Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Dec 2010 22:37

SSridhar, Your usage of Type I and TypeII invokes the language of diabetes.

What is severely lacking in TSP is insulin that can counter these two forms of the malady. TSP by refusing MFN status to India has ensured that there are no business links/interests with India that can create prosperity and negate the Type I and II. Culutural ties can take you only so far. Without money which is the oxygen of politics the Type I&II rampage. Indians understand that and keep pushing for such ties and the TSP also knows and keeps turning it down.

What they need is an alternate path to prosperity than the traditional paths of Army (Fauji Foundation), Allah (collect hafta from Army and zakat) and Amrika (fund both these terrorists).

Along side the first two A's have to be sacred into reform or torn apart. And the latter A has to becoem insular and mind it sown home.

Operation Parakram did put the fear into all three and thats why Cold Start is such a bugbear to all three.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 16 Dec 2010 23:12

Raja Ram wrote: I would go a step further. The artificial rentier entity in the garb of a nation, that is called Pakistan, is nothing but a Weapon of Mass Destruction (WMD). The most potent one at that.

It would be somewhat wrong to to call to Pakistan the entity a Weapon of Mass Destruction(WMD).

The human mind is the most powerful and destructive weapon

The real WMD(s) are the people of pakistan and not "Pakistan" the entity itself. More precisely the "pakistaniat" (delusional, fanatical, callous and immutable ( my interpretation of the word)) the afflicts the people residing in that land. They number in their tens of millions , and for the section of people(who them selves number in the millions) whom this scourge affects the most any and all means are acceptable and any thing can be put on the line to achieve their goal. Death is only a path to Paradise. And the others are happy to facilitate. The true potential of the death and destruction that they can unleash is enormous, and when unshackled they will give ww2 a run for its money. What losses and damages we have faced from Pakistan itself till now is really minuscule (a few thousand soldiers, tens of thousands of civilians and a few billion dollars of damages and lost GDP) and will pail in comparison to what could be if they focuses all its destructive force towards India.
Pakistan the entity ,the idea itself is very weak , a paki is a Muslim first (which in a paki's case is almost necessarily means some vile interpretation of) and a Pakistani there after. So even if that nation collapses or disintegrates the Pakistani will almost seamlessly transition into being a Punjabi, Sindhi, a Caliphate-tite or whatever. But the 'Pakistaniat" inside him or her will remain. It is as has been accurately described in BR like a person with HIV , cant cure himself of it but can only pass it into others.

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 16 Dec 2010 23:14

i offer 100 goats to arnab for tearing into gola mushy on his channel. he really asked some very incisive questions and mushy had to eat his words on not coming back to India again,mujahideen and not paki army did kargil and classic was reserved for the end regarding agra ordeal where he blamed a higher power (diplomat) for derailing the talks. he said," i said about him (diplomat) but i dont know him

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must watch if you havent already.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 16 Dec 2010 23:21

please post on BENIS dhaga

snippets on TOI website
fell off chair laughing
viva la gola!

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 16 Dec 2010 23:46

Minister: Chabahar's Bombers Trained in Pakistan

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar said that the terrorists who carried out the bombings in Iran's Southeastern city of Chabahar had received thier necessary trainings in Pakistan.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Dec 2010 00:48

X-Posting from Future Scenarios for the Indian Subcontinent - II Thread

brihaspati wrote: Hoodbhoy raises pointers even from within slumabad.

"What became of the claim that the pride in the bomb would miraculously weld together the disparate peoples who constitute Pakistan? While many in Punjab still want the bomb, angry Sindhis want water and jobs — and they blame Punjab for taking these away. Pakhtun refugees from Swat and Waziristan, hapless victims of a war between the Taliban and the Pakistani Army, were tragically turned away by ethnic groups from entering Sindh. This rejection strikes deeply against the concept of a single nation united in adversity."

Now this is indeed interesting, refugees from Swat and Waziristan were turned away from entering Sindh, even though Pakjab lies in between. Why doesn't Hoodbuoy talk about Pakjab turning away the Pushtuns?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Dec 2010 03:13

First , in last few years India has been able to reduce 3.5 Poaknizers to 2.75 level. To Wrestle with 2.75 habitual Poakanizers, India must gain muslce , prepare the body and mind and it requires time. Going on steroids and weak msucles wont do in this long term battle. Good news is , We are on right track. all we nned to do is keep Poaks on the opium of hope till their last breath. The day is not far when any one of 2.75 come to enjoy Gubo previlages , Indians will be right behind that entity with their own vasleen jar and a grin .
Patience is required when dealing with real Poaktard leechers.

saip · Post by **saip** » 17 Dec 2010 03:21

shravan wrote:Minister: Chabahar's Bombers Trained in Pakistan

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar said that the terrorists who carried out the bombings in Iran's Southeastern city of Chabahar had received thier necessary trainings in Pakistan.

That is NOT news. If the Minister said Chabahar terrorist WERE NOT trainied in Porkiland, then that would have been an earth shattering news!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Dec 2010 03:27

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04132.html
The split in Pakistani and American interests

A military official in the U.S. Embassy here points to a map of Pakistan. "This is the problem we should be dealing with," he says, drawing a big circle around the entire country. Instead, he continues, now drawing a little circle around the frontier area known as North Waziristan, "we're in danger of focusing on this." ?
The military official says he worries that the Washington debate about Pakistan is becoming "hyper-focused" on a demand that the Pakistani army attack North Waziristan to stop Taliban insurgents from crossing into Afghanistan - a request he says the Pakistanis are incapable of meeting because their forces are "stretched too thin." The harder Washington pushes for a crackdown, the more Islamabad seems to resist. And the explanation is simple. The two countries' interests differ on this one: America, with its forces exposed in Afghanistan, wants action now. Pakistan, facing a nationwide campaign of terrorism, wants to concentrate on its internal threat. Politicians in each country accuse the other nation of being duplicitous and untrustworthy, which only makes the situation worse. "We have a nasty tendency of assuming that what we care about is what the Pakistanis care about," says the U.S. military official. He argues that the problem in Pakistan isn't that it has a secret agenda; it's that it has a "bloodied army." The ISI official raises the touchy issue of national pride. "By appearing as America's mercenaries, our army's acceptance level goes down."

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 17 Dec 2010 05:03

Holi in Karachi Pakistan,

Man I am really worried about these young guys and Girls dancing inside an open tent so helpless-

http://www.youtube.com/user/NamastePaki ... upISVYFFi8

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Dec 2010 05:39

Vril wrote:i offer 100 goats to arnab for tearing into gola mushy on his channel. he really asked some very incisive questions and mushy had to eat his words on not coming back to India again,mujahideen and not paki army did kargil and classic was reserved for the end regarding agra ordeal where he blamed a higher power (diplomat) for derailing the talks. he said," i said about him (diplomat) but i dont know him .

must watch if you havent already.

Please post a link. ASAP
I always post a link to anything interesting that I come across.
Please everyone do the same.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Dec 2010 05:46

Well here is one link:
Arnab Goswami tears Musharraf a new one on Times Now.

http://www.timesnow.tv/Excl-Pakistan-lo ... 360695.cms

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 17 Dec 2010 05:51

I agree with Doc Shiv that the Pak-Is-Satan establishment is actually jihadists in suit while their army is Taliban in uniform.

For a very long time there has been a Turkish outfit that had practiced this Jihadi in suit tactic. It is run from a base in the USA. The brain behind it is a man who was a wanted fugitive in Turkey until the current government came to power. Their members, both men and women, are very polished and western attired and they run private schools in many parts of the world including in the USA. They are very hardcore Islamists seeking to re-establish the Ottoman Caliphate. Its a multi-billion dollar operation with interests in many multi-national corporations especially in Turkey. Very sleek. Pakjabis have taken a page out of this outfit's playbook.

As far as Indians are concerned, as much as this jihadists in suits can charm their western audiences, my question is why should there be a need for Indians to do like wise? All in all, the numbers just don't add. Though economically affluent, the total western population is less than a billion while the Indian population is a billion plus. All this NPR, CNN, FOX, NBC etc would mean nothing if the English speaking Indians ignore them and instead pay attention to India's own media. Just need to polish up the quality of programming instead of the dumb Bollywoodish / celebrity laced idiotic mumbo jumbo. All Indian leaders and spokes people need to do is win the hearts and minds of the Indian people and unite them. What India lacks now is a genuine unity under the banner of Indian-ness. Recently I came across a bunch of IT-vity (thanks Vina) type and my lord...the level of ignorance and don't give a damn attitude apart from cricket and bollywood is appaling. My guess is that here on BRF the folks are above the curve. Many here hold the opinion that the average Joe six pack in the USA only cares about his dog, beer, truck, Nascar, football and NRA membership and the world can go to hell. It is depressing to come across Desis in the same shoes. The role being played by the Indian media is probably the culprit here.
This reminds me of the late MGR. That man may have been personally corrupted in many ways but in all his movies (at least from my grandma's collection in Israel) he always advocated for India and Indians. If the Indian media can shape up, India's spokes people can go around in chapals, chew pan, and dressed in dothis but as long as they can reach Indians in unison, Pakistan will be crushed even if the whole of Nato interferes. Any one notice if the US establishment ever give a hoot to the media of other nations? Hardly. All they care about if the ABC, CNN, FOX etc.
Avram

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Dec 2010 06:42

X Posted from the Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism Thread.

The status of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as the favoured nurturing ground of Islamic Terrorism is reaffirmed.

Iran’s Fars News Agency, citing Iranian Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar is claiming that the attackers of the Imam Hussein Mosque in Chabhar have been trained in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Minister: Chabahar's Bombers Trained in Pakistan

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Dec 2010 06:45

The choice of Chabahar is interesting, because of the deep sea port that India is building there for a land route to Afghanistan.

Jundallah has been active mostly in the eastern part of Iran, along the border with Pakistan and Afghanistan.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Dec 2010 07:01

X posted from the Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism Thread.

Deputy Chairman of Iran’s Majlis Committee on National Security and Foreign Policy Hossein Ebrahimi accuses elements within the Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan of supporting terrorists:

"Pakistan should wipe out terrorists"

Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:56PM …………………….

The Iranian lawmaker further expressed dismay over Pakistan's failure to rein in terrorism in its soil, adding that "there are some elements within the Pakistani government that back the terrorists, a weakness that the county has not yet managed to address adequately." …………………….

Press TV, Iran

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Dec 2010 07:33

Amir Mir on the death toll arising from the penchant of the Muslim citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan targeting fellow Muslim citizens over differences in the practise of Islam

For a country justified on the grounds of providing a safe haven for the Muslim’s of the Indian Sub-continent, the death toll is clearly a failure:

356 killed at worship places in 350 days

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 17 Dec 2010 07:44

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 114972.cms
Was 'ISI spy' in Mumbai plotting a 9/11-type attack?

Mazgaon resident Javed Abdul Gafoor Mozawala, who was arrested last week by the city crime branch on suspicion of being a Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) spy, might have been planning an air attack similar to America's 9/11, according to Mumbai police.

Far-fetched as it might sound, interrogators arrived at this deduction after finding that the 28-year-old travel agent, who used to deal in foreign visas, had actually applied for a cargo-handling job that would give him entry into high-security areas in the airport. "We feel that Mozawala, under the guidance of his handlers in Pakistan, was angling for a job that would get him close to aircraft. We suspect they wanted to either plant bombs or hijack an aircraft," a senior city police officer said.

Mozawala, who had completed two short-term diploma courses from an aviation academy in Andheri in 2007 and 2008, had applied for jobs in two cargo-handling companies at the Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport (CSIA). Crime branch officials have now written to the two companies asking them to supply his application details so that they can be produced as material evidence while presenting the prosecution's case in court.

Pictures of at least 25 important locations, including the Koyna dam, Bandra-Worli Sea Link, the National Defence Academy at Khadakwasla, in Pune, and Western Naval Command office in Colaba, were found in his possession. Police officers claimed Mozawala was indoctrinated during his visits to Pakistan, and had received large sums of money in cash using which he had allegedly purchased a 1-BHK flat in Infinity Tower in Mazgaon. "Until some years ago, he used to stay in a slum in Jogeshwari but in a few years managed to buy a flat in a fairly expensive area which could have cost more than Rs 60 lakh

If one sees the angle of the photos he's taken of the targets, it appears that he had been asked to take pictures of places that could be breached or targeted, such as the wall, gate, security barricades, electricity supply, main pillars of the Bandra-Worli Sea Link, Koyna dam, etc," said another officer. He added that the police want to arrest and interrogate two senior employees of the Pakistan high commission in New Delhi with whom he was in regular touch and who are believed to have supplied him with information, maps and pictures related to the targets.

arun · Post by **arun** » 17 Dec 2010 08:00

X Posted from the India-US Strategic News & Discussion thread.

"if you want to end malaria you have to get rid of the swamp."

Wikileaked discussions between our former National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan and FBI Director Robert Mueller:

Indian protests that America is too soft on Pakistan

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Dec 2010 08:35

ramana wrote:SSridhar, Your usage of Type I and TypeII invokes the language of diabetes.

What is severely lacking in TSP is insulin that can counter these two forms of the malady. TSP by refusing MFN status to India has ensured that there are no business links/interests with India that can create prosperity and negate the Type I and II. Culutural ties can take you only so far. Without money which is the oxygen of politics the Type I&II rampage. Indians understand that and keep pushing for such ties and the TSP also knows and keeps turning it down.

Ramana, I deliberately used Type-1 & 2 with exactly diabetes in my mind.. Type-1s have gone wrong right from the beginning. Type-2s get into that late. The effect is the same though. Diabetes affects every organ of the body and so are these vermins.

However, you have taken it a step higher, which made me think more about the analogy. Just read that stem cells introduced into the Islets of Langerhans have the ability to make it secrete insulin. The stem cells are the primordial cells. In the Pakistani context, such a primordial cell is India.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Dec 2010 09:35

arun wrote: 356 killed at worship places in 350 days

Pakistan ka matlab kya? La illah ill Allah

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Dec 2010 09:46

2 Britons killed in drone attack

The two were apparently travelling with other militants when their vehicle came under fire. . . The two Britons are said to have converted to Islam and taken on pseudonyms.

They were killed in the Data Khel area of North Waziristan which is regarded as a safe haven for terrorists.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 17 Dec 2010 10:04

Selling dog meat: Butchers ‘branching out’ of their market
http://tribune.com.pk/story/90118/selli ... ir-market/

Dog and donkey meat being sold to hotels and vendors in Okara

OKARA: Police officials arrested a butcher, Shakeel, on Tuesday for selling dog meat in the district.

After residents in the district began complaining of stray dogs that had bitten several people, police officials said that they began to conduct raids in the area looking to impound the dogs. “I led a team at night to search for stray dogs to take off the streets when we caught two men capturing dogs in sacks,” Constable Ishfaq said.

The constable said that police followed the brothers, Muhammad and Shakeel, and discovered that they had set up a secret slaughtering operation in their house. “We discovered that they had been picking up dogs off the street and were butchering them at home. Then they sold the meat to local burger shops in the morning,” Ishfaq said.

Police officials arrested the brothers and interrogated them. A raiding team visited three kebab shops in the district and had the meat tested by local veterinarian, Dr Ahmed Hoti, who confirmed that it was dog meat.

“This is incredibly dangerous, not to mention immoral. The dog meat can cause several stomach-related diseases not to mention the danger of rabies,” he said.

Okara district police officer (DPO), Shaheen Zar, said that another set of raiding teams had arrested a man for selling donkey meat in the district. After testing the meat, veterinarian, Rashid Kaleem, confirmed that the meat belonged to a donkey and that it was being served as lamb by several hotels. Police officials said that they had also arrested the owners of the hotels responsible for purchasing the meat.

Syed Ehteshamul Haq Gillani, the secretary general of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam district Okara, said that such incidents were on the rise after the floods as diseased animal meat was often unfit for use and butchers had begun to use different animals. Gillani said that unhygienic meat was not only being sold in the local market but was also being supplied to hotels in Islamabad and Peshawar. “Sheikh Basti Okara has become the leading market for the sale of dead animal meat or that of animals that are not fit for consumption,” a doctor at the THQ hospital, Tanveer Athar said.

“Hundreds of kilos of contaminated meat are being supplied to various cities in the province on a daily basis and it all goes from here,” Athar said.

The district coordination officer has taken notice of these incidents and said that all the accused would be arrested. The DPO has ordered raiding teams to patrol the district on a daily basis in this regard.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 17 Dec 2010 10:09

^^^

And the world wonders what makes the Pakroaches Rabid??

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 17 Dec 2010 10:32

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Dec 2010 11:16

Next time a Pakistani tells you, they eat a lot more meat than Indians, tell them we are aware of their diet of mare hue kutte-gaddhe!

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 17 Dec 2010 11:22

Reminds me of our "kaka biryani "

sum · Post by **sum** » 17 Dec 2010 11:42

Today is Fridday and Muharram to boot...lots of IED mubarak ahead?

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 17 Dec 2010 12:03

Isn't Muharram a Shia "festival" ? I'd be really surprised if there aren't.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 17 Dec 2010 12:08

Wen to bolster strong Pakistan ties after India visit

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao will aim to reassure Pakistan on a visit beginning on Friday that energy, military and economic ties remain tight, despite China's warming relations with India. Wen, who flies in after a two-day visit to India, is expected to sign off on trade deals officials estimated
at between $10 billion and $14 billion with impoverished Pakistan,(Bad Reuters, Bad Bad Reuters ) and is likely to pledge Chinese help to develop a strategic port.

Ties between nuclear-armed rivals India and Pakistan remain tense over a host of issues, and China's ties with Pakistan irk India.

Wen used more than $16 billion in trade deals and promises of political support to charm India into temporarily setting aside disputes with China.

He will want to assure old friend Pakistan that China's improving ties with India do not come at Pakistan's expense.

"China still looks at Pakistan and India through the same lens," said Hamayoun Khan, an independent analyst and former China-Pakistan expert at the Institute of Strategic Studies.

"Whereas the US considers Pakistan as part of Af-Pak and India as a separate country, which is not taken well in Pakistan."

India, of course, will loom large during talks: both Pakistan and China want to hem in India as a rising military power.

"In a way they give us (Pakistan), say, annually $2 billion," said analyst Khan. "What do we do? ... We're a pain in the ass for the Indians." ( What else ? )

Chinese weapon sales to Pakistan, which make up a significant chunk of its annual arms exports, focus less on counter terrorism and counterinsurgency as favoured by the United States, and more on fighter jets, air-to-air missiles, tanks and other conventional weapons systems.

Such sales, as well as close diplomatic ties, mean China encourages Pakistan's military focus on India, to the annoyance of the United States, Pakistan's other major ally.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 17 Dec 2010 12:14

Also ..lest we forget,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGUZtembm5Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULE8v5ftqBI

Google ranks Pakistan #1 per person in donkey sex, rape pictures, camel sex, child sex, Horse Sex

and this

Being a donkey in Pakistan is Very Very Dangerous

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Dec 2010 12:47

jamwal wrote:Wen to bolster strong Pakistan ties after India visit

It is a Reuters article also sourced by Dawn here: http://www.dawn.com/2010/12/17/chinese- ... day-2.html

Interestingly, Dawn has made edits. The deletions in green and addition in yellow (click for bigger pic):

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 17 Dec 2010 14:36

US drone strikes kill 10 in Pakistan's Khyber

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — A salvo of US missiles killed 10 militants in Pakistan on Friday, targeting Khyber district for a second day running as Barack Obama urged Islamabad to do more to root out terror havens.

The strikes hit two different villages in Tirah, the same valley where a US drone attack on Thursday killed seven militants in either the first or second such strike in Khyber, local officials said.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 17 Dec 2010 14:37

Mortars kills six in Pakistan on Ashura: police

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Dec 2010 14:38

TSP court acquits Qari Ilyas

The Rawalpindi-based anti-terrorism court of Judge Malik Mohammad Akram Awan acquitted Qari Ilyas on Tuesday due to the
prosecution's failure to produce evidence linking him to the attack. Ilyas was charged with involvement in the suicide attack near Islamabad's Melody Market on July 6, 2008.
...
Reports said two key prosecution witnesses had refused to testify against Ilyas.

Ilyas and eight other men were earlier absolved of charges of plotting another suicide attack that killed the Pakistan Army's surgeon general in February 2008.

I believe it is the same Qari Ilyas:
http://www.zeenews.com/news664098.html

An anti-terrorism court had on September 25 {2010} acquitted Qari Ilyas, Muhammad Usman and Shakir Ali due to lack of evidence against them.

The suicide attack outside the Danish embassy in June 2008 was carried out in the wake of the publication of blasphemous caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed in Danish newspapers.

The blast also injured over 20 people and damaged the residences of the Indian and Dutch ambassadors.

So, Qari Ilyas was charged with aiding 3 suicide bombings that took place in Feb, Jun, and Jul 2008, and acquitted on all three counts.
Qari Ilyas 3, justice 0 ???

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Dec 2010 14:56

if he's acquited for killing a fauji afsar, then the aforementioned fauji afsar must have had a different opinion on the greater jihad than his superiors...

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Dec 2010 15:36

Thadani N.V.
A Pretty Tale of Pakistan, 1946

"Indeed, you call it Pakistan--
The land of purest light;
But know it is your Bakistan-
The land of fear and fright;
And soon will change to Khakistan-
The land of dust and blight."

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Dec 2010 16:27

shravan wrote:Mortars kills six in Pakistan on Ashura: police

er I have a question. If you find a few people dead after some explosions how will you know that they were killed by mortar fire? For example - the blast in Banaras - our SDREs are struggling to say what caused it. But out there in Hangu pat you have the diagnosis "Mortar fire". How do they do it?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 17 Dec 2010 16:31

Shiv Saar,

Zimble onlee, they are TFTA and we are SDRE...

There one paki police man == 10 SDREs

Didnt you know.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 17 Dec 2010 16:39

No, its very simple, they found an un-exploded mortar there