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Prad:
I don't see CT :-)

I have read how Lincoln used the Railroad companies for his election campaigns. In that era the Railroads were the mightiest and "evilest" entities. Paul Craig Roberts in one of his articles talked about how by driving away the manufacturing industry overseas, the country destroyed/reduced the Union Workers. Union Workers were a major contributors to the Democratic party. So now for their money, the Dems had to co-opt with the Corporate powers. After they receive the money, why would they act against the Corporate interests?
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Yahoo has this story!~

Super Villain of Sub-Prime Identified

Its Ameriquest Bank which settled a $325 M charge in 2005.
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^^^
Why can't they accept that it is the entire system, and not one or two individuals? If at all these individuals just placed the last proverbial straw on the camel's back. Seriously what does it take for all these people to understand that, if:
1) People spend more than what they earn for decades, and
2) Government spend more than what it earns for decades, and
3) Jobs are shipped outside the country for decades, depleting individual's earning & savings plus governments revenues......

...eventually it will lead to crisis.
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Well there is a need to fix root cause. What you say is true but all those are not under control. Hence no one will be blamed.
Root cause is a cause that can be fixed.
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^^^
I understand what you are saying. Then what is the solution?

Source: Zero Hedge.
Complex reverse engineering diagram of mortgage securitizations
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Current economics defines wealth as sum of materials, manufacturing, logistics (to be accessible to customer), brand, marketing, securitization, financial derivatives.

When markets fall, the wealth is removed for RED items first, and then GREEN. The Blue part is mostly retained.

Nowadays the items in RED are in multiples of sum of items in Blue and Green.

In US economy the majority value creation is in RED area (Financial markets), with a good amount in GREEN area. Very little of $14T (whatever that is now) US GDP is in BLUE area.
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On other news, two Republicans lawmakers want Fed Reserve to ditch the dual-mandate, and want Fed to focus solely on inflation and not not full employment. Linky
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-r ... 84176.html
G20: Look for Even More Friction in the Future
With France and China already plotting to replace the US dollar as the world's reserve currency at the next G20 summit in Cannes, don't count on this international forum lasting too much longer. The huge fiscal divisions that were already in evidence at the G20 summit in Toronto last June morphed into even bigger and more rancorous divisions on exchange rates at the recent Seoul summit. With the US at China's throat about its record trade surplus, and China at the US's throat over the Federal Reserve Board's blatantly devaluationist policy of quantitative easing, it's little wonder nothing was accomplished.
More importantly, this likely marks the end of the great China-US economic accord, which defined the apex of globalization. That once virtuous and self-reinforcing circle of trade and capital flows, whereby Chinese savings invested in the Treasuries market effectively funded US consumer demand for Chinese exports, is clearly in both countries' gun sights these days.
With no remedies in sight, look for more trade friction in the future. US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner's proposal to target countries' current account or trade balances is only the opening salvo in potential future trade wars. If the Fed's printing presses don't devalue the greenback enough, there are always tariff walls to be rebuilt.If the discussions seemed strained in Seoul, listen carefully to the tone from Cannes in six months' time. At the rate things are going at G20 summits these days, the next one's agenda will have the Smoot-Hawley Tariff of the 1930's on it.
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Is China Going to Kill the Commodities Rally
http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2010/11 ... ies-rally/

By Matt Phillips (Bewakoof , energy prices need to come down as it effect everyday life))
Concern over China clamping down to control inflation is hammering commodities, which have been a huge source of strength during the entire recent QE2-focused period of trading.Since Ben Bernanke’s Jackson Hole speech on Aug. 6 really started getting expectations about QE2 going, the CRB commodities index is up roughly 11%. Key industrial barometer copper was up 13% over that period. The CRB spot metals index was 13%.But the rally seems to have run out of steam around Nov. 11, ahead of China reporting higher-than-expected inflation and new bank lending for October, raising the expectations that Beijing might move to cool off growth and price rises. Since then, copper is down 4.4%. Crude oil is down 5.3%. The S&P 500 materials sector is down 4.2%. That sector of the market is down 2.2% Tuesday
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Hajaar polemics we've seen on the root (shoot?) causes of the near-meltdown and all. Some were witty and entertaining even if dead serious. Well, here's another in that genre from one sri Orlov.

The limits of incompetence

Hilariously tragic read, IMHO.
But it seems that each and every one of us is forced to plead incompetence when presented with the task of judging the value of various figments of financial imagination which comprise fully half of the increasingly fictional US economy, for the depths of incompetence on which this crumbling edifice floats are truly unfathomable. It started with incompetent public officials who blithered on about “ownership society,” which is a boneheaded idea. This, in turn, empowered individuals who were incompetent to make financial decisions to borrow vasts sums of money, with the loans backed by an implicit government guarantee. It proceeded to incompetent appraisers, who inflated the value of the collateral based on circular reasoning (value = price = value), and to incompetent bankers, who improperly documented, resold and bundled the loans into unfathomably faulty Collateralized Debt Obligations. It proceeded to incompetent government officials who treated these faulty documents as valuable and backed up their value with public money which they are yet to collect in taxes. It proceeded to incompetent judges who rush through foreclosures and throw people out of their homes based on faulty or nonexistent documentation of ownership.
Yup, ended up bolding the whole darn thing, just as I suspected....hrrrmph. Anyway, take with some salt the level of polemic/rhetoric and all. If only to cushion our own fragile sensitivities the impact of the implications of the import.
An attempt to unscramble all of the faulty financial paperwork is bound to lead to a ridiculous death by a thousand paper cuts. About half of the US economy consists of financial froth that is floating above an unfathomable abyss of incompetence, and once that froth blows away, what will remain of the US economy will turn out to look like a deflated, shriveled little thing, at a standstill because it will be unable to borrow internationally to finance fuel imports, full of defunct financial institutions right up to and including the Federal Reserve, with a worthless currency that nobody is willing to accept as payment, and full of people furiously shaking their tiny fists, hurling their impotent rage at an indifferent sky.
Oh my gosh, the guy can ear-wax eloquent or what. Take with salt only, people, in the interest of maintaining sanity and facades.
Krueger and Dunning, and other experimenters, have shown this effect to be quite pronounced. Competent people initially assumed that others were competent as well, and were able to correct their misperception once they were allowed to examine the work of others. Incompetent people, on the other hand, were only able to recognize competence in others after being taught to recognize their own incompetence. Thus, a weaker version of point 4 above suffices: incompetent people do not need to become competent, but to able to judge the superior competence of others they do have to gain some insight into their own incompetence.

But now comes an embarrassing fact: Krueger and Dunning carried out their initial research on American subjects, and their results squared well with their hypothesis, but when their experiments were repeated with Europeans and East Asians, a different picture emerged. With Europeans, the effect seemed barely measurable, while with East Asians the exact opposite picture emerges: Dr. Steven Heine of the University of British Columbia has found that East Asians tend to underestimate their abilities, focusing on self-improvement and group cohesion. I have come across examples of such a systematic error before.
Generalizations galore. Wonder what 'south asians' are like on the competence-assessment scale. The inclusion of paquis in south asian would present an outlier-heavy sample skewing and screwing results beyond comprehension.

Recommended read-it-all, janta.

Jai ho and all.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Generalizations galore. Wonder what 'south asians' are like on the competence-assessment scale. The inclusion of paquis in south asian would present an outlier-heavy sample skewing and screwing results beyond comprehension.


Hi Hari,

Trouble is, I see similarity in behaviors of Americans and Indians in those meetings. How often do we see in our professional lives, nodding heads to anything said by the bosses. But when this behavior is coupled with downsizing of our own competence, it just results in very attainable goals. 4 % Hindu rate of growth anyone?

In the US, its more of "Money Motivation" which is clamping Oral fissures rather than anything else. US always had an abundance of greed & jealousy to sue everybody left, right & center.

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I notice the Federal Reserve is quietly starting to inch away from the claim of its role in 'fixing' the economy. I believe Bernanke is trying to publically absolve himself & the fed of any role in the coming crash.

You can already see the fed quietly washing their hands off the mess they created and sneaking away as all good con men do when they are about to be exposed as frauds.

Even some here on BR who were earlier arguing with me about money printing, bailout hounding, financing & high rolling and other scam artistry have stated singing a different tune. I really feel like dredging up some of their earlier messages and holding their feet to the fire on this one but I'm short on time at the moment.

I expect the Fed may even get stooge politicians to vote for a law that says the Fed's mandate is not to be too involved in the economy. That way they can point to the law when the crash comes and claim they were prevented from 'fixing' the problem.

But make no mistake, the scam of a private banking cartel pushing fiat money, fractional reserve banking and the useless parasitic middleman economy that is banking & financing IS the reason for the coming crash.
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Hari Seldon wrote:Bery bery interesting onlee.....

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

Compare per capita public debt for the rising Asian giants China (~$724) and India (~711) against the emerged khanomies - unkil (~$29k), UQ (~$26k), Canada (~$37k), Ozistan (~$11k) et al to get a feel for the sheer scale of living beyond means by the extend and pretend ponzi on and on for the past few decades. Wow only. All figs in USF
It would be interesteing to see the public debt in proportion to the per capita income. Thhe picture will become scary at taht time. Even for India.
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An interesting quote. Some suckers wealth has to be confiscated to pay for all the gold plated pensions of public sector employees. Suckers are in high demand by public sector unions these days :
Why is it everyone avoids discussing weather or not gov.,state, county, city pensions and healthcare for life are entitlements. Calif. pension liabilities are $500 billion alone. A friend I play golf withs wife is a retired county librarian gets $90k per year plus heath care and she's 53. Chances are she will collect her pension longer than she worked. I was self employed and paid 15% in self employment tax for 30 years and paid in through an employer for another 15 years prior, for that I get $910 a month. Get off my back!!

BTW, my medicare and precription entitlement cost us a little over $300 a month. Entitlement my a##.
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ramana wrote:Fears of PRC cutting back its economy are dragging Wall Street down!

I thought the mantra was US$ goes down or devalues (Feds are doing it with QE2) and PRC economy slows down. So why the market is going down? Are there other factors at work?
Ramana ji i was waiting for professor ji to answer that perhaps dozing
but here is an attempt
the Feds quantatitive easing by buying up debt (with printed dollars) has made money cheaper therefore the price of T bills etc have fallen effectively increasing the yield/interest
when this happens there is pressure on industry/companies to declare better dividends or show higher earnings but they cannot do so because consumer spending is still not picked up as they don't have enough disposable income or can not borrow or because of uncertainty in their earning potential to buy goods for companies to report higher earnings therefore the stock prices dip bringing down the Dow
hope this helps not as elegant as professor ji
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Ramay ji that is why
"Wealth is neither created not destroyed it only morphs"
"Wealth like debt only changes hands"
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Below is a part of John Stadtmiller's radio show today, where he plays the clip from CNBC.

My apologies for the crappy quality. If anyone can find a better version of the entire show, please post it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAGZf9Dyj1I

Basically, Rick debates with some shill-bot on CNBC about the Fed and brings up the book "The Creature From Jekyll Island."
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Neshant wrote: Even some here on BR who were earlier arguing with me about money printing, bailout hounding, financing & high rolling and other scam artistry have stated singing a different tune. I really feel like dredging up some of their earlier messages and holding their feet to the fire on this one but I'm short on time at the moment.
haha I was thinking the same thing. Reminds me of this video I saw a couple years ago.

[youtube]z3WjgKUf-kA&playnext=1&list=PL5599598E8E0937AD&index=47[/youtube]
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Martin Wolf in FT trying to call PRC's bluff

Recommended read, IMHO.

Some excerpts:
Publicly, surplus countries persist in calling on those in deficit to deflate themselves into economic health. The consequences of this folly are now evident in the eurozone. At the world level, the US will never accept it. But, beneath the radar, something more productive may be emerging.
Oirope ran down austerity lane nudged firmly by a surplus germany with dis-ass-terous results for peripheral pipsqueaks - Ireland, Portugal, Latvia, Greece and the like. Deflation of the austerity variety ECB is prescribing is poison only, IMHO, at the street level. Now EU is taking off the gloves to force Ireland to swallow another 'Irish bailout' of some 122 billion euros. Why should the Irish say no to a bailout, you may ask. Well, because in reality it is a bailout of the continental banks that hold Irish debt.

This is also the reason why France quietened down and is now following Berlin's lead - because French banks are among the largest bondholders ( to the tune of several 100s of billions of euros) in the peripheral pipsqueaks.

IMO, the aam aadmi of the deflating economies must rise up, poverthrow their gubmints in a jeehardy revolution (like Iceland did) and take back their future into their own hands. Default is not the end of the world, like Argentina and Russia can attest. The commoners saving and slaving away for the benefit of neo-colonial foreign banks? wah re duniya!
The Federal Reserve is not purchasing foreign currency, but domestic bonds. It is doing so in order to sustain the domestic economy through deleveraging. True, such a policy is likely, other things being equal, also to lower the external value of the currency. But this is desirable. The US is a classic example of internal and external imbalances – high unemployment and a structural current account deficit. Textbook economics suggests that a depreciation of the real exchange rate is the right response. A depreciation of the nominal exchange rate is the least painful way to achieve this outcome.

Yet, unlike the US, China is indeed “printing money”, in order to buy foreign currency and protect external competitiveness. By September 2010, China had accumulated $2,648bn in foreign currency reserves (close to half of gross domestic product). In his remarks in Seoul, Hu Jintao, China’s president, called on the leaders to be committed to “the effort of opposing all forms of protectionism and removing existing trade protectionist measures”. Yet his own country’s currency policy surely comes under the category of “all forms of protectionism”. As the proverb goes, people who live in glasshouses should not throw stones.

The big economic point, however, is that the world needs to manage a post-crisis adjustment, in which capital flows turn around. In essence, this is a real, not a monetary, process. The rich countries cannot productively absorb the flow of capital that used to flow from poor ones. Indeed, they never could. What could not go on now has to change.
Excellent. Sri Wolf knows his stuff and writes measurably, unlike polemics, alarmics and other flavors I do find around quite a bit, and occasionally savor.:)

Read it all, only.
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It will be interesting to watch what happens when public sector pensions go boom. Will the federal reserve start quietly buying up municipal debts and monetizing it. If so it will be a double whammy for the old retired workers in the private sector.

They have to rely on their savings instead of dipping into some else's pockets for their pensions as public sector retirees do. Plus they get ass raped by 0% interest and high inflation due to money printing even while the fed publishes fake inflation statistics to understate the real rate of inflation.

If you are a banking crook parasitizing the real economy or a public sector union sucking the blood of the private sector, you got it good. But don't expect it to last.

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SUPER-SIZED PENSIONS, AND A DOOMSDAY SCENARIO

http://redtape.msnbc.com/2010/11/in-new ... ner-q.html
Here's a simple rule-of-thumb comparison.

A 30-year government worker with a final salary of $80,000 could expect an annual pension of roughly $55,000, or about $4,600 per month for life, under the current scheme.

To earn that kind of guaranteed monthly income, a 401(k) saver would need $1 million in their retirement account, assuming $100,000 in savings can generate $400 in monthly income.

While it's not impossible to grow a 401(k) to those lofty levels, it is rare. In fact, 50 percent of Americans who have 401(k) accounts have less than $35,000 in them. Contrast that with our 30-year government workers who can all expect predictable pension checks.

So expect a furious battle as state governments attempt to reign in pension costs.
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Neshant wrote:... Even some here on BR who were earlier arguing with me about money printing, bailout hounding, financing & high rolling and other scam artistry have stated singing a different tune. I really feel like dredging up some of their earlier messages and holding their feet to the fire on this one but I'm short on time at the moment...
'... forgive them, for they know not what they do [not know]' -- Jesus :)
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Will appreciate if any diggaj could throw light on how much the Indian financial system kowtows the mafia Western system, if at all? How much are our own regulatory systems in control?
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Hari garu
you forgot to mention that Germany and France are playing the role of Feds for Europe
whilst there will be deflationary pressures all over Europe except in Germany and France where there will be inflationary pressures
more than Greeks Irish taking to Strega the Gauls and Huns will be on rampage

of course I am but a certified Moron
honestly corrupt to the c(r)ore
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^^^Thou art regal only, chivaz garu.....

Meanwhile, Mish continues pontification on the desperate oiro need to "help" Ireland via an IMF bailout....
In case you were wondering about why there is intense pressure on Ireland to accept a bailout from the EU and the IMF, look no further than the fact that European banks have $650 billion Exposure to Ireland.

Nonetheless, in a clear backhand slap in the face to Ben Bernanke, Germany’s Economy Minister says "the European Union cannot throw money from Helicopters". Let's explore this messy situation with a peek at a couple of articles.
Here's the wsj take...
European Bank Exposure to Ireland Explains Bailout Push (WSJ)
All told, European banks were sitting on more than $650 billion of exposure to Ireland as of March 31, according to the Bank for International Settlements.

The U.K. banks are the international lenders with the most at stake. As of March 31, the latest data available, the banks had exposure of about $222 billion to a variety of Irish institutions, according to BIS. That's about one-fourth of the world's exposure to Ireland. About $42 billion of the U.K. banks' exposure is in the form of lending to Ireland's battered banking sector.

German banks aren't far behind the U.K. They had a total of almost $206 billion in exposure to Ireland, according to the BIS, including $46 billion of exposure to the country's banks.
More... from the NYT this time.

New Push for Ireland to Consent to a Bailout (NYT)
As Ireland tried to fend off pressure to accept a bailout on Tuesday and other European nations raised objections to participating in a rescue plan, Europe again found itself confronting a crisis of confidence in the euro and, ultimately, in its ability to manage its economic problems.

A very public struggle over how to grapple with the latest market unease over the fiscal stability of several European countries illustrated the touchy questions of sovereignty and difficulty of reaching consensus that have kept Europe from reacting quickly. The latest episode also raises questions about tapping an existing bailout fund that Europe created earlier this year to prevent a debt crisis in Greece.
Pious BS onlee. Ire-land is under pressure coz the oiros wanna bailout their banks with borrowed money that the Irish taxpayer has the privilege of repaying down the line. Ain't that cute?

No wonder the oiros raise a stink and their brows high at the mere mention of QE in unglisaxonia. Coz someone somewhere in the periphery soon is gonna ask their asses to print like crazy too. Why the heck not anyway? Both unkil and cheena are printing faster than ever anyway.


oh, OK, here's the money quote from Mish babu...
The other countries in the EU do not give a rat's ass about Ireland. All they really cares about is $650 billion in loans on the books of UK, German, French, Italian, and Spanish banks.

The US is of course the third most interested party and will no doubt apply pressure on the IMF to apply pressure on Ireland to accept some sort of bailout.

Ireland is sitting on a pile of cash. That cash will last much longer if Ireland defaults and that I believe is just what Ireland should do.

The IMF may be prepared to "Help" but I repeatedly ask and answer whether or not it can do any such thing in IMF Ready to "Help" Ireland; Can the IMF "Help" Anyone?

The short answer is for Ireland to tell the EU and IMF to "Stuff It".

Every country for itself. There is simply no reason for Irish citizens to bailout UK, German, French, and US banks.
The knives are coming out. In historical time. i.e. in hajaar slow motion. Won't happen overnight or even overday tomorrow, if thats what you're wondering.

What's more, when the knives do come out, everyone'll discover to their deep consternation that all the knives are 'made in china' only.... :mrgreen: :D

Jai ho and all that.
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Meanwhile, the first of what may well be a slew of BKs is happening as we speak....innocuously in page 3 away from the dreadlines...

Hamtramck seeks state permission to file for bankruptcy
The city of Hamtramck, desperate for cash, has asked the state for permission to take an unprecedented step: filing for bankruptcy.
{Unprecedented? For whom? Vallaho calif, anyone?}

City Manager Bill Cooper said the city of roughly 20,000 people is staring at a $3 million deficit, fueled by a dispute with Detroit. Unless Hamtramck files for bankruptcy, it won't be able to pay its nearly 100 employees or 153 retirees, he said.

Many Michigan municipalities are under severe financial pressure following a crippling recession that has seen tax revenues plummet. The Detroit Public Schools considered bankruptcy last year but opted against it.

Caleb Buhs, a Department of Treasury spokesman, said the department received the letter Monday and officials are studying it. Under a 1990 law, only an emergency financial manager appointed by the state can take a city into bankruptcy, he said. No Michigan municipality has declared bankruptcy before or since the law was passed, he said.

Bill Nowling, a spokesman for Gov.-elect Rick Snyder, said Snyder is monitoring what he believes is a growing problem in Michigan.

"The issue right now is to get a handle on exactly how many municipalities out there are at the point where Hamtramck is," Nowling said. "There are probably several that are sitting on the bubble."

Nonunion employees have taken a 5 percent pay cut and are paying 15 percent of the health care premiums for spouses and families. The union employees have not agreed to those provisions, and Cooper said a bankruptcy filing could help "force the unions to the table."

In his letter to the state, Cooper said the city has approached the police, fire and municipal unions on several occasions and won only minimal concessions. Moving "quickly to bankruptcy," Cooper wrote, would allow the city to "set aside" the current union contracts and solve the budget problem.

"While this step may seem radical in its approach, it is the only approach that will quickly and effectively allow us to address our shortfall," he wrote.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown (Jan 26 201

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I now understand KS garu's statemennt that wars of future will be economic only. In fact the whole focus has shifted from the strat forum where the talk of geopolitics etc has taken a back seat. What we are seeing is warfare of the economies. Its fianancial conquest going on in the advanced economies for which traditional militaries are ill suited.

EU and US needs a new Financial NATO.
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Welcome one and all to the machinations of the new world order!
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prad wrote:
i believe it was acharya who used to say that London controls lot of former commonwealth/empire financial situation. i considered it a conspiracy theory. but i'm still learning.
London is the first place the international financial system was built and that is where the buck stops.
Any rebuilding of the global structure will have to start from that city. Before that the Bretton Wood has to be rolled back and control transfered to the original empire.

A 2008 visit by a friend to London saw him talking to an old British WWII veteran. With gleaming eyes he said US was no longer a super power. That generation still has memories before US toke over the mantle and they are glad it is over.

History of finance is explored by
ASCENT OF MONEY is based on Ferguson’s best-selling book The Ascent of Money: A Financial History of the World, which predicted the current economic crisis and was released within weeks of the meltdown of sub-prime loans.

Said Ferguson, “In the midst of a major economic depression, it is often hard to appreciate the historical precedents and truly understand that while a situation may look dire, our system of finance, banking and trade has allowed for unprecedented progress. I’m hopeful the film will allow viewers to better understand the on-going evolution of our financial system and how our economy remains extraordinarily viable even as we are grappling with a crisis of historic proportions.”

For millions of people, the recession has generated a thirst for knowledge about how our global economic system really works, especially when so many financial experts seem to be equally baffled. In ASCENT OF MONEY, economist, author and historian Ferguson offers insight into these questions by taking viewers step-by-step through the milestones of the financial history that created this system, visiting the locations where key events took place and poring over actual ledgers and documents — such as the first publicly traded share of a company — that would change human history. Ferguson maintains that the history of money is indeed at the core of our human history, with economic strength determining political dominance, wars fought to create wealth and individual financial barons determining the fates of millions.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/ascentofmoney/
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http://biggovernment.com/cstreet/2010/1 ... e-is-over/
China’s Economic Miracle Is Over
China funded the largest economic stimulus programs in world history from July of 2009 through June of 2010. As a percentage comparison to the U.S. stimulus plan; the Chinese spent twice the amount of money in half the time. China focused their stimulus on encouraging production, whereas America’s stimulus went to consumption. It now appears that the Chinese produced a huge portion of the consumer goods Americans bought with their stimulus dollars. Consequently, China’s unemployment rate fell to 4.2%, whereas the U.S. unemployment rate rose to 9.6%. Unfortunately for China, their stimulus success has also sown the seeds of their economic demise. A vicious combination of inflation and a strengthening currency is about to end the Chinese economic miracle.
Over the last fifteen years, China’s economy quadrupled; while the U.S. doubled and Japan had no growth. The graph below demonstrates China has not taken advantage of its success to develop competitive domestic manufacturing. The Chinese export “miracle,” as shown in yellow, is still due to U.S. and Asian manufacturers outsourcing their low-tech “processing” of component assemblies to benefit from China’s low effective wage rates. China continues to run a small deficit in “ordinary” finished goods manufacturing and a larger deficit in the “other” category of services.
Several recent academic studies have determined that, every 10% appreciation of China’s currency, would result in a 17% reduction in China’s processed exports. Estimates of how much the Chinese currency would rise in value if the Chinese government allowed it to float, range from 10% to 40%. Therefore, a free floating currency could increase China’s unemployment by 40 to 160 million!
China’s economic miracle allowed the country to become the second largest economy and the largest exporter in the history of the world. This miracle continues to be grounded on the third world economic model of providing foreigners impoverished peasant labor at the lowest effective cost. High unemployment in the rest of the world is driving labor costs down, whereas full employment and high demand are driving China’s labor costs up. Rapidly growing inflation will soon force the Chinese to allow their currency to appreciate. China is not prepared to handle hard economic times. The government has kept its tax rates very low by not providing social services. As inflation and unemployment rise, China’s economic miracle will be over.
( Nothing new info for many in BRFites except the comments on the article. One thing for sure, the economic rise of India will be much balanced and solid as well "interesting" )
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Two news reprots:

1) Feds order new stress tests for Banks.

2)US Heading for stagflation?

Lots of charts in second article.
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I guess its banner day for Acharya. He has prad here and another member in Strat forum acknowledging his skills!

meanwhile RamN sent by e-mail...

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2010/1 ... s-goldman/
Goldman: watch India’s current account
November 16, 2010 11:21am
by Stefan Wagstyl

With so much enthusiasm now surrounding the India investment story it is worth keeping an eye open for what might go wrong. Many point to inflation. But Goldman Sachs in a report on Tuesday warns that it is the growing current account deficit that needs watching.

India has been here before, of course, in the 1991 balance-of-payments crisis. But that was in a different era of its economic development. Today’s India is far stronger and better-protected from external shocks. But, as Goldman says, policymakers need to take care - as do investors.

Goldman spells out its concerns in five bullet points:

* India’s current account deficit is rising at a rapid pace. We believe it could widen to 4% of GDP in FY11 and further to 4.3% in FY12, its highest ever level.
* The deficit is being increasingly financed by short-term capital, rather than FDI, which is enlarging short-term debt and raising external vulnerability.
* We flag the deterioration in external balances as the biggest risk to India’s growth story, and one that investors should follow closely.
* That said, gross international reserves currently remain sufficient to cover temporary reversals of capital.
* We think the likely policy response will be to continue to tighten fiscal and monetary policies, and prevent any temporary sharp appreciation of the INR.

The authors take a generally positive view of India’s economic prospects and say they are flagging a risk rather than warning of a “clear and present danger”. However, for policymakers and investors alike, the references to 1991 make sobering reading:

The risk to the economy is of a boom-bust cycle reminiscent of emerging markets in the 1980s and 1990s. Strong domestic demand is leading to high and increasing demand for imports, and reliance on short-term inflows to finance it. A surge of capital chasing growth and yield could exacerbate already high asset and commodity prices, and lead to further real exchange rate appreciation. This could lead to a further loss of competitiveness, while the easy capital encourages higher imports, further increasing the current account deficit. If capital flows were to reverse for an extended period due to risk aversion, it could lead to a sharp sell-off in the currency, bond, and equity markets driving yields higher, causing a liquidity crunch and a sharp decline in output.
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I'm a little hard of hearing in one ear so I tend to lip read.

I was able to discipher the witch in the background whispering the words "Don't Say Sh&t" into the ear of the Inspector General of the Federal Reserve when she was being questioned.

Fast forward to 1:45 into the video and watch her lean forward and say it.

That aside, its astounding how clueless the woman being questioned is. I wonder what she does all day at the Fed as Inspector General to earn her 6 figure salary.

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I guess its banner day for Acharya. He has prad here and another member in Strat forum acknowledging his skills!
On what basis just by posting a fractional part of some internet blog or writing.

Let the poster come with analysis facts and a little ban(ner)!.

Me two has posted many a theory with out the C.

I met a first war of independence guy who said India will gain freedom both physical and economic with m(ao) ist eye

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Unless ofcouse the professor has shared some information with select individuals....
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A small newbee question. US has decided to pump US$ 600 Billion in QE2. Has all this money been pumped or will be pumped in stages? What is the timeline and stages?
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Check this out
http://christianfinancialconcepts.com/Home.htm

http://christianfinancialconcepts.com/_ ... lay_Money/
The History Of Money: From Real Money To Play Money
By Greg Halloway


When the United States was founded, extreme financial discipline was the rule, not the exception. If the nation did not have the money to acquire an asset or construct a project, it did not spend the money. How quant this concept would seem to our politicians today, who don't seem to understand the meaning of the term "fiscal restraint." Today, the US buys whatever it wants, whenever it wants, and simply "borrows" the money. If the US wants something it buys it with absolutely no regard to what borrowing all this money will do the country.

From the founding of the Republic until 1933, a period of 157 years, there was basically no inflation in the US. How was this possible? Very simply, it was because the US currency was gold and silver. Gold and silver do not fluctuate in value in relationship to their buying power. On the other hand, currencies that are not backed by hard assets such as precious metals (called "fiat currencies") fluctuate in value relative to their buying power; we call this inflation.

1933 was a defining moment in US history that forever changed the nation from a great financial power to the world's largest debtor nation. In a desperate bid to end the Great Depression, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt ("FDR") signed into law, without a vote in Congress, the single most important financial document in the history of the United States. He took the US off the gold standard that had backed the US monetary system since the founding of the country. This allowed Roosevelt to finance the massive public works projects dubbed "The New Deal" with borrowed money. FDR had just "invented" modern inflation.
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Two Charts That Show A Terrifying Similarity Between The US And Japan
Two great charts posted at PragCap today, the first shows the timing and duration of the stock market rally as measured against QE announcements in each country:

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Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/qe-and-t ... z15bu5oBok
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All these prognostications miss the prime fact that the US population is still growing. In fact it is probably the only developed country that could easily quadruple its population for the land it has. Think about that a 1.5 Trillion person US. :eek: :eek:

Right now the growth rate is about 1%. When the economy improves it will spurt to 1.3% at least as the repressed baby 'demand' booms. What this means is the US is adding 4 million people every year. Or a country the size of France every ten years. A country the size of Japan every 20 years. More if you include illegals which is still a positive flow. Already the 3 year recession has created a suppressed demand from about 15 million people, many under-employed. You don't sit around unemployed in the US. Everyone finds something part time to do.

Don't write them off just yet. Despite the deficit I suspect financially the US will come out the strongest from this recession, compared to Europe. Even Germany carries a debt of 80% of GDP IIRC.
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ramana wrote:meanwhile RamN sent by e-mail...

This is where things like the nuclear deal comes into play. The current account deficit is fueled by energy imports, which will become increasingly dear as the economy grows. Internal consumption does not help here because the imports have to be paid for with foreign currency. China is insulated from this because exports are such a big part of its economy.

I think India needs to start deploying electric vehicles, solar net metering and other fuel substitution technologies to hedge against this risk. Of course, if Indian oil and gas deposits can be exploited, that would eliminate this risk too.
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Knight Research' Stunning Call: "The Game Is Over"
the game is over. Presently, we believe that the broad-based resurgence of investor confidence in the emerging market and secular bull market in commodities will end badly; proving that the rally which commenced in Q2 2009, was in fact an “echo bubble” facilitated by massive—and unsustainable—stimuli from the Chinese Government
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We believe that the end of the Great Consumer Credit Cycle and the vast structural differences in the terms of trade between the United States, the EU, and China, have finally caught up with the secular bull thesis on Emerging Market and Commodities. Quite ironically, the Fed’s aggressive policies will likely prove to be the catalyst which breaks China’s unbridled expansion of credit and non-economic growth, ushering in a wholesale rebalancing of risk assets.
Alternative to Plaza Accord?
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prad wrote:...
i'm starting to sound more and more like Glenn Beck. it's probably b/c i'm starting to really believe it when he says that we should stock up with extra food, bullets, and clothes right now for a long time to come..... and i wonder why people who are talking about hyperinflation are called "conspiracy theorists."
The Demonising of the term "conspiracy theory" had been done purposefully by the establishment over the years, using the controlled media, so as to tag all viewpoints uncomfortable and dangerous to the establishment's agendas as belonging to the loony fringe. This mind-game has worked wonderfully over the years. Just notice how people parrot the mainstream and dismiss even weighty alternative views as conspiracy theories, smug in their belief in the false paradigm.
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