Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

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ShivaS wrote:what judicial mill if Kasab and guru like people get 5 Star treatment you think Ms. Randia will be jailed. She did not even bother to apply for anticipatory bail indicates she is untouchable unless you pay up ofcourse...
Applying for anticipatory bail will come in due course once the Courts start treating this llike a criminal case. ATM it is not taking place.

Until then its all show.

Saab Maya hai.
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I think those tape leaks were also a smokescreen to make Raja and Niira Radia the public figure of 2G scams. It is a very cleverly made strategy to shape the public opinion.

In the eyes of the public media was anyways awash so it was fair target and now Raja and Niira Radia will go through the motions and the central government will be absolved. The determination to not institute a JPC is also along those lines. These CBI raids and excitement will last till the Budget session and the moment the war of perception is won the UPA government will ease the pressure and allow these individuals off.

Raja will not be prosecuted as he will spill the beans so after dance and song for 2 years he will be let off with lack of evidence. Case closed. The opposition has only one instrument in its hand the JPC or a direct intervention with large public uproar, but the public perception is being taken care off by these meaningless raids which dont have any particular value. Till these people will move ahead to prosecute Raja and Question the cabinet nothing will come out.
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Muppalla wrote:(1) Supreme Court - Judicial activism is back again after the most corrupt CJ retired.
CjI Khare and Cji Anand were the most corrupt CjI, not Balakrishnan. Also existing CjI is a known Tata-agent.

Also judicial activism only means - " we judges also want cut in bribes" and nothing more. Most judges are as corrupt and shameless creatures as Ministers.
Pratyush wrote:She can still be arrested and put through the judicial meat grinder. If the GOI has the will to do so.
But is there an iota of will in judges? CjI Khare had given bail to two convicted pedophiles and enabled them to flee out of India for a bribe of Rs 15 cr (as per rumors in Supreme Court lawyers). Just look at Satyam's CEO who is officially getting 5 star facilities in prison, because a judge ordered so. Such judges have no capacity to stand against international pressure coming from MNCs, and most judges have their lawyers in MNC panels and making crores of rupees. Otherwise, why didnt SC-Cj Kapadia direct CBI to arrest Radia and lock her up in Tihad, and throw away keys in a well?
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Now the Rice export scam... "nothing to Hide" Mataji should change the UPA to UPS ...."Undergoing Progressive Scam"

UPA 1 scam back to haunt UPA 2: CBI to probe PSU ‘fraud’ in Africa rice exports
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n the season of scams, list another one: the Central Bureau of Investigation has been asked to probe allegations of corruption and fraud in the “humanitarian” export of non-basmati rice to African countries between 2007 and 2009. In the firing line are PSUs who allegedly bent norms to allow private exporters to make a killing.
For example, rice was exported to Ghana by one of the private firms for $684 per tonne while the domestic purchase price was only $261 per tonne. So the total margin for the private firm was $423 per tonne while the PSU showed a “trade margin” of only $11 per tonne. The private supplier earned $412 per tonne.

Interestingly, the nomination of the Indian supplier was made by the Government of Ghana even before the EGoM decided to lift the export ban.

The inquiry has revealed how instead of being nodal agencies, the PSUs became “intermediaries” in the deal — except in the case of exports to Mauritius.
Commerce Secretary Rahul Khullar has clearly hinted at a criminal conspiracy in the manner in which the exports were executed. He has noted how, “it was crystal clear that the PSUs have not complied with the spirit of the public policy decision. Instead of directly exporting the rice, they settled for being mere standers-by watching on as individual private suppliers amassed huge gains from commercial transactions when, in fact, those profits should rightly have accrued to the PSUs...it is not an unreasonable surmise that there is a possibility of the PSUs acting in complicity with the private suppliers for a motive. This, in turn, implies the possibility of a criminal act.”
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/upa-1 ... -in-africa
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chaanakya wrote:
ramana wrote:Ms Radia is not in desh is she? Where is she while all these tapes are leaking?
Born Neera Sharma aka Radia ( married and divorced Janak Radia) is in London evading CBI summons to question her.

Holds British passport with Indian PIO Card obtained later.
Times Now reported that Radia's Chattarpur Farm House was raided by CBI yes'day along with her office premises in ND. Baijal , former TRAI regulator, was questioned by CBI and taken to Bank to check lockers. He is employee of Radia. Apparently , reporter was telling that CBI questioned Radia, but then old footage was only being shown. I hope she has returned to India and be declared as flight risk for denying bail, if that ever comes to.
Meanwhile Prafulla Patel called her economic terrorist. Seems, He was at her receiving end.
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But Isn't Raadia is just a lobbyist. Those who are/were in position of power and played on her tunes showed be thrown behind the bar.
Anyways how much is the max sentence for a bribery charge in India ? 3-4 Years max. and then you can enjoy on your ill gotten wealth.
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If true,that Radia is in London,how was she allowed to flee the country just before the raids? The raids coming after she has fled indicate that the Congress and Dr.Singh,the "lion of corruption",merely want to bolt the stable door afer the "filly" has fled! There is also little news about any action against another 10,000crore+ class scamster,one Suresh Kalamadi.But then he is a gallant Congressman and the Congress do not let down their tribe,only dumpable scum like Raja.

Justice Gokhale's thunderbolt that has hit the CJI in the ghoulies,indicates that the cancer in Indian public life is now everywhere.The Hon.Judge (Ghokale) I was told sometime ago,from someone who taught him, is supposed to be of impeccable character and integrity.His statements about the CJI well knowing that it was Raja who tried to influence a Madras HC judge and was bullsh*tting about it,shows that even the highest judicial officer in the land is a liar and cannot be trusted!

We now have the Executive led by the impotent-cum-corrupt (by inaction) PM ,the Armed Forces (several chiefs involved in the Adarsh real-estate scam),the battalions of Bureaucracy led by the "oily" CVC Thomas, and now even the Judiciary right from the top all appear to be united in just one cause,not for the country but for the sake of power and pelf,to plunder the nation for their sole benefit and that of their relatives and cronies.The saddest fact is that even the media has shown that its star anchors ,some who have been lavishly awarded even with Padma awards are nothing better than PR pimps and whor*s.

Who will lead the clean up of India? A national movement against corruption is required just as the "Quit India" movement was launched against our former colonial masters.The stench of corruption is so overwhelming that it almost makes traitors like Arundathi Roy and her Maoist pals look like Patriots!
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Muppalla wrote:

In this persuit I see the following actions taken:
(A) Chidu actions:

(B) Pranab's actions:

(C) MMS game plan:

(D) Gandhis game plan:


Spoilers:
(1) Supreme Court - Judicial activism is back again after the most corrupt CJ retired.
(2) Jagan, Chavan, Hooda
(3) Digvijay
Great analysis, but why is the last mentioned family-toiler, pot-boiler a spoiler ?

He read your analysis and must have felt being missed out, hence the below news snippet :rotfl:

Guilty Will be Punished in 2G Scam Case: Digvijay
Congress General Secretary Dijvijay Singh today said those involved in the 2G spectrum scam would be punished but rejected opposition BJP's demand for a JPC probe into the issue.

"Raids are being conducted and the concerned minister (A Raja) has resigned...The guilty will be punished," Singh, in-charge of party's affairs in Assam, told reporters here.

Stating that there was no need for a JPC, he said, "The PAC is under the chairmanship of senior BJP leader Dr Murli Manohar Joshi and if his party's leadership does not have faith in him then it is ridiculous."

Singh said even Union Finance minister Pranab Mukherjee had said that the PAC would look into the issue.
The involved-persons must be afraid of calls on their phones by the gentle raja ?

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Praful Patel : Radia is an "economic terrorist"

Praful hits back at Radia following accusations, calls her "economic terrorist"
NEW DELHI: Lashing out at lobbyist Niira Radia, civil aviation minister Praful Patel tonight dubbed her as an "economic terrorist" accusing her of having "vested interests" and a "personal agenda."
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The Question DS needs to answer why the aversion to JPC?
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There have been 27 places in TN where raids have taken place today. Of these, the one in Rev. Jegath Gasper's premises is significant, IMO. He is very close to Ms. Kanimozhi and is an EJ to the core. He is an LTTE supporter and has been recently vociferously supporting a. Raja in the 2G issue.
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VikasRaina wrote:But Isn't Raadia is just a lobbyist. Those who are/were in position of power and played on her tunes showed be thrown behind the bar.
Anyways how much is the max sentence for a bribery charge in India ? 3-4 Years max. and then you can enjoy on your ill gotten wealth.
True. Which is why Yoguru Baba Ramdevji has demanded punishment of execution for (high cases of) corruption. And I support it.For high cases, not petty cases, punishment MUST be execution.

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Philip wrote:Justice Gokhale's thunderbolt that has hit the CJI in the ghoulies,indicates that the cancer in Indian public life is now everywhere.The Hon.Judge (Ghokale) I was told sometime ago,from someone who taught him, is supposed to be of impeccable character and integrity.....
Honorable Justice Gokhale is considered to be a very very nepotic judge. He may not be taking penny directly, but via relatives, he takes megatons of bribes. Honorable Justices have been corrupt/nepotic since 1950s. There is nothing new.
We now have the Executive led by the impotent-cum-corrupt (by inaction) PM ,the Armed Forces (several chiefs involved in the Adarsh real-estate scam),the battalions of Bureaucracy led by the "oily" CVC Thomas, and now even the Judiciary right from the top all appear to be united in just one cause,not for the country but for the sake of power and pelf,to plunder the nation for their sole benefit and that of their relatives and cronies.The saddest fact is that even the media has shown that its star anchors ,some who have been lavishly awarded even with Padma awards are nothing better than PR pimps and whor*s.
MMS is corrupt by action, not just inaction. Rumors say that he minted about Rs 10000 cr from CWG and some Rs 10000 cr from 2G scam, and money went to Mauritius accounts he or his companies have.

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Who will lead the clean up of India? A national movement against corruption is required just as the "Quit India" movement was launched against our former colonial masters.The stench of corruption is so overwhelming that it almost makes traitors like Arundathi Roy and her Maoist pals look like Patriots!
I propose three line law cited in http://rahulmehta.com/001.pdf to eradicate corruption. I request all to propose the DRAFTS of the laws they think can reduce corruption. eg Kiran Bedi and Arvind Kesarival are lobbying for Lokpal bill draft, but IMO that draft is totally useless. I qould request all to propose drafts they have faith in
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Gasper's credentials are mightily suspicious.He is an Eelamist to the core and suspected of being part of the CIA's plot to dissect both Lanka and S.India.

Tamil Eelam: Church’s Brainchild?
http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009 ... rainchild/
During the last week alone, Father Gasper Raj has been promoted by mainstream electronic media as a representative of Sri Lankan Tamils! Participating in debates on electronic news channels, he blatantly supports LTTE in the guise of voicing human rights concerns, criticizes the Indian government, and in one debate on Times Now Channel had the audacity to call Dr. Subramanian Swamy a “paid agent of Rajapakse”! Yet it is unclear if he is a Sri Lankan refugee or an Indian citizen. His antecedents and present activities in India/Tamil Nadu need thorough investigation.
"Crorepathy" Fr. Jegath Gasper Raj main link for Tigers in India
http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/4959
Tamil Tigers and the Church consider Fr. Gaspar Raj as their latest pop priest. ‘It is a story of rags to riches and from obscurity to political connections and fame," said an Indian commentator.

Political observers state that Fr. Gaspar Raj was responsible for bringing the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister to come closer once again to the Tamil Tigers, banned in India.

Fr.Gaspar Raj sudden rise to prominence began when he joined the Tamil language broadcasting division of Veritas Radio broadcasting to Asia. This radio runs program in Bahasa (Indonesia), Mandarin, Bengali, Sinhala, Burmese, Tamil, Filipino, Telugu, Hindi, Urdu, Kachin, Vietnamese and Karen languages.

For sometime the Tamil Tigers left him alone but renewed their connections in recent months. He is now seen as the conduit through which millions of Indian rupees flow into the hands of the movers and shakers of the Tamil Nadu and Indian politics in general.

Father Gaspar Raj is the founder of the Tamil Maiyam, a non-profit organization. Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi’s daughter Kanimozhi is the coordinator. Joinlty they organized the “Chennai Sangamam” (a cultural extravaganza) in the city which has drawn flak for its Tamil Tiger links.

The Jaya TV, (which has AIADMK chief Jayalalitha's patronage), which is opposed to the Tamil Tigers, telecast a 30-minute program on 04 March focusing on Fr Gaspar Raj sharing the platform with Nachimuthu Socrates, one of the senior fund-raisers for the Tigers.

The TV program highlighted that Socrates was among the eight arrested by the US Federal agents in August last year. American authorities have accused him of plotting to buy surface-to-air missiles for the Tamil Tiger rebels by bribing the US State Department officials. One of objectives was to bribe US officials to get the banned Tamil Tigers struck off the list of US terrorist organizations.

The program had also raised uncomfortable questions about Father Raj playing an important role in the state-sponsored Chennai Sangamam. The channel also questioned the ‘Government Order’ that had given Kanimozhi access to unlimited funds for her cultural programs.

Does Fr. Jegath Gaspar Raj was born into a low-middle class Catholic family in Nagarkovil, located in Tamil Nadu, India. He was in the early days a parish priest in a remote village in the Kanniyakumari district.
In the meantime, when DMK under the leadership of M. Karunanidhi, managed to win back the power in the last elections, Fr. Gaspar Raj moved fast to win the favour of the new Tamil Nadu regime. He won by using Ms. Kanimozhi one of the Board of Trustees and coordinator of the Tamil Maiyam .

Ms. Kanimozhi is the daughter of Tamil Nadu Chief Minister and the leader of the ruling party DMK.

She is also poet and also run `Karuthu', an organization run by her and Karthi Chidambaram, Union Finance Minister P. Chidambaram's son, to espouse freedom of speech, and expression of views. It is said that Karuthu is a non-political organization. Karuthu does not have an opinion on its own; nor does it reflect collective opinion. This is a forum for people to express their opinions in a decent manner. Karuthu is not constrained in any manner by religion, caste, and creed; nor is it shy of any subject. Politics, philosophy, contemporary understanding of history, social issues and all matters may be discussed here. One may also take a contrary view. The only requirement is that there should not be any personal attack.

This was the time LTTE wanted to make thei presence felt in India again. Tamil Tigers were getting disenchanted with Vaiko – V,Gopalasamy, the leader of the Marumalarchchi Dravida Munnetra Kalgam (MDMK).

LTTE leadership, after a lapse of a long period of time, contacted Fr. Gaspar Raj who in turn proved himself as an indispensable person by organizing the meeting of the TNA parliamentary group with the Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi and on the following day the meeting of TNA MPs with Dr. Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister of India.

Political sources claim that millions of Indian rupees changed hands from the Tiger coffers for the arrangement of these meetings.

- Asian Tribune -
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Given that mobiles these days are as powerful as PC, cant one develop a simple public-private key based encryption algo and put it in mobile, so that snoopers cant listen to it?
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All scams have to have foreign national ( ideally Person of Indian origin) involved be it Bofors or 2G scam.
Onece the stink starts leaking the nucleus of the scam diffuses into other other countries, so that we cant touch them or they can move funds or the foreign Govt will not extridite them...

Heck we cant even touch Raja, lallu Mulayam. kalnmadi...

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Philip wrote:Gasper's credentials are mightily suspicious.He is an Eelamist to the core and suspected of being part of the CIA's plot to dissect both Lanka and S.India.

Tamil Eelam: Church’s Brainchild?
http://indianrealist.wordpress.com/2009 ... rainchild/
That's fine as far as it goes, but one also should understand how Protestant and Catholic Churches are tools of elites. Christianity is an excuse, amongst many such excuses. See for example the thread http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... =24&t=5525 .
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One more post on this Rav who seems to be now close with DMK

http://www.boloji.com/opinion/0315.htm
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ramana wrote:Is Digvijay a spoiler or de-facto ally of Pranab? His digs hurt PC turf of Internal insecurity.

BJP and saffron are punching bags. To strike a blow between the three they will beat the punching bag.

How is Chavan a spoiler? BTW which Chavan the current CM or ex-CM?

I understand Hooda and Jagan can join up.

Also whats INC noises in Orissa?
Digvijay seems to be really confused but he will allign with Pranab as one of the representatives of family. Just like his mentor Arjun Singh. When times comes this dog will be shown the door like they did to Arjun.

My reference was to ex-CM Chavan, the "Aadarsh" Chavan.
Regarding Orissa, there was a deal between Naveen and INC before the last election and they want him to adhere to that where as Naveen is trying become a comeback kid of NDA. He will do based on the direction of the wind. This is almost like Bihar. INC made similar stuff against Nitish before the Bihar election run up. BJP has more say in Bihar but not in Orissa and that matters.

AjayKK wrote:
Muppalla wrote:

In this persuit I see the following actions taken:
(A) Chidu actions:

(B) Pranab's actions:

(C) MMS game plan:

(D) Gandhis game plan:


Spoilers:
(1) Supreme Court - Judicial activism is back again after the most corrupt CJ retired.
(2) Jagan, Chavan, Hooda
(3) Digvijay
Great analysis, but why is the last mentioned family-toiler, pot-boiler a spoiler ?
Let me write something finally on this Digvijay topic which will typically be called as massive CT by an average BRFite :). That is okay and we are used to that and there were occassions when CTs became realities. I have free time finally and hence writing this post :) I am writing this based on some blogs and chatter and so don't ask proofs and links. Just TWIW.

Believe it or not during the NDA regime, the home ministry of that era ( off cource with approval from all like minded entites) created an establishment that encompasses several intellectuals and foot soldiers from the hindutva parivaar. The establishment has extended its wings into all pillars of administration such as babudom, police and general administration. Interestingly its foot prints are deep inside intel agencies and MI is one area where the young turks seems to just too interested.

For a western-concept oriented folks this is the neo-con of India may be at a nacent/novice stage. Why not we give it a name and let me call this as Chanakya system. :D

At a foot soldier level, the abduls got infiltrated into D-gangs, IM, SIMI by doing certain low key things to win the trust. A lot of law enforcement establishment may know these and ignored due to pressures. Typical intel ops.

At an intellectual level the Chanakya system meets with top honchos during kumb melas etc.

By the way the geography of ops extends to Neelum valey to that of Nepal and Bhutan. No real info about Burma ops. The most known info is about a famous Swamiji having his make-shif ashram inside Neelum valey. Jai shri ram

Now this scared the s h i t out of the UPA-1 and you never know whom they can target. Damn scary!!! right. So operation remove Chanakya system started and several of the foot soldiers were behind bars with no bail. They did not want to see Kennedy style assasinations in India. But this is a slow cancer and you cannot really remove it though you though you removed it.

The unproven grapevine stories are: (1) YSR was accidented by this system to tell we are still there. (2) They are behind all the emberassment of Indo-Pak talks.

Operation remove Chanakya system and muslim apeasement are associated together by UPA government to have a positve result of this removal operation. This is where Digvijay as a family man to restore faith in INC deeper inside "pious-mullahs" is involved.

Diggy Raja knows that it is still not destroyed and the culprit is Chidu. The story is that this system is using Chidu to maximum with a possible sop of PMship. Chidu makes an occassional anti-saffron comment but seems to protect the system. Hemant Karkare being a guy from RAW understands these ops and he seems to have questions about removing the system. As he is dead it is reported that he asked his higher ups to relieve him as he is stressed out. Diggy goes one step further.

There were several failures to Chanakya system after UPA came into existence. They may or may not have a role in 2G stories.
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Politicsparty is hinting at INC payoffs in Raja's dairies

http://www.politicsparty.com/spectrum_scam.php

One Cabinet minister and MoS
4 office holders in the party

Total 6 honchos on Congress side.

And the hawala guys who laundered the funds.
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Cong invokes Bapu to tide over scam maelstrom
December 16, 2010 2:36:41 AM

Kumar Shakti Shekhar | New Delhi

At a time when the ruling Congress is highly disturbed over allegations of multiple scams being leveled against its Government, the party has chosen to again fall back upon its mascot – Mahatma Gandhi.

The Hindi version of Richard Attenborough’s Oscar-winning film Gandhi will be screened for the delegates on the first day of the party’s 83rd plenary session starting on December 18. “The screening of the film is aimed at conveying the simple and high thinking way of life of Gandhiji,” said an organiser.

A cultural programme, to mark 125 years of the Congress on December 19 evening, would be held after the political resolution is discussed and passed. The highlight of the programme would be a play depicting the first plenary session held in 1885 in Bombay under the presidentship of WC Bonnerjee.

Tribal dances of Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, bhajans of ‘Kabir Panth’ apart from a Kathak performance by Manjari Mishra and her troupe would also be part of the cultural programme.

While a public rally is usually held on the last day of the session, there is none this time. One such rally was held during the 79th session held in Tirupati in Andhra Pradesh in 1992 when the then Prime Minister PV Narasimha Rao was also the Congress president and he hailed from that State.

In another unusual feature, a resolution on 125 years of the Congress would also be passed apart from the usual political, economic and foreign resolutions. This session’s slogan is ‘125 years of dedication and service’.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/303965/Cong ... strom.html
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Muppalla,

Digvijay’s latest: Advani helped RSS infiltrate government, media

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Digvijay- ... 35231.aspx
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CBI raided the offices/residence of the Mr. Jegath Gaspar Raj chief of a Christian NGO - Tamil Maiyam (http://www.tamilmaiyam.in) as part of the 2G Gate. Both 2G-Raja and Ms. Kanimozhi, daughter of M. Karunanidhi, patronized Mr. Raj.

I'm hoping somewhere in this chain the Church affiliations of DMK come out in the open .....

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// Note - The NGO is supposedly a secular "Tamil" organization, but like many other NGO's working "hard" to "uplift the poor" is a christian organization.
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csharma wrote:Muppalla,

Digvijay’s latest: Advani helped RSS infiltrate government, media

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Digvijay- ... 35231.aspx
So the validation for what I wrote is coming via mainstream media. I don't even need to say that I collected from blogs and chatter. Digvijay is very very frustrated and he is now vomiting. :)
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Mixed signals on Digvijay cop claim

A Digvijay aide said the Congress general secretary in charge of Uttar Pradesh made the statement “to end Muslim alienation from our party” in the state.


Uttar Pradesh Congress spokesperson Akhilesh Pratap Singh agreed. “If Muslims didn’t root for us in Bihar, it was because the upper castes were not with us. The Muslims didn’t want to waste their votes on us. Now in Uttar Pradesh, the Brahmins and Thakurs are annoyed with our general secretary’s statement. He will have to quickly make amends…. Or else even Muslims will see no point in remaining with the Congress.”

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1101216/j ... 307873.jsp
My personal opinion is that these Rajas havn't forgiven congress for the removing Privy Purse and have a kind of resentment for being turned into villains. This was the main reason for VP Singh implementing Mandal. Arjun Singh brining in the reservation in academic institutions (for which congress doesn't even claim credit) and now Diggi Raja. I can't comprehend how these guys (given their temper and attitude in their personal life) can be really loyal to Nehru Dynasty other then pretending it.
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I think Diggy's remarks are being endorsed by Kangress, just to get some votes. Its simple, the strategy is push Diggy, who is now credible in certain unbelievers eyes because he is a yindu. They will push it until Kangress walla tells him to stop talking about it and then a rush of evidence will come out against it to keep the rest of the public happy. Now you win both Disbeliever vote and others. The Congress strategy will never eliminate terror in India, simply because they can't afford to be seen as too strong on terror or a particular community.

All sorts of things coming out now, CVC Chief that is recommended to take over the incumbent is an accused in the 2G scam! Kamal Nath has an island off the coast of Indonesia from corruption money, Sharad Pawar is funding media houses. - Lets see how much of this is proven. Many years ago the Lebanese ambassador to Iraq had written in his arabic memoirs that the Congress party was heavily involved in the IRaqi Oil for food scam.

This is scam season, so I think more will come out while all this is going on. The smaller scams (3000 Crore range) will go unnoticed I think. Stock market will drop a little as a result perhaps??

Also, something to keep an eye on is how dirty the war between BJP and Congress gets. COngress will open their mouths about BJP govt to make itself and everyone feel better. Congress worker morale is all of a sudden shattered and is at its lowest point since post election success. What changes can we hope of this? Will the govt collapse? Can it collapse? Subramaniam Swamy has filed petitions in the courts against Sonia madam. I doubt all this is going to sink for a while.

Also keep in mind that news reports have come out that D-gang is using political parties to get its work done. Will some nexus be blown here? This will be a test of transparency and I for one don't want to be the PM right now having to juggle all these political issues as well as day to day running of this country.
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Last night, Headlines Today channel exposed the land deal involving Voltas and the PA of Kanimozhi & Karunanidhi's second wife, Rajathi. Though some loose ends are yet to be resolved, essentially it involves selling a Rs 250-300 Crore property for a meagre Rs 25 Crore. The Niira Radia tapes speak of the TATAs helping building a commercial complex. The Voltas property is a prime property indeed. More to follow on HT channel in the next few days.
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Rs35,000 crore food grain meant for Uttar Pradesh poor sold outside

Many more others to follow, Satyam, IPL, Ordnance Scam, Rice Scam, land scam, 2G scam, Bribes for loans scams.... Do add to the list. I am sure this list will grow in the next few weeks.
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Mauli wrote:
Cong invokes Bapu to tide over scam maelstrom
http://www.dailypioneer.com/303965/Cong ... strom.html
:mrgreen: INC's salvation is in Gandhi-ji's "Hind Swaraj"
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csharma wrote:Muppalla,

Digvijay’s latest: Advani helped RSS infiltrate government, media

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Digvijay- ... 35231.aspx
Diggi raja sounds more and more like Taliban spokes person prior to US invasion :(( :(( :(( .
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Guys,

be careful with the abo diggi-raja link. It is full of viruses. I am doing a system scan after restoring to a old restore point
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The scams will tumble out for sometime. This is the scam season and BJP is going about quietly building its base. This season is certainly going to hurt the congress party maximum. Its urban middle class vote will be rattled and they will take revenge on the CON party.

So many scams have tumbled out that it is mind boggling. But still General elections are 3 years away finally this season of scams will have little effect on congress party's electoral prospects. Its short term credibility will be down but it will still come out trumps in this battle of perception. The media is with the congress party and so congress will finally sail through
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Mauli wrote:
Mixed signals on Digvijay cop claim

A Digvijay aide said the Congress general secretary in charge of Uttar Pradesh made the statement “to end Muslim alienation from our party” in the state.


Uttar Pradesh Congress spokesperson Akhilesh Pratap Singh agreed. “If Muslims didn’t root for us in Bihar, it was because the upper castes were not with us. The Muslims didn’t want to waste their votes on us. Now in Uttar Pradesh, the Brahmins and Thakurs are annoyed with our general secretary’s statement. He will have to quickly make amends…. Or else even Muslims will see no point in remaining with the Congress.”

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1101216/j ... 307873.jsp
My personal opinion is that these Rajas havn't forgiven congress for the removing Privy Purse and have a kind of resentment for being turned into villains. This was the main reason for VP Singh implementing Mandal. Arjun Singh brining in the reservation in academic institutions (for which congress doesn't even claim credit) and now Diggi Raja. I can't comprehend how these guys (given their temper and attitude in their personal life) can be really loyal to Nehru Dynasty other then pretending it.
Look at the language. Musalman is just a vote bank for these guys. In their speeches they may use beautiful words to show concern, they may organize dinner parties during Ramzan, etc. etc. but at the end of the day, the Musalman is just a vote bank for them.
Isn't the Indian Muslim tired of being treated like this?
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Pranav,in churches these days,both Protestsant and Catholic,there is a battle for church control going on between "Dalit Christians" and other castes.I was told that a Dalit Catholic bishop went as far as condemning a particluar community inside a church,which led to protests from insulted members to the Papal Nuncio! This bishop allegedly does everything possible to deter non-dalits from becoming priests and has ambitions of becoming the first Dalit cardinal too! There is tremendous Dalit agressiveness in church politics these days for all the wrong reasons-greed.The scandals involving church members too across the country shows that the established "Christian" denominations are in deep trouble with internal strife apart from being sidelined by the EJs who have international backing.

Back to the scams.The Tata-Voltas alleged land deal brokered by Radia takes the cake.If true,it shows that notwithstanding Ratan Tata's reputation-now singed at the edges,the group has also succumbed to the insidious back-scratching system that links politicos,babus,corporate houses and wheeler-dealers!
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Supreme court has given an order to monitor the CBI probe into 2G spectrum. But the meat of the news is that this probe will also include the 2000/2001 decision to provide USAL licenses to Reliance and TATA.

Guys you have to hand it to the congress. If Manmohan and Pranab are going to questioned in any investigation then so will Atal and Advani also. While BJP might hang Promod Mahajan as well as Arun Shourie, it is going to be very skittish about the two stalwarts of BJP. Reliance and TATA will now fight tooth and nail against any significant decision to clean up the 2G mess. And they will have the backing of some very very powerful entrenched economic interests.

We can now expect the BJP to stop stalling the parliament. Without BJPs support the other opposition parties will be toothless and not be able to do much. Even if a JPC probe is constituted, Congress and BJP will make sure that it is a meaningless exercise, whose mandate will be restricted and whose power is even more limited.

I even expect that the 2G furor will be suppressed by the next years budget session. It will be business as usual with people in power and with corruption as norm. Strom in a tea cup as they say.
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Rumor mill now says that 2G expose is financed by Chinese. Apparently, those who did not get good deal with US MNCs have joined the Chinese. To kick the US pawns (Sonia, RG, MMS, Mukesh, Radia etc) they have have engineered this expose with the help of Chinese money. Can Outlook, PC etc be Chinese agents?

Has India become so irrelevant that it is battle ground of Chinese vs American? Just as once it was battleground between British, French, Portugese etc?
Philip wrote:Pranav,in churches these days,both Protestsant and Catholic,there is a battle for church control going on between "Dalit Christians" and other castes.
And India has become battle ground for international protestant vs Catholic bodies?

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Investigation by three SCjs means MMS/Tata/Radia need to bribe out only 3 SCjs. But investigation by JPC would need bribing out 20-30 MPs which is much harder. So Tata-MMS cabal want investigation by SCjs and not JPC. Also SC-Cj Kapadia is a known Tata-agent and so investigation by SCjs would "prove" that Tata was a saint. I support JPC. Down with SCjs. Not that any bribe-giver or bribe-taker will be harmed. But at least JPC will dig out more skeletons than SCjs would. Why is Shourie opposing JPC? Any ideas?
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Rahul Mehata is the Man of the year of BR.

He has been shouting from t he roof tops how entrenched the corruption is in Indian public life.
The sapte of Armed forces involved in scams is also shocking and takes the sheen away from the utopian notion that there are institutions that are still intact and islands of integrity.

Keep it up Rahul, one day one day a visionary leader will emerge and rescue India, I hope it will be during my life time...

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recall from Mangal Pandey how a Parsi merchant supplies beef tallow for the cartridges to the EIC to be given to the soldiers...
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If Manmohan and Pranab are going to questioned in any investigation then so will Atal and Advani also.
Are Atal and Advani Ram-Laxman?. Do you think Ranjan B. and Pramod Mahajan collected money without the consent from Atal Ji?.
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Christopher Sidor wrote:Guys you have to hand it to the congress. If Manmohan and Pranab are going to questioned in any investigation then so will Atal and Advani also.
Looks like this is standard practise. In Karnataka Kumaraswamy and party (JD) says that Yeddiyurappa and Co (BJP) were taking the government lands all to themselves and their relatives. Swamy demands an enquiry. Yeddi accepts it but orders all the land related orders for the past 15 years to be pulled out. Kumaraswamy is silent these days.
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Rahul,clarification.There is no battle ,"Protestants vs Catholics" going on in India,but within both branches,Proddies and RCs,a battle between Dalits and non-Dalits,in a religion in which all are supposed to be equal.To give you an example,I must pass on this e-mail circulating,taken from a British newspaper,about corruption in the Church of South India (CSI is the group of mainstream Protestant churches in th south.In the north it is known as the CNI), which explains what is happening as far as corruption exists within the "church" in India today.
CSI takes no action against Bishop Dorai: The Church of England Newspaper, Dec 10, 2010 p 7. December 13, 2010

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Bishop Dorai (centre) following his release on bail earlier this year
First published in The Church of England Newspaper.

The Executive Committee of the Church of South India (CSI) Synod has declined to take disciplinary action against the Bishop in Coimbatore for theft and fraud.
At their Nov 29-30 meeting in Madras, the committee voted to take no action after one of the three members of the fact finding committee appointed to investigate Bishop Manickam Dorai had offered a dissenting opinion to the report that found the bishop had abused his office for personal financial gain. However, Bishop Dorai remains suspended from office and remains free on bail as he awaits criminal trial on multiple counts of theft and fraud.
The decision not to act against Bishop Dorai has provoked strong criticism from anti-corruption activists in the CSI. The CCC (Christ Centered Campaign), whose representatives met with Dr Rowan Williams during his trip to India to share their concerns about church corruption, accused the Moderator of the CSI, Bishop S. Vasanthakumar of “burying” the report and putting the investigative committee in “cold storage.”
If allowed to continue its investigations if Bishop Dorai, the CCC alleged, it would have “opened a Pandora’s box of similar demands for action against other corrupt CSI bishops.”
In its 32 page report, the fact finding committee led by retired Karnataka High Court Justice Michael Saldhana, former Karnataka Director General of Police A J Anandan and bank auditor C E Sarasam, reported it had been hindered in its investigation as many of the documents were in police custody, and Bishop Dorai and his supporters had refused to cooperate.
However, the committee found substantial evidence of criminal behavior by the bishop. It said Bishop Dorai had pledged diocesan bank accounts, trust funds and pension funds as collateral for personal loans, sold admissions to diocesan schools, took kickbacks on building contracts and diverted diocesan funds for his personal use. They found the bishop had authorized the sale of diocesan property to real estate developers at approximately 20 per cent of their market value, in return for what the committee believes were kickbacks from the real estate developers.
“These transactions are not a mere case of mismanagement but point to rank dishonesty and criminality,” the committee said.
The bishop’s family was also involved in the looting of the diocese the committee found. The bishop’s brother, Murthy, as head of the diocese’s Erode Womens Christian College “bled this institution” of funds by setting up a parallel teacher’s training college to which he diverted diocesan assets and encumbered college assets with loans of over £240,000 which he allegedly kept for his personal use..
“Virtually every expenditure and every facility of the CSI institutions right down to the vehicles and computers were diverted from the CSI institutions to Murthy’s personal institute which is run by his wife. Not only is this unethical and a clear case of misappropriation of funds and property running into lakhs of rupees, but it is downright dishonest and unethical,” the committee found.
In his dissenting opinion Mr Sarasam stated that while there was evidence of wrong doing, the bishop had not had an opportunity to defend himself. He also stated that all of the frauds could not be blamed upon the bishop. “While the truth is in the open, we attempt to find facts groping in the dark,” he said.
As the executive committee met to hear the report, protesters picketed the building in support of Bishop Dorai. The bishop also obtained a court order barring any disciplinary action against him until after Christmas. A supporter of the bishop had filed suit in Erode claiming the suspension of Bishop Doria had deprived him of pastoral care, and asked the court to reinstate the bishop.
The CCC accused the synod of moral cowardice for not acting upon the findings of the investigatory committee. “The Moderator and his fellow bishops had no stomach for acting” on the report’s findings as this would lead to the question why were similar committees “not appointed to probe serious allegations, some resulting in criminal cases, against themselves.”
“No action, they decided, is the best action for the safety and security of their own positions,” the CCC charged.
PS:I guess 2010 must forever be remembered as the "Year of the Scandal".
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