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India-U.S. to build strong, strategic defence ties: report
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“It is expected that the United States and India will continue to develop a strong bilateral defence relationship, albeit one that looks less like an alliance than a partnership based on shared goals. U.S. and Indian armed forces will operate together more frequently, and U.S. equipment will be purchased in larger quantities by India, in part reflecting the new strategic realities of Asia and a strengthened U.S.-Indian relationship,” NBR said in its report on India.
“Similarly, agreements to provide advanced U.S. military equipment also require agreement to US rules and practices on the use of such equipment that test Indian proprieties and will complicate India’s ties with other suppliers of military equipment, including Russian and European companies,” the NBR said.
“Certainly, however, bilateral cooperation on the internal challenges the Indian Armed Forces face-structural reform, domestic counterinsurgency, personnel acquisition and management reform, among others-provides opportunities that might mitigate some of the other challenges as well as help to build longer-term collaborations that will be in both countries’ interests,” it said. NBR said India faces a complex strategic environment of both extant and emerging challenges in the region as well as at home.
Obstacles to closer ties remain, and in developing a productive relationship, these difficulties must be managed in order to fulfill the promise of the relationship, it noted. Observing that in the developing Indian-U.S. strategic relationship, defense relations are a major component, it said much of this aspect of the relationship centers around increased Indian willingness to buy and integrate U.S. defence systems, a calculation which is affected by both a set of assumptions at the top-level about new political realities and an Indian system that is ill-structured to absorb massive amounts of U.S.-produced systems.

“While arms sales are important, neither side is well-served by a transactional relationship that measures progress toward a strategic relationship by the volume of arms sales,” the NBR said.
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Jaswant Singh writes in the GuardianUQ on Obama's visit. Didn't any mainstream desi papers give him space or what?

President Obama's passage to India
The US and India are natural allies, but realism must shape this summit against a backdrop of American overreach in the region
Some years ago, I was queried by then US Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott, who was helping to prepare President Bill Clinton's visit. As India's foreign minister at the time, I told him: "Why make the visit destinational? Be content with the directional," or some such words. That response retains its flavour today: as new directions in India-US relations are set, new destinations will follow.

All state visits are overloaded with lofty, superfluous rhetoric. US-India summits are particularly prone to this hubris: the Great Republic meets the world's Largest Democracy. It would be better for both countries to shed some of these marigold garlands of cloying adjectives.

Another feature of such summits – the trading of lists of "must do" and "can do" items – also should be retired. It is both demeaning and tedious to treat an arriving US president as a stars-and-stripes Santa Claus, to be presented with lengthy wishlists. Likewise, despite America's pinched economic circumstances, Obama would do well not to use his visit to peddle US wares. Although trade is an effective lubricant of good relations, these sorts of talks are for the "sherpas", not President Obama and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, to handle.
Good read overall. I still wish some desi mainstream publication had given him space for this.

More titbits.
India must make clear – and the US must recognise – that a subcontinental country of a billion-plus people cannot be kept within the categorical confines of "South Asia". The US must accept and candidly discuss the damaging consequences of its military, diplomatic and political overreach – of a "war too far" that has brought the region to its current ugly impasse.
Clap clap clap clap.

But the Q remains however, if unkil doesn't mend his mend-acious ways, humj uska kya ukhaad lenge? Unless we display our willingness and ability to play spoiler or unreasonable bad guy occasionally, we're liable to be doormatted only.
Likewise, it would be unwise for the US gratuitously to offer China a role in the affairs of a region that includes India itself – something that Obama appeared to do during his visit to China earlier this year, when he mentioned China as having a role to play in Kashmir. The US should also stop questioning India's relationship with Iran, a neighbour with which India is linked by many centuries of economic, cultural and even civilisational ties.
And so on.
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The American Perspective..
A To-Do List for Obama in India
The Wall Street Journal - By RICHARD L. ARMITAGE AND R. NICHOLAS BURNS for (Mr. Armitage is president of Armitage International and former Deputy Secretary of State. Mr. Burns is professor of diplomacy and international politics at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University and former Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. Both serve on the Center for a New American Security's board of directors.)
The transformation of the United States' previously poor relationship with New Delhi over the past decades, led by Presidents Clinton and Bush, stands as one of the most significant triumphs of recent American foreign policy. It has also been a bipartisan success. Today, however, many prominent Indians and Americans fear this rapid expansion of ties has stalled. Past projects remain incomplete, few new ideas have been embraced by both sides, and the forward momentum that characterized recent cooperation—on issues ranging from civil nuclear cooperation, bilateral trade and investment, and expanded military ties—has slowed considerably.

President Obama has a chance to rejuvenate America's relationship this weekend when he travels to the world's largest democracy. He has already taken a few initial steps toward that goal. He hosted Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for the first state visit of his presidency in 2009. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has launched a new strategic dialogue with India and the Obama administration has signaled it intends to make India a priority in the years ahead on climate change, trade and a host of other issues. But in this summit, the Obama administration now has an opportunity to do much more.

Over the past eight months we have co-chaired a major study at the Center for a New American Security that brought together a nonpartisan group of experts to examine the future of America's partnership with India. Our deliberations were guided by the understanding that the emergence of India as a new major global power will have profound implications for the future trajectory of this century and for America's global interests. In this light, a strengthened U.S.-India strategic partnership is imperative, we believe, for America's own future leadership role
There is a clear opportunity to expand our military relationship, especially with the Indian Air Force and Navy, and to boost defense trade by convincing India to acquire sophisticated U.S. defense technology. The U.S. should also support Indian membership in key export control organizations, which would constitute a step toward integrating India further into global nonproliferation efforts. Finally, the administration and Congress should liberalize U.S. export controls that have an impact on India, including by removing the Indian Space Research Organization (the Indian equivalent to NASA) from the U.S. "Entity List."

The reason for a rejuvenated effort with India is clear: The U.S. has a vital interest in forging a closer strategic partnership with India, ranging from ensuring a stable Asian and global balance of power, strengthening the global trading system, protecting the global commons, countering terrorism, bolstering the international nonproliferation regime, and promoting democracy and human rights. In addition, a strong U.S.-India strategic partnership will prove indispensable to Asia's continued peace and prosperity.
Expanding U.S.-India military and political ties will make it easier for both Washington and New Delhi to have productive relations with Beijing. In addition, a strengthened relationship with India, a natural democratic partner, will help to signal that the U.S. remains committed to remaining the dominant military and political power in Asia in the century ahead.

To achieve these aims, the U.S. should not only seek a closer relationship with India, but actively assist its further emergence as a great power. A strong India working closely with the U.S. on pressing issues such as HIV/AIDS, human trafficking and poverty alleviation has the potential to transform the global landscape in the 21st century in a positive direction. Building this kind of relationship requires, however, a bold leap forward.
The irritants..
This will require India to make a number of commitments and policy changes itself, including taking rapid action to fully implement the Civil Nuclear Agreement, which was agreed by both countries in July 2007 but is not yet operational; raising its caps on foreign investment; reducing barriers to defense and other forms of trade; enhancing its rules for protecting patents and other intellectual property; further harmonizing its export control lists with those of multilateral regimes; and seeking closer cooperation with the U.S. and likeminded partners in international organizations, including the U.N.

Taking action along these lines would go a long way to strengthen the U.S.-India partnership and further India's increasingly vital role in helping the U.S. to address the major global challenges—climate change, terrorism, drug cartels and pandemics—that compose the heart of the 21st century international agenda. President Obama's upcoming visit provides a unique opportunity to make progress on all of these fronts and more. In so doing, the U.S. can demonstrate that it views India as a key American partner at a critical time in this young century. We should not let this opportunity slip by.
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Arjun wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Many liberals are anti-Israel which does not make them anti-Jew. I am no liberal or conservative, but I do not like the idea of Israel as a State, so does it make me anti-Jew too?
Your disapproval for Isreal seems to stem from a general principle of not wanting to have religion-based states, ergo Pakistan, Isreal...You shoud probably apply your same earlier principle and look at things on a dharmic case-by-case basis. Isreal was meant to protect Jews because they were subject to discrimination, not the majority anywhere else in the world, and this was their holy land. Morover Judaism is not a proseletyzing religion. None of these factors apply to Pakistan....Secondly, as you know Hinduism might be in the majority in India but it does not seem to be setting the agenda for its own survival. Hopefully there would not be a situation where the boot will be on the other foot and Hindus need to be running around for their own country to ensure survival.
Israel exists because of the fanaticism and faults of Europeans & Zionists. Pakistan exists because of the conniving European powers. In both cases it is not religion that comes to the forefront, it is the fact that existing angers and fears were fanned by the Imperial Europeans for their own causes. And in some cases to get rid of their guilt. Jews were as much persecuted in Europe as in the land from which they came - a.k.a Israel. Judaism has reformed itself, that is as much as I want to say about it now :-)

Ultimately be it Israel, Palestine, Pakistan ityadi the innocents are paying the price, with their lives, because of the vested big powers.
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Interview of non-proliferation Ayatollah Michael Krepon:
Do you think India is justified in feeling nervous about all the support Pakistan gets from the United States?

Given India's history with Pakistan, concerns are justified in India. I don't argue that, but I would ask the question: Would India be more concerned if the United States cut its ties with Pakistan?

So if you think that India's environment would be far worse if the United States cut its ties with Pakistan, far more detrimental to India, then ask yourself, how does the United States try to maintain good ties with Pakistan?

http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/ ... ucracy.htm
This is a frequent refrain from US govt types. The response is that one can remain engaged in Pak, but the goal must be to strengthen the entities that will be part of the solution. It doesn't make sense to feed the cancer, i.e. the Pak military.
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Stan_Savljevic wrote:Opening Up India’s Higher Ed Market – Another Action Item for Obama
http://chronicle.com/blogs/worldwise/op ... _medium=en
I remember how some of us BRFites cried in the education dhaaga when India relaxed its policies in allowing foreign universities.
A pluralistic freedom loving ebil yindoo India has no chance against "Corporatism". Let us now see BRFites who supported that move what they have to say now.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 14#p839014


I have an idea for a cartoon.
MMS is sitting on a chair. On his lap sits the kanya - India's map. Obama is the groom's father, poised along with his son - Corporations for the marriage. {MMS and others gloriously perform the Kanyadhaanam.}
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As I told you guys, don't take the dems Vs reps circus too seriously; but of course enjoy the entertainment value it provides. And certainly in the eyes of both dems Vs reps, its India TSP equal equal. Obama is now going to do what his handlers tell him to do: genfulect before his detractors, and having no clue, none whatsoever on what exactly reducing ovt role means, the assorted tea part clowns and other republican nit-wits will also enjoy the limelight in the spirit of "bipartisanship". Everything is so well choreographed.
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^^^
I repeat what I heard on radio. In the former USSR, the citizens knew their government was lying and brainwashing; in USA the citizens do not know that :-)
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Pranav wrote:Interview of non-proliferation Ayatollah Michael Krepon:
Do you think India is justified in feeling nervous about all the support Pakistan gets from the United States?

Given India's history with Pakistan, concerns are justified in India. I don't argue that, but I would ask the question: Would India be more concerned if the United States cut its ties with Pakistan?

So if you think that India's environment would be far worse if the United States cut its ties with Pakistan, far more detrimental to India, then ask yourself, how does the United States try to maintain good ties with Pakistan?

http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/ ... ucracy.htm
This is a frequent refrain from US govt types. The response is that one can remain engaged in Pak, but the goal must be to strengthen the entities that will be part of the solution. It doesn't make sense to feed the cancer, i.e. the Pak military.
Yes. If US cuts ties with TSP , then it removes the chances of later moral preaching from the US when India attacks TSP.

Its US support that keeps TSP afloat and the capacity to conduct terror attacks on India. It was a US citizen and an agent of US that provided the detailed recce of the 26/11 attack and US did its best to cover up the role of the termagent.
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Very interesting lowering of expectations as the visit nears.
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Swamy G>> you are absolutely right....
The same thing when I sated our ex resident Evangilickal Texas Toast Jones was jumping jack on the forum....

NPR reporter in 2002/2003 I forget her name she was em_beded with the Liberation forces, she clearly saw and reported that US tank fired knowing well that Journalists were in the Iraqi capital % star hotel, that was in retaliation for the reported fact that US spl ops guys were the ones pulling down Saddams statue not Locals....

The DOD has a special briefing what to print and what not to say on TV otherwise you are black listed... remeber Bush during campaign talking about NYT corresponden not knowin the mike was live....
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I have an idea for a cartoon.
MMS is sitting on a chair. On his lap sits the kanya - India's map. Obama is the groom's father, poised along with his son - Corporations for the marriage. {MMS and others gloriously perform the Kanyadhaanam.}
AAh thats a Tamilian Wedding and appropriate when "Ashta varesheth Bhaveth Kanya" was true not when a 30yr old Kanya sits on the lap of 67 years old dad... :rotfl: :rotfl:

All in lighter vein...
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NSV Column at his site

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Summit & after
Indo-US relations are taking a life of their own, with no help from the Indian and American political leaderships, argues N.V.Subramanian.

London, 3 November 2010: Barring the unseemly haste with which India has signed the Convention on Supplementary Compensation (CSC) with the IAEA, because it contradicts the new Indian law on nuclear liability, and could pose future problems, Delhi has acted with generic sobriety in regard to the upcoming Barack Obama state visit. There is no evidence of the breathless excitement, even though this writer is sitting thousands of miles away, that accompanied the visit of the previous US president, George W.Bush, even if largely in official circles. This is to the good, and it will shortly be explained why.

America is in decline. The decline very likely began, as some would like to argue, when the US lost a strategic rival in the Soviet Union. In terms of Soviet power relative to that of the US during the Cold War, China is still not there, although it is fast trying to catch up. It could be argued with some justification that George W.Bush speeded up the inevitable decline of the US, with one justified war in Afghanistan and a grossly unjustified conflict in Iraq, against a background of American economic ruin brought about by decades of profligate living. It has been Obama's unfortunate fate to inherit this disastrous legacy, and for personal reasons or otherwise, he has not been able to cope with the situation. The situation is by no means easy. But in politics, you cannot fail.

So, basically, it is an unsuccessful US president who is coming to India as opposed to George Bush who never confronted issues of American decline squarely and could, therefore, appear braver than he probably felt. Politics is a cruel game where success means all. The fact that Obama is losing traction with the American people, including with those who voted for him, has coloured perceptions about him before his visit to India and would dog him as well during his longish stay in the country.

This is despite the fact that he has a very understanding and compassionate opposite number in the person of Manmohan Singh. It is an open secret that the Indian prime minister got along brilliantly with George Bush. Part of the reason for their successful chemistry was that in their own way both were naive about issues of foreign and strategic affairs and it helped that Bush was a bold, big-picture president. Obama, on the other hand, although having perhaps tremendous intellectual compatibility with Manmohan Singh, who he looks upon as a sort of economic guru, nevertheless is a cautious plodder, his persevering but basically unattractive caution worsened by the speed, momentum and growing irreversibility of the American decline.

So with Obama short of big ideas to engage India, and obsessed with policy action to return America to growth, prosperity and greatness, and with Manmohan Singh being unable to produce deliverables of his own to propel Indo-US relations further, it is a given that the Diwali visit of the American president will be a tame affair. This writer was nearly the first to analyze so and no developments have intervened to change his mind. But the sobriety of the Indian response to the Obama visit so far does deserve closer scrutiny, because it may conceal a quiet but transformative change in the manner India deals with the big powers. At any rate, this is what this writer hopes this shows.

Call it a legacy of Jawaharlal Nehru's strategic autonomy thinking or the great power mindset incubated with wilful military action by Indira Gandhi, but India reflexively is independent in its dealings with the world. Besides Nehru and Indira Gandhi, and for that matter P.V.Narasimha Rao and A.B.Vajpayee, there are surely non-primeministerial causes and reasons for this autonomy or independence of strategic thought, located in India's culture, society, predominant religion, and so forth. But the fact of the matter remains that this independence (the very soul of Indian democracy, in another part of it) is too deeply ingrained to be altered by momentary changes in political leadership thinking.

For example, there cannot be a more pro-US prime minister in recent times than Manmohan Singh. (Although Vajpayee called the US a "natural ally" of India, he did not believe in his own phrase very much!) But the Indo-US nuclear deal he signed with George Bush was more pro-India than it was originally conceived to be, precisely because of the opposition put up by the BJP, the Left, the nuclear scientific community and strategic analysts, not excluding this writer. There was also resistance in the Indian bureaucracy to giving too much leeway to the Americans, again as a result of the deeply-thought philosophic notion of strategic autonomy/ independence. All of this combined with renewed vigour (besides the dramatically resurrected ghost of Bhopal) to make any concession to foreign nuclear suppliers, chiefly American ones, nearly impossible in the recently-approved nuclear-liability law.

Which is why this writer is sceptical about the rush to sign the CSC. It can only provide cosmetic satisfaction to the visiting president Obama, because when the details are worked out, it would be difficult to reconcile the CSC with the liability law. Manmohan Singh was never a powerful prime minister, but he had some space for strategic action (because of the need to divide the political/ administrative responsibilities with Sonia Gandhi) in his first term. In his second term, as events of the past few months have shown, he is even less capable of having his way than before, because of several confusing developments (which have been sought to be explained by this writer in earlier pieces), but the single-biggest change has been forced by the anticipated accession of Rahul Gandhi to the Indian throne, so to speak. In others words (and this has been said before by this writer), both Manmohan Singh and Barack Obama are proceeding to a summit as spent political leaders, and, therefore, not much should be expected.

But the current characteristics of the two countries they represent cannot be more different, and they trigger their own dynamics. A spent US president is leading a spent United States, or at least an America which is nearly there. On the other hand, there is a weak Indian prime minister leading a rising, resurgent India. So there are forces that are bound to be unleashed during the Manmohan Singh-Obama summit that reflect the differing and perhaps altered positions of the two countries, much as they have been demanding attention for weeks before the American president's arrival. For example, the bold stand of India on the David Coleman Headley scandal, the refusal to get Indo-US defence relations closer than they presently are, which prevent interoperability, joint deployment in the US's foreign wars, etc, the mounting pressure to remove some Indian strategic establishments from the entities' list, the growing clamour to enable India to be a permanent UN Security Council member, and so on. To be sure, successes on specific Indian demands from the US are still far and presently look unreachable. But they have taken on the tenor and sweep of national sovereign expectations, with a life of their own, which no Indian government can overlook or ignore. Surely, these expectations will channelize into national energies to propel India's rise faster, more assuredly, and with greater risks taken.

Indeed, the upcoming Barack Obama-Manmohan Singh meeting and subsequent India-US engagements will be less about a dialogue of respective leaderships and more about a jousting of the two countries. And with a US in decline and India rising, the play will be both unequal and interesting. The advice from this faraway writer is, go, grab the front seat. This is a new beginning for India if we have the sense to realize and appreciate it.
Hegel remarks in his book "Philosophy of History" in the Orient section that the people between the two rivers of Indus and Ganges have kept their history intact depite the numerous invasions and turmoils. Except the people between the Yangtse and Hwang Ho, all others have been buried or transformed in the ancient world: Egyptians, Mesopotamia, Persia etc.

Maybe this is what we are seeing. The inner strength to be reselient despite conquests.

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Press ‘gaggle' gives US game away

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The ‘gaggle' was apparently meant to brief the US media on the US President, Mr Barack Obama's India visit.


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Anyone who submerges himself in all the Niagara of words emanating from the US Administration officials and the think-tanks (again mostly peopled by former Administration officials!) on the visit of the US President, Mr Barack Obama, to India is bound to be left with the definitive conclusion that it is historic, in a class of its own, meant to lift the strategic partnership to stratospheric heights and reflective of the US regarding India as an ‘indispensable' ally in shaping the world's destiny. No hyperbole has been left wanting in describing its cosmic significance.

Most sections of the Indian commentariat too have been warming up to this build-up, raising enormous hopes of the relations between the two countries getting on to a soaring trajectory. The picture emerging is one of the US President taking all the trouble to come to pay his tribute to the pivotal role India is playing, and can play, on the world stage.

But what is it that the Americans are saying amongst themselves?

If you go through the transcript of the press “gaggle” that was held on October 27 in the James S. Brady Press Briefing Room of the White house ( LINK), you will be startled to know that the purpose of the visit is down-to-earth, earthy. In fact, it is confined to one single objective which is underplayed, if not unstated, in public.

(Incidentally, the word ‘gaggle', meaning, among other things, ‘a group, aggregation, or cluster lacking organisation, such as a gaggle of reporters and photographers' (according to the dictionary), is not mine but one used in the White House Web site to describe the occasion). :D

Basically economic

First, the setting. The ‘gaggle' was apparently to brief the US media on the President's India visit, bearing in mind the general ignorance about the country that used to prevail till recently, and perhaps still prevails among the hinterland media there. It was attended by the Press Secretary, Mr Robert Gibbs; the Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Mr William Burns; the Deputy National Security Adviser for International Economic Affairs, Mr Mike Froman; and the Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communication, Mr Ben Rhodes.

The sum and substance of what they repeatedly gave out as the main, if not sole, purpose of the visit is to promote exports “to ensure that there's a level playing field there, there's open markets (sic) there, and that our exports have an opportunity to penetrate that market and support jobs back here….the President will make clear the importance of removing barriers to US exports and US participation in their market”.

The officials were categorical that “the trip is basically economic in focus”. As Mr Froman put it, “….with 1.2 billion people and an economy growing — expected to grow at 8 per cent a year for the next several years, we really see India as a potentially very important market for US exports. Exports of American goods have already quadrupled over the last seven years to about $17 billion. And service exports have tripled to about $10 billion a year. So it's a fast-growing economic relationship. And it's a two-way street as well. Indian companies are the second-fastest-growing investors in the US (the first being United Arab Emirates). And they now support about 57,000 jobs here in the US. So it's a great market for US exports. It's a good place — source of investment for the US. There are a lot of jobs in the US tied to both of those things. And that's the reason why the President will be there …I would simply say that a key part of the message is going to be that we want to make sure there's opportunities for US jobs, US exports. And that's a big part of his mission there …”

Of course, the ‘gaggle' referred to issues such as nuclear deal, cooperation on counter-terrorism, climate management, defence matters and the like, but only in passing.

On India's long-desired permanent seat on the Security Council, Mr Burns told the ‘gaggle' “…the US recognises the significance of looking at ways to adapt international architecture, including the UN Security Council, to reflect the realities of the 21st century. We want to approach that challenge in a way that ensures the effectiveness — and hopefully strengthens the effectiveness — of the Security Council. Given India's rise and its significance, we believe that India will be a central part of any consideration of a reformed Security Council.”

Missile defence shield

This was so obfuscatory that the media person was prompted to ask whether there was a ‘downside' which he was seeking to hide. Mr Rhodes stepped in to make the response, if anything, more obfuscatory. See what you make of it. Here it is: “It's a very complicated issue that involves international architecture in many countries. But we'll continue to work — to talk this through as we move forward on the trip.”
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The ‘gaggle' threw up an intriguing revelation about the signing of an agreement between the US and India on missile defence when a questioner, more inquisitive than the rest, asked about it. It was made more intriguing by the evasive reply of Mr Burns who simply contented himself with saying: “…we have a pretty wide-ranging discussion with India about a whole range of issues, and … our defence relationship has expanded quite dramatically in recent years — but (I can say) nothing in particular on missile defence….”

Unlike in the case of nuclear deal, the Government has not taken the people into confidence about the implications of the deal between India and the US to jointly build a ballistic missile defence (BMD) shield, incorporating radar and anti-missile missiles, or interceptors, which are able to destroy incoming and possibly nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles possessed by Pakistan and China. Whether the arrangement entered into with the US subjects India's national security to the command, control and operational jurisdiction of a foreign power is a question to which the people are entitled to an answer. :eek:

I think the writer is former Chief Secy, member JIC, and knows his stuff.

BTW, gaggle of geese is a common expression like pride of lions or bevy of beauties.
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Re NSV column about how US decline started with fall of Soviet Union. This is very perceptive. US had pumped up its sinews of powers (economy, military, and space) to compete with the Commanding Heights economy of the FSU. However after the FSU fell it did not de-pump slowly or soft landing and this is what led to the crash of 2008.

In 1992 there were a series of seminars in DC where US scholars and historians debated the issue of loss of FSU and it effect on USA. Since US models itself on republican Rome the analogy of Rome and Carhtage was brought up by one professor who worried that just one hundred years after Carthage was destroyed, Rome too was transformed and the Roman way of life vanished: Imperialism and later Christianity took over. He didnt get much listening as Clinton baba was in full form of implementing New World order envisaged by GW Bush I thru NAFTA and globalization.
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India not to make 'hasty decisions' on outcome of Obama visit
India today said it will not make any ''hasty decisions'' on the outcome of discussions with President Barack Obama on ''complex'' issues of outsourcing, seat for India in UN Security Council and withdrawal of US ban on export of dual-use technology.

Seeking to downplay Obama's remarks yesterday in which he did not hold out any assurances on these key concerns, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao said it would be wrong to prejudge the US leader's discussions with the Indian leadership.

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The big aim is to sell more goods to India. Period. Often during a sale processes different people trek into the offices of clients. The sales personnel, the technical personnel, VP of Marketing, VP this and that, if the client and order is big the CEO will also join the caravan on the pilgrimage. In the past the Indian Left offered some resistance in totally going overboard. Now that their teeth have been plucked out, they are just going to be barking and not biting.
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Guess who is going for PM's Obama dinner?
Congress president Sonia Gandhi, her son and party general secretary Rahul Gandhi, Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, Bollywood veterans Shabana Azmi and Javed Akhtar and academic Najeeb Jung are among those invited for the private dinner Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is hosting for US President Barack Obama on Sunday.

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From the cabinet, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee, Home Minister P. Chidambaram and External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna will be present at the exclusive do.

Top aides to the prime minister, including National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon and Principal Secretary T.K.A. Nair, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao, India's ambassador to US Meera Shankar and Deputy chairman of the Planning Commission Montek Singh Ahluwalia will also be present.

From the American side, besides National Security Adviser Tom Donillon, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, Commerce Secretary Gary Locke, US ambassador to India Timothy J. Roemer and Rajiv Shah, administrator of USAID, are expected at the dinner. Obama begins his four-day visit to India from Mumbai Nov 6 and lands in Delhi Sunday afternoon.
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I find it curious that the defence minister is missing from the dinner, given that defence deals are supposed to be on top of the US agenda.
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Where is Ravi Batra now a days! Happy in his rental apartment . :?:
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Was this posted earlier?

Glimmer in Obama gloom - Delhi’s friends stand to gain
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If India — like Israel and its lobby here — is able to approach its bilateral dealings with Washington with an imaginative mix of vision, cunning, deft planning and cynicism, the sky could be the limit in the next two years in this city which will be divided deep down the middle on almost every issue.
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But look at the bright spots for India! The powerful House of Representatives foreign affairs committee will get rid of its Democratic chairman, the nuclear non-proliferation-obsessed Howard Berman of California, who opposed the nuclear deal with India throughout and authored some “killer” amendments to block it up to the very final vote on it in the House.

Instead, this committee will be chaired by Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Florida Republican who fought a hard-won battle to become co-chair of the Congressional caucus on India and Indian Americans in 2005, the year of the nuclear deal.
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Similarly, the chairmanship of the House of Representatives sub-committee on terrorism, non-proliferation and trade, important for India, will switch from Brad Sherman of California, another ayatollah of non-proliferation on the Potomac. It will go to Republican Ed Royce, also of California, but a very different kind of Californian, a two-time co-chair of the India caucus, who played a key role in lifting sanctions imposed on India after the nuclear tests of 1998.
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Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat, has been unhelpful for India on matters under his chairmanship of the committee on financial services. Royce is a contender for this post as well because this panel is more influential than the other committee where he is a shoo-in.

But if he does not make it, this chairmanship will go to one of the two senior Republican contenders: Spencer Bachus of Alabama or Pete King of New York. Both Congressmen have been conciliatory on issues of Indian interest: one of them is obsessed that China is evil and is willing to go along with anyone who is perceived as being against China.
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ramana wrote:Re NSV column about how US decline started with fall of Soviet Union. This is very perceptive. US had pumped up its sinews of powers (economy, military, and space) to compete with the Commanding Heights economy of the FSU. However after the FSU fell it did not de-pump slowly or soft landing and this is what led to the crash of 2008.

In 1992 there were a series of seminars in DC where US scholars and historians debated the issue of loss of FSU and it effect on USA. Since US models itself on republican Rome the analogy of Rome and Carhtage was brought up by one professor who worried that just one hundred years after Carthage was destroyed, Rome too was transformed and the Roman way of life vanished: Imperialism and later Christianity took over. He didnt get much listening as Clinton baba was in full form of implementing New World order envisaged by GW Bush I thru NAFTA and globalization.
Which column is that.
One visit cannot change the decision or bring anything new.
But this visit is the build the same constituency of the Pak interest and is being enhanced.
Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, Bollywood veterans Shabana Azmi and Javed Akhtar and academic Najeeb Jung are among those invited for the private dinner Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is hosting for US President Barack Obama on Sunday.
John Kerry takes care of the Pak side including the Hurriet and Kashmir side for money. So within the US govt they are working on a large base inside India and Pakistan and has same interest. This is ominous.
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Yeah the Lord works in mysterious ways!
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Ten posts above.
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US Republicans to target Afghan withdrawal timetable

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Republican Representative Buck McKeon, who was all but certain to be the new chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, signaled that the party would ensure that US forces have the "time" to achieve their goals.

Republicans will ensure that "our troops deployed in Afghanistan, Iraq and around the world have the equipment, resources, authorities, training, and time they need to successfully complete their missions and return home," his office said in a statement.

"America remains a nation at war. More than 150,000 of our sons and daughters are deployed around the globe in the fight against Al-Qaeda and its terrorist allies," said McKeon.

The committee's "top priority," he added, "will be to work in a bipartisan manner to provide those brave warfighters the resources and support they need to succeed in their missions and return home safely."

McKeon will work with the top US military officer in Afghanistan, General David Petraeus, to make sure his troops have "the equipment and resources they need to win," a committee aide said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

And Republicans "will continue to hold the administration accountable for developing appropriate metrics that accurately judge the security and political situations on the ground as we approach July 2011," said the aide.

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Re the above post, there are too many powerful people within the Pentagon, Congress and DC in general who are hell bent against a cut and run in Afghanistan. Obama cannot ram his way out of this.

BTW, Obama has proven to be a man without strong conviction i.e. he'll make a deal just to get along. We'll see how this turns out.
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putnanja wrote:Was this posted earlier?

Glimmer in Obama gloom - Delhi’s friends stand to gain
Thanks, this is the kind of article I was waiting for.

I think, India should be making friends with a very broad section of American legislators and governors, think tanks, journalists, university professors, CEOs, etc.. They should be the ones to be invited to India and be chatted up.

American Presidency is too much of a risk. It can go to one of likes India, or to somebody who doesn't care a damn. We need a much more broad-based support across USA.
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ramana wrote:Not so fast. The change in House means the pressure to cut and run is reduced and also focus will be on domestic spending. Means less money for the baksheesh guys.

JuggiG, She is first female governor of S Carolina a stronghold of Baptists! That is an even greater achievement.
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Yesterday CNN's Anderson was quzzing harshly a Tea Party spokesperson who said ~$200M is being spent on the visit at times of distress! And he claimed who do you substantiate that? And she said go look at Indian press reports of limousines and hotels being booked. All that costs money!
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That Lady Congresswoman Bauchman recommended Video Conferencing between 2 heads of state instead of visit. :lol:
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So you did watch CNN!
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I love the Indian media, they are creating sensation. Haa haa. The Pentagon is pissed off now, they are dismissing the report regarding 34 warships as "comical" and "absolutely absurd". Then the cost, I read that it costs about Rs2700 crores. I also read that in Mumbai authorities are chopping coconut trees, so that coconut shells does not fall on Obama's head. If it is true, it is so stupid and sad.

I hope there is some psy-ops from India.....it will be fun.

Bachmann is a nut job.
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Big Lifafa article

A partnership built on flawed assumptions
...If the big ticket arms and nuclear purchases the U.S. expects India to make do not materialise, much of the warmth in the relationship will evaporate.
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Psst! Enjoy your stay but don’t trust - Want to survive India? Ask Americans

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A confidential code of conduct distributed here among those who will be following Obama during his three days in India also reads, at a personal level, like an extension of America’s revived tendency to be inward-looking under resurgent Republicans led by the so-called Tea Party activists who are also isolationists.

The US-India Business Council (USIBC) has told the large “Presidential Executive Mission” of American business representatives who will be with Obama to book hotel rooms in Mumbai and New Delhi that “faces inwards — away from the front entrance or passing road”.

They have also been told to “assume” throughout their stay that in hotel rooms in Mumbai and New Delhi, “all external door keys are compromised” and strongly advised to “lock your luggage”.

Parts of a six-page advisory issued to these businessmen read like a manual which would be given to James Bond by MI6, Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service in charge of foreign intelligence, and border on the bizarre.
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One top American executive who received the advisory said yesterday that he was initially confused that his delegation was going to Afghanistan or Pakistan, not an open society like India, especially to its vibrant and dynamic cities.

The advice to secure hotel rooms facing inwards is said to be a precaution against rockets, grenades or missiles being launched from roads or even the sea targeting the hotels while the Americans are staying there. A room that faces a hotel garden or quadrangle inwards will offer one extra layer of protection in the event of such a hit. :roll:
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Many businessmen here who are frequent visitors to India were yesterday advising those going for the first time not be paranoid over the instructions but to enjoy India’s famous hospitality reflected in Jawaharlal Nehru’s oft-quoted advice to his countrymen to “receive a visitor, send back a friend”.
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ramana wrote:Big Lifafa article

A partnership built on flawed assumptions
...If the big ticket arms and nuclear purchases the U.S. expects India to make do not materialise, much of the warmth in the relationship will evaporate.
SV also writes:

"But these relations have to be free-standing, built with all the confidence that a rising, democratic power can muster, our eyes looking forward rather than sideways at the constant swings of an American pendulum."

SV is an American citizen. So who's the ''our eyes" bit refer to? The whole tone is so anti-American. Isn't he supposed to have pledged allegiance to the USA?

These commies are all alike. Jyoti Basu used to rail against imperialism and colonialism and then insist on taking his summer holiday in the English country side each year every year and saw no contradiction.

Dick:
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

Cade:

Nay, that I mean to do.

Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71–78

Hmm...:)
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Maharashtra CM, No. 2 may skip Obama meet over checks
MUMBAI: Miffed by the US consulate demanding personal details like birth date, nationality and passport number, Maharashtra's top politicians and bureaucrats have decided to pay it back in the same currency. While the home minister and the home secretary have declined to attend an event graced by President Barack Obama, four others, including chief minister Ashok Chavan and deputy chief minister Chhagan Bhujbal, are mulling the same.

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Last week, Folmsbee wrote to Chavan, Bhujbal, home minister R R Patil, chief secretary J P Dange, additional chief secretary Chandra Iyengar and protocol secretary Sumit Mullick, inviting them for the November 6 event at the Taj Mahal hotel where Obama is expected to pay homage to victims of the 26/11 terror attacks.

"President Barack Obama will make a brief statement to commemorate the tragic attacks on November 26, 2008, respect the victims.. Kindly attend the event.. For security reasons, bring this letter, along with a photo identify card, RSVP to protocol advisor," Folmsbee said in the one-page letter.

The US consul-general also asked the six to fill up a form with details like complete name, birth date, nationality, passport and PAN numbers and submit it to the consulate before November 2.

Of the six invitees, Patil and Iyengar have declined to attend the event on grounds that the tone of the invitation and the request for details were inappropriate.

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5 Nov, 2010, 04.13AM IST,
Obama's India visit: Beyond strategic symbolism
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 874349.cms

Obama needs India onside, politically and economically
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ ... 17fcs.html

India, US to sign pact on weather, crop forecasting
2010-11-04 18:30:00

http://sify.com/news/india-us-to-sign-p ... ffddg.html
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