LCA News and Discussions

Drishyaman · Post by **Drishyaman** » 20 Nov 2010 18:28

Singha wrote:US will be more than happy to supply used F-solah to vietnam.

unless we have our own engine , there is little chance of exports either in planes or helicopters because the suppliers home countries have similar lucrative products and the decades long service contracts.

or we have to use an engine from a country that does not make finished products - does not exist.

Singha, Unkil will be happy to supply F solah to anyone, even to the Polar Bear, considering the fact that they themselves consider F solah to be obsolete.
Now, the question is if the People of Vietnam will accept the F solah based upon their history with the Unkil.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 20 Nov 2010 18:47

Selling anything of such value to 'Nam will need the political blessing of other democracies in the region.

India already has the blessing of Uncle: "Look East" vs. "Engage East".

However, before India sells a LCA, she needs to make sure it is a product that she herself can use. That will take some time.

What would be of good value is if India provides "training" to the 'Namese. Looks likes 'Nam has offered repair facilities to IN. So, the ball is rolling. Just depends on Chicom how far will this ball roll.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Nov 2010 19:41

vietnam is the new darling of the western capitalist system as a 'cheaper than china' backend factory, with a generous population density to man the assembly lines and a business friendly govt. their economy is reportedly booming.

they also export lots of rice & farmed tilapia and catfish to the USA I think

politically, there is not much issue with the younger generation now coming to power - the memories and the horrors of the older generation exposed to american bombing and chemical weapons will die out .... as it did in Japan and Germany.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 21 Nov 2010 02:40

At 17k cr, Tejas cost zooms 3000%

Tejas, incidentally, has clocked around 1,420 flights with 10 prototypes till date. Its FSED (full-scale engineering development) Phase-I till March 2004 cost Rs 2,188 crore. The Phase-II, to be completed by December 2012, will cost another Rs 5,778 crore. To add to that, there is fabrication of two Tejas Mark-II, with alternate engines, to be completed by Dec 2018 for Rs 2,432 crore, along with development of indigenous technologies for Rs 396 crore. Naval Tejas FSED Phase-I, in turn, is to be completed by Dec 2014 for Rs 1,715 crore, with Phase-II slated for completion by December 2018 for another Rs 1,921 crore.

This comes even as defence minister A K Antony this week assured parliamentary consultative committee on defence that long-delayed Tejas will finally get its "initial operational clearance" in December. The "final operational clearance" is slated for December 2012.

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 21 Nov 2010 03:10

This makes it half the expected cost of MRCA in development budget of LCA only and if 200 LCA (IAF/IN) are built it'll cost another Rs30k corer. Not a tiny budget,

Sandeep_ghosh · Post by **Sandeep_ghosh** » 21 Nov 2010 03:14

canards on LCA?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 21 Nov 2010 03:56

Katare wrote:This makes it half the expected cost of MRCA in development budget of LCA only and if 200 LCA (IAF/IN) are built it'll cost another Rs30k corer. Not a tiny budget,

Whatever the cost may be, LCA program woud keep atleast 80% of the money in India creating local jobs. If $15b purchases save 27000 jobs in USA, how many jobs will be crated in India for the same amount?

What is better option? 250 LCAs along with a full production line for emergency situation or 126 MMRCAs?

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 21 Nov 2010 04:04

Rs 17K Crores is USD 3.4 billion at 1 USD = Rs 50. If we're able to develop a full-fledged fighter at half the budget for a 100 odd foreign fighters, that is a testament to our ability. Besides, being the first (well sort of) leading to development and installation of a lot of infrastructure needed for the aviation industry, I'd say it is money well spent. Especially since it is within the country.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 21 Nov 2010 04:29

Plans for Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 21 Nov 2010 04:36

finally something substantial. time to start that AMCA thread !

if anyone wishes to start a thread on AMCA/NGFA please use the above report as a starting point. also include the other reports from broadsword and livefist.
thanks.

p.s. what poor reporting, 30km operational range ?? what does the reporter think he talking about, a bicycle ?

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 21 Nov 2010 04:37

VinodTK wrote:At 17k cr, Tejas cost zooms 3000%

Tejas, incidentally, has clocked around 1,420 flights with 10 prototypes till date. Its FSED (full-scale engineering development) Phase-I till March 2004 cost Rs 2,188 crore. The Phase-II, to be completed by December 2012, will cost another Rs 5,778 crore. To add to that, there is fabrication of two Tejas Mark-II, with alternate engines, to be completed by Dec 2018 for Rs 2,432 crore, along with development of indigenous technologies for Rs 396 crore. Naval Tejas FSED Phase-I, in turn, is to be completed by Dec 2014 for Rs 1,715 crore, with Phase-II slated for completion by December 2018 for another Rs 1,921 crore.

Guys like Rajat Pandit are a confused lot. I dont understand the reason for the sensational headline. First of all, 4 bil dollars encompasses Tejas mk1 dev, deployment, mk2 dev, naval tejas dev. So there are effectively three programs for the amount quoted by this journo. Earlier all the LCA detractors used to quote technical challenges yet to be surmounted by the team now that all of them are accomplished they are harping on cost aspect.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 21 Nov 2010 05:25

VinodTK wrote:At 17k cr, Tejas cost zooms 3000%

Tejas, incidentally, has clocked around 1,420 flights with 10 prototypes till date. Its FSED (full-scale engineering development) Phase-I till March 2004 cost Rs 2,188 crore. The Phase-II, to be completed by December 2012, will cost another Rs 5,778 crore. To add to that, there is fabrication of two Tejas Mark-II, with alternate engines, to be completed by Dec 2018 for Rs 2,432 crore, along with development of indigenous technologies for Rs 396 crore. Naval Tejas FSED Phase-I, in turn, is to be completed by Dec 2014 for Rs 1,715 crore, with Phase-II slated for completion by December 2018 for another Rs 1,921 crore.

First, the good news, even Tejas-Mk2 cost less than 25 million USD. And that is with engine cost of 8 million USD. If suppose we get our Kaveri engine and if it cost just half the price(am i dreaming

) Tejas-Mk2 cost around 20 million USD. That will be damn cheapo 4+ gen machine available anywhere.

Now time to address the lahori logic of Rajat Pandit. While he like to compare with Gripen development cost, he should have understood that Gripen programme doesnt include engine development like Kaveri. And it must be pointed out that it doesn't have either Naval Gripen programme and Gripen NG is a seperate project that cost around 600 million. Tejas Mk2 is similar to Gripen NG.

This 17k Cr projection combined every thing together inlcuding Kaveri engine dev. cost of Rs 2,839 crore, Naval Tejas Phase I & II cost of Rs 3,636 Cr(1,715+1,921) and Tejas MK2 cost of Rs 2828 Cr (396+2432).

So the development cost of Tejas that should be compared with Gripen is 17,269 - 2839 - 3636 - 2828 = 7,966 Cr.

He himself written that the development cost of Gripen is 12,640 Cr.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 813290.cms

Even Swedish Gripen fighter's developmental cost was around Rs 12,640 crore,'' said an official

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 21 Nov 2010 05:29

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 21 Nov 2010 05:49

The Time of India article mixes sensationalism with serious news. Plus, the cost comparisons posted vis a vis MRCA earlier in this thread, are also incorrect as there is little point in comparing program R&D costs to per unit costs of aircraft and additional services.

Comparing R&D costs, French figures depict Rafale R&D costs to be ~7.2Billion euros, translating to 44,736 Crores. The JSF budgeted costs are for $50 Billion, now expected to be $55 Billion (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... F%20Delay0). Even taking half of these at $27.5B, considering the fact the JSF is stealthy, thats Rs 1,24,836 Crores.

With much of the money going locally for the LCA & contributions to other IAF programs (upgrades of Jaguar fighters, MiG-27 etc), the program has also paid back a lot of the development investment already.

The Tejas program is arguably one of the cheapest programs of its class run any place. The flip side is the trickle feed funding has caused delays earlier, but even there, taking advanced fighters like the EF, Rafale, the LCA's development timeline is comparable, considering the fact that India faced supplier sanctions & is still on track for an IOC/FOC. EF began as ECA (1979), went on to ACA (1982), launched in 1985, with the aircraft flying in 1994 but still in significant trials/ development in 2004 (e.g. three months of Cold Environmental Trials), with development to original standards still continuing with aircraft produced in Tranches 1, 2 with capabilities being added yet.

Another factor is that the LCA has a reasonable level (vis a vis contemporary fighters). Janes notes the IAF Mirage 2000 upgrade will be to Dash-5 standard, which is pretty much on par with the LCA MK1. Both field integrated EW, glass cockpit, modern mechanical scanned array radars, have modern pilot aids (helmet sights) and will likely have similar aerodynamic performance (edge to Mirage being in higher top speed, payload and range, being of a different weight class).

But LCA MK2 as envisaged, with AESA radar, and new armament will be superior to both Upgraded MiG-29 and Mirage 2000s, making it a very potent fighter. It is also interesting to see recent observations by PAF Chief, firmly committing (admitting) that the JF-17 will be reliant solely on Chinese avionics, taking away the possibility of parity in some avionics systems with LCA (with French radars and missiles having been a possibility). The JF-17 is already behind the LCA in basic technology and capability (FBW, advanced systems). All in all, the LCA will be a very useful system, and HAL should explore tying up with an Indian pvt manufacturer to export the aircraft after meeting local needs. Will develop industry and may also assist in marketing/support.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 21 Nov 2010 05:52

Kanson wrote:First, the good news, even Tejas-Mk2 cost less than 25 million USD. And that is with engine cost of 8 million USD. If suppose we get our Kaveri engine and if it cost just half the price(am i dreaming ) Tejas-Mk2 cost around 20 million USD. That will be damn cheapo 4+ gen machine available anywhere.

Now time to address the lahori logic of Rajat Pandit. While he like to compare with Gripen development cost, he should have understood that Gripen programme doesnt include engine development like Kaveri. And it must be pointed out that it doesn't have either Naval Gripen programme and Gripen NG is a seperate project that cost around 600 million. Tejas Mk2 is similar to Gripen NG.

This 17k Cr projection combined every thing together inlcuding Kaveri engine dev. cost of Rs 2,839 crore, Naval Tejas Phase I & II cost of Rs 3,636 Cr(1,715+1,921) and Tejas MK2 cost of Rs 2828 Cr (396+2432).

So the development cost of Tejas that should be compared with Gripen is 17,269 - 2839 - 3636 - 2828 = 7,966 Cr.

He himself written that the development cost of Gripen is 12,640 Cr.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 813290.cms
Even Swedish Gripen fighter's developmental cost was around Rs 12,640 crore,'' said an official

Good points made. Indian development seems to lump all technology development together with one program and allocate costs accordingly.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 21 Nov 2010 06:08

suryag wrote:Plans for Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

ADA was identifying technologies for 6 {+t} {+h} generation combat aircraft.

I burst into laughter imagining what people going to say about the reported 6th gen remark and especially from Shiv.

I'm straightaway sueing for peace with Shiv.

Might be a coincidence(?), Japan home grown next gen fighter programme which is planning to deploy fly-by-light is addressed as 6th gen.

Anyway....let see what they are planning.

Tokyo, Seoul Mull Advanced Fighters

Japan’s defense ministry sees a sixth-generation manned fighter with counter-stealth capability for the 2030s,

One feature, jamming-resistant fly-by-light controls, has been introduced in the Kawasaki P-1 maritime patroller, which first flew in 2007. The ministry believes four more features could be ready by 2030:

•Greater stealth than that of opponents, requiring developments in coatings, internal weapon bays and intake design.

•Next-generation high-power radar that detects and tracks stealthy targets, requiring development of advanced integrated sensors and all-around protection.

•Cloud-shooting, in which the fighters fire missiles using targeting data from other sources—for example, each other and early-warning aircraft.

•A powerful next-generation engine with a slim cross-section and heat-resistant turbine discs and ceramic nozzle.

The engine, radar and stealth technologies are in development and should be ready in 2016-20. The Mitsubishi ATD-X fighter technology demonstrator that will fly for the first time in 2014 will be the testing platform.

The next two technologies would be ready in the 2040s: networking with sensor drones that fly ahead of the manned fighters, helping them remain undetected while detecting stealthy targets; and a directed-energy weapon, based on research that would begin next year, focusing on lasers and high-power microwaves.

What to Expect From Sixth Gen Combat Aircraft

For Sixth-Generation warplanes, stealthy data connectivity is going to be as important as stealthy aircraft. A low-observable aircraft – operating inside the enemy’s ring of anti-aircraft defense – must be able to transmit data to standoff forces without giving away its position.

“Making sure you have connectivity is key, says Maj. Gen. Tom Andersen, Air Combat command’s director of requirements. “If you are stealthy -- and within a denied or anti-access area -- you don’t want to emit energy that will [give away your location]. So we have to concentrate on low probability of intercept or detection [LPI, LPD] type wave forms. Then we have to get it out of that environment so that it can help the follow on forces and support jammers like the non-stealthy Growler. That’s going to be a challenge.”

Improved fifth- and new sixth-generation manned and unmanned aircraft also are being planned to carry wide-area optical and electronic surveillance, explosive and non-explosive weapons and offer an intricate view of the surrounding networks that might affect them.

Also part of the advanced fight formula will be communications, including command and control, that can function even when under network attack.

“We’ve stood up a Sixth Gen Fighter office here, and we’re starting to figure out what those attributes should be,” Andersen says. “Survivability will be huge, so how do you do that – with speed, stealth or some combination? Affordability is critical because $500 million per air vehicle doesn’t do much good [in a tough budget environment].

“If we start right now, 2030 is about the time you get a sixth gen fighter on the line,” Andersen say. “That’s about the time all the F-15s, F-15Es, F-16s and A-10s are programmed to be out of the inventory. At that point all you have is the F-35. I think [Sixth Gen] will have to be capable being [optionally] manned. The cost margin between manned and unmanned is now only about 3-5% delta. We have to be prepared to go either way.”

The new designs will undoubtedly be stealthy for penetrating enemy air defenses. And as long as they are close to key targets, “you would hate not to have an ISR capability,” Andersen say. Moreover, these aircraft need to be linked so they always know where they are in reference to each other and to any enemy threat all the time.

The advanced architecture for connectivity is called the Joint Aerial Layered Network (JLAN). It creates a mosaic for the battlefield with space, airborne and surface layers. And within those layers, the denied and anti-access areas are detailed along with where everybody else can operate.

The equipment on these new aircraft designs will also be innovative. It will, for example, exploit new segments of the electromagnetic spectrum. Also increasingly important will be a translator that transforms an LPI signal to a waveform that can be widely distributed by Link 16. That would avoid compromising stealth and also generate digital information that everyone can immediately use.

Electronic attack, network invasion and generation of high power microwave pulses as weapons will also be part of the formula.

“We’re working the CHAMP joint project demonstration which is a high power microwave [device] in a cruise missiles [at Kirtland],” says Brig. Gen. Dave Goldfein, ACC’s director of air and space operations (A3). “We’re probably about three years from where we will have to transition it from the [joint demonstration program].”

So basically, from Japan and US perspective 6th gen requirements are almost same.

1. Superior stealth than opponent.
2. Counter stealth(with including adv radars, may be Pak-fa/F-35 scores right here, i guess)
3. Cloud shooting/connectivity with LPI/LPD and JLAN
4. Better engine which can supercruise.
5. Energy weapon.
6. Both manned and unmanned flying together with networking.
7. Target date around 2030 & later.

Nothing new, all the concepts are already talked about and attempted. Only question is the maturity of those technology that can be feasible enough and can be fielded in fighters.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 21 Nov 2010 06:25

LiveFist has high-res pics of LSP-5

PIC1
PIC2

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 21 Nov 2010 08:31

Any plans of OLS integration with LCA?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Nov 2010 08:40

DARE did show off a limited FOV desi IRST few yrs ago. so far no sign - not even a dummy housing as seen on pakfa.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 21 Nov 2010 10:27

Is it just me or it looks like they tested DASH HMDS with LSP5?

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 21 Nov 2010 10:29

Good catch..but that may be the DASH or the Top Owl F..it was Lt. Cdr Ankur Jain who flew it and pilots have their helmets fitted for them and considering that the IN recently got its MiG-29Ks with the Top-Owl-F, he might have a Top-Owl fitted for him. But in the past we have seen a pic of one of the single seaters landing where the pilot was wearing the DASH HMDS.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 21 Nov 2010 11:32

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Tejas

The Tejas has a night vision goggles (NVG)-compatible "glass cockpit" that is dominated by an indigenous head-up display (HUD), three 5 in x 5 in multi-function displays, two Smart Standby Display Units (SSDU), and a "get-you-home" panel (providing the pilot with essential flight information in case of an emergency[60]). The CSIO-developed HUD, Elbit-furnished DASH helmet-mounted display and sight (HMDS), and hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) controls reduce pilot workload and increase situation awareness by allowing the pilot to access navigation and weapon-aiming information with minimal need to spend time "head down" in the cockpit.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 21 Nov 2010 11:35

point being ?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Nov 2010 12:12

Apropos nothing - but here's a little titbit. I was searching for info on "clean" and "dirty" configurations and I found a pdf containing technical info - most of which I could not understand - but what I did see was the finding that slinging a weight under the wing of a Tornado actually increased the fatigue life of the wing. The explanation was that the wing was much more stressed (bending up a lot more?) when it had no stores so carrying some weight was beneficial. Maybe that is why the Tejas is always seen carrying a mijjile under each wing?

vardhank · Post by **vardhank** » 21 Nov 2010 12:33

Thanks, Uddu

Singha wrote:US will be more than happy to supply used F-solah to vietnam.

unless we have our own engine , there is little chance of exports either in planes or helicopters because the suppliers home countries have similar lucrative products and the decades long service contracts.

or we have to use an engine from a country that does not make finished products - does not exist.

Well, of course, and there's also the question of other systems. However (while I understand that some countries are more equal than others), if the Gripen, basically a mix of indigenous and foreign-sourced systems, can be sold abroad, why not the LCA? Sure it'll require a bit more cash for such licenses, but the advantages would outweigh that, I think.
Though this has nothing on the fact that we need to have our own engines and radar. No question there.

NRao wrote:
However, before India sells a LCA, she needs to make sure it is a product that she herself can use. That will take some time.

What would be of good value is if India provides "training" to the 'Namese. Looks likes 'Nam has offered repair facilities to IN.

The first part, but of course. This is just looking forward. The second, sure. We should definitely do that.

Another thing. I don't know whether we're already doing something similar, but why not encourage students from countries like Vietnam or other smaller allies, even African ones, to join Indian aeronautical institutes, at reasonable rates, with the caveat that they work in an Indian aerospace firm for 3-5 years? Would help boost manpower and get a lot of brownie points. I would've liked students from Western countries as well, but they'd probably be unwilling to accept our low PSU salaries.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 21 Nov 2010 13:40

Is colour scheme of LSP5 a little bit different ? It looks really good.
Whats that dark grey thing just below the tail in the ground picture ? Also, it looks like the plane used the chute while landing. Orange cap is gone and rope is visible. Shouldn't the colour of cap match the rest of the plane ? An orange cap on a plane will increase it visibility in the blue/grey sky.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Nov 2010 13:43

in service it will be grey....in testing makes it easier to find in the grass by the cleanup crew probably.

rakall · Post by **rakall** » 21 Nov 2010 14:25

jamwal wrote:Is colour scheme of LSP5 a little bit different ? It looks really good.
Whats that dark grey thing just below the tail in the ground picture ? Also, it looks like the plane used the chute while landing. Orange cap is gone and rope is visible. Shouldn't the colour of cap match the rest of the plane ? An orange cap on a plane will increase it visibility in the blue/grey sky.

A fist sized cap a few kilometers away -- visibility?? Naaa..

Even after it enters service, the cap will be high-rez colour so that it can be pickedup easily by the maintainence crew.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Nov 2010 15:58

jamwal wrote:Is colour scheme of LSP5 a little bit different ? It looks really good.
Whats that dark grey thing just below the tail in the ground picture ? Also, it looks like the plane used the chute while landing. Orange cap is gone and rope is visible. Shouldn't the colour of cap match the rest of the plane ? An orange cap on a plane will increase it visibility in the blue/grey sky.

Nowadays the orange cap remains attached to the parachute. I have just such a photo of LSP5 from Sanjay Simha - to be watermarked and put up on BR. I expect Jagan will do it.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 21 Nov 2010 17:20

At Rs 17k cr, Tejas cost zooms 3000%
times of India

India will spend Rs 17,269 crore in the overall developmental programme of Tejas light combat aircraft, which was first approved in 1983 at a cost of Rs 560 crore to replace aging MiG-21s. This represents an almost 3000% jump, as per revised "sanctioned costs" of the entire Tejas programme, including the fighter's naval variant, which will run till December 2018. IAF pilots are, of course, still forced to fly virtually obsolete MiGs since Tejas is yet to be inducted. Latest figures also show each of the first 40 Tejas fighters will cost around Rs 150 crore, over and above the huge developmental cost.

This comes even as defence minister A K Antony this week assured parliamentary consultative committee on defence that long-delayed Tejas will finally get its "initial operational clearance" in December. The "final operational clearance" is slated for December 2012. While Tejas' per unit cost compares favourably with similar fighters like Gripen ( Sweden), its developmental cost — coupled with the fact that it has already been 27 years in the making — is way too high.

Tejas, incidentally, has clocked around 1,420 flights with 10 prototypes till date. Its FSED (full-scale engineering development) Phase-I till March 2004 cost Rs 2,188 crore. The Phase-II, to be completed by December 2012, will cost another Rs 5,778 crore. To add to that, there is fabrication of two Tejas Mark-II, with alternate engines, to be completed by Dec 2018 for Rs 2,432 crore, along with development of indigenous technologies for Rs 396 crore. Naval Tejas FSED Phase-I, in turn, is to be completed by Dec 2014 for Rs 1,715 crore, with Phase-II slated for completion by December 2018 for another Rs 1,921 crore.

Tejas will, of course, also be powered by American GE engines, with its indigenous Kaveri engine floundering despite Rs 2,839 crore being spent on its development since 1989. Towards this, India recently finalised a $822-million deal for 99 GE F-414 engines. While the first 20 Tejas for IAF will be powered by GE-404 engines, next six Mark-II squadrons will have the more powerful GE F-414 engines.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Nov 2010 17:25

There is someone at ToI who is being paid (perhaps via Niira Radia and advertising money) to be scathing about Indian aviation. I am willing to take these words back but I am going to watch ToI carefully.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 21 Nov 2010 18:05

what an absolute moron this rajat pandit is, or should I say paid hack. so 560 crores in 1983 has same value as 17000 crores in 2010 and with 2 new derivative projects added ?

how about inflation rate of INR since that time or the fact that the rupee went at 10 to a $ at the time.
the smear campaign against LCA and in favour of gripen continues using the unscrupulous lowlifes in the media.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 21 Nov 2010 20:22

It is time someone gives a thappad to ToI.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 21 Nov 2010 23:22

shiv wrote:
jamwal wrote:Is colour scheme of LSP5 a little bit different ? It looks really good.
Whats that dark grey thing just below the tail in the ground picture ? Also, it looks like the plane used the chute while landing. Orange cap is gone and rope is visible. Shouldn't the colour of cap match the rest of the plane ? An orange cap on a plane will increase it visibility in the blue/grey sky.

Nowadays the orange cap remains attached to the parachute. I have just such a photo of LSP5 from Sanjay Simha - to be watermarked and put up on BR. I expect Jagan will do it.

Actually, the full sized image posted as a link on the previous page shows the cap attached to brake chute. I had missed it.

koti · Post by **koti** » 21 Nov 2010 23:30

As the time passes by....... I am starting to feel comfortable at the thought that LCA will be capable enough to tackle any of our adversaries aircraft.

christy · Post by **christy** » 22 Nov 2010 04:15

"As the time passes by....... I am starting to feel comfortable at the thought that LCA will be capable enough to tackle any of our adversaries aircraft."

For that India has to invest more into R&D.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Nov 2010 05:44

It is also possible that some of the other MMRCA competitors are smearing the Grippen, because they sense that given the lowest bidder wins proclivity of the MOD, the Grippen might be the leader.

So attack the LCA and leave the dagger with the blood on it at Grippen's door.

The ouiropeans and the massa-landers do play dirty.

But this is a new low for the desi media to be peddling outright lies to try and discredit the LCA (or the other desi made products for that matter).

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 22 Nov 2010 06:22

We have a lot of backbiting gene carriers in our billion.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 22 Nov 2010 06:56

Gagan wrote:
But this is a new low for the desi media to be peddling outright lies to try and discredit the LCA (or the other desi made products for that matter).

Haven't they been doing that for ages?

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 22 Nov 2010 08:33

It's good that LCA is being funded with amounts that make sense and look real. This is a sign of matuarity of the system....

DDM is just DDM.