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China: Tibet: Thousands of Tibetans evicted to make way for Lhundrub dam
The hydroelectric project will dam up 3 rivers in Lhundrub County. Thousands of peasants deprived of their homes and land to cultivate; no one knows how they will survive. No respect for the rights of the Tibetans in economic development of Tibet.
http://www.speroforum.com/a/44914/China ... undrub-dam
Local sources tells Radio Free Asia, that "the Chinese are building bridges and blocking the river." "The Chinese have already built houses for the Chinese soldiers who arrived to build a dam."The rivers, Radreng, Lhaching and Pachoe, flow near Phodo and it is believed that the dam will involve them all. The project directly regards at least six villages, including Phodo.Some families have already been removed and all will be transferred before September 2011. Meanwhile, to persuade them to go away, authorities have warned residents "that they can not cultivate or irrigate their land, nor grow crops."The more than 500 families of Phodo do not want to leave, because in addition to the house, they would lose crops, their only means of livelihood, and fear of receiving inadequate housing, and remain without work. For this reason they have asked to remain in the area but have been refused and were housed in various centres. Some families have been sent to the capital Lhasa, where there is no arable land, the peasants had to sell their livestock."Every family - the source added - should receive 10 thousand yuan in compensation, but was ordered to spend it to build the new house."
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An article on honesty and integrity of our PM MMS

Honestly Speaking
I fail to understand why almost every commentator, every TV anchor, every editorial writer feels compelled to pay ritual obeisance to the “personal honesty and integrity” of Dr Manmohan Singh
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Are they taking refuge behind the "personal honsesty" of Dr.Singh,as if he were a "fig leaf",to cover their own "nakedness"? Or are they,knowing the truth of the matter, trying to sheild Dr.Singh from his very own complicity on the avalanche of scandals?!
In either case the "honesty" of Dr.Singh is now a non-0issue as he is either the most incompetent PM we've ever had or he is up to his truban in guilt by complicity in every single scam,as the buck stops with the PM.

Talking of turbans,it is an outrage that Hardeep Puri,our UN envoy was asked to "remove his turban" in the US! It seems to be India-bashing time in the US of Asses.Let'ss ee what further insults are ehaded India's way.The MEA should in turn "do the same to every US diplomat entering our land,and ask them to remove their U'Wear in return!
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Nitish Kumar as usual has got it upside down

Bihar to have police stations for women, SCs & STs
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are we looking at aparthide upside down. or a replacement of the Two nation theory with multiple nation theory...............
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Honestly Speaking
I fail to understand why almost every commentator, every TV anchor, every editorial writer feels compelled to pay ritual obeisance to the “personal honesty and integrity” of Dr Manmohan Singh
Thats because MNCs are warning each media-owner not to say that MMS is corrupt, lest public demand to expel MMS increases. MMS is very dear to MNCs, as he has been most obedient puppet of MNCs.
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Apropos MMS laments on Parlimentary System in India NVS writes at newsinsight.net
Embarrassment in Germany
Manmohan Singh has let down the country on a foreign tour, says N.V.Subramanian.

Washington, 13 December 2010: Prime minister Manmohan Singh usually does not need to be told what not to say or to do in public. If anything, he veers to the extremes of omissions. For example, he has not spoken strongly against corruption in the backdrop of the 2G scandal despite a personal reputation for financial integrity and he has not had the courage to accept to have his government face a JPC inquiry into the spectrum allotment scam which has destroyed India's image worldwide.

Instead of speaking and doing where he should and must, which is on the 2G scandal in India, he shares his minimal and hopeless thoughts on the scam in a foreign land, on his arrival for a Germany state visit. Apropos the JPC demand of the opposition, the PM says, "I am worried about the future of the parliamentary system. I hope reason will prevail."

More than once, the PM has commented on domestic politics on overseas trips. It is evident that the Congress president, Sonia Gandhi, totally controls the party's domestic politics, and that Manmohan Singh is allowed some limited say in foreign policy. This is one of the terms of division of power (Sonia and the rest of the Gandhi family have no responsibilities) between Manmohan Singh and her. But that still cannot justify his comments on domestic politics abroad, especially as they throw divisive light on India.

This writer and this magazine and political parties like the BJP have earlier castigated the PM for advertising domestic political differences abroad. The PM was more prone to this affliction when he had newly assumed office. He checked himself after the criticisms. Now he is at it again.

You could argue that Manmohan Singh did not reveal anything that was unknown about political differences related to the 2G scam. Foreign diplomatic conversations would be full of it. If the Wikileaks on US state department communications is any indication, the diplomatic community has a fairly good understanding of India's internal political differences, and the assorted chicaneries of the ruling party are well-assessed.

But there is a subtle but significant difference between what is available in the public domain which is readily accessible to the world and how a travelling prime minister responds to it. For instance, if the PM gently had deflected questions on 2G overseas, with a simple statement that he had no intention of speaking on domestic political differences abroad, it would bring him respect and honours in India and with his foreign hosts. His foreign hosts automatically would be warned not to raise sensitive issues of domestic political differences with him. It would strengthen rather than weaken his visit.

But now, foreign governments have been provided an opening by none other than the PM to raise issues of domestic political differences with him. Even if the questioning is polite, it is bound to be incisive. Manmohan Singh is not going to emerge victorious after such encounters, especially after he has run down India's parliamentary democracy so openly.

It is factual to say that the nominal prime-ministership of Manmohan Singh has taken a fair toll of India's parliamentary system of government. As such, India's coalition politics has contributed to the weakening of the system, from which there is no easy present escape. But the situation infinitely has been worsened by the division of power between Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh, where she wields all the clout and he rubber-stamps her decisions.

It is this peculiar and disastrous construction of UPA/ Congress politics that has strained India's parliamentary system. Obviously, Manmohan Singh is unlikely to focus on this. But to transfer blame on the parliamentary system to cover his own inadequacies and failures is unacceptable, especially as it has occurred during a foreign tour. If the parliamentary system is so unworkable, why doesn't he resign? It is quite besides the point that no political system anywhere in the world is working, not least the US presidential system under Barack Obama.

Manmohan Singh clearly has undermined himself, the parliamentary system and India by his statements in Germany. At the very least, he deserves a verbal roasting for his staggering indiscretion. On the other hand, if only to save the parliamentary system from apostates like Manmohan Singh, the opposition must further raise the heat on the 2G scandal and wrest a JPC probe.
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Philip wrote:Are they taking refuge behind the "personal honsesty" of Dr.Singh,as if he were a "fig leaf",to cover their own "nakedness"? Or are they,knowing the truth of the matter, trying to sheild Dr.Singh from his very own complicity on the avalanche of scandals?!
In either case the "honesty" of Dr.Singh is now a non-0issue as he is either the most incompetent PM we've ever had or he is up to his truban in guilt by complicity in every single scam,as the buck stops with the PM.

Talking of turbans,it is an outrage that Hardeep Puri,our UN envoy was asked to "remove his turban" in the US! It seems to be India-bashing time in the US of Asses.Let'ss ee what further insults are ehaded India's way.The MEA should in turn "do the same to every US diplomat entering our land,and ask them to remove their U'Wear in return!
Just ask to remove neck ties, belts, and socks and shoes and make them walk the security queue. All legitimate stuff to be checked separately and all can hide stuff. Put through contraband and banned substances scanners and dogs - just for their own safety. Trained dogs can sniff the privates down -cant they?
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http://www.coolavenues.com/cafe/think-p ... -tolerance
Scams : New Zero Tolerance
Something is afoot. Not the ongoing serial exposures of IPL shenanigans , Commonwealth Games Scams, Adarsh Society, 2G scam, Karnataka Mining mafias, LIC Housing loans, and now Radia tapes leaks, etc. Only the birds and school kids ever believed in the brightness of the Emerging India script . We all have known, and known for long decades, that it is not only in Denmark or the Allahabad High Court where something is rotten. The smart have in fact deciphered the genetik and politik of the Indian rottenness and prospered by shrewd sub – radar navigation through it for decades. Of course.What is new is the serial nature of the expose`s and the curious aftermath. Exposures of scams in India are old hat , and there is a whole repertoire of dealing with them – commissions, CBI probes, JPCs, etc- to carry on business as usual while creating the second- order illusion that scams can be tackled. But this time a different script seems to be unfolding.
From the outset the messages is of no shielding of the unfortunate guilty. Tharoor had to go ; Kalmadi and company were told that they will have to go and they are going; Raja has gone; Ashok Chavan had to go, and the Generals and Admirals are being chased; others are being readied for similar punishments. A new rectitude is in the air. This is strange .And it goes further. Vedanta, POSCO, Karnataka’s mining syndicates, telecom companies, Lavasa etc which are among the main pillars of Emerging India have been put on real, and legal, notice. Astounded, the pillars are complaining, and going to high courts and cutely demanding “natural justice”. But the buzz is : rule of law to prevail and guilty be punished , even if holy cows like foreign investments or market sentiments are hurt. This is surely something new. Even Pawar has uttered sentences of protest. It is this new nip in the air — and not the shaggy old JPC for 2G spectrum — that has jammed up not only the parliament but the whole darbaristan of New Delhi today.
So, andar ki baat kya hai?
Is it a new conversion or the good old Haj after eating 900 mice? Are the half- unveiled Mr and Ms Cleans of India striking out for a gleaming India, or is it yet another, third- order sleight of hand of the bad old India? Hm , lets see. What are the straws in the wind?Unlike the post WW II south- east Asia or the newly fledged Russia, India has been holding out on “full scope” Reforms just as it has been doing so on full scope NPT/IAEA regimes. India’s elite , shrewd like the firangi elites , wants its full pound of flesh. The Indo-US nuclear deal was the turning point, crafted by Bush and Manmohan Singh.An aside: the Club is not an ossified restroom of English baronetcy, but a sort of poolroom hangout of yankee-european old money-new money tango , often a mafia, a FIFA / Formula 1 cabal, or even a neo- Masonic knightly parade- ground.
Now it will not do as it was possible earlier to stop POSCO on environmental or any other laws and let our Jindals and Aggarwals, or even Tatas and Ambanis , get away. Now law has to be law, no feudal exemptions please. Obama has already promised Security Council seat and pointedly told the Indian parliament that India, therefore, has to behave — and fulfill “obligations” of a responsible world power. From now on global capitalisms club- rules apply. This transformation is what is actually going on today in newspapers , magazines , and TV screens.Of course there are many sides to it, as all club rules always have. Indian domestic and foreign policies will of course be made “covergent” with America`s, still the fattest cat of the club. Of course all this will have to be dovetailed with launching of Rahul Gandhi – the prime Ms Clean – in 2014; new managers like Jairam Ramesh, Manishankar Aiyer, Digvijay Singh, Omar Abdullah etc are busy jockeying for stewardships. Of course, and yadda yadda of course. Manmohan Singh, the humble beadle of this conversion since his 1991 Budget Speech unleashing “animal spirits” is now well on his way to apotheosis — despite his ever- pardoned , correct, but politically inept or ill timed foreign policy sallies on Kashmir, Pakistan etc. There is even talk of a Nobel prize. Yes , don’t be surprised.
See?
Bihar has already understood this first in India, as usual.In short, what we are seeing is India’s own New Deal unfolding towards a globally syndicated non welfare- state of pure, unalloyed , capitalism. And naturally it will have Indian Characteristics. Jai ho !



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When I have looked at Indian interests I have always thought that a national party was the best bet of carrying and protecting the national interests.

Having seen the actions of the the national party I feel and pray that they should be wiped out from the electoral system and it should remain that way until they are able to free them selves from the first family. In that I had hoped that the recent landslide loss in the State legislative elections should have knocked some sense in that party. But was sadly mistaken, that this party could be reclaimed.

I have strong hopes that, 2012, will deliver us from the evil that has gripped the nation and the party. In this I am praying for the victory of a force that has never had an approval from me in the past as I had always felt that its politics was divisive in the extream. But today as I evaluate this force I feel that it stands more for some thing rather then anti another. Its opposition of some thing is merely a consequence of its standing for some thing. It founder famously said that the are opportunistic rather then believing in some ideology or the other. But the founder is dead. Replaced with a lady who may be described as the new Iron lady of India if she manages to win a second term.

I prey that she wins the second term with a landslide. That is the only way the national party will see the folly of its ways and perhaps will take steps to return to the national fold.

If it still dose not then it is beyond reclaim.

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Pratyush, The INC is conglomeration of regional parties with central family leadership that cannot stand for election in any state by itself. Its a perfect holding company operation. As such strog regional leaders are not tolerated. Its a Constitiutional monarchy disguised as a democracy.

However that doesn't mean all of India is like that.

Meanwhile Telegraph has this op-ed

Novice Super Power
A NOVICE SUPERPOWER
- India now has a chance to recreate its past golden ages WRITING ON THE WALL - ASHOK V. DESAI


In 1916, as the First World War raged around him and killed off a generation of young men, Oswald Spengler started writing his Der Untergang des Abendlandes (The Decline of the West). It took him 10 years to give final shape to the two-volume magnum opus. When it was finished, it gave a grand view of human history from the beginning to the end. There are many diversions in it, but its central assertion was that there have been three major civilizations — the Greco-Roman in the first millennium before Christ, the Jewish-Arabic in the first millennium after Christ, and the Western civilization in the millennium that has just ended. Every civilization rose, reached a zenith and declined. The sun was just about to set on the Western civilization.

Spengler did not survive long enough to see its end. The Western civilization went on to wage an even more destructive war, and emerged from it with all its technological guns firing. The dynamism imparted to it by major innovations led to its greatest boom in the second half of the last century. But in recent years it has shown signs of decelerating on both sides of the Atlantic. That has led to new fears of its last gasp. Although Thomas Friedman would not cast his thesis in Spenglerian terms, his message is similar: the East is about to overtake the West. And while the decline of the West may not be as spectacular as the rise of China, it is difficult to ignore the fact that the world is being rebalanced and reshaped.

In this world, India can heave a sigh of relief that it is not on the declining side. If at all, its sun is rising. But it is not a part of the empire of the rising sun. Empires today have a global reach; India cannot quite ignore how the global balance is changing. The forces that change that balance have also changed. It is not that war has disappeared as a force for change. Nuclear weapons have made major wars costly enough to rule them out. But they have also in a sense distributed punitive power more equitably. Fifty years ago there were three nuclear powers; today there are at least eight, including such Lilliputians like Israel and North Korea. Fifty years from now, there may be 50 such powers. But the dominant form of competition between great powers is now economic.

At the moment, there are only three economic global powers — China, the United States of America and the European Union. Many Indians yearn for global power status; they have friends in the West who would like India to emerge as a major power. But size of the economy is not enough to make a global power; it has to project itself outside, with trade and investment, and India has not been able to do so.

China has grown its trade much faster; that is what has projected it outside its frontiers, and made it a global power. Its sea trade carries it everywhere. On land, it has been expanding westward. It has absorbed Tibet and almost finished digesting it. It is the dominant trading partner of Central Asian republics.

At the same time, the EU has been expanding eastwards. It has annexed one east European country after another. It is balking before Turkey on account of the religious divide. But sooner or later, it will succumb to the logic of global power, and reach up to the Baltic. Sooner or later, its economic frontiers will coincide with those of China. The Eurasian continent is on the way to being divided up between these two powers. The fate of Russia is still undecided, largely because the Europeans are as prejudiced against the Russians as they are against Turks. But Russia is a fairly empty country; it is getting emptier as its population declines. Both China and the EU will want to access Russia’s natural resources. So it will probably be informally divided up.

This division does not impinge directly on India. But it can neither do anything about the division. It can wait and watch as the global powers to its north extend their reach. Is that all it can do? Or does it have any freedom of manoeuvre?

I think it has some; its freedom of manoeuvre lies to its south and west. It has forgotten after 60 years of inward-looking nationalism that it was once the world’s biggest maritime power — not militarily, but economically. The trading area centred on India was so rich that Western powers fought wars over it; it is the area that made the British great for a century. Its fortunes have declined; it has become a pond of less-developed frogs. But growth today is no one’s monopoly, nor is it denied to any country. The Indian Ocean area is India’s backwater; it must work on developing this area, and tying it to India with economic interrelationships.

Some of it has happened without India trying. The United Arab Emirates is India’s largest trading partner; through the UAE, India exports to Iran, Pakistan and Iraq. The UAE is the second biggest importer of Indian labour. But this is just a fraction of the potential. India must expand its relations with the entire Indian Ocean area lying between Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka, and every kind of relationship including trade in goods and services, labour and capital.

This strengthening must proceed in a number of directions. In trade, India should offer these countries a market. It must offer them unilateral free trade: it must abolish all restrictions on imports from these countries, irrespective of what they do. It must offer capital to them. To some extent, India’s emerging multinational corporations are already investing in these countries. But not enough; they are more focused on the markets, the skills and the technology of the West. And government grants and loans will not work. What India needs to do is to develop a large, diversified capital market, and to let its southern neighbours raise capital in it. And finally, it must develop a unified labour market. It must create an Anglophone educational system that would be accessible to all, and give all young people from southern countries free access to it. And if, after an Indian education, they want a job in India, it should let them work in India.

This last idea would raise many hackles; Hindutwits, for example, would go crazy at the thought of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis coming and working in India in millions. But they will not unless they are better than Indians; and if India befriends its neighbours to the south, millions of Indians will be working abroad. India cannot become a global power without becoming more cosmopolitan. It was cosmopolitan 400 years ago; any Persian, Turk or European could rise high in a court if he could speak and behave like a local nobleman. The 21st century gives India a chance of recreating its golden age — its many past golden ages, with a modern twist. We can continue to be parochial little-Indiamen; that would be just the way to miss the big opportunity of this millennium.
Yes we can and have it all. If the religious dogma collapses there are no problems to his ideas.

He was going good till he started blaming Hindus. Must be the Nehruvian/Pavlovian response.

Its the "Hindutwits" who have been keeping the faith and fort together.
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^Moron does not realize that Hindutwits have been, and continue to be, far more cosmopolitan than Christiantwits, Hantwits & Islamotwits have ever been. And have far less in gains to show for their cosmopolitanism.
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What a jackass!!! A completely unnecessary and an utterly idiotic twist to what would otherwise have been a reasonably good article.
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I think the fake secular bug suddenly manifests from the dormant brain and kills the whole process. Same thing happened with the Nehruvian project to create a post Indiependence syncretic Hinduism. What is left is the empty shell as new state religion: Fake Secularism.
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But he cannot show that the other empires he talks about could do so only by becoming "cosmopolitan"! The American empire, the British empire, the European empire, the Chinese empire "rose/are rising" simply by allowing "outsiders" to rise high in court? Show us examples oh brilliant mind!

Then again - he has a Freudian slip. He shows that it was no problem for a Persian, or a Turk, or an European to rise high in an Indian court (400 - that means he is dreaming Mughal grandeur - right?) - the first two are from Islam and the third is from Christianity. So for him cosmopolitanism means rise of people from such affiliations only. Now why did the Mughal empire collapse then if such cosmopolitanism was the sole cause of its rise!!
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I have to doubt if sri desai even wrote that tripe. Could be the editorial team's last minute editing only.
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brihaspati wrote:

Then again - he has a Freudian slip. He shows that it was no problem for a Persian, or a Turk, or an European to rise high in an Indian court (400 - that means he is dreaming Mughal grandeur - right?) - the first two are from Islam and the third is from Christianity. So for him cosmopolitanism means rise of people from such affiliations only. Now why did the Mughal empire collapse then if such cosmopolitanism was the sole cause of its rise!!
Nailed very well.

One cannot understand the logic of the fake secularists. In India, they insist that "India cannot become a global power without becoming more cosmopolitan" that is absorbing more of Abrahmic influences, while the same types of fake secularists insist that outside India " Indians cannot become global without becoming more cosmopolitan" that is absorbing more of Abrahmic influences yet again. Some what like, when in Rome do as Romans do, and in Delhi , invite the Romans and then do as Romans do.

DNA: Why we are the world’s worst bunch of kowtowers
The incident in Mississippi was startling: the Indian ambassador to the US, Meera Shankar, clad in a sari, was pulled out of the security line at an airport and subjected to a humiliating pat-down, apparently because of Transportation Safety Administration guidelines about ‘voluminous clothes’. This, despite the fact that the ambassador produced her diplomatic papers.
But worse, the Indian embassy tried to hush this incident up. It turns out this is not the first time it has happened to Meera Shankar. The embassy would have done nothing this time too if a local paper hadn’t carried shocked observations by the ambassador’s hosts, who felt she had been humiliated by the pat-down in full public view.
It appears, sadly, that the first instinct of Indian officialdom is to swallow insults and to, if possible, insist on not having any semblance of a backbone.
Consider that other countries do not ‘go gentle into that good night’, but they ‘rage, rage’.
But India, oh, that’s a different matter. There seems to be a built-in level of obsequiousness.

Perhaps it is because India has never explicitly stated what those national interests are. The late CK Prahalad once wrote an essay on ‘strategic intent’ — that is, a long-range plan with a stretch goal: difficult at the moment, but not impossible if one worked assiduously at it. It is now accepted in business circles that firms that do not have a ‘strategic intent’ are more likely to fail, because there’s nothing like a worthy goal to rally the troops.
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^^^Very very true. Because the high and mighty of India appear so diffident and all-tolerating, the petty officials at airport are usually quite shocked if they see resistance and anger from aam Indians. I used to have almost regular tiffs with LA airport staff. Hitting back with instant quips that sting like hell usually takes them by surprise - most of them are quite dim witted, and you could expose them that they were doing things out of prejudice.

This was a reason that I turned down offers there and chose another place. But even traveling within this region has brought in its fair share of arrogance much less than the USA though. On many occasions I have forced them to treat their own racial stock in similar ways - if "regulations" were cited. or even asked for explicit regulation books to be shown, and then proved that many others of their own skin more than satisfied the criteria.

Indians in general don't resist. GOI does not take the issue seriously and backs up. It shows the lack of self-respect that our leadership shows. Blasting someone's family off because that person has shown some resistance within India to a neta is perhaps not surprisingly the simultaneous other side of this same self-disrespecting coin. its more an animal law - bit the one which cannot fight back, lick the paws and hind quarters of those who can bite you.

added : My hats off to the lady - because in her own way she has persisted in sporting her dress in spite of the humiliatory treatment. I would have felt proud to have her as part of my family.
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An interesting factoid IMHO -

On 6 Dec, Digvijay Singh speaks at a function for the release of the book "26/11 - RSS ki Saazish" (http://indiannugget.blogspot.com/2010/1 ... mists.html).

On 10 Dec, a Wikileaks cable is released criticizing the Congress for its pandering (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Congress- ... 37106.aspx).

See also the post http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 55#p994955 about Wikileaks background.

What gives??
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The last bit of that article is ludicrous of course.

Persians , Turks and Europeans "rose" precisely because they had an unfair advantage.

And one day the Indians did get tired of it and won back their freedom.
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Pranav wrote:An interesting factoid IMHO -

On 6 Dec, Digvijay Singh speaks at a function for the release of the book "26/11 - RSS ki Saazish" (http://indiannugget.blogspot.com/2010/1 ... mists.html).

On 10 Dec, a Wikileaks cable is released criticizing the Congress for its pandering (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Congress- ... 37106.aspx).

See also the post http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 55#p994955 about Wikileaks background.

What gives??
One possible scenario that would piece this together -

1. Pakistani agents approach Digvijay Singh and tell him they have a foolproof way to deliver Muslim votes and undermine BJP.

2. Singh goes along because of the benefits. Pakistani agents bring in LeT to implement the plan, and tell Digvijay that amateur terrorists dressed up as Hindus would land up at Mumbai.

3. Singh calls up Karkare and tells him to go kill the terrorists who would soon be in Mumbai. Although Singh tells Karkare that the terrorists would be easy game, the Pakistani agents have doublecrossed Singh and sent a highly trained group instead of amateurs.

4. Terrorists commence attack, and Karkare is killed fighting the terrorists.

5. Singh's friends let loose all kinds of disinformation blaming RSS for the attacks, as planned earlier.

6. Unfortunately, the plan unravels when Kasab is taken alive.
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vera_k wrote:
Pranav wrote:An interesting factoid IMHO -

On 6 Dec, Digvijay Singh speaks at a function for the release of the book "26/11 - RSS ki Saazish" (http://indiannugget.blogspot.com/2010/1 ... mists.html).

On 10 Dec, a Wikileaks cable is released criticizing the Congress for its pandering (http://www.hindustantimes.com/Congress- ... 37106.aspx).

See also the post http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 55#p994955 about Wikileaks background.

What gives??
One possible scenario that would piece this together -
I was actually referring to the release of the wikileaks cable so soon after Digvijay attended the function. Add to that how Outlook magazine promoted the 2G tapes, and how it uncharacteristically carried the article by Madhu Kishwar slamming MMS. Also of interest is this uncharacteristic article in the Hindustan times: Modi Operandi by Ashok Malik - http://www.hindustantimes.com/Modi-oper ... 38428.aspx
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A youtube video being circulated in US companies by HR.

We need to ensure those 230m have the power to be themselves.

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Could post in the Chinese threat thread too....

From newsinsight.net
It's Tibet

China's irrational fears about India's democracy will fuel their strategic competition possibly leading to military confrontation, says N.V.Subramanian.

New Jersey, 17 December 2010: If you go beyond the headlines about Wen Jiabao's visit to India and the (not un-understandable) attempts of the Manmohan Singh government to give a positive spin to it, one thing is clear. China and India are set on a course of strategic competition which may or may not lead to military competition but would still remain unresolved. At bottom, totalitarian China is battling democratic rising India, and since India cannot make compromises with its democracy, India and China are destined for competition that might not get better without becoming worse.

The problem unfortunately lies all with China. Any objective commentator would reach that conclusion. Without totally subscribing to Lord Curzon's principle of buffer states, at least in this age of globalization, economic blocs, WMDs, and so forth, it is still possible to rue Tibet's annexation by China from an Indian standpoint. It removed Tibet as a buffer state between expansionist Middle Kingdom China and a status quo power like India.

The Indian foreign minister, S.M.Krishna, blundered by equating Tibet with Jammu and Kashmir in conversations with Wen. J and K of its own volition acceded to India after Pakistan state-backed invaders destroyed the sanctity of the Standstill Agreement. On the other hand, China overran Tibet causing the Dalai Lama to flee to India. As analyzed in earlier NewsInsight commentaries, that act of the Dalai Lama fleeing to India and his subsequent asylum in the country put India firmly in negative light with China. Further, the Indian decision to grant asylum to the Dalai Lama enduringly delegitimized the Chinese occupation of Tibet, and while the Chinese intuitively understood this, India did not.

At various times, India has sought to use the Dalai Lama as a bargaining lever, forgetting that he is an untradeable gem as a potential leader (it counts his successors too) of an independent buffer state of Tibet. Often in the geo-strategic commerce between nations, undervaluing a possession is worse than freely parting with it. Perhaps the biggest contribution of the Sino-Indian stalemate would be its role in spurring the Indian government to reassess the true value of Tibet for India apropos hegemonic China.

Maybe this reassessment is happening. For example, the reaction of the Tibetan government-in-exile about the Sino-Indian border issue at the conclusion of the Wen Jiabao visit was saturated with meaning. The exile government sought to insert itself into the dispute, going so far as to say that there was, in geo-sovereign reality, no China-India border but only an India-Tibet frontier. China had to settle issues with Tibet, implying thereby that there was no case in fact for any Sino-Indian border settlement.

It is tempting to suppose that the Tibetan government-in-exile's reiterated position was silently induced by New Delhi. China has this hilarious notion/ suspicion that everything that appears in the Indian media, including in this magazine, is managed by the Indian government, which anybody who knows a tiny amount about India would instantly disregard. Therefore, when this writer supposes a link between the latest Tibetan government-in-exile's position and inducements by New Delhi, it is a supposition. It is not based on inside information. It may be so and equally it may not be. But if it is not, it is an area for the Manmohan Singh government to consider.

The nub of the matter is that as a totalitarian state, China has more irrational fears regarding its unity than a democracy like India. China is perfectly rational in believing that democracy will undermine and terminate one-party CPC rule. If you go by the CPC definition of China as one including Xinjiang, Tibet and Taiwan, then it perhaps has valid fears that democracy will lead to downsizing. It certainly does not wish a repetition of the Soviet fate. But China is irrational in apprehending that somehow India is evangelical about its democracy in respect to it, deriving in the main from the asylum given to the Dalai Lama more than fifty years ago.

But China may become a victim of a self-fulfilling prophecy. By obsessing itself with Tibet in its relations with India, China may have triggered off a process whose end-state may indeed be an independent buffer state of Tibet. There is much that has gone awry in India's dealings with China, but one positive outcome of the Wen Jiabao visit is a conscious and determined attempt on the part of the Manmohan Singh government to address the trade imbalance that favours China. India cannot go down the slippery slope of America's gross indebtedness to China. China uses its vast and growing economic clout as a strategic weapon, and India has made welcome moves in a direction to protect itself.

The exhortation of this writer to the Indian government is not to view China in compartments but to see it as a composite strategic competitor and foe. A democracy like India may pull in different directions but not a totalitarian state like China. This is not to suggest absolute uniformity of opinion within the Chinese ruling hierarchy. At any given moment, the military will be extra nationalistic and corner the politicians and especially the moderates among them. Equally, the hard-line politicians will have no compunction in throttling the internationalists and accommodationists. Democracy as a system of government may be under questioning in various parts of the democratic world. But that does not diminish China's totalitarian insecurities vis-a-vis democracies like India. The relationship between China's present assertiveness and its growing internal vulnerabilities has not been adequately examined for this factor.

In sum, Wen Jiabao's visit to India has brought some insights, which the Indian government would be sensible to embrace. In this writer's view, Sino-Indian rivalry will not be resolved till China remains a totalitarian state, which could be so for the foreseeable future. By daring to attend the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony for the Chinese dissident, Liu Xiabo, disregarding Chinese pressure, India has burnished its democratic credentials. It is as significant as the granting of asylum to the Dalai Lama fifty-one years ago. India has to learn to bear the cross of democracy, and it is never too late to begin. With China, this will be as good as it gets.

N.V.Subramanian is Editor, http://www.NewsInsight.net, and writes internationally on strategic affairs. ....
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^ A nice summary and even nicer development/clarity in Indian strategic posture. May God bless all the kind souls who are steering the nation thru the troubled waters.
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X-posted...

Op-Ed by former Indian Ambasador to Kenya on IN operations and piracy

Horn of Africa: why India should care more
Our strategic community and official agencies should pay more attention to the conditions and power dynamics in the Horn of Africa because what happens in the region has a direct bearing on our security.

Africa has been of growing interest to India for political and economic reasons but does it have security implications for us? The answer is ‘yes,' especially as we focus on a particular sub-region, the Horn of Africa. A recent, distinguished visitor to India from the area — Hailemariam Desalegn, Deputy Prime Minister of Ethiopia — highlighted the wider implications of terrorism and piracy in the east African region. He even suggested that there should be “a naval blockade and no fly zone over Somalia.”

The immediate relevance of the threat posed by piracy has been underlined by the latest incident in which a Bangladeshi-flagged merchant ship, MV Jahan Moni, was hijacked by Somali pirates at a location barely 90 nautical miles from the Lakshadweep Islands.

The Horn of Africa comprises four countries — Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti and Somalia. As a quintessential microcosm of Africa, the area has seen it all: imperialism, neo-colonialism, Cold War, ethnic strife, intra-African conflict, poverty, disease, famine and much else. Without its recovery and progress, Africa's resurgence would never be complete. With the headquarters of African Union located in Addis Ababa, capital of Ethiopia, the continent's apex organisation gets a direct and unhindered view of what happens in its immediate vicinity.

The sub-region covers a wide spectrum from Ethiopia — an ancient civilisation and a nation that retained its independence (except for a short period) — to Somalia, the most failed state on the planet today. Eritrea and Djibouti, smaller neighbours located on the seashore, have had their own share of strife and strained relations with Ethiopia and Somalia respectively. Eritrea emerged as an independent state after a 30-year-long confrontation with Ethiopia, a development that turned the latter into a landlocked country. Djibouti, the erstwhile French Somaliland, has been a beacon of relative stability and prosperity, which has contributed to mediation and peace-making efforts in and outside the Horn of Africa.

Africa's Afghanistan

Somalia today is a mere geographical expression, not a united country. In the past decade, it has gone through 14 governments. In its northern part, three quasi-sovereign governments exist — Somaliland, Puntland and Galmudug. The southern part is controlled partly by the Transitional Federal Government, but its writ runs in parts of Mogadishu only. Outside, Islamic groups named the Union of Islamic Courts call the shots. The on-going armed conflict within the capital city reminds me of the years I spent in the civil war-torn Beirut. The South has become a veritable hub of Islamic fundamentalists and terrorist groups such as Al-Shabab having links with the al-Qaeda. The North has been the breeding ground of pirates who pose a serious threat to international shipping. Somalia may aptly be depicted as ‘Africa's Afghanistan.'

Somali pirates, operating in the waters off the Somali coast and in the Gulf of Aden through which passes a massive quantum of the world's goods and energy supplies, pose a grave danger. The trend now is for them to take their operations far out on the high seas. The number of attacks in 2008 was 111 and 217 in 2009. The year ending now has seen the problem grow. In a recent assessment, the Institute of Security Studies in Pretoria stressed that piracy has been growing “in frequency, range, aggression and severity at an alarming rate.” Pirates keep trying to harm international shipping, content to extract ransom, but their continuing operations and the potential of building links with international terrorist organisations cause widespread worry. The probability of a major, spectacular attack such as the sinking of an oil tanker cannot be ruled out.

Navy's magnificent work

In this context, the magnificent work the Indian Navy has been doing in the area since October 2008 deserves wider appreciation. Its warships patrol the Gulf of Aden and quietly provide escort and security assistance to not only Indian but also foreign merchant vessels. About 1,350 ships belonging to different countries have availed themselves of this facility so far. During the first fortnight of September 2010 alone, INS Delhi scored success on four separate occasions to foil attacks by pirates. In all, 22 piracy attempts have been averted by the Navy. It has discharged, as Navy Chief Admiral Nirmal Verma put it, “its responsibilities with distinction.”

It is worth noting that a considerable degree of consultation, coordination and cooperation in capacity building in anti-piracy operations has been taking place. However, there is a problem about what to do with the pirates apprehended on the high seas as Indian laws do not permit their prosecution by our courts. :?:

There are, of course, ships of several other countries, including the United States, European Union member-states, Russia, Australia, China and Japan. The growing presence of Chinese vessels demonstrates the country's reach as the emerging naval power. It also juxtaposes China's undue sensitivity about the presence of other Navies on the South China Sea. External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna observed recently: “China is taking more than normal interest in the Indian Ocean and we are monitoring it carefully.”

The world's Navies have been tackling the consequences and addressing the symptoms of the underlying malaise, which is the destruction of Somalia as a state and the resultant anarchy and absence of the rule of law. The United Nations has been helping in the process, both on the political and peacekeeping aspects. But 8,000 troops provided by Uganda and Burundi are considered to be inadequate for the task. On a recent visit to Somalia, Yoweri Museveni, President of Uganda, complained that the international community “did not take the Somali problem seriously enough.” Apparently, moves are afoot to increase the size of the troops to 12,000, whereas the African Union wants it to go up to 20,000 quickly.

‘Not sea bandits'

Other factors also explain the piracy phenomenon. Sugule Ali, a pirate leader, stated: “We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits to be those who illegally fish and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our area.” Objective analysts would agree that there is some merit in the argument, but this is hardly a justification for the continuing attacks. Piracy represents a serious challenge to international law and order. Therefore, international community must do more to resolve the fundamental issues, taking a holistic view. As experts have suggested, there is a need to deal with this problem “from the beach side, in concert with the ocean side.” Further, what is required is to craft much greater cooperation among the countries concerned than has been secured so far.

Our strategic community and official agencies too should pay more attention to the prevailing conditions and power dynamics in the Horn of Africa. The government would be well advised to become more active in examining and discussing the complex problem in-depth with the governments in Eastern Africa, the African Union and others concerned so as to be able to make a meaningful contribution to its resolution. The Navy can do only fire-fighting, but surely India is capable of striving more at the diplomatic and political levels. What happens in the region has a direct bearing on our security and well-being, and this is becoming clearer and more urgent by the day.

(The author served as India's High Commissioner to Kenya and South Africa.)
There is recent book called Pirate nation which gives a factual accountof Somalia.

My concern is if TSP'sIIS links up with them to off-shore their terror activities it would lead to more worries for India.
Further India has a direct role in solving this mess as part of IOR strategy. One cant have a peaceful Arabian Sea and East Africa with rampant piracy.
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ramana ji,
all chronicles give testimony to the fact that Indian ships no longer traded to the mouth of the Red Sea around the time the Islamists began to dominate the Arabian Sea. This was the period of superb prosperity and rampant trade from the west coast - a high point of secular and extra care taken by the Hindu kings of Gujarat to specially protect Muslim merchants and actively allow growth of Muslim communities. This is the same period when we hear increasing incidents of piracy in the western Arabian sea, and piracy is also used as an excuse by the caliphate to mount expeditions against Indian kingdoms.

Arabs as well as Persians and the Gulf lining communities became active in the piracy business, and the Indian merchants changed over to purely financial profiteering exactly at this stage.

I guess giving up naval control and dominance of the western sea coincides in Indian history with a matching hue and cry of "prosperity and growth" which is only threatened by "war mongerers" with simultaneous growth of piracy and its rather mysterious connection to periods of expansion of Islamism in the ME and Africa.

The standard switchover to appeasement of piracy/non-military/no-retribution seems very quick in merchant networks, who seem to be inclined towards believing that their profit margins could be threatened if they not appease. The Buddhist merchant community controlling the city of Nerun on the route from the Gulf to Debal in Sindh under Qasims's campaign - readily agreed to provisions and replenish Qasims's army. [Only cities of Buddhist oligarchs - described as living it rich with slaves, expensive clothes, wives etc appear in the chronicles as eager to help Qasim - which has been extended by Indian historians as a general support from the population - in contradiction to indications of Buddhist travellers like Hieuen Tsangabout the state of buddhism in the area]
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India to get access to GLONASS
India and Russia on Tuesday signed an agreement to share high-precision signals from the Global Navigation Satellite System (GLONASS) for defence as well as civilian use. The agreement was signed on the sidelines of the Russian President Dmitry Medvedev's Indian visit.

As per the agreement, Russia will provide access to the GLONASS high-precision navigation signals to India. Russia currently has a total of 26 GLONASS satellites in orbit, of which 23 are operational.
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Subramanium Swamys video on Rahul Gandhi & Maino Sisters ISI links. This is worrisome

http://videos.sify.com/CBI-should-inves ... ejddg.html
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all chronicles give testimony to the fact that Indian ships no longer traded to the mouth of the Red Sea around the time the Islamists began to dominate the Arabian Sea. This was the period of superb prosperity and rampant trade from the west coast - a high point of secular and extra care taken by the Hindu kings of Gujarat to specially protect Muslim merchants and actively allow growth of Muslim communities. This is the same period when we hear increasing incidents of piracy in the western Arabian sea, and piracy is also used as an excuse by the caliphate to mount expeditions against Indian kingdoms.

Arabs as well as Persians and the Gulf lining communities became active in the piracy business, and the Indian merchants changed over to purely financial profiteering exactly at this stage.

I guess giving up naval control and dominance of the western sea coincides in Indian history with a matching hue and cry of "prosperity and growth" which is only threatened by "war mongerers" with simultaneous growth of piracy and its rather mysterious connection to periods of expansion of Islamism in the ME and Africa.
We discussed in the Islamism thread years ago. It was speculated that the pabandi on sea travel for Hindus coincided with the rise of domination islamic trade along Indian sea routes. We gave up control of the routes to the Arab traders and they took over these routes and went on to islamize SE Asia. A self goal for Indian interests if any.
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one way to make BJP centrist is to create a new right wing party or make Shiv Sena more appealing to rest of the country atleast in Maharashtra's neighboring states: Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Chattisgarh, Karnataka, and Andhra Pradesh.
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ramana wrote:one way to make BJP centrist is to create a new right wing party ormake Shiv Sena more appealing to rest of the country atleast in Maharashtra's neighboring states: Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Chattisgarh, Karnataka, and Andhra Pradesh.

That's actually a great idea!!
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Sanku wrote:
ramana wrote:one way to make BJP centrist is to create a new right wing party ormake Shiv Sena more appealing to rest of the country atleast in Maharashtra's neighboring states: Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Chattisgarh, Karnataka, and Andhra Pradesh.

That's actually a great idea!!
When the BJP-Shiv Sena government was in power in Maharashtra in 1994- 99, i had reached the same conclusion as you and Ramana. However, after losing the state, the Shiv Sena has lost power. A party in power can extend its reach with the help of its ally. But, out of power, there is little hope for this happening. In December 2007, the Shiv Sena was asking the BJP for 5-6 winning seats in Gujarat. However, on being provided none, it contested and lost 40 seats. The state and central leaders of any party would not want its ally to erode its votebank, so what BJP did was a clear case of saving one's "strong" states. Similarly Madhya Pradesh ( infighting between Sushma and Shivraj), Chattisgarh ( no "space" for similar party), Karnataka ( no chance of Reddy + Yeddy +Ananth ceding any space + Belgaum border issue) are out of bounds for Shiv Sena.

Any bargaining space in a coalition can only be earned and not ceded by the ally. Also, The BJP -Shiv Sena alliance may just break in Maharashtra and it could be the best thing to happen as both need a break from each other. Any later development or coalition will drive the two together without any problems.

In fact the one situation tailor made for the Shiv Sena is Andhra Pradesh. Also, parties like the Shiv Sena (even BJP) need a single dominant electoral issue to win the elections. The Shiv Sena has anyway called for a single, united Andhra Pradesh. It can pitch itself right in the middle of the polarised belt across the region that constitutes Telangana. Now, the Majlis-Ittehadul Muslimeen MIM is hoping to keep its control on Hyderabad and is asking for united Andhra Pradesh. So, the Shiv Sena has to be clear on keeping Andhra united BUT differentiate itself from the MIM. A single-issue election in the near future should be a decider. (Correct, Muppalla ?) Now, who would tell this to the Shiv Sena who cannot look beyond the 20 k crore Mumbai municipal elections?
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I agree, Shiv Sena can and should act as a van for BJP in Andhra.

It can also target, "hard to crack" places for BJP in Ktaka/Kerala let them hand over "problem spots" where they are not going to win anyway and let Shiv Sena prove itself with a "hard-line" approach.

Something like Varun Gandhi, but this time not from a dynastic pocket borough.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05547.html
For India, top-level engagement with world
NEW DELHI - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has closed a remarkable chapter in Indian diplomacy in which five of the world's most powerful leaders have flocked in quick succession to New Delhi, seeking new business and closer political alignment. The leaders of Britain, the United States, France and China preceded Medvedev's arrival Tuesday with acknowledgments of India's growing global stature and strong bids to take advantage of its booming economy. Accompanied by large business delegations, they have struck deals to supply India with energy and military equipment. They have also sought ways to more fully integrate Asia's third-largest economy into the world economy and have promoted India's role in the governance of the global financial system. The succession of visitors also addressed India's concerns about security in South Asia and the threats of extremism and terrorism emanating from Pakistan and Afghanistan. The top-level bilateral engagement was spearheaded by Singh, who enjoys a high international standing as a statesman and a development economist. His reception of world leaders has left him looking more assured in the face of a raft of domestic graft scandals that have paralyzed Parliament and threatened to tarnish his clean image. The opposition has been in an uproar over the alleged mishandling of telecommunications licenses that an official audit claimed had cost $39 billion in potential state revenue.
"It's a shame that when India is doing so well in the world, we have this crisis at home," one top Indian diplomat said.
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Our corroding republic By Jerry rao
In engineering-obsessed contemporary India, studying history is not fashionable. The worlds of politics, social change and cultural movements do not respond predictably like engineering systems where an input-output (the infamous I/O) matrix works. History simply does not repeat itself in an identical manner as machines and computers do in controlled environments. But historical insight can and does help individuals as well as collective groups like nation-states to respond as intelligently and as sensitively as possible. Arnold Toynbee argued that all societies face challenges - environmental, technological, etc. These challenges are sometimes internal to the society concerned and sometimes arise from external shocks. The central theme of the study of history according to him, is to understand why some responses to these challenges are creative, productive and in the path of progress. Other responses are sterile, destructive and regressive, leading to the collapse and subjugation of the societies concerned.
Think of France in the early 1900s. Monsieur Eiffel had built his tower — an expression of the power of the French Republic inspiring awe among spectators; the Paris exhibition was a great success; verily Paris was the centre of the world! Think of India today with its 9 per cent growth rate, with its fawning visitors (the presidents of the US and France, the prime minister of Britain, the Supreme Leader of China among others), the immense concrete structures for the Commonwealth Games — the analogy is not exact, but methinks there is a parallel. And all the time, there was something rotten in the State of France as there is in the State of India. The Dreyfus scandal tore apart French society and left it weak and unready to respond to the German guns of August 1914. But for the help of its allies, France would have collapsed as it did in 1940. The current set of scandals: IPL, Adarsh, Commonwealth Games, illegal mining, sweetheart deals in land, the colossal spectrum scam, the bitter correspondence among judges, the nauseating and titillating telephone tapping affair (can we call it l’affaire Radia as a tribute to l’affaire Dreyfus?) — all put together are tearing our society apart. And it could leave us with wounds from which we may not be able to recover. I for one, do not think the disease is limited to politicians who we like to deride all the time. The failure is collective. Judges seem to have strange lapses of memory; army generals are stealing from the widows of their own soldiers; journalists are cringing in shame; our investigating agencies are mocking all of us by going after horses that have bolted long ago from the stable; our business leaders are tarnished in more ways than one; our politicians are determined to pursue venal short-term interests even at the cost of sapping the foundations of our state. We are all ghoulishly enjoying the prospect of fresh and exciting headlines each day little realising that our Republic is in peril. In the spring of 1914,even as France hurtled into World War I, the entire focus of the French public was on the shenanigans of a minister who was torn between an angry wife and a petulant mistress. The parallel is ominous
If we are to save ourselves from the consequences of our self-inflicted indulgence in masochism, we need humility (admission of transgressions for instance), speedy resolution of issues (so that the cancers do not grow), sobriety (an understanding that fixing one’s political or business opponents is less important than saving the edifice of the nation) — and if we collectively cannot summon up these qualities from our inner recesses, then I am afraid we are living in the Last Days of the First Republic of India. One shudders at the future prospects of anarchy that such an eventuality can lead to.
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Posted this in off-topic thread. Looks like it has more echo in this thread
RamaY wrote:Finally I went thru the wiki-leaks thread. Here are my thoughts on RG's hindu-terror comment.

RG's comment/concern about Hindu- terror is a bait. BJP cannot take that bait as BJP doesn't want to be seen as a Hindu (only) party as it will push the christian and muslim voters into permanent opposition (I do not believe a general christian or muslim will vote secular as long as there is a christian or muslim party; of course exceptions apply and that will not be more than 5% of these communities).

What one should do instead is to start a Hindu party and focus 100% on 20-30 parliament constituencies (They do exist IMO).

This will push BJP in to center right which will push INC further left.

This Hindu party should always align with ruling administration getting at least 2-3 ministries and converting one constituency at a time.
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Congress again playing with fire ,it will burn their hand again just like in past. Instead shallow digging to plant the new "seed" of Congress. Diggyraja is digging deep grave for Congress's eventual burial. Repeated trips to Atankgarh in UP have me suspecting that true to their nature PS Congress have created certain groups to discredit their Indian opponents. If true then Bhindrawala, LTTE redux will have its own momentum and they will end up with grief only. Lets hope they understand and not make Gambini family values take over Gandhi name.
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The Rai-Tilak-Pal trio is an interesting metaphor. Let us decide this as a historical puzzle - for in the process we can get a good insight into the immediate future, say the next 10 years tactics.

Was the gradual strengthening of the Islamo-phile/psec faction within the Congress because of the noncompromisers staying on within the Congress and not pooling their resources to seriously develop an alternative or because they frittered away their energies into building new parties without serious resources [perhaps even sufficiently distinct ideological platform to bring in new forces?] like Swarajya or Rai's party?

There is good deal of experience available from the way Lenin's splitting the nascent Russian social democrats actually led to a successful (initially minority) Bolshevik seizure of power, while splits otherwise in other situations have led to failure.
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^ :mrgreen:

I typed but did not post this comment this morning!

Perhaps nationalists should join INC and act line mirror-DGs.
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