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Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 11 Dec 2010 18:14

Some people ought to keep their mouths shut. The interesting question is will the leader be asked to keep quite on this issue by the Rajmata/ yovraj.

I feel not. Considering his utterences in Azamgarh.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 11 Dec 2010 19:05

Why are we resenting DS's statements? From a very cold assessment of India's needs, is the party - and more importantly the political establishment and philosophy represented by him - at all desirable or useful? That whole stream of India's political opportunist class is now best described as a rotten egg preserved in spicy vinegar. The more such leaders close to the dynastic fulcrum of the framework make such statements, the better.

Mumbai has reaped in a sense its own karma. Cynical it may seem, but it seems to have fit perfectly the classical allegory of a city devoted to profit only - the ultimate "whore" of an urban centre of Abrahamic memes. It may seem crude to remark so, but one day in the not so distant future, the city will be destroyed - out of its own greed and putting up everything for sale. It has allowed D-company and through it the Paki and Gulf influences - simply because of the profits such associations bring. it has still not penalized the roots and centres of the abomination that 26/11 was even electorally. All this simply because of potential future profits in getting raped currently.

It is best that people like DS speak so, the party behind him continues to win elections in coastal and western Maharashtra and dominate Mumbai, and that the city becomes the epitome of the mercantile mentality. It will fall, and in a spectacular way.

sum · Post by **sum** » 11 Dec 2010 20:58

SSridhar wrote:Digvijay Singh is tying himself into knots here. What is this business of 'as of now evidence suggests . . .'. He is doing total disservice to the brave police by depicting them in bad light and is also doing total service to anti-India forces especially Pakistani terrorists and conspiracy theorists. The earlier the INC gets rid of him, the better. As a former Judge has rightly said, Digvijay Singh must implead himself in the Kasab case and explain the telephone conversation he claims to have had with Shri Karkare and any other material he may have. As poll prospects become dimmer, we can expect to see such nonsense from politicians like Digvijay Singh and his comrades.

I refuse to believe that he is saying this on his own. From whatever i have seen of his statements so far on various issues, he seems to be the shoulder using which the G family puts out their views on "unpopular issues"

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 11 Dec 2010 22:16

SSridhar wrote:That some parties would go to any extent to garner Muslim votes is getting conclusively proved in Digvijay Singh's foolish utterances. That other countries are also beginning to understand this ulterior game makes this whole episode very shameful. I am sure patriotic Muslims of this nation see what this is worth for. To add to scam after scams with the ruling party maintaining a stoic defence of the culprits, we now have this extremely revulsive statement from the senior member of the ruling party.

So the Congress thinks it can get more Muslim votes by making anti-national statements and parroting paki propaganda. What scares me is that the the congress is the pioneer of vote bank politics in India. They aren't new to this game. So why do they continue to think so?

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 11 Dec 2010 22:19

brihaspati wrote:
Mumbai has reaped in a sense its own karma. Cynical it may seem, but it seems to have fit perfectly the classical allegory of a city devoted to profit only - the ultimate "whore" of an urban centre of Abrahamic memes. It may seem crude to remark so, but one day in the not so distant future, the city will be destroyed - out of its own greed and putting up everything for sale. It has allowed D-company and through it the Paki and Gulf influences - simply because of the profits such associations bring. it has still not penalized the roots and centres of the abomination that 26/11 was even electorally. All this simply because of potential future profits in getting raped currently.

Blaming the victim is a dangerous practice. For the first time Bji, you seem to not know what you are talking about. Who is the "it" you refer to when you say "it has allowed D-company and Paki influences"? Mumbai's citizens did not allow it. It was forced on them as the underworld usually is on any city. In India's case Mumbai was the city most profitable for the underworld because it was and is India's financial center and they converged here.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 12 Dec 2010 00:03

nachiket wrote:
brihaspati wrote:
Mumbai has reaped in a sense its own karma. Cynical it may seem, but it seems to have fit perfectly the classical allegory of a city devoted to profit only - the ultimate "whore" of an urban centre of Abrahamic memes. It may seem crude to remark so, but one day in the not so distant future, the city will be destroyed - out of its own greed and putting up everything for sale. It has allowed D-company and through it the Paki and Gulf influences - simply because of the profits such associations bring. it has still not penalized the roots and centres of the abomination that 26/11 was even electorally. All this simply because of potential future profits in getting raped currently.
Blaming the victim is a dangerous practice. For the first time Bji, you seem to not know what you are talking about. Who is the "it" you refer to when you say "it has allowed D-company and Paki influences"? Mumbai's citizens did not allow it. It was forced on them as the underworld usually is on any city. In India's case Mumbai was the city most profitable for the underworld because it was and is India's financial center and they converged here.

Did not blame the city after 90's blasts, did not blame the city even right after 26/11. Waited and waited to see electoral reactions against the political groupings. The only message that would have said clearly that those who are formally allotted the power to change - the elected representatives, local bodies, and the admin and coercive state machinery under the power of those representatives - will be penalized if they fail to clean up.

None whatsoever. If there is no penalty paid by those in power for such things, they never have any incentive to "change" their behaviour. If the people show no indication of even exercising the desire to penalize the incumbent government, the only conclusion left is that for them the profits to be derived from the city were far in excess of any "losses" of lives. After all maybe the total loss of lives and affected families are a minuscule portion of Mumbai population. So maybe others - the overwhelming majority - can afford to "move on", an euphemism for extreme self-interest and skipping responsibility because there is money to be made.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 12 Dec 2010 00:17

Ultimately no one has really paid for the 26/11 carnage - except the victims. The real political forces reigning at the time still reign supreme. only a chief minister had to resign. Since then no other seems to have been responsible for anything. Paki army, not so secret services, elite have not paid a single paise of life or pain on account of this. The centre has not paid. The political grouping in power at Maharashtra has not paid. The terrorists have not paid. Their handlers have not paid. their facilitators (otherwise the terrorists must also be divine creatures who can singlehandedly do such rambo style raids without any local help in India) have not been identified and paid. And it is more than two years now.

People have the power to choose and show their displeasure at least. They can use their anger in very effective ways through the polls. So if all this non-payment is nothing to be displeased about what else should I be thinking of as the character of the city?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Dec 2010 00:36

brihaspati:

Not only has TSP not paid a price, they are extracting the fruits of that barbarity. Look at all the back channel action on Kashmir. The ultimate blame game lies with the people of India for having voted MMS & Co back to power with such an overwhelming mandate.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 12 Dec 2010 00:42

sum wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Digvijay Singh is tying himself into knots here. What is this business of 'as of now evidence suggests . . .'. He is doing total disservice to the brave police by depicting them in bad light and is also doing total service to anti-India forces especially Pakistani terrorists and conspiracy theorists. The earlier the INC gets rid of him, the better. As a former Judge has rightly said, Digvijay Singh must implead himself in the Kasab case and explain the telephone conversation he claims to have had with Shri Karkare and any other material he may have. As poll prospects become dimmer, we can expect to see such nonsense from politicians like Digvijay Singh and his comrades.
I refuse to believe that he is saying this on his own. From whatever i have seen of his statements so far on various issues, he seems to be the shoulder using which the G family puts out their views on "unpopular issues"

What congress has seen in last 60 years is giving lip service to Muslims helps it. It worked for 60 or so odd years and still works at some places. But latest Bihar/Gujarat elections proved otherwise. Now the aware muslims are siding with real development and not just lip service.
Digvijay Singh is a parrot of G-Company. G-Company is advised on these issues by Ahmed Patel. The words of DS are actually coming from Ahmed Patel via G-Company filter. The problem(and strength) with G-Company is that it does not understand caste, religion politics so has to go along what the old timers suggest it to. Slowly as Indian democracy matures, by 2025 development will become core issue and such politicians will face same fate as Krishna Menon.

Digvijay Singh is however an anomaly. He is a King and studied at a very elite Indore school,(like Doon) and he is an engineer, but looks like he is like Chatur who still does not understand that his script has balatkar instead of chamatkar, and Patel and G-Company will dump him once he is of no use and that his script has become the laughing stock of the world.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 12 Dec 2010 00:53

brihaspati wrote: Mumbai has reaped in a sense its own karma. Cynical it may seem, but it seems to have fit perfectly the classical allegory of a city devoted to profit only - the ultimate "whore" of an urban centre of Abrahamic memes. It may seem crude to remark so, but one day in the not so distant future, the city will be destroyed - out of its own greed and putting up everything for sale. It has allowed D-company and through it the Paki and Gulf influences - simply because of the profits such associations bring. it has still not penalized the roots and centres of the abomination that 26/11 was even electorally. All this simply because of potential future profits in getting raped currently.

It is best that people like DS speak so, the party behind him continues to win elections in coastal and western Maharashtra and dominate Mumbai, and that the city becomes the epitome of the mercantile mentality. It will fall, and in a spectacular way.

Disagree with your mumbai analysis.
Marathas were and will always be one of the best roadblocks to radical Islamism in world. The security provided by Mumbai at approximately 1/50th the security budget as compared to Delhi is just phenomenal. Just look at total security budgets of Delhi and Mumbai.

Mumbai is like Karna and Delhi is like Arjuna. Inspite of everything in favor of Delhi and having Central govt behind it, the overall street level security situation in Mumbai is better than Delhi.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 12 Dec 2010 01:17

Karna_A wrote: Disagree with your mumbai analysis.
Marathas were and will always be one of the best roadblocks to radical Islamism in world. The security provided by Mumbai at approximately 1/50th the security budget as compared to Delhi is just phenomenal. Just look at total security budgets of Delhi and Mumbai.

Mumbai is like Karna and Delhi is like Arjuna. Inspite of everything in favor of Delhi and having Central govt behind it, the overall street level security situation in Mumbai is better than Delhi.

It is not about the security budget. If the ethnicity around that spot was really so much of an insulation against radical Islamism, then D-company would not even had a start or put down roots. Bollywood itself would not have taken the turn it had taken and allowed the dubious proximity or investments. I am not talking about the security budget. If the political power seekers have to pay the price of what appears to be accommodation of "radical Islamism", then such things as 26/11 would never have taken place.

There is a reality of local, field politics. If the bhumiputras really do not want it and are in overwhelming numbers against - it is not possible for hostile forces to take root, especially the islamist variety - unless it happens under full rashtryia coercive protection. But to even acknowledge such rashtryia protection in the days when D-company actually took root, we will have to blame the then prevailing political power in the region and at the centre. One way or the other, Congress then becomes responsible. If that version is not acceptable only the people of the region remains, or whoever elected the respective Congress governments. Where ever it has happened, some influential section of the locals have allowed it deliberately to happen. The Mumbai scene probably started under the Brits so Marathas should not be seen as responsible. Now, does the "Maratha" power exist with the "earlier" consciousness? It ceased to exist in 1818. Mumbai was a British designed "enclave". Why bring the "Maratha" in?!

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 12 Dec 2010 09:15

brihaspati wrote: Did not blame the city after 90's blasts, did not blame the city even right after 26/11. Waited and waited to see electoral reactions against the political groupings.

I don't think we should blindly assume that India is a democracy while EVMs continue to be used.

ShivaS · Post by **ShivaS** » 12 Dec 2010 09:29

we pay 5 Lakhs extra salary to stay in Gurgaon but people refuse because of safety and security in addition to uncivilized community living.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 12 Dec 2010 10:09

brihaspati wrote:Ultimately no one has really paid for the 26/11 carnage - except the victims. The real political forces reigning at the time still reign supreme. only a chief minister had to resign.

Vilasrao Deshmukh resigned on 5th December, 2008. He was appointed Minister of Heavy industries and Public Enterprises on 28th May 2009.

Shivraj Patil resigned on 30th November 2008. He was appointed Governor of Punjab and Administrator of Chandigarh on Januray 22, 2010.

So, some people believe that these men are not guilty at all! There is no reason to demand accountability!

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Dec 2010 10:38

ShivaS wrote:we pay 5 Lakhs extra salary to stay in Gurgaon but people refuse because of safety and security in addition to uncivilized community living.

You mean fear of Paki terrorists & their Indian cohorts? So where do they stay?

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 12 Dec 2010 10:52

brihaspati wrote:It is not about the security budget. If the ethnicity around that spot was really so much of an insulation against radical Islamism, then D-company would not even had a start or put down roots. Bollywood itself would not have taken the turn it had taken and allowed the dubious proximity or investments. I am not talking about the security budget. If the political power seekers have to pay the price of what appears to be accommodation of "radical Islamism", then such things as 26/11 would never have taken place.

Mumbai has been kept busy fighting other Indians directed by Delhi. This will stop being an issue when Delhi falls or is ceded to the Islamists.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 12 Dec 2010 11:33

Indian Mujahideen should give honorary membership to Digivijay singh, There is no better media propagandist than Digivijay

IM had plans to kill Karkare, reveals email http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 085991.cms

NEW DELHI: Slain Mumbai ATS chief Hemant Karkare was on the hit list of Indian Mujahideen (IM), proxy of the Lashkar-e-Taiba , which has among its senior cadre a number of youth from UP’s Azamgarh district.

Three months before Karkare was shot by Lashkar terrorists, their Indian IM comrades had threatened him for what his team was doing.

In a warning to Karkare, the IM in an email on August 23, 2008, had said: ‘‘ Let us notify you, top officials of ATS like Hemant Karkare and allies that our line of attack has already been masterminded for you’’ .
IM threat issued after a joint operation by Guj, Maha police

Besides Karkare, the IM had also mentioned the then Gujarat police chief P C Pande and joint commissioner of police (crime) Ashish Bhatia as the trio had launched a major crackdown against its cadre in various joint operations after the July 26 2008 serial blasts in Ahmedabad.

Pouring venom against Karkare, Pande and others, the IM wrote: ‘‘ O you cowardly bast**** of ATS Gujarat, ATS Mumbai, ACB, Gujarat Police and fools like thereof! you are the most foolish enemies the Mujahideen of Islam have ever fought against! Look! we are directly challenging you that Insha Allah we will carry out our next attacks right under you close vigil... ’’ .

The threat was issued just after a joint operation by police teams of Gujarat and Maharashtra working with Intelligence Bureau made some crucial arrests. Altogether , 10 IM cadres were arrested in August 2008.

David Headly , the US-born Pakistani Lashkar terrorist, also told his interrogators from the National Investigation Agency that he was told by Sajid, a Lashkar commanders who guided the 26/11 attackers, that Kasab and his fellow terrorists had eliminated senior police officers of Mumbai. Senior sources in the home ministry who worked with Karkare are aghast by Congress leader Digvijay Singh’s statement, giving the impression that Karkare could have been killed by Hindu terrorists.

They are concerned that the unwarranted and unsubstantiated statements would make it difficult for the police personnel to proceed against the IM operatives and sympathisers who last week showed their resilience and capabilities by setting off the blast in Varanasi on December 7.

They said that repeated endorsements of the claim of family members of the terror accused from Azamgarh that police were harassing innocents had emboldened the terrorists , while demoralising police personnel. They make particular mention of visits of politicians to one Mr Bhai of Sanjarpur and Dr Javed of Azamgarh, whose sons are accused in terror attacks which claimed hundreds of innocent lives.

Two sons of Sanjarpur — Saif and (Dr) Shahnawaz — figure among those identified by police as hardcore IM members. Saif was nabbed after being cornered by Delhi Police at Batla House, while Shahnawaz, a Unani doctor, continues to dodge police to plot terror activities. Asadullah , son of Dr Javed, a noted orthopaedic surgeon of Azamgarh who is the leader of the radical Muslim outfit Ulema Council, is also suspected of terrorist activities.

Sources said that Karkare was a key figure in the operation involving police forces of several states to bust the IM modules comprising youth from Sanjarpur.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 12 Dec 2010 21:28

Raghavendra wrote:Indian Mujahideen should give honorary membership to Digivijay singh, There is no better media propagandist than Digivijay

IM had plans to kill Karkare, reveals email http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 085991.cms

Its a matter of Time before Digvijay Singh starts saying that Kargil operation was planned by RSS by using Amarnath cave pilgrims to occupy the Kargil peaks as they were already used to snowy heights.
Also the Mig-27 was shot down by RSS Dhanush wielding cadres.
"Jitni chabi bhari G-company ne, utna chale khilona"

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 12 Dec 2010 21:32

brihaspati wrote: It is not about the security budget. If the ethnicity around that spot was really so much of an insulation against radical Islamism, then D-company would not even had a start or put down roots. Bollywood itself would not have taken the turn it had taken and allowed the dubious proximity or investments. I am not talking about the security budget. If the political power seekers have to pay the price of what appears to be accommodation of "radical Islamism", then such things as 26/11 would never have taken place.

There is a reality of local, field politics. If the bhumiputras really do not want it and are in overwhelming numbers against - it is not possible for hostile forces to take root, especially the islamist variety - unless it happens under full rashtryia coercive protection. But to even acknowledge such rashtryia protection in the days when D-company actually took root, we will have to blame the then prevailing political power in the region and at the centre. One way or the other, Congress then becomes responsible. If that version is not acceptable only the people of the region remains, or whoever elected the respective Congress governments. Where ever it has happened, some influential section of the locals have allowed it deliberately to happen. The Mumbai scene probably started under the Brits so Marathas should not be seen as responsible. Now, does the "Maratha" power exist with the "earlier" consciousness? It ceased to exist in 1818. Mumbai was a British designed "enclave". Why bring the "Maratha" in?!

What you are saying about Mumbai can be applied to whole of India also. "If the bhumiputras really do not want it and are in overwhelming numbers against - it is not possible for hostile forces to take root, especially the islamist variety - unless it happens under full rashtryia coercive protection."
Why pick on Mumbai, a city that used to until recently, give 70% of all income tax earnings in India. I am from Delhi but until few years back most of EXTRA money seen in Delhi was the corruption kind whereas Mumbai was the hard earned type.
If Mumbai has D-Company, it also has the most successful right wing party in India i.e Shiv Sena. Just like Al Capone being in Chicago was not Chicago's fault, the mafia in Mumbai is just a reflection and consequence of its success. Only Honey attracts flies and bees.
Bollywood was attracted to underworld because of wrong tax policies. Thanks to Nehru socialism, the top tax rate in India was at one time 93.5%!. The money for movies could only come from black money. Now since tax laws are reformed, there is more corporate sponsorship of movies.
http://www.unescap.org/drpad/publicatio ... _2/rao.pdf

The failure of right wing parties(except Gujarat, Bihar) in India has been to show real development along with law and order. But slowly its changing. Just one thing like making voting compulsory can make a big difference in type of people elected. The easiest way to get that done is by having a lottery prizes for those who vote. "Kaun banega voting crorepati" can have a very lasting affect on the type of people elected as then the vote banks would become irrelevant and parties would have to cater to the center.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Dec 2010 22:07

SSridhar wrote:Digvijay Singh is tying himself into knots here. What is this business of 'as of now evidence suggests . . .'. He is doing total disservice to the brave police by depicting them in bad light and is also doing total service to anti-India forces especially Pakistani terrorists and conspiracy theorists. The earlier the INC gets rid of him, the better. As a former Judge has rightly said, Digvijay Singh must implead himself in the Kasab case and explain the telephone conversation he claims to have had with Shri Karkare and any other material he may have. As poll prospects become dimmer, we can expect to see such nonsense from politicians like Digvijay Singh and his comrades.

its pre-poll consolidation. They can't facilitate another 26/11(by apparent negligence) so the next best thing is to create a virtual one. Every time the Pakis create an incident and Indians make rash statements about Indian Muslims the vote consolidation occurs for INC. Due to fractured polity and Manchurian parties like PRP in Andhra, MNS in Maha and that fake one in TN a little support from vote banks helps to get to the top. Then you have the fakes to support you in coalition.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 13 Dec 2010 01:51

Suggesting Mumbai or Mumbaikars could have stopped it is foolish; to suggest these folks should have reacted by voting out these thugs is a valid point and we'll know if the trend over Maharashtra civic corporations is followed all over the city. One important point is that the attacks were not on Mumbai alone -- they were on INDIA! When one suggests there be a reaction by the junta janardhan, one should hope for a nation-wide routing of elements that are perceived as having not done enough either before or after the attacks.

Exactly right. A country is like a human body. An attack on teeth cannot be blamed on teeth even if they are crooked. That the attack was successful means the hands, legs and probably the brain were also not working.
What is next? Kargil blamed on nomads of Kargil?
Moreover, in Mumbai the money is mostly with Gujaratis, Marwaris, Sindhis, Parsis and not with Marathis. Its hard to imagine that Marathis would vote so others can sustain their money, while marathis pay with their lives.

Indian junta has been betrayed so many times that they know that replacing one scoundrel with another means nothing. In fact atleast old scoundrel made his money, so may not need much more, but new scoundrel may start from beginning.
But like in Bihar and Gujarat when Indian junta sees real action on ground and there is visible difference, it gives the deserving absolute majority.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 13 Dec 2010 01:54

Marten ji, excellent post. Thanks for articulating what even I was thinking so well.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 13 Dec 2010 07:17

Marten ji,
the last exchange we had, ended in a proposal to "disengage" from mutual exchanges altogether. I had the impression and "honoured" it by not responding to your earlier post asking about following the civic polls. If "disengaging" was not really meant or has been withdrawn, let me know. I can then follow up.

Not aimed at anyone in particular, but ranting is not bad actually. Rants often respond to pointers that were not really there to start with. What rants deliberately miss and what rants target may reveal a lot of interesting issues. Thanks to everyone who assumed the burden of victim/accused on behalf of Mumbai.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 13 Dec 2010 07:36

^^^No, no, just wasn't sure after the last exchange on JLN in the burqa forum - where there was a proposal to disengage(?). So did not reply to the "civic polls" issue you raised before. You raise some excellent issues in what you describe as "rant". I should have put a smiley in my previous post.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Dec 2010 09:21

Wonder if Digvijay Singh is trying to bolster Kasab who is the actual killer of Sri Karkare?

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 13 Dec 2010 09:29

Ramana - was just thinking along those lines. Kasab's latest line has been that he was not involved in the killing of Karkare. Digvijay's comments seem to be timed perfectly to give credence to Kasab's arguments - oddly times don't you think?

http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/ ... &BV_ID=@@@

Mumbai: Describing evidence against him in the 26/11 attacks as "weak", Pakistani gunman Ajmal Kasab Thursday asserted before Bombay High Court that police had not been able to prove beyond reasonable doubt he had killed police officers Hemant Karkare and Vijay Salaskar.

His lawyer, Amin Solkar, harped on trial judge M.L. Tahaliyani's observation in the verdict that bullets recovered from bodies of Karkare and Salaskar did not tally with the weapons of Kasab and Abu Ismail, though bullets found in police officer Ashok Kamte's body matched with Ismail's rifle.

There was no conclusive evidence to prove that Kasab was present at the spot, near Cama Hospital, where Karkare and two other officers were gunned down and also to show that he had fired at them, Solkar, who concluded arguments on Kasab's appeal against death sentence awarded to him in 26/11 attack case, said.

Not surprisingly, those vehemently opposed to Kasab's imprisonment and blaming Pakistan, will find a new lease of life...

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_l ... th_1477629

A Mumbai-based lawyer has filed an intervening application in the Bombay high court seeking fresh probe by 'central agencies' into the death of ATS chief Hemant Karkare in the 26/11 terror attacks.

The high court is already hearing a PIL filed by R Yadav and Jyoti Badekar which has sought investigation into the "conspiracy angle" of Karkare's death, as suggested by former IPS officer SM Mushrif in his book Who Killed Karkare. The book contends that Karkare's death could be a result of a conspiracy of Hindu extremists.
......
Besides the conspiracy theory in Mushrif's book, city-based lawyer Ansari, in the intervening plea, also relies on Congress leader Narayan Rane's statement in the aftermath of November 26 attack that he knew some "political leaders" who had provided help to the terrorists.

This too must be probed further, advocate Ansari said.

The high court had earlier disposed of another PIL which had sought probe into Rane's statement.

The present PIL, in which Ansari has sought to intervene, will come up for hearing next week.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Dec 2010 09:39

Maybe Diggy gets his orders from Mushy!
I really wonder what Mumbaikars think of him?

Sri Hemant Karkare was killed by Pakis while answering call of duty and this pig tries to pin the blame on others just as the murder does.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 13 Dec 2010 09:43

^^^
Kasab personally killed Karkare or he did not is not relevent. He was a part of the group of 10 which killed Karkare (SP?) and others and that he was a part of the conspirecy to atatck Mumbai. Thats good enough for the Law. So he is guilty as charged.

DS's statment can also be seen from the POV of the stailmate in the parliament and his visit to Azamgarh and his apologies to the traitors of that area.

The purpose of politics is to geain and retain power at all costs. If you understand that. Then his utterences make a lot of sense.

But the election results in Bihar also give hope that in future the Indian population will not be diided by the politics of hate and appasmet.

It will be interesting to watch the interplay between the two......

Edited later ......

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Dec 2010 09:45

This whole Digvijay Singh thing makes me sick in my stomach. Can you imagine the chuckles and laughter going on at the GHQ in Rawilpindi?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Dec 2010 09:46

Who cares about log khay kahenge? And he who laughs last last the loudest.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 13 Dec 2010 09:47

For cong anyone who is not associated with RSS & hindu nationalist party is innocent after proven guilty.
If kasab had came out first day that he belongs to RSS he would of been hang by now.

This sort of drama isnt new for congress....

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 13 Dec 2010 09:48

If there really are "Hindu terrorists" in India, Digvijay would be a target, wouldn't he? The fact that he can do this treasonous acts so openly proves that claims of "Hindu terrorism" are a big joke.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Dec 2010 09:51

R-man,

Give me you sarcastic take, after Digvijay's puke, how much more contempt there will be for MMS's dossiers at the GHQ?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 13 Dec 2010 09:55

CRS, did they respect the dosas in the first place?

negi · Post by **negi** » 13 Dec 2010 09:58

How easy is it for sleeper cells to make/procure PETN/C4 ? Also what's this tit bit about PETN being favorite of L.e.T and Al Queda ? I thought J.e.M/L.e.T/H.u.M types used RDX . I suspect this switch to PETN/C4 might have something to do with dhakkan NATO forces(Unkil fprces use C4 for demolition purposes) in Af-Pak i.e. their logistics/supply chain is being tapped into (all those convoys being intercepted in TSP now make sense) or left overs are being redistributed to the Jihadis by the TSPA.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 Dec 2010 09:59

Pratyush wrote:CRS, did they respect the dosas in the first place?

I didn't frame my question to R-man appropriately. Given the disdain with which the dosas were treated till now, how much lower can it get?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 13 Dec 2010 10:06

Not much lower it seems. But having trojans like DS in the ruling party who go on shooting off their mouths for narrow political gains. Compromises the effectiveness of the GOI. If this is all to get the Yuvraj gaddi.

Then only an act of god can save us from the saviour.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 13 Dec 2010 10:18

Pratyush wrote:The purpose of politics is to geain and retain power at all costs. If you understand that. Then his utterences make a lot of sense.

That's like saying the purpose of life is to compete effectively and therefore it makes a whole lot of sense to murder one's competitors. Only someone with a completely twisted sense of ethics would tolerate and justify such rationalization - but most Indians have turned too cynical to understand the joke is on them !!

Considering his statements on Azamgarh, LET, 26/11 - Diggy is now proven to be an anti-national retard. And if S & M continue to remain silent on him, they will be proven to be equally complicit in the subversion of India.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 13 Dec 2010 10:20

Reported speech

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/repor ... h/723864/0

It appears odd that just as the Congress is busy working out who speaks what for the party and when, it believes it can get away by putting a mile between itself and a general secretary’s statement on Hemant Karkare by saying it was a report of a private conversation.

Leave aside the semantics of what’s private in a high political functionary’s words uttered at a book release function and then again in an interview to this newspaper. That would merely invite the charge that the party was muddling through the storm. What must be of concern is that this refusal to take a stand and thereby do right by India’s people, most of all its Muslims, draws from an ingrained instinct to allude to a communal divide and then reach out to the minorities by offering a healing touch. This pattern asserts itself after major terrorist incidents. Recall a similar two-toned whistle that another Congress leader attempted after 26/11, or the aftermath of the Batla House encounter in New Delhi. The pattern is familiar: someone from the Congress suggests a conspiracy to wrongly implicate some persons in an incident, and the party suddenly becomes coy and equivocal. This kind of strategy to test the political waters is sure to be found out. The Congress, it is too commonly known, is not a party given to an internal argument for argument’s sake. Today’s Congress is too managed as an organisation for leaders to even think of provoking political storms without at least tacit consent from those who matter.

...
. As the ultimate establishment party, the Congress might be more comfortable with old tricks, but it desperately needs to rethink its repertoire.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 13 Dec 2010 14:22

Call records don’t match Diggy claim
http://in.news.yahoo.com/call-records-d ... claim.html

Digvijay Singh’s claim of having spoken to Maharashtra ATS chief Hemant Karkare two hours before his death is getting disproved as the slain police officer’s cell phone records show he neither called nor received a call from the Congress general secretary at 7 pm on November 26, 2008, when Digvijay ought to have spoken to him.

Singh had stirred up a controversy when he claimed that the ATS chief had called him to say he was worried as his life was under threat from Hindu fundamentalists. The next day, however, he claimed that it was he who had called up Karkare.

Karkare’s wife Kavita denied the statement, saying her husband had not spoken to the Congress leader.

MAIL TODAY has exclusive details of Karkare’s 26/ 11 call records, on which Singh’s number does not appear at the time mentioned. The records show that Singh couldn’t have reached Karkare at his office at 7 pm, as the ATS chief had left before 5 pm.

Singh also could not have spoken to Karkare at his residence as the ATS chief had gone to attend a meeting with the then Mumbai Police Commissioner Hassan Gafoor around 7 pm, and then gone to meet home minister R. R. Patil at the Mantralaya between 8.30 and 9.30 pm.

When MAILTODAY accessed his records, it was found that Karkare had only spoken to two police officials for more than 2 minutes between 5 pm and 8 pm on 26/11. One was a 125-second-long incoming call at 5.42 pm from 98706088**, which belongs to senior IPS officer Vishwas Nangre Patil. There was no call received or taken by Karkare at 7 pm Karkare was also on the line with then DGP A.N. Roy (987017000) for 283 seconds.

Digvijay Singh didn’t respond to repeated calls from MAIL TODAY. His response to SMS queries on the discrepancy was, “I have the call record too”. Though he said he would speak to MAIL TODAY on the inconsistency, he refused to respond to calls and SMSes thereafter. Singh’s claim is incredulous not only because of the call records, but also because those who knew Karkare well said he would not speak to a politician on such matters.

“The point is Karakre would not have spoken to him about all this even if he (Digvijay) had called him. How could he have told Singh he was worried about his life when he had not spoken to me?”said an IPS officer who was a close friend.

The officer, who preferred not to be identified, said Karkare was threatened by all kinds of people.“ It was not just Hindutva fundamentalists. Karkare first got threats from the Indian Mujahideen when their cadres were arrested after the 2008 serial blasts. Yes, he did get terror threats from Hindutva fundamentalists.Someone called up the Pune police and told them that Karkare and Ajay Misar, the prosecutor who initially argued the ATS case against Lt Col Purohit, would be bumped off. But Misar is still alive,” the officer said. Karkare had also been threatened by the Maoists as he had served a considerable period in Maoist- dominated Gadchiroli.

“Can we say tomorrow that the Maoists had a hand in his killing? The fact is, he did face an extraordinary amount of pressure and he felt it was unwarranted because the Hindutva terror case was just a normal case for him. But to say he confided all this to Digvijay Singh, a politician, is humbug,” said the friend.