Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

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Postby JE Menon » 14 Dec 2010 18:50

Jagan, could the paks get into that file and edit it?

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Postby shravan » 14 Dec 2010 19:03

Delhi hospital admits treating Pakistani suicide attacker
http://www.sify.com/news/delhi-hospital ... jaide.html

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Jagan » 14 Dec 2010 20:23

Jem, no edit rights on it.... plus one can save a local copy using File> Download As> etc.. so work on them at your own liesure..

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby symontk » 14 Dec 2010 20:24

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_major_terrorist_incidents_in_India

These were the terrorist incidents in India for 2007 of which court bombings comes close

18 February 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings 68
May 18, 2007 At least 13 people were killed, including 4 killed by the Indian police in the rioting that followed, in the bombing at Mecca Masjid, Hyderabad that took place during the Friday prayers 13
August 25, 2007 Two blasts in Hyderabad's Lumbini park and a restaurant 42
October 11, 2007 One blast at a shrine of a Sufi Muslim saint in the town of Ajmer[13] 3
October 14, 2007 One blast in a movie theater in the town of Ludhiana on the Muslim holy day of Eid ul-Fitr[14] 6
November 24, 2007 A series of near-simultaneous explosions at courthouse complexes in the cities of Lucknow, Varanasi, and Faizabad[15] 16

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Postby Lalmohan » 14 Dec 2010 20:37

could a shock wave induced organ failure be diagnosed as nephro/necro-prophylactic-thingy failure death?

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Postby Surya » 14 Dec 2010 20:39

symont

I already checked it - he died on Nov 16

so the major one is Hyderabad

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Postby symontk » 14 Dec 2010 20:44

Oh sorry I didnt notice the date

how long you will survive with a serious wound, injuries & burns and importantly without treatment for some days?

Either this is a incident within a month of his death or a unknown failed attempt

I bet on Ludhiana attempt if nothing else since its a near by place too

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Postby Surya » 14 Dec 2010 20:54

how long you will survive with a serious wound, injuries & burns and importantly without treatment for some days?


thats a question for doc


In my post above I do have the cinema blast.

but Lumbini park sits out as more they would risk an agent like this rather than some cinema

Someone needs to get the details from the hospital on this patient

what depresses me is that eerily like LTTE terrorists being treated in Madras in the same hospitals as IPKF, we are seeing ISI terrorists getting treatment. (assuming he was not brought in by authorities )

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Hiten » 14 Dec 2010 21:12

The original site ain't opening up any more, but Google retains a cache of the original page

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a

Likely to be removed once spider finds finds it no longer exists in its next crawl

screenshot of the pol-kholing page and his photo

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3733/z ... stanar.jpg
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3733 ... stanar.jpg

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby symontk » 14 Dec 2010 21:19

The bomber is a soldier so could be Hyderabad since it was a independence day. Also it was planned to big, he had placed bombs aorund 20 places and was he injured from one of them. No timers recovered so could be remote. Since he was injured he couldnt trigger the other ones?

But how he travelled from hyderabad to delhi without being noticed?

timer part is wrong, timer is recovered as reported in another link

They said a digital watch was used to trigger the blasts and a cell phone detonator was kept as a second line mechanism in case the first one failed.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/aug/26hydblast8.htm

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Postby Surya » 14 Dec 2010 21:26

symontk

seems so - the complexity of it (Lumbini Pk) alsopoints to this mofo

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Lalmohan » 14 Dec 2010 21:31

maybe he was picked up and held for questioning post injury

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby sum » 14 Dec 2010 21:33

If he has landed up in Delhi after being seriously injured in South India, the most probable way for that would be central agencies picking him up( maybe extracting the juice from him) and then admitting him to the sarkari Gangaram hospital..

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Jagan » 14 Dec 2010 22:38

Being a Brigadier or a Major General should now count as Hazard Duty . 12 General Ranking Officers in various incidents in the last five years. Pretty high for an army half the size of India. I am sure some of the crash victims can be attributed to COIN Ops..

PA 19522 BRIG Farhat Sabir Arty AIR CRASH 2006-07-10 NEAR SURAJ MIANI MULTAN EMBRACED SHAHADAT DUE TO PLANE CRASH
PA 20726 BRIG Aftab Ahmed AC AIR CRASH 2006-07-10 NEAR SURAJ MIANI MULTAN EMBRACED SHAHADAT DUE TO PLANE CRASH
PA 21804 BRIG Zahoor Ahmad Engrs AIR CRASH 2007-10-08 MAJOHI (MUZAFFARABAD) DIED DUE TO HEL CRASH
PA 17635 MAJ GEN Javed Sultan Khan Punjab AIR CRASH S BT,SI (CIV) HQ 9 DIV 2008-02-06 NEAR DARGAI EMBRASED SHAHADAT DEU TO HEL CRASH
PA 21891 BRIG Saeed Ahmed AK Al Mizan 2008-02-06 NEAR DARGAI DIED DUE TO HEL CRASH
PA 23754 BRIG Muhammad Afzal Cheema Punjab AIR CRASH 2008-02-07 NEAR DARGAI EMBRACED SHAHADAT DUE TO HELI CRASH
PA 101105 LT GEN Mushtaq Ahmed AMC SUICIDE HI (M) AG'S BRANCH 2008-02-25 GPO CHOWK RAWALPINDI EMBRACED SHAHADAT DUE TO SUICIDE ATK
PA 21062 BRIG Anwar Ul Haq Arty IS DUTY GHQ 2009-10-10 GHQ RWP EMBRACED SHAHADAT AT GHQ DUE TO TEERORIST ATTACKS
PA 21356 BRIG Moin Ud Din Ahmad Sind IS DUTY 2009-10-22 ISLAMABAD EMBRACED SHAHADAT DUE TO TERRORIST MISCRRONT FIRE
PA 116765 BRIG Abdul Rauf AMC SUICIDE ATTK 2009-12-04 PARADE LINE EMBRACED SHAHADAT DUE TO TERRORIST ATTK ON PARADE LINE MASJID
PA 16264 MAJ GEN Bilal Omer Khan AC SUICIDE ATTK S BT GHQ 2009-12-04 PARADE LANE MOSQUE (NEAR QASIM MARKET) EMBRACED SHAHADAT DUE TO TERRORIST ATTK
PA 25287 BRIG Syed Hussain Abbas Shah Punjab Al Mizan S BT 2010-02-10 NANGROSO EMBRACED SHAHADAT DUE TO TERRORIST ATTK

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby pgbhat » 14 Dec 2010 23:13

PA 21062 BRIG Anwar Ul Haq Arty IS DUTY GHQ 2009-10-10 GHQ RWP EMBRACED SHAHADAT AT GHQ DUE TO TEERORIST ATTACKS
PA 21356 BRIG Moin Ud Din Ahmad Sind IS DUTY 2009-10-22 ISLAMABAD EMBRACED SHAHADAT DUE TO TERRORIST MISCRRONT FIRE
PA 116765 BRIG Abdul Rauf AMC SUICIDE ATTK 2009-12-04 PARADE LINE EMBRACED SHAHADAT DUE TO TERRORIST ATTK ON PARADE LINE MASJID
PA 16264 MAJ GEN Bilal Omer Khan AC SUICIDE ATTK S BT GHQ 2009-12-04 PARADE LANE MOSQUE (NEAR QASIM MARKET) EMBRACED SHAHADAT DUE TO TERRORIST ATTK

Paah 4 mid level jernails in 2 months. :shock:

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby suryag » 15 Dec 2010 05:50

If he has landed up in Delhi after being seriously injured in South India, the most probable way for that would be central agencies picking him up( maybe extracting the juice from him) and then admitting him to the sarkari Gangaram hospital..


Is there any probe somewhere ? Somehow a sensational thing like this is not getting the traction that it deserves

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Jagan » 15 Dec 2010 06:28

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Delhi ... ite/724958

Curiouser and Curiouser - Pak Embassy picked up the costs!

Delhi hospital confirms ISI agent’s death, details vanish from Pak site
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Posted: Wed Dec 15 2010, 04:15 hrs

A day after The Indian Express reported on the entry on the Pakistan Army website about the “martyrdom” in Delhi of an ISI agent on a “Suicide Attack” operation, top sources in the capital’s Sir Ganga Ram Hospital confirmed that the death did indeed occur.

The ISI operative, Naik Zulfiqar Ahmed of the HQ 30 Corps, was referred to the hospital by the Pakistan High Commission, which also paid his medical bills, the sources said.

He was admitted in the hospital’s nephrology department on November 1, 2007, and died “after fifteen days, most probably from kidney-related problems”, a source said. No foul play was suspected, he added.

According to information put up on the Pakistan Army website’s Shuhada’s (Martyrs’) Corner, Ahmed, from Bhimber in PoK, died on November 16, 2007 at “Ganga Ram Hosp N/Delhi”. The “Cause of Shahadat” was “Neptrrotic Syndrome/ARI” (a reference to nephrotic syndrome and acute respiratory infection).

Sir Ganga Ram Hospital is empanelled with the Pakistan High Commission, and “Zulfiqar came as one of the beneficiaries,” said a hospital source. It is not clear who claimed the body, or whether last rites were performed in India.

When contacted by The Indian Express, Shah Zaman Khan, Minister (Press) at the Pakistan High Commission, said they were ascertaining all facts. “I am to get information on the issue,” Khan said.


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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Surya » 15 Dec 2010 06:31

someone mentioned pain on the other side of the border

wonder if there is going to be pain this side of the border too :)

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Jagan » 15 Dec 2010 06:31

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pak-a ... ../724955/

Pak Army site goes offline, comes back without ISI man’s details
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Posted: Wed Dec 15 2010, 04:12 hrs

The official website of the Pakistan Army(http://www.pakistanarmy.gov.pk) remained offline for most of Tuesday, with a one-line announcement blaming “technical reasons” across the blank white screen. When it came back online in the evening, the site was slow, and the record of Zulfiqar Ahmed was missing from the database of ‘martyrs’. Also missing from the database at the Shuhada’s Corner were the names and ‘martyrdom’ details of all soldiers whose unit had been earlier listed as ‘ISI’. While researching the story on Ahmed on Monday evening, The Indian Express had found 25 ISI men in the database of dead soldiers. Till late Tuesday evening, there had been no official reaction from Pakistan.


BTW Manu Pubby says thanks to the BRFites (Pushkar thats you) who dug up the story... take a bow..

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Surya » 15 Dec 2010 06:45

Jagan

Please thank Manu also

I believe he first spotted the site and BRF then went after it like wolves :)

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby suryag » 15 Dec 2010 06:47

Great work Pushkar ji, yours is 2010 standout achievement from BRF stables.

Thanks to Manu ji too
PTI somewhere said it got it from a screen grab, so we should keep all screen grabs safe

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Pratyush » 15 Dec 2010 09:33

Surya wrote:someone mentioned pain on the other side of the border

wonder if there is going to be pain this side of the border too :)


Mostly inside the home ministry as the hindu terrror falls flat on its face.

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Pratyush » 15 Dec 2010 09:36

I nominate Pushkar for the BRulitzer prize for outstanding work with the Paki KIAs

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby shiv » 15 Dec 2010 09:43

Can I download the original data base from somewhere now?

I have of course already preserved for posterity the record of the Paki army terrorist who died in India.

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Kanson » 15 Dec 2010 10:25

Pranam Puskhar, but where is the attribution of this finding to BR? It is not mentioned anywhere, i guess.

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Postby Jagan » 15 Dec 2010 17:01

shiv wrote:Can I download the original data base from somewhere now?

I have of course already preserved for posterity the record of the Paki army terrorist who died in India.


Shiv

viewtopic.php?p=994193#p994193

Link available in above post

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Jagan » 16 Dec 2010 21:21

Mandeep Bajwa's Analysis on OrBat.com

Pakistan soldier who died in Delhi: from Mandeep Singh Bajwa

An uproar has broken out in India over the discovery of the profile and details of a Naik (Corporal) of the Engineers in the Shuhada (Martyrs) section of the official Pakistan Army website. The operation he was apparently involved in is described as 'Suicide Attack' and the place of death is disclosed as New Delhi, India.

This has led to charges that the Pakistan Army admits that it sends suicide bombers into India to target innocent civilians as well as vital installations. A little investigation reveals that the NCO was admitted by the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi to the Sir Ganga Ram Hospital where he died of renal failure. Zulfikar Ahmed was apparently seconded to the ISI (which the website entry reveals) and posted to its New Delhi Station. I don't think the ISI would take the risk of allowing one of its regular, serving personnel to be personally involved in a suicide attack except in a supporting role. After all any post-attack investigation could've revealed his true identity leading to grave embarrassment for Pakistan. Most probably he was involved in either making bombs, suicide vests or as an instructor in bomb-making to the many surrogate Pakistani terror outfits operating in India. This much can be deduced from his background as an NCO from the Engineers. All countries have intelligence personnel posted under diplomatic cover in their missions abroad.

This is probably the first time that a country has admitted that it posts saboteurs, suicide bombers or bomb-making instructors in one of its embassies. What this episode reveals is the malevolence with which the ISI and the Pakistan Army conducts its long-standing operations against the Indian State. Immediately after the story broke in the Indian media, the Pakistan Army website was off the Net apparently for technical reasons. It came back up after a few hours with the names of all 25 ISI personnel earlier listed as martyrs omitted. ISPR and GHQ have not responded as yet to any query on the controversy. Coupled with the earlier incident where hoax WikiLeaks cables were apparently posted on the Internet by what is alleged to be an ISI propaganda front, this incident has caused a great deal of embarrassment for Pakistan's civilian Government. The military of course couldn't care less.


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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Mandeep » 17 Dec 2010 00:06

Innocuous sounding explanation for Zulfikar Ahmed's profile by the voice of the ISI, http://ahmedquraishi.com. An erring data entry operator did it ! Too pat by half. Along with the usual loony rants and raves about India, the Indian Army, General VK Singh, etc. Not to be taken seriously at all. The Pakistanis have been caught with their pants down this time !

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Jagan » 17 Dec 2010 18:09

Thanks Mandeep .. Like the bit about the "Junior Intelligence Officer" ... :mrgreen:

Seriously it took them three days to get back on this? And why pull the record and other ISI entries if its just a mistake..

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Postby niran » 17 Dec 2010 18:16

Lalmohan wrote:could a shock wave induced organ failure be diagnosed as nephro/necro-prophylactic-thingy failure death?

yes, Post Traumatic necrosis onlee remove the "Post Traumatic"

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby ramana » 17 Dec 2010 23:22

Mandeep,
I agree that this guy was a support function to the TSP terrorist groups in India. I also think he was a bombmaker going by his sapper background. I also think we are going on wrong trail thinking he suffered from his ailment while on a mission. His whole posting in Delhi Embassy was his mission. Now taking these conclusions into account I would submit that his field of operations was Varanasi where there was blast exactly a week(Nov 24) after his demise(Nov 16).

I also think its his pupils who conducted the Dec 7th, 2010 Varanasi blast for in my view its a sapper type bomb(demolition) and not a terrorist type bomb(shrapnel, nails etc).

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby ramana » 17 Dec 2010 23:23

Niran what are the causes of kidney failure. It could be excess daru/sharu right?

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Jagan » 18 Dec 2010 00:12

Meanwhile the Pakistani High Commission is still tip-toeing around the reports.. note it does not confirm even now that Zulfiqar Ahmed was on the embassy staff. They vaguely state that "the possibility of Ahmed being an employee of the High Commission could not be ruled out"..


http://www.indianexpress.com/news/No-of ... ion/725857

No official involved in ‘objectionable activities’, claims Pak High Commission

In the first official reaction on the Pakistan Army website about an ISI agent having attained ‘martyrdom’ in operation ‘suicide attack’ in Delhi in 2007, Pakistan has said that reports about the involvement of a Pakistan High Commission official in ‘objectionable activities’ are baseless. The High Commission issued a short statement on the issue on Thursday without elaborating the circumstances leading to the entry in the Pakistani Army website. “Some recent reports in the Indian media alleging the involvement of an official of Pakistan High Commission in objectionable activities in India are baseless and totally contrary to the facts. The Pakistan High Commission rejects these reports in unequivocal terms,” it read. The statement comes after The Indian Express reported on Tuesday that the official Pakistan Army website put up an entry on its Shuhada’s (Martyrs’) Corner about Zulfikar Ahmed, an ISI soldier from Bhimber in PoK who died on November 16, 2007 at “Ganga Ram Hosp N/Delhi” while on operation “Suicide Attack”. The “Cause of Shahadat” was “Neptrrotic Syndrome/ARI” (a reference to nephrotic syndrome and acute respiratory infection).When pressed further, officials from the Pakistan High Commission said that the possibility of Ahmed being an employee of the High Commission could not be ruled out. It may be noted that no media reports talked about an official of the Pakistan High Commission being involved in ‘objectionable activities’ but were on a soldier listed as an ISI agent whose death had been recorded in Delhi. Pakistan officials, however, insisted that no record about an operative on a suicide attack in Delhi was put up on the army website. As reported, the record of the ISI agent was pulled off from the official website of the Pakistan Army (http://www.pakistanarmy.gov.pk ) on Tuesday, along with all records of soldiers whose unit had been listed as ‘ISI’.




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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby vivek_ahuja » 18 Dec 2010 06:12

Jagan wrote:Meanwhile the Pakistani High Commission is still tip-toeing around the reports.. note it does not confirm even now that Zulfiqar Ahmed was on the embassy staff. They vaguely state that "the possibility of Ahmed being an employee of the High Commission could not be ruled out"..


Note that they do not even mention their website at all in their statement. The refer to the event as "Indian Media" Reports.

Soon they are going to start saying that it was an Indian plant on their website (if they ever admit the website as the source of the incident at all!). I wouldn't put it beyond their abilities to say that we hacked their website to put that stuff up there.

But in doing what they have done to suppress the news rather than clarify it, they have made it themselves look very guilty to any person of any intelligence, I would think...

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby Jagan » 28 Jan 2011 19:48

Something to prove our theory that the pak army list is not complete.

I was reading this blog post on Maj Amin's Blog
http://indopakmilitaryhistory.blogspot. ... l-war.html

Scroll down to this picture
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8bEdZGbBsg0/S ... +point.jpg
Major Kashif Khalil of 17 Sindh, died August 1999, Awarded the Sitara-e-Juraat


and his name is not there in the kargil list of killed, or anywhere else either..

if an Officer's name could be left out, imagine how many other poor sods were left out..

if anyone can locate him, give me a shout out.

Incidentally the Shuahda Corner portion of the pak army lists only 11 names in all - the NH awardees. I guess the section is gone for good.

Khalil's citation can be found at http://www.hadeedian.com/kashif.html

Citation of PA-33169 Major Kashif Khalil, SJ

Major Kashif Khalil, SJ passed out in April 1994, with 89 PMA Long Course and joined 17 Sind Regiment. Besides serving in his parent
unit he has served as GSO-III (1) in HQ 88 Brigade Gujranwala, has been a platoon commander (Instructor Class 'C') and Adjutant
(Instructor Class 'B') in PMA and has also represented Pakistan in UNAMSIL (United Nations Mission in Sierra Leone). The officer is a
graduate of Command and Staff College Quetta, has been a Brigade Major in Headquater 10 Brigade Sialkot Cantonment and is presently
serving in 17 Sind Regiment.

The officer while serving in 12 Northern Light Infantry Battalion in 1999 had the opportunity of participating in Operation Koh-e-Pema where
besides establishing two posts he played a pivotal role in defence of a very sensitive sector against a forceful enemy attack inflicting heavy
casualty on to the enemy. On 7 July, once one of the platoon's locality was seriously threatened, the officer volunteered himself to lead the
counter attack. Because of his audacity and courage, the counter attack by only 20 persons was not only successful but the enemy was totally
evicted out of the area. However, during this process the officer himself got injured by the enemy fire. Because of his valour, demonstrated
grit and determination at the peril of his life, the officer was awarded "SITARA-I-JURAT."

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Re: Pakistan Army List of Killed and its Revelations.

Postby Aditya G » 08 Jun 2017 02:11

A slightly truncated, but updated list on ISPR website:

https://www.ispr.gov.pk/Shahuda%20List.pdf

It is updated till 2011, unlike the original one which was till 2010.

Googling around find some PDFs on scribd:

https://www.scribd.com/document/2444030 ... e-Area-BDA

https://www.scribd.com/doc/244404143/Pa ... in-Glacier

https://www.scribd.com/doc/244390977/Pa ... Kargil-War


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