J & K news and discussion

[ajit_tr]

'Friend' Iran calls India a Zionist regime

NEW DELHI: Iran is a close friend of India, but that has not prevented its supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, from asking the world's Muslims to support the "struggle" in Kashmir against "Zionist regimes".

In his Haj message to pilgrims earlier this week, Khamenei said, "Today the major duties of the elite of the Islamic Ummah is to provide help to the Palestinian nation and the besieged people of Gaza, to sympathize and provide assistance to the nations of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Kashmir, to engage in struggle and resistance against the aggressions of the United States and the Zionist regime, to safeguard the solidarity of Muslims and stop tainted hands and mercenary voices that try to damage this unity, to spread awakening and the sense of responsibility and commitment among Muslim youth throughout Islamic communities."

[Hari Seldon]

The only place shias are oppressed as state policy in cashmere is in pak occupied parts of the erstwhile princely states.

So khamenei is genuinely speaking up against shia's oppression, he should take care to specify pak occupied cashmere, occupied kurram etc.

[Rupesh]

The headline is misleading, also can someone get the details from any Iranian source as to exactly what he said.

[wig]

the J&K High Court speaks on the issue of divorce amongst IM's and how it discriminates against women. worth reading in full

Chief Justice of State High Court, Dr Aftab H Saikia today said that it is essential that dissolution of Muslim marriage by way of divorce or talaq must be based on reconciliation as mandated by Quranic text followed by commentaries on the topic by various eminent legal personalities. Dr Saikia made these observations in a revision petition, which witnesses the deliberations of the fundamental issues pertaining to the validity of the pronouncement of the divorce to a Muslim woman vis-à-vis her entitlement to maintenance as married woman.

"When women have the right to marry, they have also the right to be maintained by their husbands. This right has been emphasized in Article 6(1) of Universal Declaration of Human Rights adopted and proclaimed by the General Assembly of the United Nations on December 10, 1948", the Chief Justice said.

"However, in post-Islamic period, it is seen that the degradation and degeneration set in, in the status of women. In male-dominated world, Muslim women were pushed to the whims and fancies of the menfolk and this is reflected primarily in the case of dissolution of marriage—divorce, which is known as Talaq in Arabic meaning. The doctrine of Talaq-ul-Bidet (triple talaq—one form of talaq) was evolved as a convenience divorce to dissolve the marriage at the will and whims of the Muslim husband", the Chief Justice observed.

"from the issue raised in the instant revision petition, it is considered that the judgment will be benefited if the status of Muslim women, vis-à-vis, the scope and effect of valid divorce as mandated under the Mohammadan law is highlighted",

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/

[arun]

'Friend' Iran calls India a Zionist regime

NEW DELHI: Iran is a close friend of India, but that has not prevented its supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, from asking the world's Muslims to support the "struggle" in Kashmir against "Zionist regimes".

In his Haj message to pilgrims earlier this week, Khamenei said, "Today the major duties of the elite of the Islamic Ummah is to provide help to the Palestinian nation and the besieged people of Gaza, to sympathize and provide assistance to the nations of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Kashmir, to engage in struggle and resistance against the aggressions of the United States and the Zionist regime, to safeguard the solidarity of Muslims and stop tainted hands and mercenary voices that try to damage this unity, to spread awakening and the sense of responsibility and commitment among Muslim youth throughout Islamic communities."

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India serves demarche on Iran over Kashmir remarks

[SSridhar]

Norwegian FM says Kashmir movement 'indigenous'

The Norwegian Minister of Foreign Affairs Jonas Gahr Store has maintained that the “current uprising in Kashmir is indigenous and youngsters throwing stones should not be met with bullets. Also, international standards on human rights should be upheld by all including India”.

He was concluding the maiden debate on the Kashmir conflict in the Norwegian parliament {What do they think these Norwegians are ?} and stated that his government was encouraging India and Pakistan to solve the conflict through peaceful means as violence was no solution to their problems.

The Norwegian minster further said that Norway was constantly keeping an eye on the unfolding events in Kashmir, particularly through its embassies in New Dehli and Islamabad. He said: “The Norwegian embassy in New Dehli has raised the issue of Kashmir with the Indian government at all levels.” {I hope Norway was clearly and unambiguously shown its place during such meetings} He recalled that he had personally talked about Kashmir during his visits to the region. He reminded the house that the Norwegian embassy participated in a joint Nordic delegation to Indian Held Jammu and Kashmir in April this year where they had taken up human rights and political situation with the representatives of the Jammu and Kashmir government and the police.

Chairman of Norwegian parliamentary Kashmir Committee Knut Arild Hareide said that peace in Afghanistan was linked to the settlement of Kashmir issue. She added that unsolved Kashmir conflict was hampering the international community’s efforts to curb terrorism worldwide.

Conservative Party’s Member Parliament Peter Skovholt Gitmark also emphasised that people of Kashmir must be included in the settlement process. He further said that a negotiated solution between Pakistan and India must also reflect the wishes of the local people.
Other who participated in the debate included Svein Roald Hansen, MP for the Labour Party, Tone Liljeroth, MP for the Progress Party, MP Peter N Myhre of the Norwegian Progress Party and Akhtar Chaudhry of the Socialist Left Party.

Sardar Ali Shahnawaz Khan, Executive Director Kashmiri Scandinavian Council, Oslo, lauded the Norwegian Foreign Minister and Chairman Kashmir Committee Knut Arild Hareide for debating Kashmir in the Norwegian parliament and condemning the human rights violations publicly.

[vera_k]

Well, Norway is increasingly Pakistani influenced in that it is even trying to increase inbound Pakistani immigration. Day is not far when Gen. Musharraf will get the Nobel Peace Prize.

[Pranav]

Norwegians have been playing dirty games for quite a while - see LTTE and The Norwegian Connection - http://www.sinhaya.com/norway.htm

[Pratyush]

WTF is wrong with the Norwegians. That they have to unglify every major emerging power. Is it that they thing the new white mans burden is theres to bear.

[svinayak]

Chairman of Norwegian parliamentary Kashmir Committee Knut Arild Hareide said that peace in Afghanistan was linked to the settlement of Kashmir issue. She added that unsolved Kashmir conflict was hampering the international community’s efforts to curb terrorism worldwide.

Conservative Party’s Member Parliament Peter Skovholt Gitmark also emphasised that people of Kashmir must be included in the settlement process. He further said that a negotiated solution between Pakistan and India must also reflect the wishes of the local people.
Other who participated in the debate included Svein Roald Hansen, MP for the Labour Party, Tone Liljeroth, MP for the Progress Party, MP Peter N Myhre of the Norwegian Progress Party and Akhtar Chaudhry of the Socialist Left Party.

Sardar Ali Shahnawaz Khan, Executive Director Kashmiri Scandinavian Council, Oslo, lauded the Norwegian Foreign Minister and Chairman Kashmir Committee Knut Arild Hareide for debating Kashmir in the Norwegian parliament and condemning the human rights violations publicly.

A very systematic approach by pak to go to each continnet and get support for it interest in K
They have PRC in the Asia, Norway and UK in Europe, all ME in gulf, Africa, USA in NA
One nation can do all this in 60 years and there is no real obstacle to them at all.

[amdavadi]

norway is not GOI's mai baap. Next time norway comes calling send them back.

Pakis can call on 3 1/2 friends but none can deliver kashmir to them..

[SSridhar]

One nation can do all this in 60 years and there is no real obstacle to them at all.

Apart from the support from the 3½ Friends (with the possible exception of Japan) for Pakistan's position vis-a-vis J&K, India has to take a large share of the blame too. We thought that the policy of letting Pakistan stew in its juice alone would be sufficient. India must brick-by-brick demolish Pakistan the hardest way. There is no other option.

[RajeshA]

Norwegian FM says Kashmir movement 'indigenous'

The Norwegian Minister of Foreign Affairs Jonas Gahr Store has maintained that the “current uprising in Kashmir is indigenous and youngsters throwing stones should not be met with bullets. Also, international standards on human rights should be upheld by all including India”.

He was concluding the maiden debate on the Kashmir conflict in the Norwegian parliament {What do they think these Norwegians are ?} and stated that his government was encouraging India and Pakistan to solve the conflict through peaceful means as violence was no solution to their problems.

The Norwegian minster further said that Norway was constantly keeping an eye on the unfolding events in Kashmir, particularly through its embassies in New Dehli and Islamabad. He said: “The Norwegian embassy in New Dehli has raised the issue of Kashmir with the Indian government at all levels.” {I hope Norway was clearly and unambiguously shown its place during such meetings} He recalled that he had personally talked about Kashmir during his visits to the region. He reminded the house that the Norwegian embassy participated in a joint Nordic delegation to Indian Held Jammu and Kashmir in April this year where they had taken up human rights and political situation with the representatives of the Jammu and Kashmir government and the police.

Chairman of Norwegian parliamentary Kashmir Committee Knut Arild Hareide said that peace in Afghanistan was linked to the settlement of Kashmir issue. She added that unsolved Kashmir conflict was hampering the international community’s efforts to curb terrorism worldwide.

Conservative Party’s Member Parliament Peter Skovholt Gitmark also emphasised that people of Kashmir must be included in the settlement process. He further said that a negotiated solution between Pakistan and India must also reflect the wishes of the local people.
Other who participated in the debate included Svein Roald Hansen, MP for the Labour Party, Tone Liljeroth, MP for the Progress Party, MP Peter N Myhre of the Norwegian Progress Party and Akhtar Chaudhry of the Socialist Left Party.

Sardar Ali Shahnawaz Khan, Executive Director Kashmiri Scandinavian Council, Oslo, lauded the Norwegian Foreign Minister and Chairman Kashmir Committee Knut Arild Hareide for debating Kashmir in the Norwegian parliament and condemning the human rights violations publicly.

One small good thing is that Norway is not in EU, so the shitt produced in Norway Parliament does not get transported to EU.

Secondly we should openly accuse the given Norwegians politicians of pandering to their local political concerns and vitiating the bilateral relations between Norway and India. We should say, that these Norwegians in their stupidity have inadvertently allowed themselves to become hand-maidens of Pakistani terrorists. Next time MEA officials meet Norwegians, we should greet them by saying "Good Morning, you stupid Norwegian".

Thirdly India should try to demote these Western recognition of political activism in developing countries of Asia, Africa and South America. India should stay away from the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony for Liu Xiaobo. We should simply state that we do respect the institution of the Nobel Prize but think that the Peace Prize has been unduly politicized and do not recognize the authority and qualification of the Nobel Prize Committee to make international political statements.

Fourthly India should develop ties with political parties in Norway, which are less enthusiastic about Islamic causes, parties like the Progress Party of Siv Jensen. However India should keep on criticizing all European countries for their anti-Islam stance and the Islamophobia prevailing there. We should use the stick to beat them as well.

I've visited Norway a few times, and the place really seems to be awash with Pakistanis and Somalis.

[AjayKK]

Norwegian FM says Kashmir movement 'indigenous'



Chairman of Norwegian parliamentary Kashmir Committee Knut Arild Hareide said that peace in Afghanistan was linked to the settlement of Kashmir issue. She added that unsolved Kashmir conflict was hampering the international community’s efforts to curb terrorism worldwide.

The news source for this seems to be :

http://www.kashmir.no/NewsDetail.php?NewsId=114

Copying from above link The News.PK has changed Knut Arild Hareide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knut_Arild_Hareide) to female.

Perhaps, The News.PK thinks rightly that gender is immaterial in displaying Pakistaniyat.

[Arjun]

Norway is one country where there is no separation of church and state.....As example, see this comment from the Washington Post "Norway has a long history (over 150 years) of church involvement in countries in far corners of the world (Madagascar and Sri Lanka, for example)." from the following link http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/georgetown/2010/11/in_norway_taking_religion_seriously.html

Also notice this report on Norwegian Church Aid's international program and agenda: http://www.kirkensnodhjelp.no/Documents/Kirkens%20N%C3%B8dhjelp/Om%20Kirkens%20N%C3%B8dhjelp/Resultatrapporter/Norad%20Final%20Report%202005-2009.pdf Norwegian Church Aid is part funded by Norad, the official Norwegian agency, and NWA in its report openly talks of its activities in Kashmir and Orissa.

If indeed the Norwegian FM statement is correct (the article has mostly appeared in Paki media), India should send a clear message to Norway that it does not accept unsolicted advice from pipsqueak nations, and that too those that have shown no regard for separation of church from state.

[chetak]

More whining from the bungling omar.

There may be an element of truth here.


http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_li ... ah_1469030

Links among J&K militants, Naxals, Left-leaning academicians: Omar Abdullah
Friday, Nov 19, 2010

Jammu & Kashmir chief minister Omar Abdullah today said there were "visible and invisible links" among the militants in his state, the Maoists, Left-leaning academicians and supporters.

"We have no experience with Maoist insurgency even though of late we find efforts being made to build bridges between the Maoists and Naxalites of the rest of India with militants of Kashmir and also some Left-thinking academicians and students in Jammu region as well," Abdullah said.

He was speaking at a seminar organised in Delhi by the India Today group on "State of States in India".

"We have seen evidence of it (of bridges being built between Maoists and insurgents in Kashmir). A lot more effort to build a sort of interaction. A lot of movement of known Maoist sympathisers now travelling to Srinagar and organising seminars and conferences with supporters of militant violence in Jammu and Kashmir as well," he said in reply to a question.

He alleged that not only were there visible links but also several covert connections between them.

"There are visible links on public platforms. There are also invisible links that are sought to be built with universities and also the active militants on the ground," the chief minister said.

Abdullah was apparently alluding to Maoist sympathisers like writer-activist Arundhati Roy who had expressed support to Kashmiri separatists at a programme here where pro-Azadi slogans were also raised. Later, Roy and others visited Jammu & Kashmir to espouse their cause.

[Raghavendra]

^why do you call truth as whine, dont we all know how self proclaimed intellectuals were instrumental in preparing 'strike calendars' and terror seminars

[eklavya]

If I were an indigenous Kashmiri terrorist, this statement of support from Norway would be a most depressing development indeed. Norway was one of the only countries in the world criticising Sri Lanka in its operations against the LTTE. Now they have chosen the other end of the subcontinent to back a losing cause.

[CRamS]

Norway's statement is no more important than say the Mexcian fisherman union statement that J&K is an integral part of India .

[Pulikeshi]

^^ Norway is awash with oil money, so they can play havoc in India, Israel, Middle-East, etc.
Best to look for incentives that will keep them on a tight leash.

[eklavya]

Norway does not give money, arms or intelligence to LeT, Hamas, etc. Let them talk ... no one listens.

[RajeshA]

Just talked to a friend in Norway, and she was saying that the present government in Norway is giving the Muslim immigrants all facilities and leeway to live according to their rules and laws. In schools there is segregation between boys and girls when they play sport. They have their own councils, etc. And her husband is most probably going to be supporting the Progress Party, which wants to let those Pakistanis know that they are in a foreign country, and it is - my way or the highway back to Pakistan.

[wig]

Pooja Express stopped for over 2 hours, searches at Kathua station- 3 Myanmar nationals detained from train

the Myanmarese were whisked away for sustained questioning during which they revealed that they had been staying at Jama Masjid, Narwal for past few days. Now they claimed that they were shifting to Olia Masjid in Jaipur. They had named one Tahir, who had helped them to stay in Narwal mosque.

The trio was without passports or any other travel documents excepting the train tickets.

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/

[wig]

Srinagar’s ‘disturbed area’ tag may go
The government is reportedly keen on excluding Srinagar city from the list under the Disturbed Areas Act. However, questions are being raised by the Army on the long-term repercussions of such a move. If Srinagar is removed from the list of disturbed areas, it would automatically render the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) ineffective in the summer capital of the state. Sources said the Army’s stand was clear that it would not operate in areas where the AFSPA was not in operation. The government was aware of the same.

Sources said the Army had termed it as a “move fraught with danger”. It also saw it as a hindrance in protecting key posts along the Line of Control with Pakistan and also those in Ladakh facing China. Army’s main supply lines to Kargil and Ladakh passed through Srinagar. The route was much more reliable than the Manali-Leh route that was prone to landslides and remained snow-bound for much longer time every year. The Army even cited the example of Manipur where the Disturbed Areas Act was not applicable to the capital city, Imphal. It had not helped in anyway, it said.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20101121/main7.htm

[chetak]

Srinagar’s ‘disturbed area’ tag may go
The government is reportedly keen on excluding Srinagar city from the list under the Disturbed Areas Act. However, questions are being raised by the Army on the long-term repercussions of such a move. If Srinagar is removed from the list of disturbed areas, it would automatically render the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) ineffective in the summer capital of the state. Sources said the Army’s stand was clear that it would not operate in areas where the AFSPA was not in operation. The government was aware of the same.

Sources said the Army had termed it as a “move fraught with danger”. It also saw it as a hindrance in protecting key posts along the Line of Control with Pakistan and also those in Ladakh facing China. Army’s main supply lines to Kargil and Ladakh passed through Srinagar. The route was much more reliable than the Manali-Leh route that was prone to landslides and remained snow-bound for much longer time every year. The Army even cited the example of Manipur where the Disturbed Areas Act was not applicable to the capital city, Imphal. It had not helped in anyway, it said.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20101121/main7.htm

The removal of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) is a previously vocalised and demanded pak army agenda. That "Indians" are actively conniving to surreptiously to help this agenda is by itself dangereous.

If terrorists take refuge in areas where the act is removed or rendered ineffective, the j&k police will not be of much help for very obvious reasons.

If the IA is called in to help without the cover of the act ( which is a given, going by the way things are shaping up) it cannot refuse nor can it do it's job effectively.

The IA is being set up by the foolish omar who is bloody minded about making an obscure point.

Strangling strategic supply routes is a very legitimate enemy action.

[svinayak]

The removal of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) is a previously vocalised and demanded pak army agenda. That "Indians" are actively conniving to surreptiously to help this agenda is by itself dangereous.

If Indians are supporting Pak army agenda - this is due to sustained psy ops in the media.
This is part of the Pak groups gaining influence inside the opinion making media

[chetak]

The removal of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) is a previously vocalised and demanded pak army agenda. That "Indians" are actively conniving to surreptiously to help this agenda is by itself dangereous.

If Indians are supporting Pak army agenda - this is due to sustained psy ops in the media.
This is part of the Pak groups gaining influence inside the opinion making media

Acharya saab,

If professional lobbyists are dealing with DDM "journalists" then common sense dictates that that the logic used is money. The well known no free lunch theory.

It's the same with the paki lobby. Look at the stupidly alarmingly regularity with which even their rabid ex ISI types are being given much media space by very specific TV channels and "anchors".

These channels are well aware of the public opposition to such reportage but still persist. There has to be a loathsome reason for this.

By the way, not a single channel seems to have carried the radia tapes controversy.

Hamam me saab nange hai??

This is padmashri journalism.

[Abhi_G]

One small good thing is that Norway is not in EU, so the shitt produced in Norway Parliament does not get transported to EU.

Rajesh,

This is bang in the middle of Brussels. Every year during August 15 and January 26, there are demonstrations outside Indian embassy.

http://www.kashmircentre.org/KCEU/Home/Home.html

[sanjeevpunj]

Who the hell still wants to get rid of AFSPA. Let's bury forever those who weaken the Indian State.

[Pratyush]

Dont know if this has been posted.

Protests greet Roy in Orissa

Here's a jem

Writer Arundhati Roy was at the receiving end of her own tactic of dissent and protest here on Sunday when ABVP activists tried to stop her from attending a meeting on tribal rights for her controversial remark last month supporting ''azad Kashmir''.

[Lalmohan]

norway has a sizeable and unloved pakistani minority
entirely possible that some localised votebank political statements are underway

[Pratyush]

Was the same case with the illfated LTTE and the mideast piss process. Or they had diffrent motivations in those cases.

[Varoon Shekhar]

Terrorists and terrorism in Afghanistan, Pakistan AND within Indian Kashmir, are making it difficult for India to solve the problem of terrorism. India has been a bigger victim than the US, and Norway has barely suffered at all.

[Rishirishi]

Norway has a sizable tsp population, as well as muslims. Hence the political parties tend to make some statements from time to time. But it is at very low level, and hardly noticed.
Its nothing.

[anupmisra]

Terrorists and terrorism in Afghanistan, Pakistan AND within Indian Kashmir, are making it difficult for India to solve the problem of terrorism. India has been a bigger victim than the US, and Norway has barely suffered at all.

Not so fast. Norway has a sizeable paki population. Isnt that (latent) suffering in the long run? Wait till the piglets cross the mandatory 5% of the population count. Clicky

[anupmisra]

Norway's statement is no more important than say the Mexcian fisherman union statement that J&K is an integral part of India .

What!! Please re-read what you just wrote, CRS.

[Pranav]

By the way, the professional wailer Basharat Peer has been on the payroll of Soros' "Open Society Foundation", which sponsors "color revolutions" all over the place. See http://www.soros.org/initiatives/fellow ... /peer_2009

See also The Secret Financial Network Behind "Wizard" George Soros - http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs0 ... soros.html

[arjunm]

One Hurryiat Rat Mirwaz is beaten up in Chandigarh by the Pandits-

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vide ... 987190.cms

[Ashley Kravitz]

^
Flowerpots galore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqZeRxjU ... r_embedded

[Nihat]

One Hurryiat Rat Mirwaz is beaten up in Chandigarh by the Pandits-

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/vide ... 987190.cms

Very pround of VHP, this man and all his types should be hecked and abused across the leangth and width of India.