Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 02 Dec 2010 18:50

it is block III, I am amending my article

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Dec 2010 18:56

rather than 'manoueverability', is it not 'navigation'? (followed by evasion and penetration)

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 Dec 2010 19:13

X-post.
the rocket mystery seems to have been solved.

Kanson wrote:Pls check this to understand the underlying concept. It is like firing a rocket/artillery with the help of ballistic computer or it may have some terminal guidance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO_jo5ePriE

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 02 Dec 2010 20:14

BrahMos Block-III+ Test-fired
-Livefist

Notice the acceleration @ 13 Sec..

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PIB Press Release
http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=68008

The BRAHMOS Block III+ version was successfully test fired this morning at 1055 hours from the Interim Test Range (ITR) in Orissa. This landmark test once again established the mountain warfare capability of the supersonic cruise missile with new guidance scheme incorporating large scale manoeuvre and steep dive with precision strike capability. Naval ship placed with telemetry stations confirmed the accuracy of the mission and marked it as a text book launch.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Dec 2010 20:22

dinesha wrote:BrahMos Block-III+ Test-fired
-Livefist

Notice the acceleration @ 13 Sec..

Looks like the cameraman accelerated out of his seat much earlier

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 02 Dec 2010 20:24

It seems to be an evolution of the basic Carl Gustav.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Dec 2010 20:33

apparently a base of 80 hectares in rajasthan is being created to house brahmos missiles in jhunjhunu which is west of delhi and north of jaipur - opp multan and bahawalpur. it lies in interesection of 3 state highways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpw5yqml ... ature=fvwp

from cached india-defence.com article:

Indian Air Force to Establish Missle, Air Base in Rajasthan 2009-01-06 The defence ministry will establish a huge Air Force base close to the international border in Rajasthan, moving aggressively to secure the country's western frontiers. The 300-km range supersonic cruise missile BrahMos will be stored at this base, defence ministry sources said.

The ministry is acquiring land in Hanumangarh and Sriganganagar districts, where the Indian Air Force will store some of its most sophisticated long-range missiles. The base will be the IAF's biggest practice station.

Defence Estate Officer KJS Chauhan confirmed the acquisition process of 29,562 acres at Hanumangarh, around 120-125 km from the border with Pakistan. The IAF has a station in Jodhpur, about 350 km from the border.

According to defence ministry sources, IAF has two projects proposed for the land: Project Richard and Project Thukrana.

Project Richard involves setting up a missile base. The BrahMos missiles will not only be stationed but also stocked there.

Under Project Thukrana, the defence ministry will set up an air force practice station, the biggest close to an international border in the country, ministry sources said.
Mugdha Sinha, who was collector of Hanumangarh till last week, said, "Hurdles for the acquisition have been almost sorted out with farmers."

The defence ministry will spend more than Rs220 crore towards compensation and rehabilitation of the residents of Moter, Dhandhusur, Bannasur, Bangasur and Dheerdeshur villages.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 02 Dec 2010 20:40

Singha,

This is a plant to make the weapon and not a base to house it. Quite old. IIRc in march/ april last year the land was ermarked for the project.

Check out the home page of the project.

http://brahmos.com/home.php

John · Post by **John** » 02 Dec 2010 21:35

Kanson wrote: If this is to serve mainly as CIWS, the max range at low altitude(anti-sea skimming) can't be 12 km, right?

Yes but CIWS is not just limited to short range sea skimming missiles. It also need to intercept HARM type missile, drones, bombs and even shells. Also few AshM like Silkworm do have pretty high flying altitude.

Kanson wrote:
I guess, the tender specified the requirement for upto 7000 ton vessel. So i thought it could fit in. I'm not sure how Navy reacts. You must have seen pics of Barak-8 with booster displayed by IAI.

Barak-8 is about the size of Aster 30 hopefully the cells are smaller than Sylver. I don't see IN going for aster unless of course it is packaged as a deal for P-17As. Already have enough medium ranged SAMs as it is.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Dec 2010 22:06

Whats the difference between Block III+ and Block II? We know Block II had that SCAN sensor which allowed target discrimination amidst clutter. We also know that a Block II was demostrated in a steep dive which is very challenging aero-loads wise.

Is BlockIII+ a special variant for mountain terrain?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 02 Dec 2010 22:16

^^^

Trivandrum seems to be the corporate office with assembly taking place at Hydrabad as per the report linked bwlow. But the Hindu report liked below suggests a second location. Which is also mentioned in the link posted by singha.

BrahMos missiles to be assembled at Pilani

It is not clear from either of the reports is whetere this will be second permanemt plant for the weapon or it is a step to decongest the hydrabad facility and consolidate production at Pilani.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 02 Dec 2010 22:45

With each Brahmos test some new tech is being tested but are these technologies being incorporated in the older blocks or not ??

nrshah · Post by **nrshah** » 02 Dec 2010 23:44

I have started having a feeling that Brahmos is on the way becoming what Prithi became for ballistic missiles... Platform to name while testing something different or atleast platform to test a lot of subsystems

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Dec 2010 08:42

ramana wrote:Whats the difference between Block III+ and Block II? We know Block II had that SCAN sensor which allowed target discrimination amidst clutter. We also know that a Block II was demostrated in a steep dive which is very challenging aero-loads wise.

Is BlockIII+ a special variant for mountain terrain?

From The Hindu

While BrahMos Block-I version is an anti-ship missile, Block-II is an Army version meant for attacking targets on land. The latest Block-III is meant for operations in mountain warfare where the missile has to hit the target with a steep dive, Dr. Pillai said.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Dec 2010 09:06

there could be a brahmos plant in kerala - a Keltec plant was purchased for this purpose. (Dec3, 2007)
http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?2356
Thiruvananthapuram, Dec 5 Kerala will become a hub for production of supersonic BrahMos cruise missiles with BrahMos Aerospace Corporation signing an agreement with the state government today to turn Kerala Hightech Industries Ltd into a centre for production and integration of the missile.

The deed document for the transfer of the unit was signed by DRDO Chief Controller and BrahMos Aerospace Corporation CEO, A Sivathanu Pillai, and Principal Secretary (Industries) T Balakrishnan in the presence of state Industries Minister Elamaram Kareem at a function here.

The unit, to be known as BrahMos Aerospace (Trivandrum) Ltd, would be turned into a major centre for production of components and integration of the supersonic cruise missile system whose demand for the Navy and Army was going to increase in the coming days, Sivathanu Pillai said.

The missile is a unique system as no other country had any matching missile in terms of accuracy and speed, Pillai said. "Most other countries have sub-sonic missiles and our missile is unique in terms of accuracy and speed." The BrahMos missile, with maximum range of 290 km, can be launched from submarines, naval ships, aircraft and land and is a joint venture of DRDO and Russian defence organisation.

The Thiruvananthapuram centre is going to be an important facility under the project as missiles would begin to roll out of the campus, Pillai said.

The unit would also continue to supply critical components and assemblies to its present customers like ISRO, DRDO and BARC. The unit would formally be handed over to BrahMos Corporation next month at a function to be attended by Defence Minister A K Antony.

Speaking on the occasion, Kareem said BrahMos corporation was expected to make an initial investment of Rs 125 crore for the facility.

The BrahMos-KELTEC merger was the result of the state Government's policy of strategic merger or tie-ups with the Central public sector undertakings.

The underpinning of this strategy was to protect the state's larger interests, speed up industrialisation and ensure better wages for the workers, he said.

Also, the presence of BrahMos in the state would benefit other public sector ventures like Keltron in the state by way of orders for making components and sub-systems, he said.

Located at Chakkai on the periphery of the state capital, Keltec was set up in 1989 as a unit for making critical components for leading scientific institutions like ISRO.

After running into financial troubles, the unit was referred to BIFR for revival in 1999 and saved by ISRO and DRDO by pumping in Rs 10 crore as interest-free loan.

It was against this backdrop that the state began negotiations with the Centre for turning it into a defence production unit. PTI

the brahmos company itself is looking to branch out and do other space/defence work
http://www.brahmos.com/newscenter.php?newsid=69

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 03 Dec 2010 09:12

Looks like Block III is more specific to China - to be deployed at North East..
May be we should call it Brahmos-"Chinese Version" ..

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 03 Dec 2010 11:00

dinesha wrote:Looks like Block III is more specific to China - to be deployed at North East..
May be we should call it Brahmos-"Chinese Version" ..

Most missiles and nukes are in mountains. it could be only for softer targets. It may not be useful for hardened targets. It could also hit mushkar e teiba in case they take up a Kargil type location.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 03 Dec 2010 11:01

Singha wrote:sounds like plans are afoot to deal with caves and SAM sites in Tibet.
....
This landmark test once again established the mountain warfare capability of the supersonic cruise missile with new guidance scheme incorporating large scale manoeuvre and steep dive with precision strike capability......it successfully went through all complicated manoeuvres as envisaged in the battlefield in mountain terrains following the exact flight path given to it, said Dr. A. Sivathanu Pillai, CEO & Managing Director of BrahMos Aerospace.

May be Already deployed in Arunachal. Looks like Chinese have stopped their threats.

kit · Post by **kit** » 03 Dec 2010 11:34

Singha wrote:there could be a brahmos plant in kerala - a Keltec plant was purchased for this purpose. (Dec3, 2007)
http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?2356
Thiruvananthapuram, Dec 5 Kerala will become a hub for production of supersonic BrahMos cruise missiles with BrahMos Aerospace Corporation signing an agreement with the state government today to turn Kerala Hightech Industries Ltd into a centre for production and integration of the missile.

The deed document for the transfer of the unit was signed by DRDO Chief Controller and BrahMos Aerospace Corporation CEO, A Sivathanu Pillai, and Principal Secretary (Industries) T Balakrishnan in the presence of state Industries Minister Elamaram Kareem at a function here.

The unit, to be known as BrahMos Aerospace (Trivandrum) Ltd, would be turned into a major centre for production of components and integration of the supersonic cruise missile system whose demand for the Navy and Army was going to increase in the coming days, Sivathanu Pillai said.

The missile is a unique system as no other country had any matching missile in terms of accuracy and speed, Pillai said. "Most other countries have sub-sonic missiles and our missile is unique in terms of accuracy and speed." The BrahMos missile, with maximum range of 290 km, can be launched from submarines, naval ships, aircraft and land and is a joint venture of DRDO and Russian defence organisation.

The Thiruvananthapuram centre is going to be an important facility under the project as missiles would begin to roll out of the campus, Pillai said.

The unit would also continue to supply critical components and assemblies to its present customers like ISRO, DRDO and BARC. The unit would formally be handed over to BrahMos Corporation next month at a function to be attended by Defence Minister A K Antony.

Speaking on the occasion, Kareem said BrahMos corporation was expected to make an initial investment of Rs 125 crore for the facility.

The BrahMos-KELTEC merger was the result of the state Government's policy of strategic merger or tie-ups with the Central public sector undertakings.

The underpinning of this strategy was to protect the state's larger interests, speed up industrialisation and ensure better wages for the workers, he said.

Also, the presence of BrahMos in the state would benefit other public sector ventures like Keltron in the state by way of orders for making components and sub-systems, he said.

Located at Chakkai on the periphery of the state capital, Keltec was set up in 1989 as a unit for making critical components for leading scientific institutions like ISRO.

After running into financial troubles, the unit was referred to BIFR for revival in 1999 and saved by ISRO and DRDO by pumping in Rs 10 crore as interest-free loan.

It was against this backdrop that the state began negotiations with the Centre for turning it into a defence production unit. PTI

the brahmos company itself is looking to branch out and do other space/defence work
http://www.brahmos.com/newscenter.php?newsid=69

Would like to update you on this (as of now).And it is not good.The Brahmos plant at thiruvanthapuram is going through a lot of problems.
1)It is no longer under the ministry of defence (DRDO)
2)The central protection force allocated to the sensitive plant has been withdrawn .. God knows the reason !
3)The employees are under the perpetual fear that they could lose their jobs anytime.
4) The Kerala state governments (the left Marxist CPM) policies has not been too helpful for the running of this production facility

If some one who matters know about this, they have do something fast.

karan_mc · Post by **karan_mc** » 03 Dec 2010 12:27

IAF and Indian Army to order more Akash Missiles

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Dec 2010 12:29

India will not resort to surgical strikes: Vijay Kumar Saraswat

“Our complete policy with respect to development as well as security is purely from the defensive point of view. We do not subscribe to aggression. Our entire focus is living in a peaceful coexistence with our neighbourhood. During 26/11, despite provocation, the country took a matured view. This is a part of our policy,”

srai · Post by **srai** » 03 Dec 2010 15:21

karan_mc wrote:IAF and Indian Army to order more Akash Missiles

...
According to Jain, the Indian Army is “looking for the same (Akash missile) system”, and BEL is expecting an order to produce two regiments for it.

The army is currently in the process of finalising the configuration it requires vis-a-vis the system.

“Each regiment is much bigger than a squadron, much, much bigger…May be five-six squadron is equivalent to one regiment,” Jain said, indicating that the army order is expected to be Rs 6,000 crore-Rs 7,000 crore.
...

Going by the above statement and looking at the IA/IAF Akash Operational Configuration diagram, we can figure out the number of vehicles on order.

IA Operational Configuration

IAF Operational Configuration

Each IA Akash Group is divided into the following:

Group Headquarters
1 x 3D CAR (Rohini)
1 x GCC (Group Command Centre)
1 x CPSV (Power Source Vehicle)
1 x GPSV (Group Power Source Vehicle)
1 x GEM (Group Engineering Support, Maintenance and Repair)

Each Battery (4x)
1 x BCC (Battery Control Centre)
1 x BSR (Battery Surveillance Radar)
1 x BLR (Battery Level Radar) (Rajendra)
4 x ASPL (Akash/Army Self-Propelled Launcher)
1 x BEM (Battery Engineering Support, Maintenance and Repair Vehicle)
1 x BPSV (Battery Power Supply Vehicle)*
2 x MTV (Missile Transportation Vehicle)*
3 x TLV (Transport and Loading Vehicle)*
1 x MSMC (Mobile Station for Missile Checkout)*
1 x ACV (Air Compressor Vehicle)*
62 x Akash Missiles

Group Totals (4 Akash Batteries)
4 x BCC
4 x BSR
4 x BLR
16 x ASPL
4 x BEM
4 x BPSV
8 x MTV
12 x TLV
4 x MSMC
4 x ACV
250 x Akash Missiles
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Note: * estimates based on IAF Technical Flight

Each Akash regiment (or equivalent to six IAF squadrons [12 batteries equivalent]) comes up to around 3 Akash Groups (with 4 batteries each). So now just multiply times 3 Groups (per regiment):

IA Akash Regiment Totals (3 Akash Groups)
3 x 3D CAR
3 x GCC
3 x CPSV
3 x GPSV
3 x GEM

12 x BCC
12 x BSR
12 x BLR
48 x ASPL
12 x BEM
12 x BPSV
24 x MTV
36 x TLV
12 x MSMC
12 x ACV
750 x Akash Missiles
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Since 2 regiments were ordered by the IA:

IA Akash Totals (2 Akash Regiments)
6 x 3D CAR
6 x GCC
6 x CPSV
6 x GPSV
6 x GEM

24 x BCC
24 x BSR
24 x BLR
96 x ASPL
24 x BEM
24 x BPSV
48 x MTV
72 x TLV
24 x MSMC
24 x ACV
1,500 x Akash Missiles
--------------------------------------------------------------------

2 Akash Regiments ordered for Rs 7,000 crore = USD 1.5 billion
Cost per Akash Regiment = $750 million
Cost per Akash Group = $250 million
Cost per Akash Battery = $62.5 million

kit · Post by **kit** » 03 Dec 2010 15:52

Austin wrote:India will not resort to surgical strikes: Vijay Kumar Saraswat

“Our complete policy with respect to development as well as security is purely from the defensive point of view. We do not subscribe to aggression. Our entire focus is living in a peaceful coexistence with our neighbourhood. During 26/11, despite provocation, the country took a matured view. This is a part of our policy,”

Coming from a person who is responsible for weapons , it is suspect.
Is it that your weapons really dont work the way it is supposed to,Mr Saraswat ?
Is the country getting its money worth after spending those billions ?

Sometime back there was a movie (American) about the money involved and the way weapons development was being done !.. was reminded of that

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 03 Dec 2010 17:43

^^^On the Akash Group thing - IA Askah Group and Regiment is the same thing. Akash Group comes with 4 Batteries.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 03 Dec 2010 17:57

Rohit,

The IAF orginisation moves like

Section
Flight
Squadren
Wing
Group.

That being the case, should the IAF Akash group not be higher in organisation then the regiment.

Or for sams they will follow a diffrent organisational structure.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 03 Dec 2010 18:27

Mr.Saraswat must only concentrate on the weapons and not on policy making. It's the Govt and the Army that will decide whether to use it offensively or not. And also not retaliating to attack on the Indian nation is not a matured view Mr.Saraswat. You better concentrate on your job.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 03 Dec 2010 18:39

Austin wrote:India will not resort to surgical strikes: Vijay Kumar Saraswat

“Our complete policy with respect to development as well as security is purely from the defensive point of view. We do not subscribe to aggression. Our entire focus is living in a peaceful coexistence with our neighbourhood. During 26/11, despite provocation, the country took a matured view. This is a part of our policy,”

what is VKS doing commenting on this issue ?

Anabhaya · Post by **Anabhaya** » 03 Dec 2010 18:48

Its an insult to VK Saraswat's intellect to *recieve* a Doctorate from that imbecile Jeppiar..! :-(

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 03 Dec 2010 18:58

Pratyush wrote:Rohit,

The IAF orginisation moves like

Section
Flight
Squadren
Wing
Group.

That being the case, should the IAF Akash group not be higher in organisation then the regiment.

Or for sams they will follow a diffrent organisational structure.

There are only two SA-6 Groups thing in the ADA Regiment of the Indian Army......and I've not been able to find out why they are called so. It is these which will be converted first to Akash SAM - each Group is commanded by a Colonel (iirc, used to be commanded by a Brigadier at one point of time). So, no relation to IAF Org. Structure.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 03 Dec 2010 18:58

Kanson wrote:
Austin wrote: Well I was pointing to the news put by blogs and by Ranjani Raghavan , the blog news on CL-20 is GOI dispatch and the one by IE is Rajani own dispatch , the only difference is he reported almost a year back and no one paid much attention , the blogs mentions CL-20 is Octa-Nitro-Cubane while Ranjani states that that HEMRL ONC is 10% more powerful than CL-20
Thanks for the article. I seeing that for the first time. May be there is a reason why they termed it as ICL-20 rather than CL-20.

I think i should clarify before the statement could be misunderstood.

We all know, CL-20 and Octa-nitro-cubane(ONC) are two different substances. I very much agree with Ranjani Raghavan that CL-20 was prepared much before than this press release. We have already started working on CL-20 as rocket propellant. I guess it is also true that we cracked the ONC recently.

It must be pointed out here that ONC is powerful than Cl-20 and much more difficult to prepare/manufacture than Cl-20.

So ONC is powerful than Cl-20 which is powerful than HMX which is powerful than RDX.

So when the press/media says the most powerful explosive in the world and give indication like the most difficult & expensive to prepare and referring both ONC and Cl-20 in same context and the timing of the press release creates confusion whether they are referring to ONC or Cl-20.

So ONC is not Cl-20. Cl-20 chemcial name is 2,4,6,8,10,12-hexanitro-2,4,6,8,10,12-hexaazaisowurtzitane or simply as Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane which is again a mouthful where your tongue get stuck in the throat. So it is simple called as CL-20.

We call our product as Indian CL-20(ICL-20), probably we want to say it is our indian product as the preparation route could be different to that of CL-20 to mark it as our own indigenous product or (just a guess work) there could be difference in the position of nitro groups in the final compound or it could have separated in different form than that of the CL-20 or any other reasons.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 03 Dec 2010 19:07

uddu wrote:Mr.Saraswat must only concentrate on the weapons and not on policy making. It's the Govt and the Army that will decide whether to use it offensively or not. And also not retaliating to attack on the Indian nation is not a matured view Mr.Saraswat. You better concentrate on your job.

I think he doing his job, the job probably the Govt want him to do?!

He is SA(adviser)to RM. Maybe it is MoD effort through Army Chief and others to spread that there is no such thing called 'Cold start'. Recently Army Chief and some other officer did clarify on the cold start. JMT and I don't like these politics. So take it fwiw.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 03 Dec 2010 19:34

rohitvats wrote: There are only two SA-6 Groups thing in the ADA Regiment of the Indian Army......and I've not been able to find out why they are called so. It is these which will be converted first to Akash SAM - each Group is commanded by a Colonel (iirc, used to be commanded by a Brigadier at one point of time). So, no relation to IAF Org. Structure.

I had mistaken it for IAF.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 03 Dec 2010 19:36

IIRC VKS in the past has said some thing on Indian ABM program being ahead of Chinese ABM , some thing on similar lines and then retracted back.

The GOI has PIB to make any official comment and other then GOI the IA Chief is justified to make appropriate comment on Cold Start imo.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 03 Dec 2010 23:17

GOI clearly passed a message to VKS to toe the party line. Otherwise, he is one of the most gung ho guys there is. Expect similar soundbytes from others.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 03 Dec 2010 23:20

Austin wrote:IIRC VKS in the past has said some thing on Indian ABM program being ahead of Chinese ABM , some thing on similar lines and then retracted back.

The GOI has PIB to make any official comment and other then GOI the IA Chief is justified to make appropriate comment on Cold Start imo.

that falls within his domain and he was entirely within his right to comment on it.
this one is different.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Dec 2010 23:42

Can we stick to technology in this thread please? Thanks, ramana

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 04 Dec 2010 00:54

Pratyush wrote:Rohit,

The IAF orginisation moves like

Section
Flight
Squadren
Wing
Group.

AFAIK the next IAF formation after a wing is a command.

Army has 333 and 555 Missile Groups which are same as a Battalion aka regiment in artillery terms. Suppose same should apply to akash units.

srai · Post by **srai** » 04 Dec 2010 05:25

rohitvats wrote:^^^On the Akash Group thing - IA Askah Group and Regiment is the same thing. Akash Group comes with 4 Batteries.

To answer your question, please re-read this statement in the news that was posted earlier, from which I did the numbers estimates.

srai wrote:
karan_mc wrote:IAF and Indian Army to order more Akash Missiles

...
According to Jain, the Indian Army is “looking for the same (Akash missile) system”, and BEL is expecting an order to produce two regiments for it.

The army is currently in the process of finalising the configuration it requires vis-a-vis the system.

“Each regiment is much bigger than a squadron, much, much bigger…May be five-six squadron is equivalent to one regiment,” Jain said, indicating that the army order is expected to be Rs 6,000 crore-Rs 7,000 crore.
...

Short Summary
1 Akash Group = 4 Akash Batteries
1 IA Akash Regiment = 6 IAF Akash Squadrons (with 2 batteries per squadrons comes to 12 batteries)

This means 1 IA Akash Regiment = 3 Akash Groups (3 x 4 batteries each = 12 batteries)

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 04 Dec 2010 08:50

^^^My dear good freind, you don't need to be combative about what you wrote and why you did so.

Your's is a very commendable effort - not only this but other number crunching that you do.

What I'm telling you is how it is and not based on what DDM writes. I don't need to read DDM reports to understand the Orbat or TOE of the Indian Army.

You can either take it FWIW or stick to DDM. Choice is yours.

srai · Post by **srai** » 04 Dec 2010 13:47

rohitvats wrote:^^^My dear good freind, you don't need to be combative about what you wrote and why you did so.

Your's is a very commendable effort - not only this but other number crunching that you do.

What I'm telling you is how it is and not based on what DDM writes. I don't need to read DDM reports to understand the Orbat or TOE of the Indian Army.

You can either take it FWIW or stick to DDM. Choice is yours.

I must apologize if you found my answer to be combative. It was not. I was just trying to show where I got the info from and how from that I derived the numbers.

As far as the authenticity of the report, it is directly quoting P C Jain, general manager of BEL’s military radar business unit.