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anupmisra wrote:
Kashmiri militant groups still recruiting in Pakistan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11697782
Why is that Beeb is able to find these groups openly operating without any problem?
Because they are opertating openly!

Watch this video: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11699863
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Tubelights flicker
Why Obama is skipping Pakistan

November 09, 2010
Mosharraf Zaidi

Most of the Pakistani response to the visit by President Barack Obama to India seems to be of the sour-grapes variety. These sour grapes are the fruit of Pakistan's intoxication with regional parity. Pakistanis are upset, even jilted, that the recently humbled President Obama is visiting India, and not paying Pakistan a visit on the same trip. Surely, we jest.
There's something exceptionally problematic about the misplaced Pakistani pride that expects the United States to treat Pakistan in the same manner that it treats India. Pakistan is a net-consumer of American taxpayer benevolence. India is a net-contributor to the American taxpayers' bottom-line. What part of "more money" is so difficult for the Pakistani nationalist elite to understand? Perhaps some numbers will help populate the imagination.
Pakistan has the injuriously infamous Kerry Lugar Bill of course, which is a $1.5 billion gift from American taxpayers to the Pakistani elite, to help purchase the things that the Pakistani elite should be paying for-bridges, schools and other brick-and-mortar infrastructure that contractors across the country will find much harder to scam than they would like.
At the "strategic dialogue" this past month of course, Pakistan was also able to secure a promise from the ever-weakening Democratic administration, that it would seek an additional $2 billion in military funding for Pakistan, from a House of Representatives that is fresh from a set of victories for the Jamaat-e-Tea faction of the Hizb-e-Republicans.
So this friendship between America and Pakistan (regardless of what it has cost Pakistan), potentially costs the American taxpayer a cool $3.5 billion a year in cash and military hardware.
To get a look at some of the things President's Obama's entourage will be doing in India-other than horrendous (though very cute) attempts to seem like they are down with Bollywood-we turn to the excellent reporting of Paul Beckett (Wall Street Journal) and Alister Bull (Reuters). Their summaries of business deals on Obama's agenda include:
$917 million for Bucyrus International, a Wisconsin-based manufacturer, to sell mining equipment to Sasan Power in Madhya Pradesh for a 3,960 megawatt powerplant.
$2.7 billion for Boeing to supply 30 Boeing 737s to the plethora of Indian airlines that have helped transport tens of millions of creative, innovative and risk-loving Indian entrepreneurs around their country.
$4.5 billion to $5.8 billion for the purchase of 10 C-17 aircraft, as well as hundreds of engines and spare parts for the Indian military.
$50 million for Caterpillar to supply marine engines to the Indian Coast Guard.
$800 million for General Electric to supply fighter jet engines to the Indian Aeronautical Development Agency for a light combat aircraft for India.
$500 million for General Electric to supply super heavyweight gas turbine engines for Reliance Energy.
These deals alone are worth more than $10 billion in total transactions, with the cash heading from India to the shores of the recession-prone American economy that can't seem to create jobs without someone's benevolence. They do not include some of the massive deals for which dollar figures are not public, because they are deals between private sector companies in both countries.
One of the most promising potential deals is the one between the Tata Group and two firms, Eaton and Cummins. Together these companies have developed the already in-operation Hybrid Tata Starbus-which was used at the Commonwealth Games to transport players to and from venues. Potential contracts for this kind of bus will be in the thousands, with New Delhi alone looking to add 6,000 vehicles to its public sector transportation network.
Another potential deal for India's transportation sector that has yet to be finalised is the purchase of 4,000 state-of-the-art diesel engines, worth at least $4 billion by Indian Railways, from either GE or Caterpillar.
The total value of these deals is one thing. The total number of jobs these deals will produce in the United States is another. Obama Administration officials are confident that the deals will deliver at least 50,000 jobs for manufacturers in the US.
So just to recap the numbers here, Pakistan is a country that the United States is paying $3.5 billion in total, because without this money Pakistan threatens to go Talibankrupt. That $3.5 billion is going to come from the American taxpayers' paycheck. Its money they're forced to pay because of the gullibility and guilt of centrist American politicians.
In contrast, India is a country that is going to spend more than $10 billion to buy American goods and services, and in that process, will help create 50,000 jobs, and the paychecks that go with them.
Now ask yourself which country is going to get special treatment? That melody in the distance is the sound American violins playing Vande Mataram.
Of course, none of this means that the US-India romance is righteous. It is what it is. The flowery rhetoric of shared values between the US and India are cute-but America will not and cannot treat Oregon the way India has treated, is treating and will continue to treat Kashmir. The closest thing the US has to a domestic insurgency is Keith Olbermann's moral uprightness, or the Tea Party's commitment to making sure rich people don't have to pay taxes. India has a Naxalite problem that is fully and wholly existential in nature. America is a fully grown organism, as nation-states go. India is still growing into its own clothes, and into its rightful place on the world stage.
Picking at India's soft underbelly is for the bitter and the out of touch. It is hardly constructive or relevant to the Pakistani condition. The only relevant lessons from the Obama visit to India are the ones to be gleaned from the deals being made.
It is unfortunate that Pakistan's deeply polarised national discourse is so obsessed with identity. This political piñata of identity has always been exploited by both ends of the spectrum, sucking out all the air from the discourse and leaving no space for talking about the economy or jobs. Thanks to 9/11, it is now the overwhelmingly dominant lens for foreign policy (India, Afghanistan, America etc.), for social services (education curriculum, population control etc.) and even for technology (Facebook bans, "media Taliban" etc.).
All the while, there are mouths to feed, money to be earned, deals to be made. While we drown in the inanities of this country's infinite and perpetual search for identity, we are deepening our current bankruptcy, and ensuring a future of mostly begging for handouts. Obama next stops are South Korea, Indonesia and Japan. The reason he is not visiting Pakistan is obvious. Pakistan does not belong on that list of countries. And that is not India's fault.

The writer advises governments, donors and NGOs on public policy. www.mosharrafzaidi.com
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Pakistan's Energy Crisis
Crying need for more exploration
During the previous fiscal year, the country imported goods and services valued at $31.52 billion, with the largest share going to oil products with $11 billion worth of imports – about 35 per cent of the entire bill. In contrast, the import of machinery and mechanical appliances (capital goods) was valued at only $3.96 billion, a little more than 12 per cent of all imports. If oil prices remain in the band between $80 and $90 per barrel, an optimistic assumption to begin with in the first place, our oil import bill for the current fiscal will fare somewhere between $12 and $13 billion.

The solution, no surprise, lies in increasing domestic oil and gas production. As of September 30 this year, the four listed oil and gas exploration companies are sitting with retained earnings of Rs222 billion and cash and short-term investments of Rs62 billion. If we want the other 11 unlisted and foreign owned companies to expand their exploration activities, then the lead needs to be taken by the Oil and Gas Development Company Limited (OGDCL), Pakistan Petroleum Limited (PPL), Pakistan Oilfields (POL) and Mari Gas.

The government should give a target of at least 25 per cent growth in hydrocarbon reserves as well as production to these companies. If the companies are expected to do well, then we as a nation should be willing to incentivise their efforts. If they are successful in increasing reserves and production by 25 per cent, the government could offer them the carrot of a reduction in corporate tax rate, perhaps to the tune of five per cent.
All it takes is some investment and government incentives, and every exploration activity will magically open the taps to vast pools of oil and gas. Another Pakistani paper recommends a different route:

Switch to coal
The energy mix of Pakistan is no enigma. Primarily based on oil and gas to generate electricity, we simply do not utilise coal or focus on any other form of energy for power generation; and so, we have an alarming situation. There is over 40 per cent dependence on gas, while 30 per cent of all our power is acquired through oil. Majority of which, over 72 per cent is imported oil.

It is seen that coal is responsible for 72 per cent of China’s power needs, 56 per cent of Indian needs, where as the US utilises more than 50 per cent of coal in its power generation. Globally, the share of coal in power generation is 38 per cent, compared to 0.1 per cent in Pakistan.

A chemical analysis of the given coal reserves shows that not only it is a moderate-good quality lignite coal deposit, but has a lot of moisture in it, further benefiting the gasification process. Being a non-renewable energy reserve, we also have to consider the amount of coal present in these deposits. Studies show that the deposits are enough to meet the energy requirements of Pakistan for at least the next 200 years.

On February 8, 2008, the President of Pakistan gave a green signal to once again study and initiate the Thar Coal Project for power generation. For the said purpose, Thar Coal Mining Company was initiated to provide coal for the Independent Power Plants (IPPs). This positive step has received a green signal a number of times in the past, now only if we can take the first step.
However, this year the World Bank refused to finance the Thar Coal Project because: coal is seen as “dirty fuel” due to the high-level of pollution it creates when used as an energy source. Acquiring technology, which converts it into clean energy, remains costly and is beyond the reach of cash-strapped Pakistan.
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Gulbuddin ante portas - again

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... rtas_again
The interview snippets were combined with a description of Hekmatyar: a "warlord" and "leader of a terrorist organization," formerly one of the most important anti-Soviet mujahedin leaders who "forged many alliances and broke them again," fighting against "everyone" including former allies; that he was supported by the CIA in this time and that he is responsible for "the death of tens of thousands" Afghans -- a reminder by Gack for most Westerners who tend to forget that there already was a round of war before 9/11 in Afghanistan and to idealize the former mujahedin leaders. (A local German paper recently even called HIG "moderate, almost social democratic.")
He also confirms that Daud Abedi who had claimed that he had met members of the Holbrooke team as early as in April 2009 (reported here) is indeed a "representative of Hezb."
Why did Hekmatyar who is not known for giving many interviews (he is on the UN and U.S. terrorist sanctions lists, after all) particularly chose German TV for such a self-presentation?

HIG is known for good connections to Germany from the 1980s when many mujahedin supporters found political asylum there. Amongst them, there were many HIG sympathizers, and HIG had an (unofficial) office in Bonn, in the form of an Afghan refugee association. HIG fighters were involved in a training programme for cameramen in Germany, to accompany the Stinger missiles newly acquired from the U.S. (see Charlie Wilson's War) and to show how effective they were. (I met one of them by chance during a walk in Paghman a few years ago.) This was part of a larger programme called "Gläsernes Afghanistan" (something like "Transparent Afghanistan") pushed by Wilson's German equivalent, MP Jürgen Todenhöfer, a former right-winger (Brezhnev's spokesman wanted to "flog and shoot" him) who turned into an opponent of the current war in Afghanistan ("Bin Laden killed less people than Bush"). Also, some journalists and aid workers maintain connections with Hekmatyar. As a result, leading HIG figures on their rounds though Kabul's embassies and political offices during the drawn-out registration process of the legal wing of their party during 2005-2006, leading HIG figures radiated a lot of pro-German sympathy whenever they met a German.
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Brad Goodman wrote:Zardari, Kayani discuss impact of Obama visit to India
Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has met President Asif Ali Zardari here Monday and the two held detailed consultation on a spectrum of issues including national security situation, impact of US president Barack Obama visit to India
Asif Ali Zardari also took Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani into confidence on the talks to be held with Chinese leadership on defence and security matters in his upcoming visit to China. Consultation at length was held on the national security situation.
Picture provided by ISPR is same where kiyanahi is massaging his mijjile and 10% watching the freak show
Why is Nation newspaper photoshopping them?


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^^
Actually Zardari, Gillani and Kiyani are fictional characters like Gollum. They don't exist. They have been created in the ILM studios and State Department contributes all the dialogs. It is all an American conspiracy.

Nobody has really ever seen them up close, or ever talked to them. Once in a while they send out some actors with masks on to play these characters. The Kiyani-Mullen or Kiyani-Petraeus meetings are created by the same department who shot the Moon landing in their back studios.
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SureshP wrote:Tubelights flicker
Why Obama is skipping Pakistan
November 09, 2010
Mosharraf Zaidi
http://beta.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintD ... 4525&Cat=9
That guy is a closet Jihadi. For every reasonable sounding articles, he has 3 RAPE articles. Including a latest one which said "If Pakistan cannot protect its own citizens, how can the international community expect it could protect theirs". (spot the Lahori logic here)
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^ :rotfl: I tried to make sense of it. :oops:
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Anujan wrote:Why is Nation newspaper photoshopping them?
Boss look at it this way: When Groper's Mai Baap is there, why do you need him? And Kiyani is very adept an polishing his own Mijjile as the picture testifies and so Groper is doubly redundant, he doesn't need to use his Groping skills! :)
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Anujan wrote:That guy is a closet Jihadi. For every reasonable sounding articles, he has 3 RAPE articles. Including a latest one which said "If Pakistan cannot protect its own citizens, how can the international community expect it could protect theirs". (spot the Lahori logic here)
I agree with you on this.

He shows his Rape credentials even in this article.
The flowery rhetoric of shared values between the US and India are cute-but America will not and cannot treat Oregon the way India has treated, is treating and will continue to treat Kashmir. The closest thing the US has to a domestic insurgency is Keith Olbermann's moral uprightness, or the Tea Party's commitment to making sure rich people don't have to pay taxes. India has a Naxalite problem that is fully and wholly existential in nature. America is a fully grown organism, as nation-states go. India is still growing into its own clothes, and into its rightful place on the world stage.
He also shows another essential Rape expertise: Downhill skiing. After saying all the above he adds:
Picking at India's soft underbelly is for the bitter and the out of touch.
:)
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SS ji, thanks a lot for that list. it will come in useful elsewhere. :)

p.s. I agree that some of those links deserve a place in the opening post, under the heading 'admissions of terrorism by pakistani officials' perhaps ? I can do it if you agree.
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Oh, I like the picture and caption. For our resident jalebi lovers:

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Shireen Mazari: a particular kind of alaap
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amit wrote:Shireen Mazari: a particular kind of alaap
:)
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aaargh....my eyes!! my breakfast!!

Can you please put a warning above and below such photos? Especially people who read from bottom to the top.
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amit wrote: Image
Which one is it?
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One more China trip by Zardari
This is his seventh trip ?
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Pakistan hits out at India after US backing for UNSC

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 895103.cms
India's "expansionist designs" :(( were contradictory to the charter of the Security Council, Pakistan said Tuesday as it again lashed out at the US supporting New Delhi's bid for a permanent seat in the UNSC. The leadership in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir joined in the anti-India chorus.
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I fled from match-fixers: Pakistan keeper Haider
"The country is like a mother and anyone who sells it cannot get anything in life. I did not want to sell my mother, I did not want to sell my country and I did what I thought was better," he added.
This makes my day happy. The impact of arbization has not touched the core values of Indics in Pakistan. See how he is equating his nation with motherly figure (even though females have less value compared to men according to Ixlam).
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shiv wrote:
Which one is it?
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Despite the, ahem, display of assets I think its the turd, I mean toad, on the left. :-)
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Dipanker wrote:
anupmisra wrote: Why is that Beeb is able to find these groups openly operating without any problem?
Because they are opertating openly![/quote]


not just the beeb, but a large number of western news media, especially independent journalists have made the trip to isloo/pindi interviewed punjab gov, military afsars, let, and then wandered up the road to muzzafarabad and met the earnest young peach bottoms and heard their tales of 'one firm kick to the yindoo' and 'we are a p:ssphool country onlee' in varying quantities. if they get too close to things they shouldn't find, suddenly their interpreters dissapear or resign and the unmarked toyota car that has been tailing them for the past few days suddenly stops being so far behind. i even saw a doc from an aussie journalist who was advised to get out whilst the going was good by unnamed persons

now you know the model that was used with daniel pearl...

open secret
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X-posted from"Islam and Islamophobia" thread.


Another Paki found guilty of assisting Al qaeda.

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2010/11 ... nals_a.php
The FBI's arrest of Farooque Ahmed of Ashburn, Va., for allegedly assisting al Qaeda in planning multiple bombings around the nation's capital paints a sobering picture of the threat we still face from jihadists.

The FBI charged the 34-year-old computer engineer, husband, father of one and naturalized U.S. citizen with "providing material support to terrorists and collecting information for a terrorist attack." Emphasizing the gravity of the case, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia Neil H. MacBride remarked that Mr. Ahmed was "accused of casing rail stations with the goal of killing as many Metro riders as possible through simultaneous bomb attacks."

Throughout the summer and fall, U.S. authorities witnessed a significant rise in jihadist activity, using increasingly sophisticated operational strategies. According to open-source reports, between 2001 and 2008, U.S. agencies stopped one or two terror attempts a year. However, from 2009 until today, the government has been uncovering one or two cases a month, a troubling growth in jihadi activities.

The deep concern of citizens and law enforcement personnel is understandable, but the concern is not merely that a man from Ashburn purportedly is engaged in terrorist activities, but rather that there is jihadi activity in the United States at all. The information available on jihadi operations around the United States suggests that authorities are witnessing a coordinated terrorist strategy that focuses on our urban centers.

The FBI's indictment states that Mr. Ahmed agreed to conduct surveillance and take photographs of the Arlington Cemetery Metrorail station and a hotel in Washington for the purpose of gathering information about security and the sites' busiest periods. Mr. Ahmed allegedly also participated in surveillance, recording images of the Arlington Cemetery Metro station on July 7.

The following month, Mr. Ahmed is said to have participated in surveillance of the Courthouse, Pentagon City and Crystal City Metrorail stations just outside Washington. These descriptions of Mr. Ahmed's tasks correspond to calls by al Qaeda leaders to conduct strikes in U.S. cities and to similar actions the group and its affiliates have undertaken in many parts of the world.

"During a meeting at a hotel in Herndon, Virginia, on Sept. 28," the indictment reads, "[Ahmed] suggested that rolling suitcases be used instead of backpacks, and he said that he wanted to kill as many military personnel as possible."

The plan closely resembles past attacks, such as the train bombings of Madrid in 2004 and London in 2005. More important, the plot is consistent with the standing orders of al Qaeda and other jihadists to attack U.S. military personnel.
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Yet another Baki in Virginia. :|
Is some one keeping a count?
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Anujan wrote:Why is Nation newspaper photoshopping them?
In all three photos, Kaha-nahi seems to be wearing that godawful head dress. The one with the radiating sun rays.
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kmkraoind wrote:
"The country is like a mother and anyone who sells it cannot get anything in life. I did not want to sell my mother, I did not want to sell my country and I did what I thought was better," he added.
What could be better than selling your own mother? LaWhori logic. "Hence, I seek asylum in inglishtan where we will, inshallah, create a new pa'astan".
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Kaffir Fingre 's duplicity
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ehsan-aza ... 79296.html
The West Must Excise the Cancer of Terrorism in Pakistan -- or Brace for Failure

It
is an undeniable fact that most of the Taliban leaders are living in Pakistan under ISI protection. Why are Taliban leaders in Pakistan? Following the collapse of the Taliban regime in Kabul in 2001, the ISI managed to beguile the key Taliban leaders and their families to find shelter in Pakistan. This was part of Pakistan's strategy to have the Taliban leadership under its control in order to retain the greatest capacity to influence Afghan internal politics. The Taliban one-eyed leader, Mullah Omar is now virtually a prisoner to the ISI and has no ability to act on his own.
"Do you really think the ISI could pick Mullah Omar if they wanted?" Hillary Clinton asked President Hamid Karzai in Kabul. "They could deliver Mullah Omar like I can pick up this cookie." Karzai answered when he reached over and plucked a chocolate chip cookie from his plate," reports Bob Woodward in his book Obama's War.
The former Taliban Ambassador to Pakistan Mullah Salam Zaeef, who is living in Kabul, said recently that there are about 2,500 Taliban in Pakistani sepulchral prisons across the country. They are kept for future use in Afghanistan. Last year, when I spent time in Kabul, a young journalist from Paktia province, which borders Pakistan, threw his hands in the air and cried out at a conference, "I swear to Allah that Taliban still receive instructions from the ISI." The ISI, likewise, detained 23 Taliban leaders, including Taliban second-in-command Mullah Ghani Brader in February, who was in secret talks with Karzai without Pakistan being aware of this. Pakistan's drumbeat of claims that every peace effort in Afghanistan will doom to failure without Pakistan's participation self-evidently explains the ISI enormous leverage on the Taliban.
The Western success in Afghanistan hinges on how soon we can excise the cancer from Pakistan. If the West fails to clear Pakistani soil of these terrorist networks and its relevant cancerous ideology, we have to be bracing for a grand strategic failure. Many Western commentators believe that Pakistan's core demand is to make Afghanistan free of India. However, in truth Pakistan wants to perpetuate its control over Afghanistan. By controlling Afghanistan, Pakistan essentially wants to control the Pashtuns, who like Baluchis see the Pakistani military as an occupying force. Pakistan has nuclear weapons to hedge against India, but the demise of Islamic militancy, which will spark Pashtun nationalism, could bring a real doomsday to Pakistan. This is Pakistan's empty nest syndrome.
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Quote:
"The country is like a mother and anyone who sells it cannot get anything in life. I did not want to sell my mother, I did not want to sell my country and I did what I thought was better," he added.


This makes my day happy. The impact of arbization has not touched the core values of Indics in Pakistan. See how he is equating his nation with motherly figure (even though females have less value compared to men according to Ixlam).

Come on guys, assylum is not because of threat, but for green pasture. He knows very well that there is no future of paki cricket and he is very young and starting fresh carrier, then why not to start where moolas are?
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Prem wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ehsan-aza ... 79296.html

Pakistan has nuclear weapons to hedge against India, but the demise of Islamic militancy, which will spark Pashtun nationalism, could bring a real doomsday to Pakistan[/color]. This is Pakistan's empty nest syndrome.
Guys, explain this to me. Without TSP-sponsoreed LET Islamic militancy (terrorism) harassing India over imaginary and concocted grievances, TSP has no leverage, none at all over India. But why would absence of TSP-sponsored Taliban Islamic militancy spark Pashtun nationalism? Or put another way, why is Pashtin nationalism absent just because currently TSP-sponsored Taliban Islamic militancy rules the roost? Why are the 2 mutually exclusive?
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CRam ji
Without india as an enemy , they dont have the Islamist drama to divert the attention of Abdfools to serious developmental issues. Pushtuns have been roped for Jihad by Paki since 47 using many excuses. Sooner or latter they will figure out that Pakjabis have been using them for their own selfish reasons and they can make real progress and live good life having their own separate country. India, US, WEST even China will extend economic help to them and they dont need to beg from weakling Poakchors.
Poakistani are trying to infilterate Pakjabi Talibans into Pushtun power centres to create disunity and nothing else . Nothing goes of their father if Pushtuns die on both side of Durand line.
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Pakistan concerns conveyed to US ambassador :(
ISLAMABAD, Nov 9: Shocked by the US support for India’s bid for a permanent seat in the United Nations’ Security Council (UNSC), Pakistan has conveyed its disappointment to the American ambassador here and told him the move could have serious repercussions for the conflict-ridden region and reform of the world body.
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Brad Goodman wrote:Pakistan concerns conveyed to US ambassador :(
ISLAMABAD, Nov 9: Shocked by the US support for India’s bid for a permanent seat in the United Nations’ Security Council (UNSC), Pakistan has conveyed its disappointment to the American ambassador here and told him the move could have serious repercussions for the conflict-ridden region and reform of the world body.
There is something artificial about this

They were briefed before the visit about this probably
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

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The Pashtuns seem to be like the Kurds: "Brave, Loyal, and Stupid", as per the this entertaining article on the Kurds by the War Nerd.

Just as the Kurds were the water boys for the Ottomans, high on the Izlamic brotherhood thing (abandoned when the Turks went in for nationalism instead, and the Kurds found out that some Mozlems are more equal than others), it strikes me that the Pashtuns have been the water boys for the Persians, Mughals, Central Asian turks, and perhaps even Sikhs for a while.

"And then one day they find
Centuries gone behind
Noone told them
They missed the country thang...."

(apologies to Pink Floyd)
Prem wrote:CRam ji
Without india as an enemy , they dont have the Islamist drama to divert the attention of Abdfools to serious developmental issues. Pushtuns have been roped for Jihad by Paki since 47 using many excuses. Sooner or latter they will figure out that Pakjabis have been using them for their own selfish reasons and they can make real progress and live good life having their own separate country. India, US, WEST even China will extend economic help to them and they dont need to beg from weakling Poakchors.
Poakistani are trying to infilterate Pakjabi Talibans into Pushtun power centres to create disunity and nothing else . Nothing goes of their father if Pushtuns die on both side of Durand line.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZeoWxRb ... r_embedded#!

Check this - many videos from Pak giving messages to India and Indians.
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Acharya wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZeoWxRb ... r_embedded#!

Check this - many videos from Pak giving messages to India and Indians.
They just can't cut the umbilical cord to Mother India.
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Nandu wrote:
Acharya wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZeoWxRb ... r_embedded#!

Check this - many videos from Pak giving messages to India and Indians.
They just can't cut the umbilical cord to Mother India.
While this statement is true, it needs to be viewed in the context of wanting that mother India while dominating its people and milking them. This is what the marauding Islamic hordes did. This is what the Brits did. This, in fact is what many Indians did in India.

India is a lovely warm and fertile land. Everyone wants apiece of the action. The fact that someone loves the motherland is not good enough to show that he is interested in the overall welfare of the land and its people.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2

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CRamS wrote:
Prem wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ehsan-aza ... 79296.html

Pakistan has nuclear weapons to hedge against India, but the demise of Islamic militancy, which will spark Pashtun nationalism,¹ could bring a real doomsday to Pakistan. This is Pakistan's empty nest syndrome.
Guys, explain this to me. Without TSP-sponsored LET Islamic militancy (terrorism) harassing India over imaginary and concocted grievances, TSP has no leverage, none at all over India. But why would absence of TSP-sponsored Taliban Islamic militancy spark Pashtun nationalism? ² Or put another way, why is Pashtun nationalism absent just because currently TSP-sponsored Taliban Islamic militancy rules the roost? ³ Why are the 2 mutually exclusive?
CRamS, there are three parts in the above, highlighted appropriately.

¹ For all its support by Pakistan to the various mujahideen factions, Taliban, and warlords like Haqqani, no Afghan leader has ever given up on the issue of the lapsed Durand Line. They have always maintained that it was a result of coercion of the weak by the powerful and the lapse of the British-Afghan Treaty in c. 1993, has only strengthened their argument. They simply want Pashtun lands on the Pakistani side to integrate naturally with Afghanistan. As we all know, Afghanistan was the only country that opposed UN membership of Pakistan. Roughly 30% of the PA is Pashtun. The heaviest concentration of Pashtuns is in Karachi. Quetta is under Pashtun control. There have been frequent skirmishes along the Af-Pak border before 1979. There was a war-like situation in c. 1961 when Afghanistan bitterly complained that Pakistan was using American arms against it. Z.A. Bhutto, who was angered by Daoud Khan raising the Pashtunistan issue, helped Hekmatyar and his group with military training and arms and ammunition. But, their uprising fizzled out as Daoud Khan crushed it. Bhutto also gave asylum to others like Rabbani and Sayyaf who revolted against the monarchy. He shut the border and trade routes with Afghanistan putting Afghans to great misery. Even when the Taliban were at the mercy of Pakistan, they refused to settle the Durand Line issue. So, the Pashtunistan time-bomb is ticking and will not go away. Besides, there is no warmth for Pakistanis in Afghan hearts because of history.

² That really is the empty-nest theory. This is what a perceptive Winston Churchill wrote: “A Pashtun is at peace when he is at war. Tribe wars with tribe. The people of one valley fight with those of the next. To the quarrels of communities are added the combats of individuals. Khan assails Khan, each supported by his retainers. Every tribesman has a blood feud with his neighbor. Every man's hand is against the other, and all against the stranger. “ The Pakistanis therefore want to keep them engaged so that they won't rake up inconvenient issues. Make no mistake. The Pashtunistan issue can unravel Pakistan very, very quickly than all the other issues put together. Remember that the Deobandi organizations such as JUI or Mawdudi's JI passed into Pashtun hands a long time back.

³ The two are not mutually exclusive. One simply has priority over the other due to exigencies of events and Pakistni elites want to keep it this way because it masks Pashtun nationalism.
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^Saar, agreement in 1893, not 1993...
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Acharya wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZeoWxRb ... r_embedded#!

Check this - many videos from Pak giving messages to India and Indians.
Pakiness lies in the beholder of eyes I guess :((

It is a veiled demand to vote for a specific political party and an innocent threat of communal disharmony if Indians vote for other political parties.

All I see in that video is a sense of entitlement on Indian affairs (read wealth/resources) of certain religious forces even though this mahatorma can be raped and stoned-to-death by those very same forces for appearing on a video half naked.
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