Hyderabad is part of telangana - it seem crazy that seemandhra are interest in trifurcation of state but not bifurcation of state - telangana will be with hyderabad or otherwise a civil war will be only solutionMuppalla wrote:RamaY wrote:Sakshi paper reports that Jaipal Reddy demanded a statement on Telangana formation as a precondition for him to take the CM responsibilities.
Ac If Seemandhra INC politicians agree to trifurcation of Seemandhra, Greater Hyderabad and Telangana then that will happen based on Telangana's acceptance.
All I see here Telangana formation without the acceptance of INC's seemandhra MPs is an NO-NO. Otherwise why in the hell they need a bloody commission just after declaration?
I don't see anybody saying seemandhra/non-T is for trifurcation. If there is seperation, trifurication may be acceptable idea and for Rayalaseema quadfurcation may be good idea.pramodkumarca wrote:Hyderabad is part of telangana - it seem crazy that seemandhra are interest in trifurcaton of state but not bifurcation of state - telangana will be with hyderabad or otherwise a civil war will be only solution
Going away totally from Reddys is impossible for congress and they seems to be looking for a backup as they don't know how to break the Jagan's logjam. In that persuit they are doing this Kapu/Chiru stuff. This strategy will remain as long as Jagan problem is not resolved.ShyamSP wrote: Sore losers are Chiru and Kapu lobby as they couldn't penetrate Congress except for doing sideshow.
Thanks to idiots (quoting Kavuri) like VH, KK. After grouping Kapu sub castes (except Kamma, Reddy, Velama)
as Kapus to show strength in numbers, kapu lobby had it good but missed that Telangana also splits
their numbers just like Reddys.
Perhaps, Kiran Kumar Reddy was chosen over Kapu, for example Pallam Raju, as compromise between
Congress and Jagan. Congress may still want have Kapus to win for Congress in next election to have
Kapu CM. That means Chiru will be useful sideshow till next elections.
TNN, Nov 26, 2010, 03.40am IST
HYDERABAD: A well-connected builder recalls a meeting with K Rosaiah a couple of months ago to seek help in putting the real estate sector in revival mode. The builder says he came to the point politely and suggested to CM garu that Hyderabad needed to be showcased once again, like Y S Rajasekhara Reddy did or even Chandrababu Naidu, to build investor confidence. "He was generous with his time and interest. But nothing came out of the meeting apart from a few statements on new companies coming up in Hyderabad a few days later. He could have done a lot more," the builder recalls.
For an industry reeling under recession due to the 'T' agitation, the CM's lack of interest was unnerving. But late Wednesday night, when Kiran Kumar Reddy was named chief minister, it wasn't just Chittoor district that erupted in joy but even realtors in Hyderabad who heaved a collective sigh of relief. Enthused by the change of guard, they say in politically correct terms, that "Rosaiah was a good man but couldn't help the sector. There was too much for him to handle." Industry insiders also point out that Rosaiah couldn't assert himself which became too obvious in instances such as the Emaar-APIIC scam.
Now, city's realtors and builders have pinned their hopes of stability not just on "young blood, bolder moves" of Kiran Kumar Reddy but significantly his considerable interest in real estate. However, they choose to elaborate other crucial factors that have endeared him to the developers. "He is a 'hybrid' variety CM. He hails from Rayalaseema but is a true-blue Hyderabadi. And he is close to Jagan," says Mukkala Madhusudan, a city-based realtor, calculating how all the elements that can upset the city's rhythm could be taken care of with Kiran Kumar Reddy as CM.
Realtors and builders note that the new chief minister is accessible, possibly one reason why among the first set of people calling on him on Friday to wish him on his new assignment would be the builder lobby. It is probably for the same reason why even before he became chief minister, some realtors had already met him to discuss housing schemes for the low income group. But on Friday, builders would take forward the request that was left unattended by Rosaiah two months ago. "After the recession, there was a correction in the Indian market but after that while rest of the country recovered, AP did not because of the T issue. The government could not address it and failed to project the inherent strength of the city, its good infrastructure. Now the young CM will showcase Hyderabad as an investment destination," said C Sekhar Reddy, president of the Andhra Pradesh Builder's Forum.
But there are some among builders who say that Rosaiah actually did make some real estate-friendly moves. From reducing the impact fee for residential properties to bringing down the lease and rental registrations to 0.5 of the total value apart to giving concession in the payout for layout regularisation, the Rosaiah government did make some right moves, notes P Prem Kumar, president, Andhra Pradesh Real Estate Developers Association. Such moves, however, did not stir up the kind of interest in properties the builders had expected.
"These were technical moves but the sentiment that brings customers to the market was lacking," says a realtor.
However, the builder-realtor lobby is unanimous in believing that good times are here again. Prem Kumar said that it would be Kiran Kumar Reddy's "youth" and "proactive decisions" that would put the industry back on track.
Hyderabad needs to be the Union territory or separate state.. Hyderabadi folks shouldn't be forced to fund the proposed idiotic policies of Telangana leaders. I also propose that you be at the fore front of civil war...pramodkumarca wrote: Hyderabad is part of telangana - it seem crazy that seemandhra are interest in trifurcation of state but not bifurcation of state - telangana will be with hyderabad or otherwise a civil war will be only solution
pramodkumarca wrote:Hyderabad is part of telangana - it seem crazy that seemandhra are interest in trifurcation of state but not bifurcation of state - telangana will be with hyderabad or otherwise a civil war will be only solution
By Vibhuti Agarwal
India Real Time presents a round-up of commentary and analysis of one of the key news events this week—the crisis in India’s southern state of Andhra Pradeshas the elderly Chief Minister K. Rosaiah on Wednesday announced a sudden decision to step down citing personal reasons. The Congress Party appointed State Assembly Speaker Kiran Kumar Reddy the new chief minister of the state.
Media experts see this as a political maneuver by the Congress party ahead of the submission of the Justice B. N. Srikrishna panel report on Dec. 31 on the sensitive issue of the demand to carve out a separate state of Telangana that might trigger demonstrations in the state.
In an opinion piece published in The Indian Express Thursday, G.S. Vasuwrote: “It was important that the state have a powerful person at the helm when the report is rendered, regardless of whether the center decides to give or not to give a Telangana state.”
Mr. Vasu added that political indications from New Delhi suggest that “Telangana may not be a reality.”
However, “political leaders as well as bureaucrats strongly believe that it is essentially a political decision that will not depend on what the Srikrishna panel report. Therefore, the party leadership would have been expected to prep its government machinery well in advance to handle the consequences,” he writes.
An editorial in The Asian Age newspaper said: “There can be no denying, however, that the political and administrative actions of the new, fresh-faced, and relatively young chief minister will impact the course of life in the state.”
It adds: “The need to find a new leader was felt by the Congress high command in order to contain the simmering discontent within the state party set off by the factional moves of the greenhorn but disconcertingly ambitious party MP Jaganmohan Reddy, and not as a consequence of the normal run of politics and governance, or challenges posed by an Opposition in full cry.”
The Times of India newspaper in an editorial titled “Andhra Challenge” explained the Congress party’s decision to choose Mr. Reddy for the state’s new chief minister as an attempt to limit dissidence within the party. The move came after Jagan Reddy, the son of former chief minister Y. S. Rajasekhara Reddy, criticized the policies of the Congress party and its president Sonia Gandhi on a private television channel, news reports said.
“Andhra Pradesh is politically crucial for the Congress—it won 33 of the 42 Lok Sabha seats from the state in the 2009 general election. Losing ground here could hurt the party’s national prospects,” the editorial said.
“The Congress hopes that his (Reddy’s) political lineage, caste and regional identities could help him unite the party and contain Jagan,” it added.
An editorial in The Hindu said, ” The Congress will have to move beyond such tokenism in responding to the separatist challenge.”
It added: “The new Chief Minister and his team must be allowed to concentrate on the developmental challenge in south India’s largest state. Governance must not be allowed to suffer, not even when the government is in crisis management mode.”
If you’d like to bring an interesting opinion on the state’s political situation to the attention of India Real Time readers, please post the link in the Comments section.
I wonder about what you meant. Telangana is now being ruled by its people just like any part of our nation. Raising against leaders, fortified borders, bloodshed are not the words we can easyly use. Comparing conditions in any place in Indian state with that of the Nizam rule is too much for any reasonable observer to accept. You may want to have some state or dont want some state to be devided. To make this kind of irresposible statements and comparisions is not going to be helpful.nvishal wrote:Not only is AP going to be divided. Even the borders of telangana-andhra are going to be fortified after the division.
Telangana has a history of rising up against its rulers. It guess it takes place every few decades and it always ends in bloodshed. In the nizam days, several villages and districts had come out against the nizam.
Perfectly written. Let me expand on this. Not just about Telangana or Jagan. The predicament is more than that. Telangana boiling with no solution one way or other is a strategy that cooked the goose of TDP. Just take a wild assumption that Telenagana is rolled back (violently or smartly), why would the AP people vote for INC again. The drubbing is a surety with all that they did for the past two years. Both sides will have the anger that will put them out to their 26/296 verdict that they got before the emergence of late YSR.Dasari wrote:As long as political ambitions of Jagan and Rahul are intact, there is no threat to current Samaikhyandhra. The dual message that T may be formed and at the same time violence will not be tolerated (if it is formed why will there be violence in H & T) , clearly shows that Congress high command will try to buy more time to see either Separatists lose steam or Jagan loses the sympathy vote.
On the later, it is not just YSR sympathy vote that Congress has to worry, but they need to dilute the perception that seeamandhra people are the biggest losers with the loss of Hyderabad. No amount of time can fade out this perception and Jagan can cash this at any time. In fact the longer we wait, the stronger this perception will be.
Yes, if divided, Hyderabad needs to be fortified from Telangana...nvishal wrote:Not only is AP going to be divided. Even the borders of telangana-andhra are going to be fortified after the division.
Telangana has a history of rising up against its rulers. It guess it takes place every few decades and it always ends in bloodshed. In the nizam days, several villages and districts had come out against the nizam.
Jagan set to exit Cong, float new party, say aides
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... z16XHqRjJ1
It is too premature for Jagan to start a party. Unless Congress announces separate Talangana, he has no chance of winning any significant seats. The YSR sympathy is not enough to pull a win. The only part of YSR legacy that is very strong is his stance on samaikhyandhra. For everything Jagan has done so far, from walking with placards in Parliament to avoiding any utterances on separate T, he can easily claim rights to that legacy and sweep the elections. In the absence of separate T, he has no future outside INC. He better be patient and wait for separate T announcement.Mauli wrote:Jagan set to exit Cong, float new party, say aides
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... z16XHqRjJ1
I request T-supporters to comeup with innovative and genuine responses as I already know the following -He criticized GOI for seeing JK issue as a religious one (Perhaps he is talking about a JK, Andhra Pradesh) and claimed that GOI blames it on muslims when terrorists kill people (wonder why no one asked him what is the root cause of JK terrorism?). He also said that JK people are fighting for self-determination for last 63 years.
He also said that Telangana people are fighting for their self-respect and self-determination. He also reminded that JK and Telangana were seperate nations at one time {Here you go T-vadis; understand to whose tune you are playing}. Mr Gilani blamed GOI for pushing its 'fascist' agenda on Telangana people similar to JK people.
It is back to basics for Congress in AP. They selected a ground-level SC and Telangana person for Dy CM. Geetha Reddy is a token SC.ShyamSP wrote:After experiments, is Congress going back to KHAM mode (actually it is RHAM) in AP?
By birth she is SC from Hyderabad but married a Reddy from Rayalaseema.ShivaS wrote:No way Geetha Reddy a SC?, She lives very close to my house, She is married to IM, but her career started as Doctor (geetha nursing home) whose clinic was adda (gathering place in Telengana parlance) for Yama Dharma raj soldiers (very lazy chaps, because she spoiled them with abundant and uninterrupted supply)
That is the beauty of this 125 year old party. They are the only one who has abilities take such a risk. Someone has to show the boldness.Narayana Rao wrote:Congress is taking a dangerous gambit here.
This is the whole thing that no one has clinching answer except forguesses. Why Sonia and Jagan are not in good terms. If it was Jagan even after Rossiah, it would be a windfall for INC with zero dissidence.ShyamSP wrote:Jagan resigned from Congress and MP position! Interesting times ahead in AP.
We need to analyze better why Congress pushed him out.
Congress' main intention seems to be to push all corruption to YSR&co/regional satraps and get clean image for Sonia&Co.
In a different angle, is this a fake separation as part of Congress' game plan?
I do not think there is much theory. It is very natural in politics for a son/wife/daughter/brother to get a MLA/MP seat when a political leader dies. YSJ asking for a MP/MLA seat wouldn't have been a issue, but he wanted to become CM. It was a possibility in the first 1-2 weeks of YSR's death but IMO old-time congress leaders did not like YSR or YSJ personally (based on YSR's legacy).ShyamSP wrote: We need to analyze better why Congress pushed him out.
What is your emailShyamSP wrote:Jagan resigned from Congress and MP position! Interesting times ahead in AP.
We need to analyze better why Congress pushed him out.
Congress' main intention seems to be to push all corruption to YSR&co/regional satraps and get clean image for Sonia&Co.
In a different angle, is this a fake separation as part of Congress' game plan?
AlsoRamaY wrote:
I request T-supporters to comeup with innovative and genuine responses as I already know the following -
- You cannot take Prof. Gilani's comments and generalize it to Telangana demand.
- You cannot say that whoever invited him to Hyderabad to speak on T-issue are the true leadership of this separate Telangana agitation.
- T-vadis are asking for separate state within India, and under Indian constitution. One cannot compare it with JK issue..
Good Luck!
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HYDERABAD: Faced with an onslaught from Jaganmohan Reddy, the Congress party in Andhra Pradesh is going back to the basics. Traditionally seen as a party representing the interests of the landowning Reddy community, the Congress is now going to emphasize on its Congress roots in the new political scenario in the state.
This is a change from the situation in the last few months when the Rosaiah regime was seen as buiiding up a non-Reddy coalition with Kammas and Vaishyas and other OBCs. In fact it was opposition from the Reddys that ultimately led to the ouster of Rosaiah. "But now the Congress proposes to go back on its traditional support base. The time-tested formula is expected to serve it the best," an analyst from the Congress camp said.
Though the Congress in Andhra Pradesh has been headed by the Reddys, it also has had Kapus (a cultivator caste) and Malas (a section of the Dalits) as junior partners in the alliance. In the run-up to the 2009 elections, the Kapus (now economically empowered as compared to the past) sought their place in the sun by floating their own political outfit. This is Chiranjeevi's Praja Rajyam Party. Though this party was not a spectacular success, it did win 18 seats and also 18 per cent of the popular votes.
"For a new party, this is a significant vote share," an analyst pointed out. Now the Congress to prevent the erosion of its Kapu base is offering an alliance to the PRP by inducting members of Chiranjeevi's party into the govermment. This is expected to keep the old poltical matrix intact. At the same time, to ensure that the Dalits do not leave the Congress, the Kiran Kumar Reddy government is expected to have a Scheduled Caste deputy chief minister. This will keep the Dalit votes also with the government.
More significantly, all this will make life a wee bit difficult for Jagan. With Reddy interests firmly with the Congress, young Jagan will find it difficult to wean away supporters from the Reddy community to his new outfit. This will be a setback for him because most of his supporters are from the Reddy ranks. How important the Reddys are for the Congress can be seen from the fact that of the 11 Congress chief ministers in the state, 8 have been Reddys.
"Starting with Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy who later became President of India to Kiran Kumar Reddy, most of them have been Reddys. A notable exception was P V Narasimha Rao who later became the Prime Minister," an analyst said.
Interestingly, in percentage terms Reddys just comprise 6 per cent of the population while Kapus are around 20 per cent. The Kapus are however not a homogeneous group. The Dalits form around 11 per cent of the population. The other major caste - the Kammas - are with the rival Telugu Desam Party (TDP). The Kammas amongst the richest of communities comprise a mere 5 per cent of the total population.