Perspectives on the global economic meltdown (Jan 26 2010)

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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown (Jan 26 201

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Prem wrote:Two Charts That Show A Terrifying Similarity Between The US And Japan
Inflation is surging in the US. Fake CPI statistics claiming deflation are being put out by the federal reserve to justify more money printing and bailouts for banking crooks who made bad bets on real estate. Things people buy like food & fuel are excluded while housing which was and still is way over price is thrown in to the measurement.

Look at shadowstats.com for the real inflation stats and quit relying on bogus federal reserve statistics. For them it will always be deflation until their private banking cartel can offload overpriced real estate gambling bets on suckers.

What the economy needs is deflation so things become affordable. What the economy does not need is some guy having to work 20 to 30 years of his life like a slave to pay for his house or have his purchasing power pissed away by watering down the currency.
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more printing? these days money just shows up and nobody knows where the billions are even coming from or what collateral is even taken in exchange for the loan.

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Irish Central Bank chief foresees 'substantial loan'
Thu Nov 18, 3:50 AM

DUBLIN (AFP) - The head of Ireland's Central Bank said Thursday the country could receive a "very substantial loan" that could run into "tens of billions" of euros as part of an EU/IMF bailout.

With a team of international financial experts arriving in Dublin Thursday, Patrick Honohan said it was his "expectation" that a "very substantial loan, tens of billions" would be made to prop up Ireland's crisis-hit economy.

"It's not my call. It's the government at the end. It's my expectation that that is what is likely to happen," he told state broadcaster RTE Radio.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown (Jan 26 201

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Theo_Fidel wrote:All these prognostications miss the prime fact that the US population is still growing. In fact it is probably the only developed country that could easily quadruple its population for the land it has. Think about that a 1.5 Trillion person US.
Absolutely on dot. The near analogous situation is Indian democracy, just because there is insurgency in the form of naxalism, unruly corrupt politicians, India will not go down, it will limp when its supposed to run marathon.
Same with US economy the foundation is still very very strong....yes the US may have to get used a lower standard of living, in the short term, but just one paradigm change in technology, possibly in the search for substitutes for fossil fuels etc can just like that change the game.

If only the people of US could get used to public mass transport that in itself can bring the world to be a follwer economies rather than leading economies...


".... the king is not dead , but only wounded, long live the king of economies.."
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^^^ FWIW, count me in on those saying unkil is far from a spent force only. Lots of potential and resources and land and some really smart people and a manifest destiny to believe in and walk towards.

However, the current corrupt avatar of the khanomy is better dead than zombie. To paraphrase a remarkable yamrikan adage "We have to destroy the economy to save the economy!"

Only.

So unkil with 5% of the world popln consuming 25% of its renewable resources will end coz its unsustainable, you say? It'll come down to more earthly levels of say 12-15% only, you say? Well, more power to you and let the world be at peace thereafter. Jai hu.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown (Jan 26 201

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Hmmm...A fly caught in a spider's web cannot do much unless it manifests a miracle.
I this case, it can probably only come from a mass civil uprising against the mafia big bankers.
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Hari Seldon wrote:^^^ FWIW, count me in on those saying unkil is far from a spent force only. Lots of potential and resources and land and some really smart people and a manifest destiny to believe in and walk towards.

However, the current corrupt avatar of the khanomy is better dead than zombie. To paraphrase a remarkable yamrikan adage "We have to destroy the economy to save the economy!"

Only.

So unkil with 5% of the world popln consuming 25% of its renewable resources will end coz its unsustainable, you say? It'll come down to more earthly levels of say 12-15% only, you say? Well, more power to you and let the world be at peace thereafter. Jai hu.
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If China is exporting say 80% of goods and US' consumption of Chinese goods to reduce from say (25% of consumption levels to 12-15% = 40-50% decline) then China has ~100% over capacity already in this Chin-Kill relationship. There goes China's future growth.

As far as US is concerned it's trade volume goes down by that much :arrow: Unkil's trade deficit falls 50% in next few years.

China's immediate focus would be on consuming that over capacity internally :arrow: $500B++ economic package. Basically Chinese govt is paying the public to buy Chinese products :P

What does it mean to India?

If at all, at the most India's trade with USA (~$20B?) will go down proportionally to say $10B? Ombaba proposed a == deal to India. You buy $20B of my products (Defense sector) and I will buy your services (ITES). We will be == onlee.

My two inflated paise...
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Internal consumption is the road to Nirvana, and thats whay Gandhi ji said long back and I have been harping too. only then we will be sanction and tarrif proof growth. The great thing going for India is population (bomb)as they say..
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Spinstar garu,

Looking far far into the future...

If everyone focuses on to Internal consumption, there will be less opportunity for economic influence :arrow: Geopolitical influence comes thru military dominance onlee

Govts should maintain fine-balance where Internal Consumption gives social-cohesion while the productivity improvements are meant to earn external influence. Back to basics I guess

- Renewable economy internally (less dependence on external 'resources')
- Trade for exports (import resources and export finished products/services)
- Military Industrial Complex to smooth the economic curves

Is Unkil doing it? Is China doing it? Is India doing it?
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^hmmm... a different way to look at these numbers...

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Theo_Fidel wrote:Don't write them off just yet.
I think that is the wrong conclusion many people who read this thread come to. Discussing the weakening West or America does not mean one yearns for them to go down or have already concluded that they will be written off. Whether East and West wants it or not, there is a global shift - capital and power. Pointing out problems and flaws in India does not mean one is anti-India, similarly if one points the problems and flaws in the West does not make them anti-West or anti-America.

I have said it a few times, in the tough times (and long run) China, USA, Russia, India, Brazil will matter to global equations. In addition a slew of second tier countries like Canada, Australia, Germany will matter. Territories and population are two key factors. One reason why Fiji or Iceland will not dominate or be part of good & bad of global wars and trade.
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Massa wil back economically within a decade as it has lot more naural resources and mature workforce. The open season will be mainly on exporting countries like China, Japan, Korea , Germany etc. Commodity exporting and to certain extent services exporting countries will do ok. The so called "asian' rise wont happen piggy backing the consumers in WEST. Interesting to watch how the economic shfits/ change in economic habits happen in both EAST and WEST. India has the oppertunity to enjoy laddoos in one hand and Rasmalai in other while munching on Samosas .
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ShivaS wrote:Internal consumption is the road to Nirvana, and thats whay Gandhi ji said long back and I have been harping too. only then we will be sanction and tarrif proof growth. The great thing going for India is population (bomb)as they say..
Not really. Increasing internal consumption will need energy imports. These have to be paid for by earnings accruing out of exports or from proceeds from foreign investment. In the absence of increasing exports, the only way internal consumption alone will be sufficient is if sufficient energy is produced internally or if foreign investment keeps piling into the country.
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vera_k wrote:
ShivaS wrote:Internal consumption is the road to Nirvana, and thats whay Gandhi ji said long back and I have been harping too. only then we will be sanction and tarrif proof growth. The great thing going for India is population (bomb)as they say..
Not really. Increasing internal consumption will need energy imports. These have to be paid for by earnings accruing out of exports or from proceeds from foreign investment. In the absence of increasing exports, the only way internal consumption alone will be sufficient is if sufficient energy is produced internally or if foreign investment keeps piling into the country.
Internal consumption also assumes Internal production. Otherwise India will be like today's USA.

As far as energy security is concerned, the road ahead is renewable energy unless someone comes up with cheap/secure nuclear fusion technology (BTW, fission can be renewable if we go thorium route)
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Prem wrote:India has the oppertunity to enoy laddoos in one hand and Rasmalai in other while munching on Samosas .
I strongly protest that you have left out hot steaming cup of chai. I know we have just two hands a mouth, but I urge you to include a good of chai in your description. please.....please.....please.
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SwamyG wrote:
Prem wrote:India has the oppertunity to enoy laddoos in one hand and Rasmalai in other while munching on Samosas .
I strongly protest that you have left out hot steaming cup of chai. I know we have just two hands a mouth, but I urge you to include a good of chai in your description. please.....please.....please.
We shall hire a good humble servant from Poakland to hold the Chai Cup in Jee Hajoor style.
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ShivaS wrote:
I guess its banner day for Acharya. He has prad here and another member in Strat forum acknowledging his skills!
On what basis just by posting a fractional part of some internet blog or writing.

Let the poster come with analysis facts and a little ban(ner)!.

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ShivaS,

Given below is another interesting quote:
I now understand KS garu's statemennt that wars of future will be economic only. In fact the whole focus has shifted from the strat forum where the talk of geopolitics etc has taken a back seat. What we are seeing is warfare of the economies. Its fianancial conquest going on in the advanced economies for which traditional militaries are ill suited.
A couple of years ago when the importance of these economic issues was pointed out on these very pages, the mob was chanting - nothing without a 5MT bum - down with the "traitor" who concentrates on economics.

Anyway a lot is happening behind the scenes and does not make the public news. Reading the discourse here is like watching the priest preach to the choir. :)
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Its reported no where else except in this Russian newspaper so take it with a dose of salt.

However I don't doubt that when national fiat money collapses, there will be moves among central banking crooks to introduce an international fiat currency - which will prove equally as worthless in time. As Jim Rickards has predicted, this new international currency may be the SDR led by the IMF. Hence all the hub bub at the IMF to accomodate China and developing countries with token increases in participation recently - but leaving the same dogs in charge with their larger % of ownership.

The new international currency might be launched with great fanfare with claims its partly backed by gold, oil..etc and 100% safe. But really it will be worthless paper continuously devalued and backed by hype more than anything else. So beware not to be taken in by the hype. Central banking crooks are about to be exposed as frauds. They will be pulling all kinds of tricks to kick this can one level higher so they get deniability and non-accountability for having destroyed living standards and looting the public.

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France aims to set up new currency system - Sarkozy
http://english.ruvr.ru/2010/11/17/34911632.html

France is to use it chairmanship in G-20 to complete the process of creating a new currency system and putting an end to the mess on the international financial markets, France’s President Nicolas Sarkozy said.

Speaking on French TV he said that at the recent summit in Seoul France defined this issue as one of the priorities of its chairmanship in G-20.

Sarkozy is expected to discuss this issue Wednesday during his talks with the IMF’ Chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn.
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Chakkoos are coming out on this IED day.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bernan ... 2010-11-18
Bernanke turns up heat on China currency policy
Slow pace of adjustment has thrown off natural rebalancing
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke put aside traditional central bank niceties and launched a direct attack on the slow pace of China’s steps to strengthen its currency.
In a speech prepared for a conference at the European Central Bank on Friday morning, Bernanke said that China’s decision to undervalue the yuan has essentially thrown a monkey wrench into the global economic recovery. Key Fed members defend QE2 From attacksJon Hilsenrath talks about Fed officials, including Janet Yellen and William Dudley, who say the stimulus plan is an attempt to boost U.S. growth, not weaken the dollar or raise inflation above 2%. The result could be slow growth ahead “for everyone,” he said. Over the past year, President Barack Obama and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner have tried to use a number of levers to get China to allow its currency to strengthen at a faster clip, but to no avail.
For the most part, Bernanke has kept his distance from these efforts, at least publicly. His remarks may give the Obama administration added justification to formally label China as a currency manipulator in its next report to Congress on the exchange-rate market. That report is past due and could come at any time, although some analysts say it might not be released until after Chinese President Hu Jintao visits Washington in January. The leaders’ summit of the Group of 20 major economies in Seoul last week was derailed when foreign governments, including China, openly criticized the Fed’s decision to launch a second round of easing, with $600 billion in asset purchases. Many foreign officials charged the Fed was deliberately trying to devalue the dollar.
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^^^ While its true that China undervalues its currency, the vast majority of destruction visited upon the US economy has been at the hands of Bernanke's own incompetence fiddling around with interest rates and money printing. It highlights the danger of some guy at the top pretending (or fooling himself into thinking) he knows more than the free market about supply & demand.

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Neshant wrote:^^^ While its true that China undervalues its currency, the vast majority of destruction visited upon the US economy has been at the hands of Bernanke's own incompetence fiddling around with interest rates and money printing. It highlights the danger of some guy at the top pretending (or fooling himself into thinking) he knows more than the free market about supply & demand.
Wasn't he the Times Magazine "saviour of the year" or some other bum title like that?
Moreover, I hardly think it is his incompetence. He, or his puppeteers, know exactly what he is doing.
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ramana wrote:I now understand KS garu's statemennt that wars of future will be economic only. In fact the whole focus has shifted from the strat forum where the talk of geopolitics etc has taken a back seat. What we are seeing is warfare of the economies. Its fianancial conquest going on in the advanced economies for which traditional militaries are ill suited.
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IMO, geopolitics doesn't take a backseat or becomes redundant with all this new info pouring in. Just that it all has to be viewed from a changed perspective - which actually involves looking further beyond the politics of nations to exploring the paradigm of a clique of the ultra controllers for whom "all the world's a stage" (who do not have national affiliations), and who will stop at nothing short of socialistic global domination. A throwback to the feudal system where the fiefdoms (aka modern nations states) are managed by the king & nobles (aka NWO elite)
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The economic warefare is actually backed by geopolitical power, without that economic warefare is like a video game. Economic warfare is useful when both parties have bums, which can not be used in that condition.
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ldev>>
Its not a question of either bum or no bum.

We need a bum that protects us from external threats not a fizzle after all the money spent (just imagine if all the BARC work was to be above ground like ISRO), and a honest administration that holds the countries purse strings as custodian but not as an usurper of public funds or treasury.

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apropos Energy, Production Exports and Consumption.

We are providentially well endowed country with regard to energy sources, I don't have to elaborate on that just visit the Oil thread. Regarding production when goods are produced in quality and quantity priced at the correct (market bearing) they will sustain themselves.

who am I ? but a honestly corrupt to the Crore and a certified JEM of a moron
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ShivaS you know you are appreciated even when you are reviled.
Atleast you never play games or shoot from others shoulders.
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A poignant outpouring on Irish debt burdens

Some noteworthy quotes
It is estimated that the banking debt of this nation, which has a population of only 4.6 million, may be substantially more than 100 billion euros. That is 100,000 millions and rising.
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In the months after September 2008, when the Irish government, after a night-long crisis meeting, was forced to give a guarantee of some 400 billion euros — money we had no hope of ever having — to save the Irish banks from collapse, we used to say that it would fall to our children to pay for our financial folly. Now we know that it will be our children and our children’s children and our children’s children’s children, unto the nth generation, who will bear the burden of our debts.
A bit of melodrama in the highlighted part, but still one tends to feel sorry for these poor blokes. To put it into perspective, 100 billion euros of debt means a debt of 21739 euros per person in Ireland.
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japan seems to be in a state of economic decline and growing despondency. the article in the german newsmagzine spiegel is instructive reading in full
Back in the 1980s, Japan was an economic powerhouse and the envy of the world. But there appears to be no end in sight to its current decline, as jobs are lost, pensions cut and companies move overseas. The country's much-vaunted social cohesion is also disintegrating as people find themselves forced to rely on their own resources
What shocked the nation most about the findings was not the fact that records were being kept so poorly, but the realization that so few of Japan's traditional virtues are still in evidence today, and that the country's once-vaunted harmonious society, with its supposed intergenerational solidarity, had fallen into such decline. Japan, formerly Asia's largest economy, has been in the throes of an extended crisis for almost two decades. Growing impoverishment is only one of the symptoms.

The country has become accustomed to a steady flow of bad news. In August, China replaced Japan as the world's second-largest industrialized nation. Tokyo's Nikkei stock index is only at about one-quarter of its all-time high at the peak of the boom in 1989, and this year the index fell by about 15 percent
When the "Toyota shock" gripped Japan more than two years ago, because Europeans and Americans were suddenly buying far fewer Japanese cars, the company laid off thousands of temporary workers. Along with their jobs, the workers often lost the right to live in company-owned apartments, and many returned to their hometowns, where they no longer had places to live.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... -3,00.html
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Christopher Sidor wrote:A bit of melodrama in the highlighted part, but still one tends to feel sorry for these poor blokes. To put it into perspective, 100 billion euros of debt means a debt of 21739 euros per person in Ireland.
Why don't they just say that they don't have money to pay for it, and let everybody take a loss. Ireland had faced several severe crises before, and this one won't be worse than previous one.

Ireland doesn't have a budget issue due to its government spending. It is due to bank liabilities.
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ShivaS wrote:
apropos Energy, Production Exports and Consumption.

We are providentially well endowed country with regard to energy sources, I don't have to elaborate on that just visit the Oil thread. Regarding production when goods are produced in quality and quantity priced at the correct (market bearing) they will sustain themselves.

who am I ? but a honestly corrupt to the Crore and a certified JEM of a moron
Adding salt to cooked lentils (Uppu leni pappu oppadu ruchulaku)...

That industrial production need not include "organized" migration of rural population to urban centers. If technology is good, it can be taken to rural centers. Lets make villages as self-sustaining (interdependent) economic centers with $10-$15M GDP per village (5000-10000 population).
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Funny set of links here
Some geographical and economic clarifications from politicians, officials and commentators:

1. Spain is not Greece – Elena Salgado, Spanish Finance Minister, ~February, 2010.

2. Portugal is not Greece – The Economist, 22nd April, 2010.

3. Greece is not Ireland – George Papaconstantinou, Greek Finance Minister, 8th November 2010.

4. Spain is neither Ireland nor Portugal – Elena Salgado, Spanish Finance Minister, 16th November, 2010.

5. Neither Spain nor Portugal is Ireland – Angel Gurria, secretary-general of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), 18th November, 2010.

6. Ireland is not Greece Vanessa Rossi, senior research fellow in international economics at Chatham House in London, 18th November, 2010.

Glad that’s straightened out. Still to be determined: whether Belgium is Belgium.
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Five Megathemes That Will Dominate Indian Economics Over The Next Five Years

From ZH, a scribd report. Worthwhile read. Perhaps.

Megatheme 1: Structurally high inflation

Supply constraints in India’s manufacturing sector have historically caused core inflation to spike every time the economy expands rapidly (see Exhibit A on the left). Limited access to finance, hard infrastructure deficits and labour market issues have and will prevent timely supply responses in this demand powerhouse thus driving manufacturing inflation higher. Furthermore, a growing and young population with rising incomes will cause food demand to grow rapidly, while supply responses continue to be weak. This supply-demand mismatch will drive food prices higher over the next decade.

High inflation has historically been a negative for stock market returns (see Exhibit B on the left) as it crunches companies’ margins through higher input costs. Financial services’ companies emerge as being the most inflation-immune due to their limited exposure to employee costs as well as to raw material costs. Commodity-driven sectors emerge as an obvious hedge against higher commodities’ prices. IT and other labour-intensive export-facing sectors appear to be the most vulnerable to high inflation as higher domestic wages erode their price competitiveness.

Megatheme 2: the rise of the “aspirational” consumer

As a country’s per capita incomes rise, the consumption basket of its citizens changes away from food (see Exhibit C on the left) and essentials to non-food and aspirational items (such as cosmetics, motorbikes and jewellery). India’s consumption basket has been undergoing just this sort of change. Given the structural drivers of this trend (rising incomes, high share of youth and urbanisation), investors should focus on aspirational product manufacturers vis-à-vis essentials within India’s broader consumption story. Exhibit 25 on pg19 gives a list of aspirational stocks. Exhibit 23 & 24 on pg 19 show the outperformance of aspirational stock vis-à-vis consumer essentials.

Megatheme 3: a capex boom in the making

The experience of India’s Asian neighbours suggests that a high GDP growth rate coupled with the investment:GDP ratio hitting 33% triggers a surge in capex (see Exhibit D below). These trigger points along with India’s infrastructure deficit and the Government’s desire to address this deficit has set the scene for a seven year surge in capex. History suggests that the Indian Capital Goods sector stands to gain most, both from profitability and from a stock price perspective, from this impending surge in capex.

Megatheme 4: The coming of age of financial intermediation

India’s per capita income in PPP terms recently breached the $ 3K and its savings to GDP ratio stands at a healthy 32%. Cross country experience suggests that India’s savings ratio should touch ~40% in FY15(see Exhibit E on the left) and will continue to rise until India’s per capita income reaches $ 8 K (in PPP terms) and will max out only at 46%. :eek: The disproportionate rise in the quantum of India’s savings over the next decade heralds tremendous opportunities for financial intermediaries as the Indian saver looks to channelize these savings into not just bank accounts but into stocks and bonds as well.

Megatheme 5: India will become a hotbed of conflicts

Whilst the ongoing and widespread conflict in central India between the Indian establishment and Maoists generates headlines, we see a broader theme in these stray instances of conflict and expect their intensity to trend upwards over the next decade as inequalities persist.
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Axis of Depression
By PAUL KRUGMAN
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/19/opini ... .html?_r=1
What do the government of China, the government of Germany and the Republican Party have in common? They’re all trying to bully the Federal Reserve into calling off its efforts to create jobs. And the motives of all three are highly suspect. But Ben Bernanke, the Fed chairman, had it right when he protested that this is “just monetary policy.” The Fed is trying to reduce interest rates, as it always does when unemployment is high and inflation is low. And inflation is indeed low. Core inflation — a measure that excludes volatile food and energy prices, and is widely considered a better gauge of underlying trends than the headline number — is running at just 0.6 percent, the lowest level ever recorded. Meanwhile, unemployment is almost 10 percent, and long-term unemployment is worse than it has been since the Great Depression.
No doubt some of Mr. Bernanke’s critics are motivated by sincere intellectual conviction, but the core reason for the attack on the Fed is self-interest, pure and simple. China and Germany want America to stay uncompetitive; Republicans want the economy to stay weak as long as there’s a Democrat in the White House. And if Mr. Bernanke gives in to their bullying, they may all get their wish.
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Stoller: A Debtcropper Society

Excellent piece. Worthwhile read, IMHO.
A lot of people forget that having debt you can’t pay back really sucks. Debt is not just a credit instrument, it is an instrument of political and economic control.

It’s actually baked into our culture. The phrase ‘the man’, as in ‘fight the man’, referred originally to creditors. ‘The man’ in the 19th century stood for ‘furnishing man’, the merchant that sold 19th century sharecroppers and Southern farmers their supplies for the year, usually on credit. Farmers, often illiterate and certainly unable to understand the arrangements into which they were entering, were charged interest rates of 80-100 percent a year, with a lien places on their crops. When approaching a furnishing agent, who could grant them credit for seeds, equipment, even food itself, a farmer would meekly look down nervously as his debts were marked down in a notebook. At the end of a year, due to deflation and usury, farmers usually owed more than they started the year owing. Their land was often forfeit, and eventually most of them became tenant farmers.
Read it all. Gotta stick it up to the man!
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown (Jan 26 201

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U.S. May Be Headed for Downward Spiral, Says Pulitzer Prize-Winning Journalist

Posted Nov 19, 2010 11:00am EST by Stacy Curtin in Newsmakers,
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/us ... VoZWFkZQ--

From the fall of Lehman and rescue of Merrill Lynch, to a housing crash that threw millions from their homes and catapulted the country into a recession, it has been a long two years for the U.S. economy and the American people.

Recovery has been sluggish, but some would argue that things are starting to look up as we head into this holiday season (see Sonders: Building Blocks for Recovery). Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David Cay Johnston, however, says we may not be out of the woods just yet.

Johnson thinks there is room for our economic situation to get much worse before it gets better. He reasons that this country is plagued by too many overvalued assets, chronic unemployment and lots of under-employment -- those who have given up looking for work or are working part-time but desire full-time employment.

Johnston supports his claims to Aaron and Dan with the following:

* Every 34th worker in America who had employment in 2008 went all of 2009 without earning a penny.

* Lots of people own houses worth five, six or seven times their salary, when the rule of thumb is to own property that is 2.5 or three times your salary.

So if "worse" should come to pass, what might that look like? Johnston says we can expect to see more people showing up at food banks, applying for food stamps, and being kicked out of their homes.

In order to course correct, Johnston says we need to focus on the future by encouraging entrepreneurs to innovate and to get “productive economic activity [back] here in the United States.”

Johnston, also the author of Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense, criticizes our free-trade practices as costly arrangements that are not really free, especially with China, but rather “labor arbitrage.”

He says our free-trade agreements have allowed American businesses to “get rid of workers who cost $40 an hour all-in cost and replace them with workers who cost $40 a week all-in costs, including shipping the goods back to America.”

Our huge budget deficit is also major problem. Johnston argues that, if we don’t do something about our budget shortfalls, we risk another major shock to our economy.

In 2010 the U.S. budget deficit is $1.3 trillion, and it will only continue to grow if Congress and President Obama do not take action. To his credit, earlier this year the President started down the road toward fiscal responsibility by appointing a bi-partisan fiscal deficit commission to report budget-reform recommendations by Dec. 1.

But, Johnston says, “the commission is a complete waste of time.” He goes on to say that our representatives in Congress are more interested in standing their ground than coming together in compromise. Partisanship will only hurt the American people, he says.
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Re: Perspectives on the global economic meltdown (Jan 26 201

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Hari Seldon wrote:The disproportionate rise in the quantum of India’s savings over the next decade heralds tremendous opportunities for financial intermediaries
I hope this is not a dinner bell for the expansion of the largely useless banking & financing middleman (more like con man) industry.

The arrival of those folks in any country always heralds the theft of savings. Various AAA rated investment ponzi schemes like insurance & investment firms get setup selling worthless paper for decades until someone discovers its an enron while the CEO flees. Meanwhile the US govt will claim it had no knowledge of it and is not liable.
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^^^No doubt.

Which is why I'm happy to see the mere existence, presence, reach and regulatory support to public sector institutions - banks, insurance firms, MFs and the like flourish and prosper. Their lack of mad-hat profits-this-qtr-at-any-cost rabidity is a huge plus. No wonder aam aadmi trusts them highly over their pvt sector and phoren counterparts.

It's hard to think any country save the UQ type has-beens and tax-sheltering pipsqueaks would allow the kind of free-wheeling gandoogiri the high-finance types indulged in the emerged world only, if they can help it, that is. Time will tell.
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Looks like some sacrificial bakras are being caught to divert media attention from larger mortgage fraud...

U.S. in Vast Insider Trading Probe
Federal authorities, capping a three-year investigation, are preparing insider-trading charges that could ensnare consultants, investment bankers, hedge-fund and mutual-fund traders and analysts across the nation, according to people familiar with the matter.

The criminal and civil probes, which authorities say could eclipse the impact on the financial industry of any previous such investigation, are examining whether multiple insider-trading rings reaped illegal profits totaling tens of millions of dollars, the people say. Some charges could be brought before year-end, they say.

The investigations, if they bear fruit, have the potential to expose a culture of pervasive insider trading in U.S. financial markets, including new ways non-public information is passed to traders through experts tied to specific industries or companies, federal authorities say.
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Hari Seldon wrote:...free-wheeling gandoogiri...

:lol: Oboy Seldon, happy to know that such terms are part of your invention subject psychohistory in the University of Trantor. :D
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shyam wrote:Looks like some sacrificial bakras are being caught to divert media attention from larger mortgage fraud..
Very much possible! Meanwhile, legal firms like Ice Eagle are fighting it out successfully through the legal system on behalf of aggrieved clients (who actually are aware of the fraud) and bringing up the public consciousness on the scam.
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I am not sure how many people in this forum are aware of the internet campaign started by Max Keiser. "Buy one silver coin and crash J P Morgan". His argument is that JPM has oversold the silver contracts way more than what is available and asks people to buy physical silver from the market to prevent JPM from honoring the contract.





ZH reports US Mint Reports Soaring November Month-To-Date Silver Coin Sales Surpass 2010 High Following Massive Rush Into Precious Metal

Whether his campaign works or not, with so many people buying it, price of silver should go up.
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Gold Will Outlive Dollar Once Slaughter Comes
Gold Will Outlive Dollar Once Slaughter Comes: John Hathaway
By John Hathaway - Oct 28, 2010
Bloomberg Opinion

The world’s monetary system is in the process of melting down. We have entered the endgame for the dollar as the dominant reserve currency, but most investors and policy makers are unaware of the implications.

The only questions are how long the denouement of the dollar reserve system will last, and how much more damage will be inflicted by new rounds of quantitative easing or more radical monetary measures to prop up the system.

Whether prolonged or sudden, the transition to a stable monetary system will become possible only when the shortcomings of the status quo become unbearable. Such a transition is, by definition, nonlinear. So central-bank soothsaying based on the extrapolation of historical data and the repetition of conventional wisdom offers no guidance on what lies ahead.

It’s amazing that there is no intelligent discourse among policy leaders on the subject of monetary rot and its implications for the future economic and political landscape. Until there is fundamental monetary reform on an international scale, most economic forecasts aren’t worth the paper on which they are written.

Telltale signs of future trouble aren’t hard to spot. Only a few months ago, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and a chorus of other high-ranking Fed officials were talking about exit strategies from the U.S. central bank’s bloated balance sheet and the financial system’s unprecedented excess liquidity. Now, those same officials are talking about pumping more money into the system to stimulate growth.

Risky Targets

And they’re not alone: Six months ago, the chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, Olivier Blanchard, suggested that raising inflation targets to 4 percent from 2 percent wouldn’t be too risky.

This sort of talk must grate on the nerves of our trading partners, China, India, Russia and others, who have accumulated pyramids of non-yielding Treasury debt. No haven there. Return- free risk may be a better way to put it. And bickering among central bankers over currency manipulation and rising trade tensions doesn’t exactly reinforce one’s confidence in a scenario of sustained economic growth and a return to prosperity.

The prospects for an orderly unwinding of the extreme posture of global monetary policy are zero. Bernanke, Jean- Claude Trichet and Mervyn King, his counterparts in Europe and the U.K. respectively, are huddling en masse upon the most precarious perch in the history of monetary affairs. These alleged guardians of monetary stability, in their attempts to shore up the system, have simply created the incinerator for paper money. We are past the point of no return. Quantitative easing may well become a way of life.

No Freak Occurrence

The consensus investment view seems to be that the credit crisis of 2008 was a freak occurrence, unlikely to repeat. That is wishful thinking. Monetary policy has painted itself into a corner. Based on our present course, there will be more bubbles and more meltdowns.

Financial markets and institutions sense trouble, as reflected in the flight to supposedly safe assets such as Treasuries and corporate-debt instruments with paltry yields, as well as the reluctance to lend by commercial banks. We are stuck in an epic liquidity trap. The irony is, if global central banks succeed in creating inflation, the value of these safe assets will be destroyed. It is a slaughter waiting to happen.

In the pedantic mentality of central bankers, their playbook creates just the right amount of inflation. As inflation accelerates, consumers will spend to get rid of their dollars of diminishing value and spur the economy. Once consumers start spending, it will be time to raise interest rates because a solid foundation for prosperity will have been established, they say.

Slender Thread

But whatever the playbook promises, the capacity of financial markets to overshoot can’t be overestimated. The belief among policy makers and financial markets in the possibility of this sort of fine-tuning is preposterous, but it is the slender thread on which remaining investment and business confidence rests.

The breakdown of the monetary system will be chaotic. When inflation commences, it will be highly disruptive. The damage to fixed-income assets will seem instantaneous. Foreign-exchange markets will become dysfunctional. The economy will become even more fragile and unpredictable.

Gold is an imperfect, but comparatively reliable, market gauge for the extent of current and future monetary destruction. The recent acceleration in the dollar price of the metal to $1,381, a record high in nominal terms, coincided with talk of a new round of quantitative easing and highly visible discord among major nations on trade and currency-valuation issues.

Naysayers’ Bubble

Naysayers point to gold’s price and see a bubble, without understanding that the only acceleration that is taking place is in the rate of decline of paper currency. The Fed is organizing an attack on the dollar’s value, believing that this is the most expedient way to defuse deflationary market forces. The man in the street is unaware, a perfect setup. Inflation can only be successful when the public doesn’t see it coming.

The sudden torrent of commentary on gold isn’t the sign of a bubble. Anti-gold pundits provide a great service to those who grasp this historical moment: They facilitate the advantageous positioning of the one asset most likely to be left standing when the dust settles.
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