Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 11 Nov 2010 19:19

Political and Military Leaders' support and sympathy for Terror groups against India and against International Communities!

No rush against anti-India militants: Musharraf
By Shaun Tandon (AFP) – 12 hours ago
WASHINGTON — Pakistan's former leader Pervez Musharraf called for a more gradual approach against Islamic militants such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, saying they enjoyed sympathy for fighting India.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... d02bda.141

Anti-Indian Pak militant one of world's 'most dangerous' men
http://www.hindustantimes.com/rssfeed/a ... 24758.aspx

Two third of the US aid were spent directly on war machinery
http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2010/11 ... istan.html

Ilyas Kashmiri emerging as new Osama bin-Laden: US agencies
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/--Ily ... ies/709797

Pak, Afghanistan 'incubators' of terrorism and extremism: Russian security chief
http://sify.com/news/pak-afghanistan-in ... hchba.html

Pakistan has a cancer of terrorism, says US envoy to India
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 893035.cms

India should engage in Dialogue with Pakistan but Pakistan has to help her own people and her neighbours by cracking down on terrorism. Terrorism is not Islam. Terrorism is using Islam to hide and hit. More Muslims died because of terrorism in Pakistan. It is better to believe in dialogue sincerely though it takes a bit of time. By threatening India nothing can be solved. It is a chance for Pakistan democratically elected government to crack down on their own intelligence and police force to get rid of sympathisers of terrorism. There needs to be an education about other countries and other religions a bit more sympathetically in Pakistani schools (though attempt to propagate and persuade others to come to Islam is not necessarily wrong from my perspective) but trying to impose one particular religion on the other through various laws and regulations is not a good idea either. For Pakistan to survive and to solve its own issues and engage with India to solve mutual issues and also to grow up economically well the best way is to get rid of terror mechanism at the earliest. Such terror mechanism brings a bad name for all Muslims in Pakistan while many are still peaceloving and have suffered enough in the hands of gunmen who were not Muslims rather terrorists.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 11 Nov 2010 19:38

Moderators,
I will delete the reply shortly.please bear with it for some time.

Dear joshva,
Thank you very much for your enlightened remarks on the peace loving pakistanis and the losses suffrered by them.We are honoured by your wisdom.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 11 Nov 2010 20:34

2 Blasts in Karachi- many buildings destroyed completely including GEO office,CM house,a hotel and CID office

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 11 Nov 2010 21:21

shravan wrote:2 Blasts in Karachi- many buildings destroyed completely including GEO office,CM house,a hotel and CID office

where buddy? who is flashing the news?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 11 Nov 2010 21:23

Staff Report
http://www.samaa.tv/News27690-2_blasts_ ... tyred.aspx

KARACHI: Two powerful blasts occurred near Sindh Chief Minister House. At least 15 people have been martyred while more than 40 others injured Thursday evening.

Emergency has been imposed in city’s hospitals.

Law enforcement agencies have cordoned off the area.

Several buildings in the area were damaged.

One blast took place in front of Sindh CM House and the second explosion occurred inside the office of Crime Investigation Department (CID), sources told.

SAMAA’s reporters on the scene saw dozens of motorcycles and vehicles destroyed and windowpanes of buildings were shattered up to 2 kilometers away. SAMAA

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 11 Nov 2010 21:25

ok found it
Huge Blast Kills At Least Five In Karachi

friday already!!!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Nov 2010 21:25

Fellows -- this is a big one. Apparently it was a Car or a truck bomb with many many kilos of RDX. Apparently the whole building split in half and the tremors were felt many kilometers away.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 11 Nov 2010 21:26

From Entertainment News:

Karachi is under attack. Bomb Blast in the CID office building near Civil Lines area of Karachi this evening. The magnitude of the bomb blast was so huge that half of the city heard the sound of explosion. Around 10 buildings were completely collapsed near the site of blast. TTP (Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan) has taken the responsibility of this blast.10 to 12 feet big drench has been seen on the site of blast.
Firing was also heard after bomb blast. 15 casualties have been reported yet and around 80 people are injured critically.The CID office has completely turned into ruins.

http://news.mp3musicxone.com/2010-11-11/4297.htm

SureshP · Post by **SureshP** » 11 Nov 2010 21:31

15 dead 90 injured so far

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 11 Nov 2010 21:31

guys this one is big..fingers crossed....you know for what

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Nov 2010 21:41

Transcript of the remarks of the former military dictator of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Gen. Musharraf to the Atlantic Council.

Excerpts:

I’ll take the next period of ‘89 to 2001, 12 years. I call this the 12 years of disaster. Firstly, Pakistan and Afghanistan, this region was totally abandoned by the United States. Not only abandoned, there was a strategic shift in the United States towards Pakistan – against Pakistan towards India. There were the sanctions imposed on Pakistan through the Pressler amendment, and cozying up of relations with India starting 1989, in spite of the fact that we were the strategic ally for 42 years and we fought a war together for 10 years.

This led to a sense of betrayal within the people of Pakistan, which exists even now.

Pakistan has certain sensitivities, ladies and gentlemen. What are the sensitivities of Pakistan?

Firstly, our integrity, our well-being, of course, and the world showing concern and giving us importance which is due to us.

The other is the Kashmir dispute. The Kashmir dispute is important not only that it’s a dispute in the United Nations since ‘48, but today it is causing a lot of terrorism and extremism within our society. In 1989, when Kashmir erupted, freedom suddenly erupted in the Indian part of Kashmir, dozens of mujahadeen groups sprung up within Pakistan. And thousands of people were prepared, volunteering to join to go to India to held Kashmir – Indian-held Kashmir to fight against the Indian army. And all these much-maligned names of Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Muhammad, Hizbul Mujahadeen, et cetera, et cetera – I don’t want you to remember names – are products of ‘90s.

Now, when there’s another intifada kind of a movement by people of India-held Kashmir, and that is suppressed by the Indian army with hundreds of people, dozens killed, these very mujahadeen groups again start rising and people give them a lot of support. This sensitivity and its impact to terrorism and extremism must be understood by the world. And therefore the significance of resolution of the Kashmir dispute – not because Pakistan wants it. It’s necessary for the region, for the world to fight terrorism and extremism.

The other sensitivities are nuclear capability. Ladies and gentlemen, Pakistan is much the rogue element, rogue nuclear state, rogue army, “Islamic bomb.” I don’t know why Indian is not a “Hindu bomb” or an Israeli bomb is not a “Jewish bomb.” Why is Pakistani bomb only an “Islamic bomb”? I don’t understand this logic. But anyway, Pakistan is nuclear for as a defensive existential threat exists on it. Our strategy was of military – defensive military deterrence right from 1948. And we quantified this into army, navy, air force on the conventional side. We held that always.

In 1974, India went nuclear, so therefore the defensive deterrence strategy became untenable. Therefore, Pakistan had to go nuclear. And when India started firing missiles in the early ‘90s, Pakistan had to make missiles to restore that balance and restore the strategy of defensive deterrence, which we did. So therefore while Pakistan’s nuclear or strategic capability is an existential compulsion, which is not the case with India. And I don’t understand the logic, and no Pakistani will ever understand the logic, of why Pakistan’s nuclear assets are disturbing the world. So this is our sensitivity.

Q: Thank you, Mr. President, for your very candid presentation. Sebastian Gorka, National Defense University.

If I may draw you out on what seems to be a tension in your presentation, you spoke, with regards to the president’s visit to the region, of your resentment with regards to Indo-centric depictions of Pakistan, that you’re obsessed with India.

At the same time, earlier on, you spoke of the fact that the nuclear capacity of your nation is a compulsion, is an existential compulsion. Is that existential compulsion to do with India or something else? If not, then how do you reconcile these two comments, please?

MR. MUSHARRAF: It has to do with India, yes, certainly, because if you know, sir, I know of Indian forces – if I were to tell you very briefly, Indian forces today are based on 33 infantry divisions. Twenty-five of them are oriented towards Pakistan’s border. They have got about six armor and mechanized divisions, which are the offensive punch, all six organized against Pakistan’s border. Their forward air bases, with – which are the air bases that are used for an offensive, all oriented towards Pakistan’s border. Their navy, mainly oriented towards Pakistan’s shores. So what do you expect?

And when there are incidents like the attack on the Parliament, in my time, the whole army came on to the borders on Pakistan. And therefore, we had to move our army and it was a (world ?) situation developed. What do you expect Pakistan to do? It’s an existential threat, where a force which is three, four times bigger than Pakistan is oriented against Pakistan’s borders. And when incidents take place, then the politicians in India are crying for punishment on Pakistan, attacking Pakistan, et cetera, et cetera.

So what does Pakistan – what does the leadership in Pakistan do? It has an existential threat. Therefore I said our military strategy is of minimum defensive deterrence in the conventional and unconventional. Now, previously it was conventional only. With India going nuclear, it is also unconventional now.

Yes indeed, there is a requirement of reining in these groups. By the way, the Jamaat – this Lashkar-e-Taiba’s other wing, the Jamaat ud-Dawa, they did the best work in earthquake. They did an excellent job in the relief operations just now in flood. So you’re dealing with a situation which has popularity in the people. When they weren’t fighting Kashmir, it’s very popular with the people of Pakistan. They are mujahadeen, they are fighting Indian army. Why? Kashmiris are being killed, so therefore we must help and we must fight.

So it’s a difficult situation for any government in Pakistan. So the root is resolve the Kashmir dispute, frankly. That is the root, and that is my concern that President Obama goes and doesn’t even talk of – for heaven’s sake, if you are – in this unipolar world, you are a sole superpower, you have responsibilities towards everyone.

Read it all:

A Dialogue With Pervez Musharraf

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 11 Nov 2010 22:03

Massive explosion hits Pakistan security compound

By Faisal Aziz

KARACHI | Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:59pm IST

(Reuters) - A massive explosion ripped through a security compound on a busy commercial street in Pakistan's largest city, Karachi, on Thursday, killing at least 15 people and injuring more than 30, officials said.

The explosion occurred inside the compound of the Criminal Investigation Department on Karachi's busy Club Road, said provincial government spokeswoman Sharmila Farooqi.

"The casualties may rise further," a senior police official said. "Many people are injured."

A Reuters photographer on the scene saw dozens of motorcycles destroyed and windows were shattered up to 2 km away. He also saw two wounded children evacuated from the scene.

The blast left a crater about 40 feet (12 metres) across and 12 feet (four metres) deep in front on the building. The building was gutted and some parts of nearby buildings collapsed.

(Additional reporting by Michael Georgy and Athar Hussain; Writing by Chris Allbritton; editing by David Stamp)

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 11 Nov 2010 22:07

arun wrote:Transcript of the remarks of the former military dictator of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Gen. Musharraf to the Atlantic Council.

And when there are incidents like the attack on the Parliament, in my time, the whole army came on to the borders on Pakistan. And when incidents take place, then the politicians in India are crying for punishment on Pakistan, attacking Pakistan, et cetera, et cetera.

Yes indeed, there is a requirement of reining in these groups. By the way, the Jamaat – this Lashkar-e-Taiba’s other wing, the Jamaat ud-Dawa, they did the best work in earthquake. They did an excellent job in the relief operations just now in flood. So you’re dealing with a situation which has popularity in the people. When they weren’t fighting Kashmir, it’s very popular with the people of Pakistan. They are mujahadeen, they are fighting Indian army. Why? Kashmiris are being killed, so therefore we must help and we must fight.

Read it all:

A Dialogue With Pervez Musharraf

They want to allow the incidents to happen. They want the outfits to continue fighting India and then do not want any threat to Pakistan at the border. They want everything under the sun and everything for free.
What a free world they leave in.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 11 Nov 2010 22:09

ISI is sacrificing CID lambs to show Ombaba that TSP also suffers from terrorism........

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 11 Nov 2010 22:10

Bomb blast at CID building, at least 10 killed

The explosion rocked a high-security area of Karachi that is home to the US Consulate, two luxury hotels and the offices of government leaders, showing the reach of militants in the city despite efforts to crack down on them.

Gunman first opened fired on the office of the Crime Investigation Department before detonating a massive car bomb, said Sindh home minister Zulfiqar Mirza. The building has a detention facility that was believed to be holding criminals, and possibly militants.

this was supposed to be one of the safest area in Karachi.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 11 Nov 2010 22:11

CID and FIA are somewhat under civilian control. The few small steps taken by TSP on 26/11 were done by FIA/CID. By unleashing the TTP types on these guys, ISI will ensure that any future cooperation remains minimal, while at the same time they will try to gain sympathy.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 11 Nov 2010 22:13

no news of firing 72'ers been captured

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Nov 2010 22:44

^^^

Apparently the firing 72'ers opened fire in the air and at the CID building for 10 minutes. Dispersed the crowd. Screamed out challenges to the police and then set off the bum!!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Nov 2010 22:49

There is something odd about return of Mushy. He is making his comeback from UK. Yet US books like Bush's Decision Points and Woodward's Obama's war paint a duplitious character who can't be trusted. So there is a tug of war/push back over his re-emergence.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 11 Nov 2010 22:59

Can anybody confirm if a YouTube video prepared by a pakistani channels where its own hydrological officials admitted that India is not withholding any share of pakistan's water, been taken off?

IIRC it was a small video clip - no more than 5 minutes. Its presence on youtube would be good. May have the same in my one of my HDDs, but finding it would be a pain.

If anybody can share the URL of the same, then please do so. It was in Urdu/Hindi

Thanks

while looking for the video, came across this one. a History professor in pakistan talking about its anti-India ideology

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaRbRvCgy3E

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Nov 2010 23:02

15 dead, 115 wounded in Karachi blast

KARACHI:

At least 15 people have been killed and 115 others sustained injuries in a powerful blast at CID building located near Sindh Chief Minister House in a very sensitive area of the metropolis, Geo News reported Thursday.

The powerful blast brought down the complete portion of the front portion of the building of Central Investigation Department (CID) located in the most sensitive area of the metropolis.Banned Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan took no time in claiming responsibility of the attack.Gunshots were reportedly fired just before the occurrence of the blast, sources said. Ambulances are ferrying the wounded to nearby hospitals where emergency has been declared.Hospital sources put the number of injured brought in at over 115.A number of houses located near Civil Lines were also damaged while the powerful shock wave released by the blast also shattered windowpanes of a number of surrounding buildings.Office of DSP Saddar was also partially damaged as a result of the blast.Sindh Home Minister, Dr.Zulfiqar Mirza who reached the site of the blast said the attack appears similar to the one that targeted Marriot Hotel in Islamabad. He said two craters have been caused by the blast.

http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=18316
( Now Kuffar can relax this weekend , this Friday will be a Dryday)

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Nov 2010 23:05

WKKs (including Bdutt and others across the border) furiously exchanging nandi droppings like "Karachi incident shocking!! India and Pakistan should talk on all issues including Cashmere!! Wont someone think of the people!!"

Lahori logic bug is biting people on this side of the border.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 11 Nov 2010 23:09

Anujan wrote:^^^

Apparently the firing 72'ers opened fire in the air and at the CID building for 10 minutes. Dispersed the crowd. Screamed out challenges to the police and then set off the bum!!

Powerful explosion rocks Karachi, 19 martyred

Police officials confirmed that terrorists attempted to release detained terrorist Iqbal Bajori. It is not confirmed yet that either Bajori managed to escape or includes among the injured.

TPO Saddar said that about 1000 kilogram explosives were used in the blast.

Sindh IG Babar Khattak told SAMAA that the CID office was attacked by the terrorists from two sides before the explosion.

“Firing between the terrorists and security men continued for about five minutes.”

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Nov 2010 23:14

Looks like very flush with explosives if 1000kg was used.

must be from ISI stocks.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 11 Nov 2010 23:18

Only 15 killed?? just a b-grade bomb

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 11 Nov 2010 23:27

In pictures: Karachi blast

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 11 Nov 2010 23:33

putnanja wrote:Only 15 killed?? just a b-grade bomb

Well with a 100 injured, the score might go to some respectable levels.

vic · Post by **vic** » 11 Nov 2010 23:34

I think that number of people getting their 72 raisins will rise to around 50-80 though frankly I think that it has been very long since freedom fighters of bakistan have scored a century. Go Pakis Go, get to 100. I also think that this is ISI-Army attacking the civilian Govt to show who is the daddy! So who is the daddy of all this?????

vic · Post by **vic** » 11 Nov 2010 23:47

ISLAMABAD, Nov. 11 (Xinhua) -- At least 30 people were killed and 150 others injured in a powerful blast that went off Thursday night in the downtown area of Karachi, the largest industrial city in southern Pakistan, sources in Karachi told Xinhua.

Police sources said that the blast was caused by an explosive- laden truck.

vic · Post by **vic** » 11 Nov 2010 23:49

At least 1,034 people were killed in Pakistan's commercial capital in the first 10 months of 2010, most of them victims of target killings, a government funded watchdog has said.

The Citizens-Police Liaison Committee (CPLC) a government funded watchdog organisation has said that the number of casualties are the highest in last 15 years

It says Pakistan was struck by 335 incidents of suicide bombings in 2010 that claimed 1,208 people's lives, whereas the number of target killings or assassinations during the same period was 1,233. ( So we can hope for 400 to round off the year??)Analysts and security experts put down the increased number of target killings to activities by the land mafia, extortion rackets and politically motivated killings.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 11 Nov 2010 23:59

Anujan wrote:^^^

Apparently the firing 72'ers opened fire in the air and at the CID building for 10 minutes. Dispersed the crowd. Screamed out challenges to the police and then set off the bum!!

Hmm... Too much cockiness. Terrorists behaving like a bandit gang challenging a frontier town in a spaghetti western movie. Better their cops than our's.

Mushy's idiot ramblings and psychotic behavior against Indians seem to entertain London, as does Indian deaths he caused.

Ramanaji, your previous postings on EFP and big bombs of Iraq

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Nov 2010 00:00

How can one be struck by incidents?

So it is saying that soosai to date has same efficacy as other methods?

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 12 Nov 2010 00:09

Hiten wrote:Can anybody confirm if a YouTube video prepared by a pakistani channels where its own hydrological officials admitted that India is not withholding any share of pakistan's water, been taken off?

IIRC it was a small video clip - no more than 5 minutes. Its presence on youtube would be good. May have the same in my one of my HDDs, but finding it would be a pain.

If anybody can share the URL of the same, then please do so. It was in Urdu/Hindi

Thanks

Hiten, you talking about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk-kbSKoyOg

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 12 Nov 2010 00:24

ramana wrote:There is something odd about return of Mushy. He is making his comeback from UK. Yet US books like Bush's Decision Points and Woodward's Obama's war paint a duplitious character who can't be trusted. So there is a tug of war/push back over his re-emergence.

There is two factions inside US establishment.
One is the Pro Pakistan which supports Mush and PA. This is also against India or indifferent to Indian interest.
This group sets the US policy on south asia and started the Obama visit agenda. But they had to recede after the reception from the Indian media. This group has invited Mushy for talks and for explaining Pak position. This group also invited Kiyani before Obamas visit.

The other is anti- jihad and anti Al Q. This is also against Pakistan jihadis and indifferent to PA and military govt.

The second group is now supporting India but there is no real pro India faction inside US establishment. Pro India faction is very sporadic and there is no base to support India or India based policy.

US business and multinationals have become current supporters for India policy but their agenda is limited.
US military has some support for India policy with Pacom but the Centcom is the dominant policy maker for south asia.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Nov 2010 00:47

Acharya:

Admist all the intricate pushes and pulls, the simple falsehood that permeates the preponderence of nut-cases in the US media, from whom Americans get their "news" is this: Both TSP (Muslims) & India (Hindus) hate each other like wild uncivilized animals, and their "rivalry" is hurting the white man doing his duty, ordained from the holy Father, the Lord himself: figting & defeating the mighty Al Queda. This narrative is so firmly etched and embedded in the white boy and white gal's psyche, that its impossible to have a rational discourse on India TSP relations. Now, TSP, not to be undone plays precisely on this Al Queda boogey. The bunch of chameloeons that they are glibly talk about taking on "terrorism" and "extremism" as exemplified by Al Queda, but their "disputes" with India are coming in the way. Throw in Gujarat, Dalits, you name it, and you see how the whole picture gets so convoluted. Any deviation from this sophistry makes it incomprehensible for Americans to understand that what is Al Queda to them, is TSP to India.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Nov 2010 00:56

CRS agree that = = permeates even 'thinking' types. I haerd on NPR, All things consideredhost do that on Monday while discussing the UNSC issue with an expert.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 12 Nov 2010 01:12

Yes sunnyP, that is the one
Thanks a lot, saved me a lot of effort searching for it.

Also, if the mods find it appropriate, could this video be added to list of resources related to pakistan attached at start of every TSP thread?

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 12 Nov 2010 01:19

shynee wrote:In pictures: Karachi blast

This is a force multiplier type of attack.According to the reports the whole CID building has been destroyed.I am pretty sure that effectiveness of Karach CID will be degraded atleast for some time.Meanwhile Taliban can continue to expand their network in Karachi which will enable them to carry out even more blasts and other operations in future.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 12 Nov 2010 01:29

shynee wrote:In pictures: Karachi blast

All I see are SDRE-types. And bare walls in the erstwhile CID building. Where are the TFTA types and all the furniture/maps/filing cabinets?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 12 Nov 2010 01:42

This could be just a shell building