaking Mohajir from Karachi. My mom's background is from Rajistan, India from the city of Jaipur. Her family (grandparents) left everything behind accept with their lives to come to Pakistan due to Partition. It was a very necessary evil in my opinion, if you are building a nation for one religious ethnicity. Intermarriage between different Pak ethnicities in the country is very high in the elite educated classes. Most of the killings that happened in Karachi are between lower educated classes due to economic competiveness and political influence. It is an ON and OFF thing, the scum forget their differences every Friday prayers. Nothing serious like Bangladesh the way you guys keep hollering. Bangladesh was logical problem. Crimes were also committed due to Patriotism.

We are just WAY too different, so we must have different Countries. Man whenever I hang out with my Indian buddies, I notice White people treat us differently. I personally feel more accepted in their society. Maybe it is because of my appearance or my body structure. I don’t know. I just feel different from them. Plus, having a somewhat similar language doesn’t mean SQUAT. In America, White people and black people have the same language but still they are different. They have the same religion as well but they are different. Americans are different from Canadians and Australians. Germans are different from Swiss and Austrians. France is different from Belgium. They are all different in their customs and mannerism. So please accept my differences and don’t try to absorb my heritage.

In my opinion, Pak Army keeps denying responsibility for 26/11 because they know that the West doesn’t care for Indian causalities. Middle class Westerners are more worried about losing their white-collars jobs to Indians flying in the next day. As long as it doesn't affect them kinda attitude.

Thank you Lestat for the elaboration on your background but I am still confused as to what you mean when you say your father is an ethnic Pakstun? What or Who are the Pakstun people? for example Is it a tribal affiliation like an Afridi or a religious affiliation like a Hazara or is this same as Pashtun or Pakthun?

You keep repeating we are different people but do not offer any elaboration on our differences. You mention appearance and body structure but one look across Pakistan shows me people that have vast differences in appearance and body structure. A look across America and Canada will show the same difference and that alone cannot be basis for formation of a state. You have highlighted the differences between White people and Black people and yet they are both citizens of the same country be it America or Canada. There is no Black America or White America and today being election day in the US all citizens will vote in the same election choosing from the same pool of candidates so where are these differences that you keep seeing. Folks may think differently but that is common in any group of people so what is new there? People of Sindh, Baluchistan and Punjab do not think alike but that does not make any one of them less Pakistani or for that matter Quebec and other provinces of Canada have similar lingusitic difference but they are one country. If you can please put your thoughts into a longer essay/article/post as to why you think we are different. It will help us all understand each other better.

One last request from me is for you to elaborate on what you meant when you wrote "Bangladesh was logical problem".

I am engaging with you (hopefully you take this to be a civil discussion) because you were honest about your personal bias about Indians and your background. It is a unique opportunity for many here to read how our neighbors (from our generation) think and their reasons behind such thought process. I hope you may get over some of your biases while you stay here and recognize some of the faults in Pakistan state policy and eventually use your contacts with the armed forces to effect some changes for a better outcome for all of us.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 Nov 2010 01:15

You are out of your element lad, this is proving to be painful to watch.

Aside:Pakistanis are welcome here, only it helps to have some wits.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Nov 2010 01:37

Lestat wrote:Faisal Sehzaad was an embrassment. Like all terrorists who give Islam a bad name. Again, that guy was partier who chased girls before he found his ultimate calling. Such as sudden change is hard to believe.

And why would you say that? I mean he was a born again islamist who had pretty much the same background that you mention as yours. Pakistani born and schooled then did his undergraduate and masters in US was working for a finanical client. Married two children had a house and acquired citizenship (courtesy his citizen wife). Ofcourse after staying 15 years in US he realized that he needed to blow up the girls and guys he had dated or hanged out with. I guess he also must have been mighty proud of his ability to act as a magnet to attract goras like you professed a while ago. So What makes him an exception and not a norm?

Lestat · Post by **Lestat** » 03 Nov 2010 01:42

BijuShet wrote:
Lestat wrote: My father is an ethnic Pakstun from a village near Attock who married an Urdu-speaking Mohajir from Karachi. My mom's background is from Rajistan, India from the city of Jaipur. Her family (grandparents) left everything behind accept with their lives to come to Pakistan due to Partition. It was a very necessary evil in my opinion, if you are building a nation for one religious ethnicity. Intermarriage between different Pak ethnicities in the country is very high in the elite educated classes. Most of the killings that happened in Karachi are between lower educated classes due to economic competiveness and political influence. It is an ON and OFF thing, the scum forget their differences every Friday prayers. Nothing serious like Bangladesh the way you guys keep hollering. Bangladesh was logical problem. Crimes were also committed due to Patriotism.

We are just WAY too different, so we must have different Countries. Man whenever I hang out with my Indian buddies, I notice White people treat us differently. I personally feel more accepted in their society. Maybe it is because of my appearance or my body structure. I don’t know. I just feel different from them. Plus, having a somewhat similar language doesn’t mean SQUAT. In America, White people and black people have the same language but still they are different. They have the same religion as well but they are different. Americans are different from Canadians and Australians. Germans are different from Swiss and Austrians. France is different from Belgium. They are all different in their customs and mannerism. So please accept my differences and don’t try to absorb my heritage.

In my opinion, Pak Army keeps denying responsibility for 26/11 because they know that the West doesn’t care for Indian causalities. Middle class Westerners are more worried about losing their white-collars jobs to Indians flying in the next day. As long as it doesn't affect them kinda attitude.
Thank you Lestat for the elaboration on your background but I am still confused as to what you mean when you say your father is an ethnic Pakstun? What or Who are the Pakstun people? for example Is it a tribal affiliation like an Afridi or a religious affiliation like a Hazara or is this same as Pashtun or Pakthun?

You keep repeating we are different people but do not offer any elaboration on our differences. You mention appearance and body structure but one look across Pakistan shows me people that have vast differences in appearance and body structure. A look across America and Canada will show the same difference and that alone cannot be basis for formation of a state. You have highlighted the differences between White people and Black people and yet they are both citizens of the same country be it America or Canada. There is no Black America or White America and today being election day in the US all citizens will vote in the same election choosing from the same pool of candidates so where are these differences that you keep seeing. Folks may think differently but that is common in any group of people so what is new there? People of Sindh, Baluchistan and Punjab do not think alike but that does not make any one of them less Pakistani or for that matter Quebec and other provinces of Canada have similar lingusitic difference but they are one country. If you can please put your thoughts into a longer essay/article/post as to why you think we are different. It will help us all understand each other better.

One last request from me is for you to elaborate on what you meant when you wrote "Bangladesh was logical problem".

I am engaging with you (hopefully you take this to be a civil discussion) because you were honest about your personal bias about Indians and your background. It is a unique opportunity for many here to read how our neighbors (from our generation) think and their reasons behind such thought process. I hope you may get over some of your biases while you stay here and recognize some of the faults in Pakistan state policy and eventually use your contacts with the armed forces to effect some changes for a better outcome for all of us.

Ethnic Pakstuns can read, write & speak Pashu and not pretend like all the Khans of Bollywood. My actual tribe is Durrani. What tribe does Salman Khan belong too? These differences that you are mentioning is only used and encouraged my feudal politicians to get themselves voted in office. Upper classes don't care about that crap. PM Gilani's son is married to Pir Paraga's daugther. Gilani is an Seraiki born in Karachi while, Pir Paraga is an ethnic Sindhi. I can give numerous examples. Top families of Pakistan are heavily involved in civilian and army positions. Infighting between them is a regular thing and nothing serious. Punjabi Sharif family has huge relations involved in the army. It is about individual embetterment that causes these problems.

Bangladesh was seperate from us by 1801.80 kilometres and you think everything will run smoothly. You guys supporting and training Mukti Bahini didn't help either lol.

I got nothing against India but I want them to accept us for who we are and to solve the Kashmir problem once & for all.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 Nov 2010 01:46

You don't get it, most Indians would rather die than be called Pakistani. Just as their ancestors often preferred death to conversion.

I make it a point to stress that I am not Pakistani-some have called me Irani, Greek or Turkish-I have no problem with that but NEVER call me Pakistani.

We do certainly accept you for what you are.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 03 Nov 2010 01:49

Lestat wrote:I got nothing against India but I want them to accept us for who we are and to solve the Kashmir problem once & for all.

You know, we do accept you for what you are, a terrorist training cesspool of the world. No sane Indian wants pakistan to merge with India. If you have learnt that in your school or your media, please give that up. Who wants to get saddled with 150million fundoos which will drag down our growth even further??

Just accept the LoC as border and be happy with it. It is pakistan which is training terrorists to take Kashmir. if it gives up its wet dreams of defeating India and taking back Kashmir, there will be true peace in the Indian subcontinent.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 03 Nov 2010 01:50

True!

My second Begum's third cousin is a Seraiki, he is married to Sharif's second cousin twice removed. Half of my family votes for PPP and the other half for Sharif and the rest vote for independent Fauji candidates. We are different people and different nation, these Hindus will never understand that. Dont waste your time in this thread, visit Benis where people are more cultured, nuanced and have a deep understanding of Pakistan.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 Nov 2010 01:52

My second Begum's third cousin is a Seraiki, he is married to Sharif's second cousin twice removed.

Hey Mahendru that makes us the same person. Ajuba hai Pakistan ka.

Lestat · Post by **Lestat** » 03 Nov 2010 01:55

putnanja wrote:
Lestat wrote:I got nothing against India but I want them to accept us for who we are and to solve the Kashmir problem once & for all.
You know, we do accept you for what you are, a terrorist training cesspool of the world. No sane Indian wants pakistan to merge with India. If you have learnt that in your school or your media, please give that up. Who wants to get saddled with 150million fundoos which will drag down our growth even further??

Just accept the LoC as border and be happy with it. It is pakistan which is training terrorists to take Kashmir. if it gives up its wet dreams of defeating India and taking back Kashmir, there will be true peace in the Indian subcontinent.

Typical Indian, cares more about money & growth rate than individuality & personal character. Kashmir has to be settled to the will of the Kashmiri people and not Indians or Pakis. Even Abdullah said that Kashmir is NOT AN INTERGAL PART OF INDIA. Just an agreement.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 03 Nov 2010 01:56

Pakistanis are former hindus forcibly converted to Islam by a handful of invaders. Why don't these people convert back to their original religion? There is no gun pointed to their head now!

Lestat · Post by **Lestat** » 03 Nov 2010 01:59

Vivek K wrote:Pakistanis are former hindus forcibly converted to Islam by a handful of invaders. Why don't these people convert back to their original religion? There is no gun pointed to their head now!

Honestly, I rather be a Morman than a Hindu.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 03 Nov 2010 02:13

http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/files/16 ... ashmir.pdf

Lestat, i admire your honesty in admitting your dislike of Hindu's. and importantly your acknowledgement it was due to the Pakistani establishment education. Further i admire your saying you will attempt to get over that dislike. Also you made no bones of the fact that possibly ISI was involved in 26-11.

IMHO these do show honesty and hence my welcome. And there is a good possibility once you get over this initial reception, you can contribute more positively. As for the J & K issue, i would advise you to go through the above link. It's not all black and white as again the Pakistani educational system and propaganda is making you think.

As for frame and build, this is again a product of the Paki system TFTA > SDRE, so i get a better receptio from Whites show servility. Find out why this forum wears SDRE as a badge of honor. And there are many 6-5 types here i am sure.

So lets talk about hte J & K issue on the appropriate thread. Thread integrity is pretty much observed here as admins have told. Lets please maintain that. Thanks.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 03 Nov 2010 02:23

Lestat wrote:
Vivek K wrote:Pakistanis are former hindus forcibly converted to Islam by a handful of invaders. Why don't these people convert back to their original religion? There is no gun pointed to their head now!
Honestly, I rather be a Morman than a Hindu.

Rahul , I think this is key to understanding the Paki psyche. SO please indulge.

Lestat, never mind the 140 million Indian muslims ( FYI, that is us mooning at you) . What is so disgusting about being a Hindu?

saket · Post by **saket** » 03 Nov 2010 02:29

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RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 03 Nov 2010 03:07

Lestat is a broken record. He hasn't said anything that BRFites don't know about Pakistani psyche.

"I'm TFTA. I hate Hindus. Leave Kashmir"

I'd like to see Bart Simpson writing this on the blackboard, dressed as a Pakistani, the light in the room changing from sunlight to moonlight to darkness to sunlight ....

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 03 Nov 2010 03:12

Welcome to BRF, Lestat. The Middle Kingdom appreciates the help and support of Pakistan in the region, through out the years. China has a keen interest in stability in Pakistan and will continue to support the Pakistani government in establishing stability within your country. Unlike some Indian posters, I am confident of the survival of Pakistan as a political/state entity.

Quick question. When was the last time you went back to your mother country?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 03 Nov 2010 03:17

Rajesh Ahmediya

I think Lestat is a RAA agent, claims to be a Pashtun/Mohajir etc and a proud Canned-Paki but is yet to use the B-word. OTOH he might well be Ali G's re incarnation.

Sadler · Post by **Sadler** » 03 Nov 2010 03:18

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RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 03 Nov 2010 03:24

Tony,
Go easy on him. His butt may still be hurting from the heavy-fisted American treatment, or was Canadian Vija Treatment.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 03 Nov 2010 03:25

TonyMontana Ji

I know the question wasn't directed at me but let me answer for Lestat because he seems to have finished his shift at work and will be back only tomorrow( because he can't access the internet at home.)

There is a saying in the diplomatic circles in South Block " Jo Chenab mein Gawndoo, woh Canada mein bhi Gawndoo" i.e " He who is at home in a foreign country makes the entire world his country"
I don't think it matters how long he has been away from his mother country, his views will not change regardless of location.

TonyMontana · Post by **TonyMontana** » 03 Nov 2010 03:30

RajeshA wrote: Tony,
Go easy on him. His butt may still be hurting from the heavy-fisted American treatment.

I'll buy you a beer for that one.

However, speaking as a man that has gay friends since highschool, I did notice a repulsion by Indians towards homosexuals. In China, gays are more ignored then anything else. If we see two gay men walking down the street, yes there are gays in China, we look the other way feeling embarassed for ourselves. (Weird I know).

Remember what Russel Peters said: "Dad, there's a population crisis back home. India could use a couple of homos". I kid, I kid.