Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

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Rahul Mehta wrote:
geeth wrote:How can people say the PM is clean? He is as corrupt as others. Only question is, whether he has taken his share of the loot or not.
MMS and Sonia are corrupt and rotten to core, just as former PM ABV was.

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CWG bribes = Rs 40000 cr (over seven years)
2G bribes = Rs 50000 cr (in few weeks)
....

Totals are crossing almost 1 lakh crore a year to 2 lakh crores a year. Let me put my answers to the two obvious questions :

1. who is getting this bribe money's lions share?
2. Where are they stashing this money?

The Nbjpr including PM, super-PM, SCjs etc now 100% slaves. There is now way all these slaves can keep so much rupees.

My take is : American Elitemen are collecting all these bribes in cash or kind, and then they are re-investing in India to take control over real estate, mineral mines, media and also Christianize India. The re-investment keeps Indian economy growing. But the control over economy/polity ensures that India's Military and manufacturing remains weak. So whenever American Elitemen want to take over India, US Military can it with ease. The high growth rate ensures that gullible activists keep believing that everything is hunky dory, and no system change is needed. And when US Military knocks door, there will be no time left to improve Military.
If India lets this bribery go on peacefully, India will become like SoKo - no Military, reasonably good economy, Christianity all over and US-puppies in polity. And if India resists, US will Iraq India.

So situation is much worse than what most BRites and non-BRites think. The beneficiaries of bribery are American Elitemen, not local Nbjprie.

Hate to say but RM may not be that far fetched. I don't think the process of funds transfer can be laid out exactly as above and neither can we determine if it is American Elites or European Elites.
However, there is a high likelihood that the top leadership have been installed by foreign governments to perpetuate their interests. For that they are rewarded with huge kickbacks and monies e.g., A junk deal with the US for $10BN. These guys can get upto 40% of that junk deal as kickbacks. Of the $6bn that goes to foreign folks the real value of what they deliver to India may be in millions thus creating huge value add for their economy & elite. Add to that the fact that India's own defence and other capabilities remain crippled thus perpetuating the cycle.
Another route would be dummy/benaami companies which on the service have Indian ownership but the funds are funneled away to other economies e.g., EMAAR.
Since early 2000's money has been leaving the country. We have a more rabid EIC model in place which is crippling Indian industry and extracting huge value from India - mines included.
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ShauryaT: Is it necessary to drag a particular varna? What value does it add to the discussion?
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SwamyG wrote:ShauryaT: Is it necessary to drag a particular varna? What value does it add to the discussion?
Accurate representation for the word business men, in vernacular. Nothing more, nothing less. I did not mean to be accusing or defensive. Just a view of the fact, expressed.

Why is it an issue/problem? The answer maybe OT.
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Wow, Kani and Raja can talk in English? I thought DMK was all pro-tamil ityadi :-)

The sheer number of conversations being taped in the country? Isn't it troubling? It is good the bad guys are at least being called out; whether they go punished or not, the public opinion about corrupt leaders are confirmed with each passing day.

Somebody mentioned CBI was taping these conversations. On whose authority are all the calls being taped? And why? What is the law in India? Do we need Court sanction or can a politician just order these, or can CBI just do it as part of investigation.
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SwamyG wrote:ShauryaT: Is it necessary to drag a particular varna? What value does it add to the discussion?
:rotfl: No SwamyG. Don't be upset. A lot of these things are referred to candidly and without malice in India. I think we have been too indoctribated to react with horror when varna's communities are mentioned - but really there is nothing wrong. It's all open. "Castes" are Indian tribes - "ethnocultural-linguistic roots" of Indians.

For example you want to buy shares - find out what community the company owners are. Some are out for personal profit - so be wary of unusual movement in share prices. Some communities will not invest in liquor shares. Some communities are useless at business. It's all well known and open in India. No harm in saying it out loud.

We should stop being squeamish about caste/community. It is NOT racist. They are our tribe origins. My caste means my language (often) and my food an my festivals. Screw the morons who misinterpreted that. Sorry OT.
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ShauryaT wrote:Why is it an issue/problem? The answer maybe OT.
Recently a member brought in "brahmins" in a few posts at BRF, it was really not necessary; and he has been warned. Peace.

Shiv: I agree and disagree. It will a bigger OT if I elaborate :-)
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SwamyG wrote:Wow, Kani and Raja can talk in English? I thought DMK was all pro-tamil ityadi :-)
Kanimozhi is a smart woman. Raja is not.
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shiv wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Wow, Kani and Raja can talk in English? I thought DMK was all pro-tamil ityadi :-)
Kanimozhi is a smart woman. Raja is not.
Is that why they had an affair :rotfl: I don't rule out genetics. She seems to be the true heir to MuKa.
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^^^^
That is why she is married thrice and divorced too. One of her ex is a roomate to my aquaintance in Singapore. Imagine she can leave her ex so dry that he has to share an accomadation with a poor Oracle DOO

We have to see if dryness encompasses Raja.
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I vehemently disagree we are not Banana Republic
WE are sure BAHANA (Hindi/Urdu) Republic, no question about that.
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SwamyG wrote:Wow, Kani and Raja can talk in English? I thought DMK was all pro-tamil ityadi :-)

The sheer number of conversations being taped in the country? Isn't it troubling? It is good the bad guys are at least being called out; whether they go punished or not, the public opinion about corrupt leaders are confirmed with each passing day.

Somebody mentioned CBI was taping these conversations. On whose authority are all the calls being taped? And why? What is the law in India? Do we need Court sanction or can a politician just order these, or can CBI just do it as part of investigation.
I do not know whether CBI is tapping the phones now or not.But many of the transcripts that we have seen or heard were tapped by Income Tax dept.Afterwards they were forwarded to CBI.
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In India all the small fries get recorded, ALL. Big deal.

The question is how leaked it. How and when.
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Muppalla wrote:We have to see if dryness encompasses Raja.
MuKa & the Maran brothers were estranged for a brief time; so if MuKa is ready to fight his own "blood relatives", Raja stands no chance - unless he knows some secrets. Which actually is trouble for him. Stalin and Azhagiri fighting helps Kani and other DMK party members. The two brothers are two tainted; so they will have to play second fiddle to their (step)sister. But then if she is shrewd enough, she might work from the party headquarters like Sonia; and have some puppet as a facade.

Decades ago there was a tele-series called "Khandaan" (that drew inspiration from Mahabharatam). Hopefully more info is available on the taping(s).
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The economic effect of this scam could be actually like a govt subsidy. Say the spectrum was worth 176,000 crores more than the selling price, and assume that the govt took 10% as bribe to under-value the spectrum. So the telecom industry was able to set up their infrastructure for 176,000 - 17,600 = 158,400 crores less in capital. With a lower capital expenditure, companies are able to get the Return of Investment even with a slightly lower price to the end-customer. The companies now have more room to engage in price wars and "special Diwali offers".

The net impact is that the Indian customers have been billed a few Rs less than what they would otherwise have been billed. If the capital is usually recouped over 5 years, then 158,400 crores less needs to be recouped over 5 years, i.e. 31,680 crores/year. Say 20 crore cellphone bill-payers are impacted by 2G, that works out to Rs 1584/year, or Rs 132 per month less in phone-bills. Of course, not all the effect of the lower spectrum valuation will be passed on to consumers by the telcos. They will try to keep as much as they can. But assume half was passed on to the public - that is Rs 66/month less in everybody's bill.

So in this case the effect on the mango aadmi is like a (illegal) govt subsidy on cellphone usage.

Rs 66/month extra in the pocket of every cell user won't change Real Estate values, but it may well have an impact on food prices.
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More spicy stuff here.
http://openthemagazine.com/article/nati ... -with-raja


SwamyG garu,


May be this is OT but wanted to ask after reading stuff above.

I understand AP political dealings. It is all about money, caste and few other extreme localized factors pertaining to various regions. I always have this perception that Tamils have certain thresholds of tolerance to "loss of pride". They just wiped out DMK for its support to LTTE after Rajiv's death and they did the same to Jaya after her infamous foster-son marriage. What has really changed the Tamil landscape so much and inspite of seeing the ugliest in-family fights and massive corruption, why in the world DMK is still winning. Is it just the EVM magic? I am simply not getting any clue and it so not Tamil style politics if we read the modern history.
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Paging JEM saar...
ASK PRABHU
India TodayStory
ZEE TV exposed another scam involving Rs 3 lakh crore at Meerut where cantonment land has been given to builders, shopping complex at throwaway price with the collusion of ministry of defence, army officers and officers of the UP government, risking security of the nation, but why was this scam not covered by media in explosive manner? Has our nation become a nation of scams?
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/AskPrabhuStory?Qid=
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^^

Continuing the theme, the financial statement for the scam could look like this :

A) Initial loss to Govt exchequer = Rs 176,000 crores
B ) Amount paid as bribe to politicians = Rs 17,600 crores (perhaps half spent on party election funds, i.e. it reaches the aam aadmi)
C) Additional profit for telcos = Rs 79,200 crores over say 5 years
D) Additional monies in public hands = RS66/month x 12 months x 5 years x 20 crore customers = Rs 79,200 crores

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E) Tax collected by Govt from telcos = 20% of (C) = Rs 15,840 crores
F) Additional cash held by telcos after 5 years = (C) - (E) = 79,200 - 15,840 = Rs 63,360 crores (available for future network upgrades or to pay taxable dividends - it stays in the country as white money)
G) Additional income for aam aadmi = (D) + 50% of (B) = 79,200 + 50% x 17,600 = Rs 88,000 crores (spread across 20 crore people over 5 years)
H) Black money stashed away for personal use = 50% x (B) = Rs 8,800 crores

Check : E+F+G+H = 176,000 crores

So in the macro picture we would see Rs 176,000 crores disbursed from the govt to the nation, the politicians take 5%, aam aadmi gets 50%, telcos get 36%, and the govt recovers 9%.
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Fidel Guevara wrote:^^

Continuing the theme, the financial statement for the scam could look like this :

A) Initial loss to Govt exchequer = Rs 176,000 crores
B) Amount paid as bribe to politicians = Rs 17,600 crores (perhaps half spent on party election funds, i.e. it reaches the aam aadmi)
C) Additional profit for telcos = Rs 79,200 crores over say 5 years
D) Additional monies in public hands = RS66/month x 12 months x 5 years x 20 crore customers = Rs 79,200 crores

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E) Tax collected by Govt from telcos = 20% of (C) = Rs 15,840 crores
F) Additional cash held by telcos after 5 years = (C) - (E) = 79,200 - 15,840 = Rs 63,360 crores (available for future network upgrades or to pay taxable dividends - it stays in the country as white money)
G) Additional income for aam aadmi = (D) + 50% of (B) = 79,200 + 50% x 17,600 = Rs 88,000 crores (spread across 20 crore people over 5 years)
H) Black money stashed away for personal use = 50% x (B) = Rs 8,800 crores

Check : E+F+G+H = 176,000 crores

Raja's father was a laborer repatriated from srilanka.

For raja to have amassed so much at such a young age is a story of ambani like proportions.
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Brad Goodman wrote:Home Ministry official arrested for spying?
An IAS officer working with the Home Ministry was today arrested after raids on his office and residence for allegedly leaking sensitive information.
This officer can be the one who leaked @G tapes.if its him then whole india salutes you sir.
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OT but two more stories doing the rounds on scams:

Lyngdoh PIL embarrasses Congress
By appointing CVC chief who is tainted with corruption, INC played a good move. This was their insurance against future inquiries by vigilance commission. But the move seems to have backfired now.
Former Chief Election Commissioner J.M. Lyngdoh’s PIL challenging the appointment of Central Vigilance Commission chief P.J. Thomas has put the Congress in a tight spot. Lyngdoh heads FAME (Foundation of Advance Management of Election), an NGO which is conducting the Youth Congress organisational elections in different states. The ruling party this week realised the gravity of the situation where the man who is conducting its internal elections is also questioning the government in a court of law.

When Lyngdoh filed the petition on 6 October with seven other retired senior government and defence officials, Congress leaders did not think much of it. However, on Monday, when the Supreme Court, where the PIL is being heard, directed the government to place before it the file relating to Thomas’ appointment within two weeks, the government woke up. Lyndgoh’s association with the PIL further complicated the matter. Sources say that Congress president Sonia Gandhi is upset with Law Minister Veerappa Moily because he did not brief her about the seriousness of the situation. She got to know about it only after Monday’s development in Court.

She discussed the matter at the meeting held before the start of Parliament’s Winter Session, particularly the likely fallout of Lyngdoh’s involvement in the case and the attending embarrassment for the party. The government is worried with the Court directive because while appointing Thomas it had overlooked the CBI’s pending “charge sheet” against him in the palmolein import scam when the latter was Secretary, Food and Civil Supplies, in the Kerala government in 1991-92.“Sonia Gandhi is upset that the Prime Minister’s Office was confident of defending Thomas’ appointment during the discussions that were held before finalising his name,” said a senior Congress leader. “However, the way the case is going in court has shaken her confidence. She has realised she was not briefed fully about Thomas’ controversial track record,” he added.

Rahul Gandhi, general secretary in charge of Youth Congress and National Students Union of India had roped in Lyngdoh to add prestige to these elections because of his impeccable track record and high public standing. However, Lyngdoh’s involvement with the Thomas case remains a mystery for the government. It is said that he is close to BJP leader Sushma Swaraj, who has publicly opposed Thomas’ appointment because of the alleged role he played in scuttling the probe in the 2G spectrum case during his tenure as Telecom Secretary. As a member of the committee to appoint the CVC chief, she had given a dissenting note while strongly objecting to Thomas’ appointment.

As per a Supreme Court judgement, the CVC chief is to be selected by the unanimous decision of a three-member committee headed by the Prime Minister and including the Home Minister and the Leader of the Opposition in the Lok Sabha. However for the first time, the government ignored the opinion of the Leader of the Opposition, Sushma Swaraj, and her written note. This has now become one of the reasons to challenge the Thomas appointment in court.



Another story doing the rounds is scandal by Praful Patel. Lots of info, posting in full from http://aniltyagi.blog.com/

THE Rs 98,000-CRORE LAND SCAM by Praful Patel?
ON the surface, these appear innocuous, unrelated figures: Cost of land at Mumbai and Delhi airports at market value – Rs 98,000 crore; cost of construction of new airports at Mumbai and Delhi – Rs 14,300 crore. But, placed under the microscopic scrutiny of investigative reporting, these numbers bespeak a horror story of how the Ministry of Civil Aviation under Mr Praful Patel brazenly gifted India’s most expensive public real estate to private consortiums under the government’s so-called “airport modernization” programme.
The beneficiaries of these sweetheart deals, which would have been denounced under accountability and anti-corruption laws in most responsible democracies, are laughing all the way to the bank with a Rs 83,000 crore booty. The beneficiaries: GVK Power & Infrastructure and GMR Industries, cleverly disguised in public-private partnerships. The benefactor: Minister Praful Patel.

AAI conducted no price survey or evaluation of the land before entering into identical agreements with GVK and GMR.


In January 2006, consortiums led by GVK and GMR and comprising Airport Company South Africa and Bidvest and other allied companies were awarded the work to operate, develop, design, construct, upgrade, modernize and manage Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport (CSIA) and Indira Gandhi International Airport (IGIA) on land owned by the Airports Authority of India.
The details, as pieced together by gfiles, add up to a sordid tale of nepotism and a fraud on the public treasury perpetrated bald-facedly by Mr Patel and conniving senior officials in the teeth of serious reservations voiced on the record by dissenting officials who believed that the public interest was being sacrificed at the altar of vested interests out to make a free killing.
Consider the following facts:

Shockingly, the owner of this invaluable land (the per unit value of which is possibly the highest in the world) – Airports Authority of India (AAI) – conducted no price survey or evaluation of the land before entering into identical agreements with GVK and GMR. At the time, the land was being used on lease by the National Aviation Company Ltd (NACIL), formed after the merger of Air India and Indian Airlines in 2007. Even more shocking is the fact that when the new airport comes up at Navi Mumbai in 2014 and the existing CSIA becomes redundant, GVK will become the owners of this land automatically as per the Companies Act. Surprisingly, there is no mention in the agreement with Mumbai International Airport Pvt Ltd (MIAL) of whether the company will be dissolved and the land will be repatriated to AAI.
Had the land evaluation been carried out by experts and the land sold or even given on lease to GVK and GMR, the revenues generated could have easily wiped out the entire debt of the merged IA and AI, instead of burdening the national exchequer with a Rs 50 billion bailout plan.
MIAL and DIAL (Delhi International Airport Pvt Ltd) are joint-venture companies owned by the GVK- and GMR-led consortiums, respectively, each with 74% share while Airports Authority of India has 26% share. Formed in March 2006, MIAL and DIAL were to operate, manage and develop CSIA and IGIA, respectively. By this simple incorporation of MIAL and DIAL with AAI as a minority shareholder, GVK and GMR de facto became the instant owners of India’s prime landed property at Mumbai and Delhi. All that GVK and GMR had to do was shell out a trifling $1.2 billion (Rs 5,500 crore) and $2.6 billion (Rs 8,080 crore), respectively, for construction, development and management of these airports.
Under this land transfer arrangement to MIAL and DIAL, GVK and GMR earned instant assets of Rs 83,000 crore. Land value: Rs 98,000 crore. GVK and GMR investment: $1.26 billion and $2.6 billion, respectively, totalling Rs 14,300 crore. Not only were GVK and GMR able to pump in the $1.26 billion and $2.6 billion of their commitment from this asset that fell like manna, they also began amortizing its outlay through lease fees and operational costs charged to different airlines.

The alacrity and rapidity with which the deals were allegedly consummated by Mr Patel probably set a record.
The alacrity and rapidity with which the deals were allegedly consummated by Mr Patel probably set a record in the annals of ministerial and bureaucratic decision-making in India where papers do not move for months. The Rs 83,000- crore bonanza scheme for GVK and GMR was rammed through in record time. Those present at the first meeting on October 4, 2007 to implement the whole idea were the Joint Secretary, KN Srivastava, Chairman, Airports Authority of India, K Ramalingam, CMD, NACIL, V Thulasidas, the Secretary, Civil Aviation, and representatives of MIAL and DIAL. The proceedings of the meeting (of which gfiles has a copy) were pre-orchestrated. With minor suggestions/objections, all discussions went as per the Minister’s wishes. The GOI’s safeguard tools (read bureaucrats) were in mute mode.
GVK Group, builders of Mumbai International Airport
“Acentury ago, Jamshedji Tata was like me. But, I cannot say I will become like the Tatas tomorrow. It takes time to grow. If we have ambition, the sky is the limit,” said GVK group chairman GVK Reddy. He started his career at the age of 22 as a small-time contractor building the Nagarjuna Sagar-Srisailam canal works. Today, at 76, he owns an empire of over $5.24 billion (Rs 25,000 crore). GVK reckons that the Mumbai International Airport is the most difficult airport to build as it has only 2,000 acres of land, unlike the newer airports which are much bigger in area. His company’s board of directors consists of Abid Hussain, former Indian Ambassador to the US, G Krishna Murthy, Sanjay Narayan (Joint Secretary, Ministry of Civil Aviation, when the airport planning and sanction meetings were on), KN Shenoy, P Abraham and Pradip Baijal.
Among the few conscientious objectors was the General Manager, Legal, Air India, TN Kumar (now deceased). He had initially penned adverse comments on the file. In addition, a year after the deal was inked, he emailed Executive Director R Harihar (06.06.2008) to point out that the language of the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) was cleverly weighted against the interests of NACIL. The draft MoU stated, “Parties have agreed that a Master Plan is to be developed to accommodate all Existing NACIL facilities at Old Airport, New Engineering Complex and other locations at Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport (CSIA), for this purpose areas of the various existing facilities shall be mutually finalized between the parties and the Architect to be appointed and paid by MIAL. Areas shall be rationalized without affecting requirements of NACIL as per Master Plan of NACIL.”
Kumar pointed out that there should have been mention of specific areas and, as decided by the CMD, future requirements for the next 10 years should have been configured. He added: “Airport development needs to be defined. This term is so vague that it could include the best facilities for our competitor airlines at favorable locations to those airlines and again to the detriment of NACIL. Airport development can be the taxi ways or essential operational requirement.” Nobody listened.
But Kumar was no quitter. He further pointed out that NACIL had never agreed to the relocation of the existing simulators, yet this had been conceded and presented as a fait accompli. Who authorized this extra-legal benefit that went against the interests of India’s national carrier?
GMR Group, builders of Delhi International Airport
GMR Industries was set up in 1978 and was the brainchild of its present Chairman, Grandhi Mallikarjuna Rao. GMR Industries is among the fastest growing companies in the Indian economy. Rao was ranked 198th in the “world’s richest” list of Forbes, and his wealth was valued at $2.6 billion. He is 14th on the “India’s richest” list. Rao, who started with jute mills, expanded the GMR group into the energy and infrastructure sectors. In 2007, the GMR group won a bid to privatize India’s third busiest airport, the Indira Gandhi International Airport. He spent $1 million on his bid and made a deal with Fraport AG to support his bid. The GMR group has also completed a $200-million Hyderabad Airport project. In April 2009, he was linked with a £500-million takeover of Liverpool FC. He owns the Indian Premier League cricket team, Delhi Daredevils.
Even more shocking was that land valued at Rs 3,000 crore and belonging to NACIL within the airport complex was also surrendered to the consortium. Kumar noted in dissent: “Regarding Para D (2) (C)…we have already agreed that the land belongs to NACIL and we have already got an opinion from M/s Bhasin & Company that NACIL becomes the owner of this land by way of adverse possession. In spite of this, it is surprising that you have conceded indirectly to surrender this nearly six acres of Land which as intimated would have an approx. market value of Rs 3000/- crores.”
Paragraph F of the MoU states that MIAL shall bear the cost of facilities/buildings as per details given to NACIL, including cost of air conditioning (wherever existing facilities of NACIL being relocated have similar facilities), electrical installations, data cabling, and so on. Cost of interiors, soft furnishing and furniture shall be borne by NACIL. Kumar questioned why NACIL should spend for interiors when it already had interiors. This spending would benefit only MIAL.
Paragraphs G & H, Kumar pointed out, were at total variance with what had been agreed to earlier. He wrote sharply: “I am totally disagreeing with what has been drafted by you in Para G & H. We had already agreed that the license fees/lease amounts would continue to be the same and will not be enhanced by MIAL. This is in view of the fact that the AAI had fixed some rate and NACIL should not be subject to increases as MIAL has earlier done in respect of vehicles where they have increased amounts in multiples of 20 and 25. This is minimum protection that NACIL can expect for the tremendous inconvenience that NACIL is going to suffer in future in the relocations etc. Further what has been stated by you is not in line and spirit of what has been agreed by the committee and so recorded.” The question that begs an answer from Mr Patel: How much did NACIL lose to MIAL by increase of lease rates?
Kumar summed up the systematic financial rape of the national carrier, guaranteed to deepen its fiscal ruin and place additional burdens on the national treasury. He could not have been more blunt: “As land is a crucial factor, we need to look at the issue that we as a national carrier can face in the event of the land being taken away from us by MIAL towards development of the airport and in the process offering the same to us on lease at astronomical rentals detrimental to our interests, especially in these difficult times when we are incurring heavy losses due to global recessionary trends.
“While we are supportive of MIAL’s expansion plan for a modern airport, as a private player MIAL has a monopoly over airlines and therefore a right to demand a higher price to optimize its commercial deals. As a national carrier we need to fulfill the social obligations of the Government of India and also face the stiff competition from other airlines. “Being one of the important parties to whom the Airports Authority of India has been leasing their vast lands for over several decades for our use and to take it away without adequate compensation should not be a cause for criticism at a later date which needs to be examined in toto. Especially so, if land is being used for building of malls, hotels etc other than for airport development, in which case a share of the proceeds needs to be negotiated to be paid to us as our rightful share.”
MIAL has indicated that should the GOI’s stake in NACIL fall below 50 per cent in case of disinvestment, it would charge NACIL prevailing market rates for use of the airport’s facilities. Likewise, NACIL should, by right, have been given a share in revenues from MIAL’s development of malls, hotels, and other commercial ventures at the airport. But Mr Patel did not take this into consideration.
PRAYER FOR JUSTICE

Praful Patel should be prosecuted and asked to publicly answer the questions posed in this petition.
Praful Patel’s personal properties and Rs 1,500-crore empire should be held in escrow by the government until the nation is satisfied with his reply so received.
If found guilty, Praful Patel should be imprisoned without bail to set an example for other Ministers not to treat the national wealth and national assets as their personal milch cows.
All the concerned officials from the Ministry, NACIL and AAI should be punished with imprisonment and all their assets should be confiscated and handed over to the nation.

The daylight rape of the public interest by Praful Patel?
COVER STORY | Aviation | petition versus praful patel | PART – I

The daylight rape of the public interest

gfiles prayerfully brings to the Supreme Court’s attention, in two parts, the inside story of how a national resource – as well as a powerful symbol of modern Indian ingenuity and enterprise in the public sector – has been systematically emasculated in order to pave the way for vested interests to dominate a vital segment of the Indian economy. In addition, we also document how, as part of a larger conspiracy, prime land worth Rs 98,000 crore belonging to the Government of India was gifted for profit to a consortium of vested interests in the name of “airport development”.

For suo moto cognizance

THE HON’BLE SUPREME COURT OF INDIA AT NEW DELHI
(Extraordinary Civil Writ Jurisdiction)
In the Matter of

Citizens of India through gfiles

(A magazine on governance)
(Registered with Registrar of Newspapers for India)
Regn. No. DL Eng/2007/19719

VERSUS

Praful Patel
Minister for Civil Aviation
Govt of India
Rajiv Gandhi Bhavan Safdarjung Airport, New Delhi
V Thulasidas, former Chairman & Managing Director,
and his team, NACIL (Indian Airlines & Air India)
K Ramalingam, former Chairman, Airports Authority of India
KN Srivastava, Joint Secretary, Ministry of Civil Aviation
Sanjay Narayan, former Joint Secretary, Ministry of Civil Aviation,
and now Director in MIAL
RK Singh, former Joint Secretary, Ministry of Civil Aviation
PS Nair, former ED, Airports Authority of India
Ajay Prasad, former Secretary, Civil Aviation

Your Lordships,
This is not a polemic or ideological argument for or against free enterprise or competition or modernization. In India’s growth story, these precepts carry intrinsic value. It is, rather, the shameful tale of how a Union Minister, Constitutionally sworn to protect the interests of the Indian state, has instead been a prime mover in what we can only describe as its plunder.
What is sad is that this ransacking has taken place in full public view, complaints and protest notes based on public documents and actions have been filed, and yet the Minister has escaped from being held accountable. Your Lordships, we believe that because the Constitutional instruments have failed to implement basic checks and balances that are designed to safeguard the national interest of our Republic and to protect its Treasury against profligate mismanagement, we have no choice other than to ask for judicial intervention and activism in order to restore the sanctity of balance in governance.
Without delving into circumstantial conjecture or suppositions –but based on documented verification – we have compiled, for the first time ever, a comprehensive record of how Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel – a former director of Jet Airways, with whose owner he still has cherished relations – first systematically bankrupted India’s national flagship carrier, Indian Airlines, and paved the way for Jet Airways to acquire primacy, and later approached the Government of India for a Rs 50 billion bailout from taxpayers’ money to keep afloat the very airline he had so tactfully destroyed.


PART- I

DELIBERATE DESTRUCTION OF A NATIONAL RESOURCE

THE destruction of Indian Airlines, as we will demonstrate, was craftily calibrated with the connivance of bureaucrats who are supposed to be the steel frame of protective governance. In the name of privatization”, “modernization”, “open skies” and other such buzzwords and mantras, Indian Airlines, in a series of moves, was deprived of its revenue sources through unreasonable and unviable fleet expansion, budgeting, cutting off commercially viable international routes in the garb of “route rationalization”, unjustifiable leasing arrangements, quietly opening passages for foreign airlines on profitable sectors, siphoning off baggage handling activities to other conglomerates, and destroying the Indian Airlines brand by first obliterating its 50-year-old logo after renaming it “Indian” and then by merging it with the unviable Air India.
In short, Mr Patel ensured the annihilation of the Indian Airlines brand by a virtual obliteration of a level playing field for Indian Airlines.
We back this conclusion with the following facts:

Mr Patel, the former Jet Airways director-turned-politician, took oath as Civil Aviation Minister in May 2004. (His personal fortune as a businessman is valued at Rs 1,500 crore.) At that time Indian Airlines was earning a profit of Rs 65.61 crore (source: Government of India Press Release dated December 26, 2005). Four years later, on November 11, 2009, NACIL (the company formed after the merger of IA & AI) declared a post-tax loss of Rs 5,548.26 crore! Mr Patel informed reporters on November 12, 2009 that the airline would have to generate Rs 20 billion through cost cuts and revenue gains.
When Mr Patel asked the Government of India to pump in an equity of Rs 5000 crore, every frontal union of workers of the newly formed NACIL wrote strong letters of protest regarding the decisions that led to the seeking of the bailout and merger of Indian Airlines with Air India. They included Air Corporations Employees Union (wrote on 23.06.09); All India Cabin Crew Association (wrote on July 21, 2009); Indian Commercial Pilots Association; All India Aircraft Engineers Association; Indian Airlines Officers’ Association; Airlines Ground Instructors Association and Airlines Radio Officers & Flight Operations Officers Association.
Their letters, addressed privately to the Prime Minister of India and top politicians and rulers of our country, fell on deaf ears.
HOW THE DAMAGE WAS DONE

1. Ramping up the premerger AI fleet acquisition plan from 24 to 68 aircraft to bankrupt the airline

This one act shows how Mr Patel systematically began his agenda to ground the national carrier.
Air India’s original fleet plan was for 24 aircraft to be inducted over a five-year period. This was suddenly enhanced to 68 aircraft within a period of 24 weeks, with a change of aircraft from Airbus to Boeing, including induction of an aircraft that was still on the drawing board (the B787). The Ministry of Civil Aviation as well as Air India’s Board ignored the fact that they were burdening an airline that has a turnover of only Rs 7,000 crore per year with an aircraft order worth Rs 35,000 crore. Air India was expected to service a debt and interest repayment of Rs 6,000 crore annually for the purchase, an outgo of 86% of its annual turnover.
Where then would the resources for essential expenditure come from? Why was the decision regarding such huge purchases taken even without a full business plan and informing the Cabinet? Who initiated this move? Why was there no inquiry into how Air India would bear the burden of these new aircraft?
To support international plans of Jet and Kingfisher, entitlements far in excess of the actual traffic demand on many routes to and from India were exchanged with many countries.
Why was the decision shifted from Airbus to Boeing (B787, which was at drawing board stage)? This has never happened with any airlines in the world – placing an order for an untested aircraft.
Will Mr Patel inform the nation of any revenue plan for the induction of 68 Boeings? Can he deny that this is one of the main reasons that the airline is now reeling under a working capital deficit of Rs 15,000 crore?

2. Giving disproportionate access to/from India to foreign airlines

Between 2004 and 2009, the Ministry was very liberal in the exchange of bilateral entitlements with many countries. It is alleged that in order to support the international operation plans of Jet Airways and Kingfisher Airlines, entitlements far in excess of the actual traffic demand on many routes to/from India were exchanged with many countries. The increase in traffic entitlements benefited mainly foreign airlines, and they were quick to capitalize on the Indian air travel market, increasing their seats from around 35,000 to 90,000 per day over the past four years or so. Airlines of many countries were fully utilizing their entitlements prior to the economic downturn. Comparatively, on the Indian side, Air India and Indian Airlines could only marginally enhance capacity while Jet Airways deploys only 12,000 seats per day on international routes.
The revenue earning opportunity was thus skewed heavily in favour of foreign airlines, allowing privileged private Indian operators to fly international routes.
Air India and Indian Airlines’ international market has also been opened up to competition from certain favoured Indian private airlines. A propaganda campaign was started during Mr Patel’s tenure that Al and IA were not fully utilizing the bilateral entitlements available to the Indian side, and hence private airlines such as Jet Airways should be allowed to operate international services.
What was conveniently glossed over was the fact that Al and IA were operating services to places where demand existed, such as Dubai, Sharjah, Singapore, London, US, Canada, and so on. The only real constraint that AI and IA faced was lack of aircraft capacity to be able to ramp up services to important markets. However, instead of clearing Al and IA’s long-pending aircraft purchase plans, the ground was allegedly laid to allow Jet Airways to commence international operations. On its part, Jet Airways commenced operations on commercially viable routes – to only those established destinations which were already linked by AI and IA!
Permission to private airlines to operate internationally was structured to favour Jet Airways.
The permission to Indian private airlines to operate international operations was also structured in such a manner that it favoured Jet Airways. Criteria were decided such that, apart from Jet Airways, only Air Sahara (which Jet Airways eventually acquired) qualified to operate international services, keeping the other domestic airlines at bay for a period of 3-4 years. Also, the move to allow Jet Airways to operate international services was further supported by the Ministry of Civil Aviation, by granting capacity entitlements to operate flights to London. The processes were put in place in a great hurry to enable Jet Airways to commence operations to London just a few days prior to their IPO which made Jet Airways owner Naresh Goyal a richer man than he already was.
The complicity was so blatant that Jet Airways applied for slots in Singapore and London within the first month of Mr Patel’s tenure at Rajiv Gandhi Bhavan (a fact reported in newspapers in June 2004) – a full six months prior to the Government of India announcing the change in policy, permitting private airlines to fly on international routes, in December 2004.
This policy change ostensibly emanated from the Naresh Chandra Committee report. Strangely, this is probably the single instance when the Ministry of Civil Aviation tabled and the GOI adopted just one single recommendation out of an entire policy document. Interestingly, the draft Civil Aviation Policy which was framed in 2004 is yet to see the light of day.
It is also alleged by the All India Airlines Retired Personnel Association (AIARPA) that start-up airlines such as Air Arabia of Sharjah have in fact gained significant market access with Mr Patel’s support, simply because they appointed his long-time friend and hatchet man, Deepak Talwar, as their GSA in India.

3. Establishing more private operators in the domestic market

Mr Patel actively encouraged private players to set up shop in India, ostensibly to unleash the potential of the Indian market. Starting with Air Deccan, we have had a number of socalled low-cost carriers operating in the Indian domestic market at yields that are unsound, leading to a sick Indian airlines industry. As a result, the domestic market share and revenues of Indian Airlines and Air India from domestic operations have shrunk, adding to the woes of the airline.
Simultaneously, demands were placed on Air India and Indian Airlines that necessitated their curtailing operations on many routes – favouring the private carriers. For instance, Air India was made to withdraw its flights to Los Angeles as well as the Mumbai-Doha, Delhi-Dhaka via Kolkata, Hyderabad-Singapore and Delhi-Hong Kong services. Its domestic operations from Kolkata to Jaipur and Ahmedabad, Chennai and Kolkata to Bhubaneswar, and Kolkata- Hyderabad also had to be withdrawn. The withdrawal and delay of operations by Air India was subtly enforced just before Jet Airways commenced operations to some of the international destinations. For instance, Air India suddenly postponed operations from Amritsar to Toronto in August 2006 to facilitate the launch of the Jet Airways flight on the same sector. Can Mr Patel inform the nation why it was done? What was the necessity?

4. Fallacious premise of the merger

The selection of Accenture was cloaked in secrecy in the Ministry. Stakeholders from Air India and Indian Airlines were neither involved in the selection process nor in the deliberations of Accenture during the build-up to the merger.
Accenture is guilty of simply pushing the Minister’s agenda for merger as he needed to show the world that he was doing something for the national carriers also, after having craftily robbed them to benefit other airlines, especially Jet Airways. The merger enabled him to make the spurious claim that he had strengthened Air India by merging it with Indian Airlines to enable them to take on the competition. As per the allegation of AIARPA, Accenture had identified a number of “imperatives of merger”. The details show how Mr Patel systematically destroyed the national carrier.
The Justification: An integrated international/domestic footprint, significantly enhancing attractiveness to customers and allowing easy entry into one of the three global airline alliances.

Increase in traffic entitlements benefited foreign airlines, and they were quick to capitalize on the Indian market.

The Facts: It is not understood as to how a merger of two airlines that were already making losses could be based on specious arguments such as these. Attractiveness to passengers comes not just from an airlines’ reach or size, operational issues such as image/perception, track record, service levels, etc. form a major part. The fact that Air India has been suffering from an extremely poor image and is virtually passengers’ last choice, especially on international routes, was conveniently overlooked. Also, entry into global airline alliance cannot be an objective for any airline, as has been claimed by Accenture to justify the merger.
The Justification: Parking bays and landing slots in an “infrastructure constrained” environment.
The Facts: It is again not understood as to how the merger would increase availability of parking bays and landing slots for the merged airline, unless it was envisaged that there would be shrinkage of operations in the merged entity, thus releasing bays and slots which would naturally then be available to Air India’s competitors.
The Justification: Potentially enable merged airline to command better valuation.
The Facts: Valuation of an airline is defined primarily by its route rights, its future revenue earning potential, its current ownership, labour policies & IR/HR status. In Air India’s case, the international route rights are no longer the preserve of Air India, having been opened up to other private airlines.
Given the fact that the minister had systematically pawned AI and IA’s silver and thrown Air India and Indian Airlines together in a cauldron of chaos, it is hard to understand how the merged entity would manage a better valuation.

5. Destroying the Indian Airlines brand to allow private airlines to dominate the domestic market

Indian Airlines was always a strong brand with many positive attributes. Year after year, Indian Airlines was the only airline brand to be included in the top 25 brands in the Economic Times’ annual Brand Equity Most Trusted Brand survey, regarded as one of the most reliable indicators of a brand’s standing and equity in India. In 2003, 2004, 2005, Indian Airlines was first the unexpected dark horse to win and then the expected trusted brand. Strangely, in 2007, when the Indian Airlines brand ceased to officially exist, it still found mention in the survey.
Yet the Minister chose to re-brand Indian Airlines as Indian with a nameless logo, despite the fact that the merger was already around the corner. Indian Airlines was forced to spend a fortune on the re-branding, a cost which was reincurred when the airline merged with Air India. Can Mr Patel tell the nation how much public money was spent on redesigning his fantasy?
Indian Airlines’ identity was systematically obliterated to give Jet Airways a clear run in the domestic market. The merger forced Indian Airlines to market itself as Air India in the domestic and Gulf markets where the Indian Airlines name commanded a premium. Instead, a new entity – Air India Express – was forced in. It had neither Air India’s international reputation nor Indian Airlines’ trustworthiness but was a characterless, unreliable airline with no back-up support, headed by a retired General Manager.
The decision to merge Air India and Indian Airlines was taken knowing full well that mergers take at least three-four years to settle and that the entities become vulnerable in the marketplace during this time. The timing was significant since Jet Airways was taking off in a big way on the international routes and Kingfisher Airline needed to establish itself first in the domestic and then the international arena. This act of the Minister shows that he systematically opened up Indian Airlines and Air India markets to unfair competition. At the same time, Mr Patel ensured that the two airlines placed orders for aircraft that they could not service. In order to cover up the fact that he had stripped the national carriers of their markets and had saddled them with massive losses, Mr Patel conjured up the merger of Air India and Indian Airlines. The merger of the two airlines, each with a distinct ethos and work culture, became the Minister’s panacea for all ills that plagued them and was undertaken ostensibly to strengthen them despite knowing well that the merger would be chaotic for the initial couple of years at least.

6. The ingenious sale and lease back of fully depreciated aircraft of Air India and Indian Airlines

Air India has entered into sale and lease back of eight A320, three B747 and four A310 aircraft during 2007-2008. The sale and lease back transaction essentially involves sale of an aircraft to a lessor or foreign financial institution in consideration for an upfront amount to shore up revenues with an attendant agreement to lease back on dry lease basis for a specific period, at a fixed monthly lease rental (or EMI in simpler terms). At the end of the lease term (about 70 months in Air India’s case), the aircraft is returned to the lessor in a condition agreed upon. During the lease period, the airline continues to operate the aircraft and incurs all operating expenses. In addition, even after the aircraft purchase order was placed, a case was made out for Air India to lease capacity to meet its requirements till the new aircraft were delivered. Accordingly, AI leased eight B777s at very high rates without even having pilots to fly them. As a result, five leased B777s stayed grounded for months together. The number of non operational B777s would have been higher but for the fact that A310 pilots were pulled out for training to fly the B777. However, as a result of this move, three leased A310 aircraft also had to be grounded. Why was this decision taken? Can Mr Patel reveal how much of taxpayers’ money was paid to lease these aircraft?
Including insurance and mandatory modifications as if the aircraft is on dry lease, the lease rental effectively covers the repayment of capital (upfront amount paid to the airline) and the cost of capital. The resale value is realized by the lessor. The sale and lease back effectively means asset stripping to finance revenue expenditure – a back-door sale. The airline commits to pay lease rental and maintain the aircraft in an agreed manner, without any claim to the residual value of the aircraft. There is usually an unspecified – no capping, openended liability to return the aircraft to the lessor in the agreed condition on expiry of the lease term. Airlines usually need to incur significant expenses on this account so that return conditions are met. If operating margins to meet the lease rental and residual values are not realized from operations of such aircraft, the transaction is financially unattractive to the airline.

Air India’s original fleet plan for 24 aircraft was suddenly enhanced to 68 aircraft within a period of 24 weeks.

Can the Minister answer the following questions?

Why was this methodology adopted when, clearly, these options were never exercised earlier due to the reasons explained above?
Why was AI’s sale and lease back transacted when the airline was experiencing low fleet utilization, low load factors, cash losses on 70% of services and especially when brand new aircraft were arriving at the rate of one or two every month?
Why did AI sell and lease back 20-year-old fully depreciated aircraft, with an out-of-production engine, instead of removing these high operating-cost aircraft from its fleet?
Was any study conducted to see whether these aircraft were at all needed?
Why was the entire process hurried through to meet a March 31, 2007 deadline?
Is it a mere coincidence that the “investee” who was in regular contact with Air India bagged the deal, through a competitive e-auction at a rate known/discussed with Air India‘s finance department?
Can the then CMD be asked to explain why there was no mention of the sale and lease back proposal in the briefing to the Board of Directors on the need and process to raise additional funding?
7. Creation of Air India Express – the biggest hoax in Indian aviation history

Mr Patel ensured that Air India set up a low-cost carrier to operate on the lucrative India-Gulf and India-Southeast Asia routes – routes that were well served by both Indian Airlines and Air India and were reportedly the most profitable ones for at least IA. Both Air India and Indian Airlines became losers: Air India because of ceding routes to Air India Express, with lesser revenues being earned as Air India Express operates on the low fare principle; while Indian Airlines lost overall revenues as it had to reduce fares to match Air India Express fares and other LCCs (Low Cost Carriers) such as Air Arabia that entered these markets. Air India Express was launched amid consternation in both camps – erstwhile AI managers in the Gulf feared a dip in their yields and a lowering of overall revenue, while erstwhile IA managers in the Gulf feared competition from another narrow-body fleet running on similar principles, owned by a common owner.
The Minister has to answer and also get the then Chairman to reveal the true story of Air India Express, which was touted as the success story of the new Air India – lowest fares, highest load factors, high seat factors, reliable operations and profits every year.
The Minister must answer serious questions for the public:

What was the logic in launching Air India Express?
Air India Express was launched as a Low Cost Carrier on the standard LCC premises – only internet bookings, no meals, no agents and therefore no commissions. Yet it offers meals and even in-flight dutyfree, and sells through agents as well as consolidators very openly. It has a tie-up with the Minister’s friend, Mr Deepak Talwar. Who gave him the contract without tenders and proper bidding?
How did Air India Express decide to lease the B737-800 without competitive bidding?
Is it again a mere coincidence that Air India Express later decided to purchase 18 B737-800 aircraft? How was this figure arrived at?
Why is it that Air India Express operates – in most cases –flights at around the same timings as Air India on the same routes, at significantly lower fares? Isn’t Air India Express competing with its parent company?
Even two years after merger, why are the schedules of Air India Express and Air India not aligned?
Is there a transparent transfer pricing mechanism between Air India and Air India Express that has been followed consistently?
Have the books been manipulated to show profits for Air India Express?
Has Air India Express ever achieved its projected aircraft utilization?
Does Air India Express have a system of compiling figures for on-time performance, passenger carriage, revenues, etc?
How has Air India Express been allowed to take passengers booked as passengers travelled? Or is it booking fictitious revenues? If so, why? Just to keep the leased aircraft going?
How is it that there is only one person who is capable of being the COO of Air India Express and he gets an extension beyond retirement age when there is no dearth of able officers in Air India to take on the job? Is it a reward for past favours?
Air India Express has, however, served one key purpose – it enabled the lease of a number of B737-800 aircraft and also the expansion of Air India’s aircraft purchase plan to include 18 B737-800 aircraft for Air India Express. Air India Express also chose to induct B737-800 aircraft from Day 1 without following the normal aircraft selection process.
8. Robbing AI and IA of their existing revenue streams from ground handling of other airlines and also from their then existing commercial agreements

The Ministry forced AI to spin off ground handling activities into a joint venture with SATS, further forcing the airline to transfer all ground handling (for other airlines as well as own flights) to the JV. Pre-merger, and prior to the creation of HIAL and BIAL, AI was earning Rs 600 crore and IA was earning Rs 380 crore annually from ground handling. Not only have AI and IA lost this amount, AI is now expected to pay the JV company for handling of its own flights. The future of employees transferred to the joint venture is uncertain. Apart from robbing AI and IA of their ground handling revenue, the Minister has also ensured that the merged airline loses the revenues it earned from commercial agreements with foreign airlines. These agreements were instituted by earlier governments to ensure that AI and IA derived some benefits from one-sided grant of entitlements and operations by foreign airlines. The institution of such agreements in bilateral agreements with other countries also recognized that AI has not been able to add new aircraft for many years owing to delay in obtaining requisite approvals from the government. Along with the opening up of the Indian international market to private Indian airlines, the Ministry took a decision to phase out all such commercial agreements within 3-4 years.
9. What has been outlined above can be documented in detail

There is ample reason to deduce that Mr Patel has spearheaded nothing short of a carefully calibrated conspiracy to deprive the nation of a national asset in order to siphon off a portion of the national wealth to co-conspirators through strong-arm tactics, deceit, diktat and devious legerdemain for which the taxpayers have had to pay a heavy price.

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Some tweets from Sucheta Dalal http://twitter.com/suchetadalal
Rape of Indian Airlines: We rant about lobbyists & want politicians to resign, what about bureaucrats endanger and punish whistleblowers?
about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck
While on the rape and murder of Indian Airlines, will one Planning Commission member, former Cab Sec tell us about a June 2005 letter?
about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck
Rape of Air India-Indian Airlines by Patel: http://bit.ly/bbKWWQ surely friends BD and VS knew about this from friend Niira Radia
6:37 AM Nov 21st via TweetDeck
What about Niira Radia saying that Sunil Arora had sent a dossier on Air India to PM and Sonia Gandhi. Another eg of PM's silence?
6:36 AM Nov 21st via TweetDeck
When is anyone going to start talking about what Radia says about Praful Patel and her assertion that he made Rs 10,000 crore?
6:35 AM Nov 21st via TweetDeck
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I think the problem is related with the systems that are put in place by top officers. I have seen a lot of techies in Bangalore jumping signals, paying bribes etc. But how is that the same techie when lands in US for an assignment doesn't indulge in any corruption or jump signals. It is the system that is put in place by GoI, local governments, bureaucracy that is all messed up and provides incentives to aam aadmi to save himself/herself harassment by paying bribes. It is the people at the top who are responsible for the mess. Political will is needed to weed out corruption and have proper systems/mechanisms in place. It is no use saying all are corrupt.
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Latest news from Subramanium Swamy is that 18000 crores each was deposited in Sonia's 2 sisters accounts in Macau.
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The convo's on air india are quite interesting. Air India gave up good slots to UAE airlines. 4 years ago Emirates was india's 7th largest carrier, today it is 2nd! So Radia was saying there is a definet UAE involvement. Of course don't forget Etihad which came out of no where.
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nkumar wrote:I have seen a lot of techies in Bangalore jumping signals, paying bribes etc. But how is that the same techie when lands in US for an assignment doesn't indulge in any corruption or jump signals. It is the system that is put in place by GoI, local governments, bureaucracy that is all messed up and provides incentives to aam aadmi to save himself/herself harassment by paying bribes. It is the people at the top who are responsible for the mess. Political will is needed to weed out corruption and have proper systems/mechanisms in place. It is no use saying all are corrupt.
This is not correct. The rot is everywhere. People behave only in two situations, either when they are afraid of law or when they are afraid of God. There is not much fear of law because everybody knows that fact that law enforcing authorities are corrupt themselves. There is no fear of God because the religion has failed to train and polish people. This is not the first time such things happened. History is merely repeating.
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Jarita wrote:Latest news from Subramanium Swamy is that 18000 crores each was deposited in Sonia's 2 sisters accounts in Macau.
I also found this news here..Its in Hindi

http://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/ar ... 963146.cms
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shyamd wrote:The convo's on air india are quite interesting. Air India gave up good slots to UAE airlines. 4 years ago Emirates was india's 7th largest carrier, today it is 2nd! So Radia was saying there is a definet UAE involvement. Of course don't forget Etihad which came out of no where.
MIDDLE EAST companies are using the bribing to get inside. This has been noted.

Dr Subramaniam Swamy said this recently and this cannot go on. GCC countries have to change their laws to give better status to Hindus before India sign any FTA
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Shankk wrote:
nkumar wrote:I have seen a lot of techies in Bangalore jumping signals, paying bribes etc. But how is that the same techie when lands in US for an assignment doesn't indulge in any corruption or jump signals. It is the system that is put in place by GoI, local governments, bureaucracy that is all messed up and provides incentives to aam aadmi to save himself/herself harassment by paying bribes. It is the people at the top who are responsible for the mess. Political will is needed to weed out corruption and have proper systems/mechanisms in place. It is no use saying all are corrupt.
This is not correct. The rot is everywhere. People behave only in two situations, either when they are afraid of law or when they are afraid of God. There is not much fear of law because everybody knows that fact that law enforcing authorities are corrupt themselves. There is no fear of God because the religion has failed to train and polish people. This is not the first time such things happened. History is merely repeating.
IMHO, relying on God to curb corruption is not a viable option because if I am an atheist, then I need not fear God. I can get away with corruption. I think Sweden has most number of atheists and still it is one of the least corrupt country. Hence, we should be relying on tangibles like law to dissuade people from corruption.

Regarding the fear of law, I don't know who is generally the top law enforcing officer. Let us say, IG of Police. We have a system where politicians appoint such people and that leaves a lot of discretion in the hands of politician. I favor that such guys should be directly elected by people. In other words, we need to have proper system in place which makes people accountable.

The rot is everywhere because our mechanisms allow people to get away with it.
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Folks who follow V.Sundaram, please change your existing bookmark: http://ennapadampanchajanya.blogspot.com/

Here is his latest on MMS: http://ennapadampanchajanya.blogspot.co ... alore.html
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So in the macro picture we would see Rs 176,000 crores disbursed from the govt to the nation, the politicians take 5%, aam aadmi gets 50%, telcos get 36%, and the govt recovers 9%.
this is what Shiv-ji said in a different way.

Yes, the balance of accounts may match. The question is if a bunch of politicians in govt can do it outside the formal administrative process by colluding with some businessmen, media dealers, and consulting companies, then what is the purpose of govt?

Is this the "popular mandate" MMS and INC claimed that they got in 2009?
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East india company was more benevolent than our our own elected govt
I think even TSP is benevolent by taking up the responsibility of printing our currency doing the work of our RBI and finance ministry
mahatma must be turning in his grave or ashes like rotossorie chicken roasted
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Rahul Mehta wrote: JM,

Did SR actually served 3 years in prison or did a corrupt HCj gave stay order and later a bail order? (eg ex-DIG SPS Rathore So pls do check if SR actually ever lives in prison.
Per the report the sentencing was done in Feb 2009. It took solid 13 years to dispense justice. He (SukhRam) was 82 years old at the time when he was sentenced. The assumption is he is serving the sentence as of now. But that could be wrong. However, there is no other news of him not serving the sentence currently. So, unless the news that he is not in prison is available, the assumption that he is currently in prison stands. He supposedly has no high friends in the party to bail him out.
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The Internet and Barkhagate:

Filling the gap has been the social media, which is proving to be a popular and high-impact venue, even in a country with relatively low Internet usage. Facebook now has a group called"Barkhagate," referring to Barkha Dutt's alleged role. Twitter has played an important role in launching what has become an international conversation on the issue, with the Indian diaspora weighing in.

Dutt, known as India's Oprah, has been defending her reputation through her Twitter account. "Program after program has been scathingly critical and hardhitting on the Raja controversy. THAT is the barometer of ones independence," read another Dutt tweet.

In the wake of the Raja allegations, the Foundation for Media Professionals will host a conference on journalists as power brokers this week, with the hope that something good can come out of the controversy, Mitta said. "We are actually happy that these practices have come out in the open," Mitta said. "It forces us to address the problem. We as journalists sit in judgment of others all the time. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard."
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Guys.. Please do not cause any more Takleef for our honourable PM, last time he could not sleep for that Indian Muslim engineer who was arrested for terror charges in Australia and now the 2-G related Takleef pushed him to go for divine blessing at Puttapurti at Sai baba's ashram for some relief through His divine' touch-

Topping the list of VVIPs who touched down at the godman's hometown about 400km south-west of Hyderabad on the Karnataka border was PM Manmohan Singh. He spoke at the convocation of Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning, which coincided with the Baba's birthday.

As the PM — caught in the 2G tornado — addressed the gathering on how knowledge powerhouses should build on the country's achievements in biotechnology and nuclear science

Read more: Troubled netas throng Sai Baba - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... z163n3Gdxy



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 972824.cms
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arjunm wrote: pushed him to go for divine blessing at Puttapurti at Sai baba's ashram for some relief through His divine' touch-

Read more: Troubled netas throng Sai Baba -
Why is this part.
Because Sai Bakths are more than a 100 million worldwide and Guru benevolence blessings are required for dosha parihara.
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R_Kumar wrote:
Jarita wrote:Latest news from Subramanium Swamy is that 18000 crores each was deposited in Sonia's 2 sisters accounts in Macau.
I also found this news here..Its in Hindi

http://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/ar ... 963146.cms
The figures don't add up then. As Sridhar said Swamy claimed 30000 cr was the bribe money and 30% each was allegedly given to Sonia's sisters, 30% to Karunanidhi and Raja kept 10%. Now if 38000 (that would translate to a mind boggling 8.5 billion dollats) were given to Sonia then the total amount of bribes would be in the region of 63,500 crs or around 15 billion dollars. Now the notional value of the opportunity cost to India is 40 billon dollars. The actual loss would be 40 billion minus the actual amount realised (unfortunately don't have the figure at the moment).
However it seems highly unlikely that companies would pay that much bribe for what is essentially the rump or unutlised portion of the 2G spectrum. You gotta realise when 3G rolls out then 2G becomes redundant since from an operator POV 3G is much cheaper to operate than 2G on account of higher bandwidth.
So bottomline while there is no doubt bribes were paid, Swamy's numbers and breakdown - as reported on BRF - don't seem to add up.
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Acharya wrote:
arjunm wrote: pushed him to go for divine blessing at Puttapurti at Sai baba's ashram for some relief through His divine' touch-

Read more: Troubled netas throng Sai Baba -
Why is this part.
Because Sai Bakths are more than a 100 million worldwide and Guru benevolence blessings are required for dosha parihara.
More like political crooks taking comfort from religious dupers. :twisted:

"Swami, we're screwed"

"Oh! let me send divine message to masses"
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East india company was more benevolent than our our own elected govt
:rotfl:

Well in that case I suppose we can say what our dear PM says 2 years ago becomes gospel truth on BRF after suitable time lag. Rmember the speech where he allegedly praised British rule? :-)
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/Spectrum- ... 28447.aspx
Former Rajasthan chief minister Vasundhara Raje on Friday expressed shock over the magnitude of the 2G spectrum scam, saying the size of the 1.76 lakh crore swindle was equivalent to the state's budget for three and a half years. "The 2G spectrum scam is so big that the amount involved in it could have been our state's budget for three and a half years," Raje said addressing students at a function in Rajasthan University campus in Jaipur.
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"when ever Man prays he prays for a miracle"
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Fidel Guevara wrote:The net impact is that the Indian customers have been billed a few Rs less than what they would otherwise have been billed.
Cellular services in India have historically been cheaper than global standards ever since the telecom sector was liberalised in 1994. They are the result of intense competition among operators and the low infrastructure cost as compared to landline services.

A 2003 article in the Tribune
Until the early 1980s, a landline connection in India cost the State anything between Rs 30,000 and Rs 40,000. The cost dropped to around Rs 20,000 per connection a few years ago.

But things started changing in the late ‘90s, when cell companies entered the fray following the liberalisation of the telecom sector. From the initial high charges of using cellular services when there were just a few providers, the scene has shifted to one of intense competition.

In an endeavour to garner the maximum number of customers, the companies offering cellular, WLL or landline connections have been designing their tariff packages to offer the "best deal", leaving the consumer confused. With incoming calls becoming totally free, people who mainly receive calls will find the choice of shifting from landline to cellular line a very viable option.

Only those cellular companies that were either not able to get off to a good start or were unable to meet the requirements of the highly competitive and demanding industry failed during the early rounds. In February this year, Airtel became the first provider to make the incoming call facility free. Until October last year, the incoming calls were being charged at Rs 2. Earlier, the rate was as heavy as Rs 9 a minute for an outgoing call and Rs 6 a minute for an incoming one. The rates continued to drop as TRAI had given its mandate to make incoming calls free from April 1 this year.
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