Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

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These days I am more a lurker on the forum, but couldnt resist posting on this discussion, especially as allegations seem to be thrown without any basis at various people randomly..And the one quoted below was really so bizarre...
Rahul Mehta wrote:Anyone knows who was the Telecom Minister and Disinvestment Minister when Tata murkily sold 26% of VSNL? Any guesses on how much bribes they each got in cash or kind (kind can be favorable newspaper coverage from Radia)?
I guess you mean how the Tatas "bought", presumably murkily, its stake in VSNL..Please study the case..This is actually a classic instance of the government using its discretionary executive powers to screw a private company right royally...Facts :

1. Before "disinvestment", the govt stripped off nearly 3,500 crores of VSNL's cash reserves through a series of special dividends...

2. A 26% (not 25) stake was sold to the Tatas, for a consideration of 1439 crores, which was a 25% premium over the then-market price of the shares (if I remember correcly)....The Tatas subsequently acquired 20% more through an open offer from the market...

3. As per the agreement, the company could not do ANYTHING with the fixed assets (read real estate) of VSNL barring what they were being used for already...So no selling, leasing, reorganising of the real estate of the company...Till date, they cant even dispose off property that they no longer require (the merger with Tata Teleservices has created redundancies)...

4. Last, and this takes the cream...When VSNL was sold, it was a monopoly provider of all international telephone traffic in and out of India...Its profitability (and therefore valuations) were therefore in line with that of a monopoly...A few months AFTER the sale, government changed the rules of the sector overnight and allowed virtually free entry of operators into international telephone carriage...Apparently, this was something that the Tatas were always apprehensive about, but were given verbal assurances on...Anyways, overnight, operating margins on the sector dropped by nearly 80-90%...

Result: Tatas ended up with a huge lemon with this purchase (for the money they spent) - if there was "corruption" in this deal, it surely wsnt initiated by them!

There is no point speculating on personal allegations being made here...But just a few thoughts on telecom licenses and spectrum..

The question on whether an auction of spectrum is the "best" way of going about is an open question..Various countries have differing experiences on it..UK for example, nearly had most of its large telcos going bankrupt after its 3G auction! The poblem with what Raja did with 2D is not the point on auction, and IMO CAG (and the media) has sort of got it completely wrong there....FCFS (first come first served) was a principle was adopted earlier (and Raja is right on that)...What he did was to manipulate that system to favour a few selected companies..To the extent that licenses and spectrum became a test of a company rep's atheletic skills! Arun shourie explains it well in that interview with Shekhar Gupta...On the specific point, its debatable whether our call rates would be so low in case companies had to pay so much for 2G spectrum...Now with a structurally different size of the user base, the affordibilities on spectrum prices are different..

Last bit on the telephone intercepts...None of them, not even the most incriminating ones with Vir Sanghvi and Barkha Dtt, show any criminal intent...None of it will stand any scrutiny in a court...What it does show is that some journos are ready to become lobbyists, which is a matter of professional ethics, not criminality...A lot of the rest ("he says congress meri dukaan hai") is casual conversation...A lot of us make similar comments, at times exxaggerated about colleagues, bosses, friedns all the time...Again, it shows up the unconfortably close links between business and politics, but to conclude that everyone therefore is a "chor" is a bit far fetched...
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somnath, there is no point in replying with facts to Rahul Mehta. Your listing of the VSNL affair was enlightening, I was not aware of the real estate restriction either

What Burkha Dutt, Vir Sanghvi and Niira Radia have done / are doing is par for the course in most Western countries. Even in India it is not illegal (unless they were offering bags of cash to Raja which is not proven yet by transcripts)... ethically wrong yes, illegal no.

Raja on the other hand is a completely different affair.
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Ethnically wrong yes and not illegal. Then lets make it illegal. These media persons are in bed with the ruling party and can be misused to attack the opposition and spread canards and misinformation about the opposition. The bias/slant of these media persons are well known, but if/when they will start working maliciously against the opposition then who would know that they are not doing so because of their closeness with the ruling party.

Further these media people could be advancing an corporate lobbyist's agenda by being compromised and exposing themselves to graft, vice and corruption. Barkha Dutt and Vir Sanghi are spent force now as far as their reach in the media is concerned.
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I like Vir Sanghvi's articles on omelets!!

I hope he keeps writing on (and only on) omelets.
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AbhishekD wrote:Then lets make it illegal
Abhishek, problem is, what is it that you will make illegal? A journo talking to a lobbyist? A journo promising another person that she will pass on a message to a politician? A journo agreeing to write acording to views expressed by another person? In none of these scenarios is criminal culpability established...But really, the ultimate "punishment" is the loss of credibility, what would be Barkha Dutt's credibility when she questions a politician on probity now?
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Another interesting nugget of info..As far as I know, no country has really auctioned 2G spectrum till date...The reason for that is tech has leapfrogged so fast from 2G to 3G that regulators/govt have had no time to think of doing it! Telecom licenses have been auctioned in various countries, but not 2G spectrum...The auction process really started with allocation of 3G spectrum around the world, because 3G was supposed to be a money spinner (with IPTV, wireless interenet and so on) and the number of telcos just shot up...
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Tanaji wrote:What Burkha Dutt, Vir Sanghvi and Niira Radia have done / are doing is par for the course in most Western countries.
Tanaji not too sure if its par for the course in Western/US media, that is the respected sections of it. Recently Keith Olbermann was suspended by MSNBC for making campaign donations to two US congressmen of around $1,200 each.

Now I don't know if there's more than meets the eye in that but the official reason cited was that newscasters have to be and appear to be non-partisan.

If you apply the same yardstick to Barkha Dutt, she has already lost her credibility as she's come out of this looking like a lobbyist on behalf of both DMK and Congress.

As the ToI report I posted on the last page says, today's TV journalism in India depends on sensationalism, secret tapes and near merciless hounding of "so-called wrongdoers". Mind you, I'm not saying that's bad but people who do that to others should use the same standards on themselves and their ilk, na? I find it incredible that NDTV could come out with a statement like that in support of Barkha Dutt and threatening legal action against Openmagazine. At least the HT management has been a bit more discreet.

Also, it could very well be that no monetary transaction took place. God knows the like of Dutt and Shanghvi make oodles of money - on top of that Shanghvi comes from a very rich family. However, the pull is in the intoxication of feeling a part of the power structure in the world's largest democracy. Simply put the lure is the ability to make or break alliances and facilitate power broking.

Journalists by very nature of their profession are sought after and pampered by the high and mighty, especially top flight ones like those caught on tape. However, they need to remember that they are given importance not for what or who they are but for what they represent that is an outlet for publicity which politicians, businessmen and everyone need. Unfortunately in the intoxication of power it's easy to forget that. That's when it's easy to fall into the trap set by conniving power brokers.

At the end of the day, if you look at it dispassionately, Barkha Dutt and Vir Shanghvi were used like minions by that woman who actually made the moola (dunno if she gave any to them but certainly she's the one who made the tons). Radia certainly didn't do all this for her patriotic feelings or sense of duty. She got paid for it and she easily manipulated these poor fools.
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somnath wrote:Another interesting nugget of info..As far as I know, no country has really auctioned 2G spectrum till date...The reason for that is tech has leapfrogged so fast from 2G to 3G that regulators/govt have had no time to think of doing it! Telecom licenses have been auctioned in various countries, but not 2G spectrum...The auction process really started with allocation of 3G spectrum around the world, because 3G was supposed to be a money spinner (with IPTV, wireless interenet and so on) and the number of telcos just shot up...
But that is not the issue me thinks? The issue is whatever mechanism is adopted (auction, grant etc) has to be fair and transparent to all. In most countries that matter, it has been and the governments have gained revenue from it. If it was unfair, it was unfair to all (3G auction in UK a case in point). This is clearly not the case in India for 2G.

amit wrote:At the end of the day, if you look at dispassionately, Barkha Dutt and Vir Shanghvi were used like minions by that woman who actually made the moola (dunno if she gave any to them but certainly she's the one who made the tons). Radia certainly didn't do all this for her patriotic feelings or sense of duty. She got paid for it and she easily manipulated these poor fools.
True of course. Have you noticed that she allowed herself to be interrogated by ED for 7 hours straight? IIRC she is based in UK and was in UK when the scam broke. The very fact that she presented herself in New Delhi to an organisation like ED (given its past history with Rajan Pillai etc) means that she is quite sure of herself that she wont be arrested and is probably reasonably sure she is going to be let off. Speaks volumes of her connections and pulls

The entities involved in this scam are far too powerful and all encompassing to be brought to justice. It is not a Laloo scam where one party benefited. This is most of the corporate world, that typically controls the financial reins of all political parties: no way are they going to get indicted.
Tanaji not too sure if its par for the course in Western/US media, that is the respected sections of it. Recently Keith Olbermann was suspended by MSNBC for making campaign donations to two US congressmen of around $1,200 each.
True and there is the indictment of Tom Delay with prison time as well... But my point was being a lobbyist is a recognised employment in US/West. Here it is more of nudge/wink wink type of thing. There are rules that at least most lobbyist make a pretence of following... here it is a free for all.

BTW, who actually gave the transcripts to the media? Surely some legal agency did the tap, who actually released them to Open magazine?
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Tanaji wrote:But that is not the issue me thinks? The issue is whatever mechanism is adopted (auction, grant etc) has to be fair and transparent to all. In most countries that matter, it has been and the governments have gained revenue from it. If it was unfair, it was unfair to all (3G auction in UK a case in point). This is clearly not the case in India for 2G.
Sure, integrity of the process and "quality" of the process are two different issues...The limited point was that media is barking up the wrong tree by saying "govt lost money" using hidsight 20:20 maths extrpolated from the 3G auction..The issue is of improprity in the process...
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Tanaji wrote:BTW, who actually gave the transcripts to the media? Surely some legal agency did the tap, who actually released them to Open magazine?
This is one issue that intrigues me as well. From what I've read (mostly on links on this thread) there are two schools of thought.

One is (IMO more plausible) that the IT department was wiretapping her phone over a period of time due to some IT violations and they stumbled on this.

The second theory is that Anil Ambani got the wiretapping done - which technically is no big deal given the technology/gadgets readily available nowadays.

Now both explanations lead to news questions.

If indeed it was the IT department, then given that we agree this woman has connections in the highest of high corridors of power, then how come the tapes were released at all? Do note it doesn't seem to be the handiwork of a whistle blower since it seems, again from reports, that the recordings were released in installments. In the case of a whistle blower, after the first release there would have been damage control. Also note no one in the Govt has said that the recordings are forgeries/not authentic.

If it's the second point then that raises its own set of issues. I know the tendency here is to look upon Anil bhai as being the paragon of propriety and honesty due to his anti-Congress political leanings while Mukesh, again due to his leanings, is seen, along with Tata, as conniving and scheming folks. Someone on this thread even asked God to bless Anil bhai! :lol:

But the fact remains that Anil is anti Congress precisely because his brother is pro. And if Mukesh leaned towards an anti line, Anil would become pro. Businessmen of their level know only one thing that is what would further their interests, there's no ideology involved.

Given that it's reasonable to assume that Anil has his own agenda and apart from the fact that wiretapping by a private entity is illegal, it also gives rise to two questions: 1) Were these selective leaks, meaning conversations which were not in Anil's advantage were not leaked or 2) Were these "doctored" leaks.

Really there are too many unknown factors in all this wire tapping business.

I really wonder if the meta strategy is to mix the two that is the 2G license granting impropriety with this wiretapping so that the confusion inherent in the wiretapping imbroglio takes away focus on the 2G scam?

For all you know, if a money trail is not found in the wiretapping issue or if no direct link can be established to the money that changed hands in the 2G scam, this Radia woman could walk away scotfree and the only collateral damage would be the reputations of some holier than thou journos.
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Amit: The way to get your things done, is for the government to do it for you. "Apni Dukan Hai". Means you pay and get your services. Lawful/Unlawful is only for those who cannot pay or are "fools".

Apply the above and then see the possibilities there.
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But given that Anil Ambani stands the most to lose with Swan telecom why would he release the recordings? I can as well argue maybe Mukesh Ambani did it to put Anil in trouble...

The Open website has been saying it was "telecom ministry" source. Not sure if that same source had access to the recordings, but it seems strange why it would.

Or here is the uber conspiracy theory of them all:
MMS did it! MMS couldnt act against Raja due to Rajmata's pressure, so he figured this round about way of getting Raja out.
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For all you know, if a money trail is not found in the wiretapping issue or if no direct link can be established to the money that changed hands in the 2G scam, this Radia woman could walk away scotfree and the only collateral damage would be the reputations of some holier than thou journos.
There is no evidence available currently so this is the most likely possibility. In fact her facing the ED so confidently is a sign towards her clout and confidence of extricating herself. A person that rubs shoulders with the entire Indian power structure .... its hard to imagine her going down. Can you imagine what skeletons she may have in her closet about her "clients"?

No, there is no way they will let Radia fall.
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So it is yet another case of the patriots in the GOI acting to preserve the interests of the nation. When faced with a whole bunch of people out to sell it to the lowest bidder.
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ShauryaT wrote:Amit: The way to get your things done, is for the government to do it for you. "Apni Dukan Hai". Means you pay and get your services. Lawful/Unlawful is only for those who cannot pay or are "fools".

Apply the above and then see the possibilities there.
Shaurya,

Please note, I'm not passing judgment here. I'm just pointing out two sources for the tapes as discussed here. Each "source" in my mind raises some questions, I just listed them out.

However, I'm now slowly coming to the view that it seems odd that the wiretapping scam, which essentially - from what information we have now - is a wheeling and dealing game of political machinations, is getting mixed up with the 2G scam.

I'm just wondering if that's a deliberate ploy to the murky up the investigation into the 2G bribe money investigation.

To me things look very murky.

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Tanaji wrote:
For all you know, if a money trail is not found in the wiretapping issue or if no direct link can be established to the money that changed hands in the 2G scam, this Radia woman could walk away scotfree and the only collateral damage would be the reputations of some holier than thou journos.
There is no evidence available currently so this is the most likely possibility. In fact her facing the ED so confidently is a sign towards her clout and confidence of extricating herself. A person that rubs shoulders with the entire Indian power structure .... its hard to imagine her going down. Can you imagine what skeletons she may have in her closet about her "clients"?

No, there is no way they will let Radia fall.
And that's precisely why I'm worried about this association with the 2G issue. Radia is big fish but even bigger fish are the ones who made money from the spectrum allocation. I could live with Radia getting away (provided that her only crime was wheeling and dealing for fat sums of money) but it would be travesty of justice if in the confusion the bigger fish also slipped the net.

Let's see how everything pans out.
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Talking of ethics
here is the great Aroon purie of India Today fame

http://in.news.yahoo.com/columnist/amit ... us-silence

obviously gets his editorials written by someone :)

makes a stupid excuse

http://mumbaiboss.com/2010/10/14/aroon- ... -too-much/


an oh he can organise the next enclave

another wet dreamer who thinks he pulls the strings of power

no wonder the journal stinks for the past decade
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somnath wrote:
AbhishekD wrote:Then lets make it illegal
Abhishek, problem is, what is it that you will make illegal? A journo talking to a lobbyist? A journo promising another person that she will pass on a message to a politician? A journo agreeing to write acording to views expressed by another person? In none of these scenarios is criminal culpability established...But really, the ultimate "punishment" is the loss of credibility, what would be Barkha Dutt's credibility when she questions a politician on probity now?
Sachin wrote:Read about an incident which happened in Kerala 2 months back. A young Police Sub Inspector in the afternoon stood at the town square to trap people driving under the influence of liquor. And soon he caught a family riding a bike. A kid placed on the petrol tank, hubby drunk and driving and wifey at the back. The SI took the drunk hubby into custody (for medical examination) and asked the kid and the wife to get back home in an auto rickshaw. It was not a surprise that the "people" (basically jobless idiots sitting in front of shops) sided with the drunken motor cycle rider. Their claim was that the SI was harassing the couple. No body even thought that the hubby was drunk and he may have met with the accident. Finally it went right up to the Dy.SP level (SI stuck to his guns and said he was just enforcing the law as it is written down), the drunken rider was charge sheeted, but as a negotiation move the SI was transferred to another PS in the same police sub-division. So when the so called "people" itself does not mind drunken driving, what point to have lengthly laws and acts drafted out?

Sachin in auto thread for context

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The media today,important elements of it,are going a step further n that they are trying to influence govts. and their policies.This is nothing unusual around the globe.Rupert Murdoch is the prime example,Berlusconi another media "prince",who like Machiavelli uses the media as a stiletto to stab,twist and turn into an opponent's guts.A v.well known scribe,friend of mine some time ago, told me that I would be shocked if I knew of the number of media entities who were being manipulated/in cahoots with Uncle Sam.However,the manner in which it is being done separates the wheat from the chaff so to speak.The TV channels have anchors who often sensationally play to the gallery in manner quite unlike the seasoned anchors one sees in foreign channels.Some on the other hand seem to be doing A or B party a favour by giving them the opportunity to express their viewpoint wihtout being too hard on them.

Take N.Ram for example.His magazine "Frontline" is an excellent bi-monthly,that has well-written articles with deep content ,which also has an open bias towards a "socialist" agenda as opposed to "crony capatalism".Ram's ideological leanings are thus well spelt out.Decades ago,we had Russi Karanjia with his Bombay red rag "Blitz",jousting ideologically in ink with D.F.Karaka's "Current".It was superb to read both Bombay mags ,sadly defunct,more's the pity, for they were two outstanding journalists.One of them was the first Indian to interview Chou-En-Lai.Sadly MJ Akbar's Calcutta chronicle "Sunday" also went for a "Burton".These days,India Today appears to be more of "Indian Advertising Today" than its former self.Barring Sandeep's excellent reporting on def. and security and contributions from a few other scribes,the reading content has dwindled and the mag takes mere minutes to finish.Raj Chengappa is no longer with it too.Outlook contains far more information about current events and the Week has its own southern style as USP.There are several new entrants like Tehelka,Open,etc.,which will have to carve out their own patch of turf in the highly contested dangerous environment in which they survive.

The Spectrum-2G tapes however have revealed the insidious nature of some media personalities today,who have descended into the ditch with their sleazy wheeling and dealing,willing to do tricks for anyone with power or hard cash.
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Gujarat Samachar, 25th november Thursday 2010
Page no. 5 Desh-Videsh Section

Rajmata's two sisters have also got some cut in 2G spectrum scam: Subramaniyam Swami

...

Bribe has been distributed among four - 30-30% each to two sisters of 'Rajmata' - nadia and anushka while Mkarunanidhi also got 30%. Total 60K crore has been taken as bribe. Rajababu got 10% of 60k crore.

no evidence has been produced by swami though. :roll:
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Was Gujarati Bahu Niira Radia a ‘Nano link’ between Modi and Tata?

http://deshgujarat.com/2010/11/25/was-g ... -and-tata/
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:) :D
No need to worry. Some folks dont need to produce evidence. Their word is enough. Let the truth prevail!

***ducking for cover***
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Mauli wrote:Image


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Was Gujarati Bahu Niira Radia a ‘Nano link’ between Modi and Tata?

http://deshgujarat.com/2010/11/25/was-g ... -and-tata/
Tanaji is spot on. Too well connected on all sides to be prosecuted. From Raja to NaMo! :eek:
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Amit,

Contrast Niira Radia's behaviour with someone as influential as IPL's Lalit Modi. At the first hint of ED's investigation he has holed himself up in UK unwilling to return. This lady calmly walks in and does a 7 hour interview. With ED, there is no such thing as "innocent"... so you have to be awfully sure of yourself or extremely stupid. That lady is the first one me thinks, on many grounds.

She being a UK citizen also helps for her cause, ED cant do the usual danda tactics with her.
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Tanaji wrote: She being a UK citizen also helps for her cause, ED cant do the usual danda tactics with her.
When SDREs actually treat other SDREs with respect, that's when India would have come of age. But the training ensures that SDREs treat everyone else with courtesy except with other SDREs where they take lot of liberty. This happens uniformly across the govt. machinery.

Anyways, she is a known lobbyist and a fixer. It is her job to be the important node in the network mesh. She can sell anything for a paise, as long as she gets her cut. The consequences are of and should be of no concern for a fixer. Well, its the parties who use her that have to face the consequences. Unfortunately, even the stake holders such as Raja start behaving as the fixer, to take a cut and sell their grandma for a puff of beedi. The stake holders do not care, if the public gets shafted, as long as they get their cut. This is where the investigation and consequences should focus. The fixers, well are fixers.
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Serious questions to Rahul Mehta.
1) Can you please name 10 politicians of significance at the national level who are not corrupt and are honest?
2) Can you please name 5 politicians of significance at Gujarath level who are not corrupt and are honest? (you may include your name in the list :) )

The reason, these questions are being posed, is not because you paint everyone with a broad brush, but to understand what actually takes to reach any significance in political field, is being corrupt a pre-requisite in real world, and not in utopian Rahul Mehta's world.
Corruption is confined to be far away from the commons in most countries. When commons do not face the brunt on a day-to-day basis, then corruption will be ignored.
Before drafting, we have to get a handle on how to deal with corruption before it occurs, and not think of punitive actions after it occurs. Maintain health, before start furiously trying to come up with various cures for disease. And please do not link to your pdf drafts in every post please.
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amit wrote:And that's precisely why I'm worried about this association with the 2G issue. Radia is big fish but even bigger fish are the ones who made money from the spectrum allocation. I could live with Radia getting away (provided that her only crime was wheeling and dealing for fat sums of money) but it would be travesty of justice if in the confusion the bigger fish also slipped the net.
Let's see how everything pans out.
I am fairly confident that nothing will come out. For extreme young ones on this forum let me put the chronological aspects of a different scam and how close the investigators were and in the end nothing happend. This spectrum scam seems to have similar aspects. Foreign banks, middlemen and tapes (instead of diaries).

Here is some blog link though this is there everywhere. I suggest the members to read thru to understand the entire dynamics of how it happened in India for bigger stuff and when powerful are involved.

One of the most famous scandal of India
Quattrocchi has been covered widely in the media because of his involvement in the Bofors Scandal and his friendship with Rajiv and his Italian-born wife Sonia Gandhi. Magazine cover from India TodayOttavio Quattrocchi is an Italian businessman who was being sought until early 2009 in India for criminal charges for acting as a conduit for bribes in the Bofors scandal.

Quattrocchi`s role in this scandal, and his proximity to Indian prime minister Rajiv Gandhi through his Italian wife Sonia Gandhi (Antonia Maino), is thought to have contributed to the defeat of the Congress Party in the 1989 elections. Ten years later (1999), the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) named Quattrocchi in a chargesheet as the conduit for the Bofors bribe. The case against him was strengthened in June 2003, when Interpol revealed two bank accounts, 5A5151516M and 5A5151516L, held by Quattrocchi and his wife Maria with the BSI AG bank, London, containing Euros 3 million and $1 million, a `curiously large savings for a salaried executive`.In January 2006, these frozen bank accounts were unexpectedly released by India`s law ministry, apparently without the consent of the CBI which had asked for them to be frozen.

On 6 February 2007, Ottavio Quattrocchi was detained in Argentina on the basis of the Interpol warrant. The Indian investigating agency CBI came under attack for putting up a half-hearted effort towards his extradition and India lost the case for his extradition in June 2007, the judge remarking that `India did not even present proper legal documents`.Embarrassingly, India was asked to pay Ottavio`s legal expenses.

Ottavio`s financier son, Massimo Quattrocchi, grew up with Sonia Gandhi`s children Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi, who are currently rising through the political hierarchy in India. Massimo currently advises the Luxembourg-based firm Clubinvest on business opportunities in India. He visits India frequently, and runs an office in Bangalore. He was present in India at the time of his father`s Argentina arrest in February 2007, and there is speculation that he may have met Priyanka Vadra around that time.

Quattrocchi influence with Rajiv and Sonia Gandhi
Quattrocchi, born in Mascali, province of Catania, Sicily, arrived in India in the mid 60`s as the representative of Italian oil and gas firm Eni and its engineering arm Snamprogetti. His family became close to the Gandhi family based on their connection with Rajiv Gandhi`s Italian wife Sonia Gandhi, now the president of the ruling Indian National Congress party. The Special judge Prem Kumar observed in his order of November 14, 2002:

Around 1974, Quattrocchi was introduced to Rajiv Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi by an Italian named Mr. Molinari. Then Mrs. and Mr. Quattrocchi started visiting Rajiv Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi. Children of both sides were frequent visitors to each other. At that time Rajiv Gandhi was a pilot in Indian Airlines Italian food and other gifts were also being exchanged between them. Quattrocchi thus became very close to Rajiv Gandhi and his wife.

Their children grew up together, and based on this friendship, Quattrocchi had become so influential at the office of the Prime Minister `that bureaucrats used to stand up when Quattrocchi visited them.` Ashok Malik notes in The Pioneer:

From roughly 1980 to 1987 - Indira Gandhi`s final years and Rajiv Gandhi`s honeymoon years - Quattrocchi had the Midas touch. No deal was refused to him. `It was understood,` remembers a Congressman from the original Mrs G`s days, `that a fertiliser contract meant Snamprogetti. That was considered the favour to Sonia and Rajiv.`

That his influence extended to ministers was noted by VP Singh, who initially pursued the Bofors scandal, and whose testimony is summarized in a court judgement:

V.P. Singh, Finance Minister in the Rajiv Gandhi Cabinet, has stated that Quattrocchi had sought appointment with him on a number of occasions but he did not give him any appointment. Rajiv Gandhi then asked him to meet Mr. Quattrocchi ... The link between the public servants, politicians and Quattrocchi looms large in these deals. The award of Jagdishpur Fertilizer Plant to Quattrocchi, changing earlier decision for SPIC, is a clear case.

He won about 60 projects for Snamprogetti, including:

1981: the five Alibag (Thal Vaishet) plants from RCF, four Kribhco plants in Hazira, as well as the ONGC gas pipeline in Hazira.
1983: National Fertilisers Limited`s (NFL`s) plant in Una and two plants in Guna.
1984: IFFCO`s three plants in Aonla.
1987: Nagarjuna Fertilizers and Chemicals Limited`s two plants in Kakinada.
In the process, it also became known that for contracts with India, Quattrocchi was the man to approach.

When orders did not go through, as in the Hazira-Bijapur-Jagdishpur (HBJ) pipeline (1985), where Spie Capag of France had `bid a few hundred crores lower.` Vengeance was swift. Nawal Kishore Sharma lost his job as petroleum minister and was reduced to Congress general secretary. PK Kaul found his term as cabinet secretary ending prematurely and was sent to Washington, DC, as ambassador. The petroleum secretary, AS Gill, never made it to contention for cabinet secretary. The chairman of the Gas Authority of India, HS Cheema, was removed.

The Bofors Scandal


In 1984, a tender was floated for Howitzer guns for the Indian Army. On evaluation, the French Sofma gun was found to be the best in terms of price and features. The Army needed a range of 30 km Army chief Krishnaswamy Sundarji favoured the Sofma because in field trials showed its range as 29.2 km against 21.5 for Bofors. Furthermore, as was revealed much later, Bofors was (illegally) permitted to alter its bid without re-tendering.Eventually, despite the objections of the army and others, the order went to Bofors.

The Bofors scandal erupted after a 1987 report on Swedish radio, claiming that Bofors had paid bribes to secure the contract. A firm called AE Services was named - it was found to have a paid up capital of lira 100, and no employees The reporter Chitra Subramaniam of The Hindu obtained the private diary of Bofors MD Martin Ardbo, which revealed comments such as `Q`s involvement may be a problem because of closeness to R.`. The identity of `Q` became clearer when Chitra identified the Swiss bank where the AE Services` money went to, and determined that it was operated by Ottavio Quattrocchi. These were subsequently reinforced by the documents obtained by CBI from Switzerland, but these were eventually ruled out in court because they were photocopies, and not originals.

Once the scandal broke, the ruling Congress Party came under severe fire, eventually losing the elections in 1989. In July 1993, the Swiss courts had permitted naming the account operators, and Quattrocchi had been officially named. At this point, CBI attempted to question Quattrocchi, and permission was sought to impound his passport. However, just before Quattrocchi could be detained, on the night of July 29-30 1993, Quattrocchi left Delhi for Kuala Lumpur. It was alleged that he had been let off as part of a deal between Sonia Gandhi and the-then prime minister PV Narasimha Rao.

In March 1999, Quattrocchi gave an interview claiming that never received any payment from Bofors, and that he did not have `any connection with A.E. Services`. Around the same time, Sonia Gandhi spoke up for him in her first press conference

The CBI has found him suspect. But we have not seen till today the papers that he has done something.
On October 22, 1999, with the BJP-led NDA government in power, the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) filed a chargesheet against Quattrocchi, naming AE Services as a front company run by Quattrocchi and his wife Maria. Based on 500 documents released by Swiss banks after protracted legal delays, the CBI framed charges against Quattrocchi and his wife, Maria WN Chadha and his wife, Kanta. Among the conspirators named in the case were Rajiv Gandhi, and some other party functionaries. Chitra Subramaniam showed that Quattrocchi, through A.E. Services, had been paid 3% of the sale, about US $ 7 million, as commission.

Attempts to extradite Quattrocchi from Malaysia failed owing to lack of compelling evidence and in 2003 Quattrocchi returned to Italy. It has been reported that Indian requests for extradition or serving the Interpol warrant were turned down by Italy, who have requested to see the evidence and prosecute Quattrocchi in Italian courts.

On February 5, 2004 the Delhi High Court quashed the charges of bribery against Rajiv Gandhi and others, citing inadequate evidence that any of the commission was actually paid to them. Sonia Gandhi celebrated:

After 17 years of abuse and vilification, it`s a special moment today for me and my children, Rahul and Priyanka.

However, the case was not dead two charges - cheating, and causing wrongful loss to the Government, continue in the courts.

Meanwhile Win Chadha also died.


On May 31, 2005, the High Court of Delhi dismissed the Bofors case allegations against the British business brothers, Shrichand, Gopichand and Prakash Hinduja, a main point was the technical issue that the CBI had not certified the photocopies of the vital documents from the Swedish authorities it had submitted to the court.

De-freezing of accounts
In June 2003, a London branch of the Swiss bank BSI AG was found by the Interpol to have two accounts held by Quattrocchi and his wife Maria, containing Euros 3 million and $1 million. These accounts were then frozen upon the request of the CBI. Several appeals by Quattrocchi to de-freeze these accounts were turned down by British courts, based on vigorous marshalling of evidence by the CBI.

However, on December 22, 2005, the Indian government position changed rather suddenly. The law minister Hansraj Bhardwaj deputed the additional solicitor general of India, Mr. B. Dutta, to London to specifically request release of these accounts. However, it appears that the law ministry never consulted the investigating agency, CBI in this matter.

According to an e-mail from the British authorities (cited in India Today),

Mr Datta conveyed his instructions on behalf of the Government of India, the Ministry of Justice and the Central Bureau of Investigation that no useful purpose will be served by maintaining the Restraining Order dated July 25, 2003, as there is no longer any reasonable prospect of the case against Mr Quattrocchi proceeding to trial.

On January 16, 2006, a Public Interest Litigation was filed in the Supreme Court, and the CBI was ordered to ensure that the money was not withdrawn until the reasons for the government decision were clarified. The CBI asserted in court that Ottavio Quattrocchi was still wanted in charges related to Bofors. It has been alleged by a writ petition in the Supreme Court that B.B. Dutta may have acted under orders from the law minister Hans Raj Bhardwaj and that the CBI was most likely not consulted. In any event, by the time of the Supreme Court decision, the amount of more than US$4 million, had been withdrawn from these two accounts.

The issue caused parliamentary criticism of the government action, and also weakened the position of Sonia Gandhi, coming as it did within a year of the coalition led by her coming to power in the 2004 Elections. The main case against Quattrocchi continues to trickle through the Indian court system.

Arrest in Argentina

On 6 February 2007, Quattrocchi was detained in Argentina on the basis of the Interpol warrant. The events unfolded as follows:

Late January, 2007: Ottavio Quattrocchi, despite having a warrant from Interpol in his name, takes an Alitalia flight from Italy to Buenos Aires, where he spends a few days, before proceeding to visit the Iguazu Falls. This area is a prominent tourist attraction, but is also a drug and terror alert region.

February 6, 2007: At Iguazu, Quattrocchi goes over to nearby Brazil but is detained at Iguazu airport on his return on the basis of an Indian arrest warrant for 'Falsification of Documents', later shown to be illegal by the Argentine court that tried Quattrocchi.
February 8: Interpol informs CBI about Quattrocchi's detention
February 13: The CBI responding to the Indian Supreme Court on a matter relating to money withdrawn by Italian businessman Ottavio Quattrocchi, does not mention the fact of Quattrocchi's detention. CBI admits later that it had this information at the time. Agency director Vijai Shankar is facing contempt of court charges in the matter.

February 23: CBI releases a statement about Quattrocchi's arrest in Argentina:
It has been informed by the Argentine authorities through diplomatic channels that Italian national Ottavio Quattrocchi, an accused in CBI Case RC.1(A)/90-ACU.IV/SIG (Bofors Case) and subject of Interpol Red Corner Notice # A-44/2/1997, has been detained and taken in preventive custody on February 6, 2007. Quattrocchi was detained at Iguazu International Airport in Argentina province of Misiones while in transit to Buenos Aires.
February 24: The opposition party BJP claims that this late release of information was orchestrated by the Congress government to avoid embarrassment to Sonia Gandhi during the ongoing state elections in Punjab and Uttaranchal.
February 26: Quattrocchi released on bail. It appears that the CBI/India was not represented in the matter. On the other hand, the Italian government supported Quattrocchi, with the Consul General of Italy being himself present in court.
March 2: The CBI sends a team to fight the extradition case coming up for which papers need to be filed by March 7. An English speaking lawyer is appointed by CBI.
June 9: The request for the extradition of Ottavio Quattrocchi is rejected by the court of El Dorado, Argentina on three counts:
1) The 1997 arrest warrant which specified as a motivation, 'falsification of documents' was deemed to be illegal and based on an unsubstantiated accusation,
2) The 1997 arrest warrant had in any case been 'used' by the prior arrest of Quattrocchi in Malaysia,
3)Arrest warrant and court order issued after the arrest of Quattrocchi, on February 23, 2007 was deemed to be arbitrary. The detailed judgment commented that 'the CBI's request was not backed by ample judicial documents'.In a final blow to the CBI, the investigative agency was also to pay the legal fees of Quattrocchi.

Allegations re: Massimo Quattrocchi

At the time of the Argentine arrest, Massimo Quattrocchi was had purportedly been in India for seven months. He had arrived in New Delhi on July 21, 2006, on Lufthansa flight 760, and left by Lufthansa flight 761 on February 22.

There was a sixteen day delay between when the CBI was informed about Quattrocchi's arrest in Argentina (February 7) and when the information was made public (February 23, the day after Massimo's departure). This together with the failure by CBI to explain their reasons for the delay has led to speculations on a possible Massimo role.

The CBI director, Vijai Shankar explained the delay saying that it took time to translate the documents from Spanish, but this explanation appeared lame, and it turned out to be false since the intimation was sent by the Indian Embassy in English.

This delay, similar to the delay in informing the public about the de-freezing of the accounts, remained unanswered, leading to considerable speculation.

On February 17, Massimo was allegedly seen at a party thrown by the brother of Rajya Sabha MP Baijayant Jay Panda of the Biju Janata Dal, where Priyanka Vadra was also present. Any meeting between Priyanka and Massimo was vigorously denied by Congress General Secretary Digvijay Singh, but when interviewer Karan Thapar asked him how he knew, he simply repeated the denial. Subsequently however, it was reported that the agencies were investigating his presence at the party, at the instance of Rahul Gandhi.

The presence of Massimo in this crucial period has led to charges by the opposition parties that Massimo, who grew up with Priyanka and Rahul Gandhi, may have influenced the highest levels of the Indian government resulting in the inept CBI legal process that lost the case in Argentina. However, the Congress spokesman blamed the loss in Argentina to earlier NDA government incompetence: 'we lost to three courts in Malaysia'.

Damage to the Congress Party
The Bofors scandal is now two decades old, and Ottavio Quattocchi having been named as the main beneficiary in the payoff continues to hurt Sonia Gandhi.he position of the law minister Hansraj Bharadwaj has been compromised,and the integrity of the prime minister Manmohan Singh, has also been brought into question.

Interpol Removes the red corner Notice
In April 2009, The Interpol removed the red-corner notice issued against Ottavio Quattrocchi after a request from the Central Bureau of Investigation.
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JwalaMukhi wrote:Anyways, she is a known lobbyist and a fixer. It is her job to be the important node in the network mesh. She can sell anything for a paise, as long as she gets her cut. The consequences are of and should be of no concern for a fixer. Well, its the parties who use her that have to face the consequences. Unfortunately, even the stake holders such as Raja start behaving as the fixer, to take a cut and sell their grandma for a puff of beedi. The stake holders do not care, if the public gets shafted, as long as they get their cut. This is where the investigation and consequences should focus. The fixers, well are fixers.
It is too early to say but I think she may not have done anything wrong in the context of India. She may be doing just her job. She is a lobbyist and promoter of various businesses. In that persuit she has all sorts of connections. I don't see any problem areas here.

The corruption is in the Government corridors. Minimum ethics and obeying rules have to start here.

Why should we even blame the business and their associates? The easier logic is bribe-givers are all wrong hence the corporate is enemy. Corporate competetions and cutting each other to get a best deal are all fair. Without a bribe nothing moves and let us be practial. Now someone will jump and say we all have to fight this. Agreed but how? To me it is like a staircase and the system is at 10th step and if I try to get to the 1st step one directly I will fall down and become loser. We need to fight it out step by step.

From my perspective:
(1) Asking the entire population to not pay bribes and fight it out everyday is ridiculous and impractical.
(2) Asking the entire corporate to be fair and don't lobby or bribe is ridiculous and impractical.

Fight should be mainly (1) Political corruption and then if that comes to significant control then (2) Corruption in babus and employees corridor can be tackled.
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As far as I know Rahul Gandhi is not currupt

Gali Gali may shor hai
SG chor nahi hai
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Kyon ki

Bharat unka hi Dukaaan hai
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Muppalla wrote: Why should we even blame the business and their associates? The easier logic is bribe-givers are all wrong hence the corporate is enemy. Corporate competetions and cutting each other to get a best deal are all fair. Without a bribe nothing moves and let us be practial. Now someone will jump and say we all have to fight this. Agreed but how? To me it is like a staircase and the system is at 10th step and if I try to get to the 1st step one directly I will fall down and become loser. We need to fight it out step by step.

From my perspective:
(1) Asking the entire population to not pay bribes and fight it out everyday is ridiculous and impractical.
(2) Asking the entire corporate to be fair and don't lobby or bribe is ridiculous and impractical.

Fight should be mainly (1) Political corruption and then if that comes to significant control then (2) Corruption in babus and employees corridor can be tackled.
Muppalla garu, agree with your perspective. The day to day corruption needs to be fought at a different level. The politicos are given the custody of large wealth of the nation. When custodians falter and sell the wealth for a song, because it yields them few silver coins then it becomes a humongous problem. The custodians turn hostile and start looting the public exchequer is when a nation turns to a banana republic. The custodians are generally a cabal and those in the corridors of power have to have lot higher standards than mango man. But it is a systematic issue, where the system is rigged to reward those who are corrupt. As long as system is set up to reward the dishonest and punish the honest, it will generally tend to be a banana republic.

The systematic correction needs to start at the top. Just saying the guy at the top is of impeccable integrity will not cut it. The cabal he/she is running is also crucial and has to live up to the standards. Instead, we see personally someone is not corrupt and hence is not responsible. The responsibility squarely lies with the leader of the pack be it getting the babus or the ministries to do what needs to be done. Hence, it is paramount that the cabal has ethics that is above board. Unfortunately, it is being run as comedy show, with no responsibility being taken at any stage. The responsibility cleverly is shifted to the common man when it becomes inconvenient.
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Tanaji wrote:Amit,

Contrast Niira Radia's behaviour with someone as influential as IPL's Lalit Modi. At the first hint of ED's investigation he has holed himself up in UK unwilling to return. This lady calmly walks in and does a 7 hour interview. With ED, there is no such thing as "innocent"... so you have to be awfully sure of yourself or extremely stupid. That lady is the first one me thinks, on many grounds.

She being a UK citizen also helps for her cause, ED cant do the usual danda tactics with her.
Interesting thing is one of my close friend(head of India ops) used to talk a lot about Lalit Modi and visit IPL with Lalit Modi etc. I did not know who this IPL modi was. Until the IPL scandal I had no idea what was the importance of lalit Modi role and how much money and laundering can be done in that position. Now my friend does not talk much about any of his friends. It has become a liability to be known to such lobby people and can be real danger.
ED can do lot of things on any person who has done business inside India. It is very powerful and they have fined even Ambanis and other top people. Heard it straight from the person who served notice to Mukesh.

This lady may think that she has not broken any law but she can give enough information to book several groups and parties. Lady is more likely a facilitator who get business by linking many contacts.
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Keith and Joe were not suspended for contributing to politicians; they were suspended for not following NBC's policies - which was to get prior approval before donating. In America, the media is at least open about the political affiliations for the most part. If one does not like what one is saying, one simply has to change channels and is likely to find something that suits ones tastes. In India it is not the case, the media portrays itself as neutral or as a holy entity; but all the time involved in the pet agendas of businesses and politicians.
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Gali Gali may shor hei
Sara Desh chor hei....

Chor ka bhai ghatichor....
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ED? :oops:
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Acharya wrote: Interesting thing is one of my close friend(head of India ops) used to talk a lot about Lalit Modi and visit IPL with Lalit Modi etc. I did not know who this IPL modi was. Until the IPL scandal I had no idea what was the importance of lalit Modi role and how much money and laundering can be done in that position. Now my friend does not talk much about any of his friends. It has become a liability to be known to such lobby people and can be real danger.
ED can do lot of things on any person who has done business inside India. It is very powerful and they have fined even Ambanis and other top people. Heard it straight from the person who served notice to Mukesh.

This lady may think that she has not broken any law but she can give enough information to book several groups and parties. Lady is more likely a facilitator who get business by linking many contacts.
True... More than the CBI, it is the ED that is the true attack dog. They seem to have no accountability and no fear.
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Tanaji wrote:
True... More than the CBI, it is the ED that is the true attack dog. They seem to have no accountability and no fear.
There is also revenue intelligence which has advance info.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56viHV3bwyo

This Barkhagate skiff seems to have gone viral on youtube.
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http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?702505
Meanwhile, sources said the ED, which has already issued summons to certain firms which bagged the spectrum in 2008, are currently sifting through several thousand pages of documents submitted by the firms during their first round of questioning.

The ED probe into the case is expected to unravel the murky trail of suspected money laundering allegedly linked with the spectrum allocation.

The ED while questioned Radia focussed on her alleged links with telecom firms and her dealings with Raja who had to resign after the scathing report on the spectrum allocation by the Comptroller and Auditor General.

While the ED had registered a case under prevention of Money Laundering Act (PMLA), the CBI is also probing the alleged scam.

The CBI had recently told the supreme Court that they will file a chargesheet in the case within three months.

The agency had also said it will take two months time to complete the investigation as it was examining transcripts relating to 5,000 calls (out of which 3,800 have been analysed), 6,000 files and 80,000 pages of documents.
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