Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Oct. 20, 2010

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Dec 2010 16:56

krishnan wrote:No, its very simple, they found an un-exploded mortar there

So it must have been printed or written on the mortar shell as to where it came from because they have stated the source of mortar fire as well.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 17 Dec 2010 17:01

it is djinn power thru which the insight comes.

if yindinas would have tried to shell them, pious blessed fakirs would have intercepted flying mortars and would have diverted back to the kafars.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 17 Dec 2010 17:08

WikiLeaks: India said Pak did nothing on Mumbai probe

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article958830.ece

Pakistan is “hypnotically obsessed” with India’s military and has done “damn near nothing” to prosecute suspects in the 2008 terrorist attack on Mumbai, top Indian diplomats have told U.S. officials.

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Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao said earlier this year that peace talks, which have been on hold since the 2008 siege, could not move ahead until Islamabad did more to dismantle Pakistan-based terrorist infrastructure that New Delhi says supports militants.

The talks “can’t just be switched on,” Ms. Rao told U.S. Senator John Kerry during a February visit to New Delhi, insisting Islamabad had not yet done enough to prove it was serious about terrorism. The comments were conveyed in cables sent by the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi to the State Department and obtained by WikiLeaks. They were posted on Friday on the Website of the British newspaper The Guardian.

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Shortly before the Kerry meeting, Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram told visiting FBI Director Robert Mueller that Pakistan had “done damn near nothing” to prosecute the Mumbai suspects, according a cable.

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In 2009, meanwhile, then-Foreign Secretary Shivshankar Menon told then-Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher: “Let’s not insult one another by telling a story that the Pakistan Army was not involved” in the Mumbai attacks.

The cable quoted Mr. Menon as saying that the Pakistani Army paid wages to members of Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistan-based Islamist militant group believed to be behind the siege. “They’re either unwilling to take action, or incapable, or both; any way you look at it, they’re involved.”

In early 2009, Mr. Menon warned the U.S. ambassador that Pakistan’s military was gaining ground in Islamabad at the expense of civilian leaders. “The good guys are losing,” Mr. Menon said.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Dec 2010 17:16

So much honesty with Americans and so little with the Indian citizens.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Dec 2010 17:30

A_Gupta wrote:TSP court acquits Qari Ilyas
The Rawalpindi-based anti-terrorism court of Judge Malik Mohammad Akram Awan acquitted Qari Ilyas on Tuesday due to the prosecution's failure to produce evidence linking him to the attack.

It is the same judge, Malik Mohammad Akram Awan, who is now hearing the 26/11 case at Adiala. He took over from the earlier judge who, in October 2009, recused himself for the following reason

There were reports that Rana received threats from the LeT because the suspects were indicted in the absence of their lawyers during a hearing on October 10.

Rana was also reportedly unhappy about pressure from the government regarding the case, sources said.

Now, the new Judge Awan has been blithely conducting the proceedings without any pressure or threats. The case has been lingering on with adjournments and no real progress. We don't need to be Einsteins to understand the reason. That tallies with the release of Qari Ilyas. Generally, the conviction rate is pathetic because the judges fear for their lives. The same happens in blasphemy cases as well, where the judges convict the accused for fear of their very own lives.

In August, 2009, Pakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik had this to say about the connection between Qari Ilyas and the Pakistani Army.

He said there have been some elements in the intelligence agencies who have had links with terrorists, including Baithullah Mehsud, Qari Ilyas and Qari Hussain and with banned organisations, adding they were officers of the rank of major and wanted to target army generals.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Dec 2010 17:55

we need to publicise the targetted assasinations of PA afsars who may have been (more) moderate than the hard core jehadis taking over... (calling SSridharbabu)

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Dec 2010 18:57

Well with all these Generals who never want to leave their armchairs, it is natural that the junior officers would try to give them some promotion upwards. After all it is a case of rozi-roti, plots of land, and shares in some construction companies, etc. Why the Jernails so greedy and not sharing with everybody?! Hen ji?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Dec 2010 19:22

China-TSP railway line through Khunjerab Pass proceeding apace

Pakistan and China have agreed in principle to constitute a consortium for seeking a soft-term loan from some international company for laying a railway track between the two countries, an official said.

He said a six-member committee comprising equal number of experts from both China and Pakistan has already been constituted to move forward in this regard.

He said China has already prepared a feasibility report of laying a railway track in the difficult terrain of Karakoram linking both the states through Khunjarab Pass.

He said the Chinese feasibility report covered the railway track up to Havelian, a town near Islamabad.

He said both the sides were agreed to form a consortium and seek support of some international institution for funding the multi-billion dollars project.

A process to hook up the Pakistan Railways with the Trans-Asian Railway Network is initiated with active support of Chinese government which will besides, linking the time tested friendly countries through rail networks, also ensure standardizing the Pakistani gauge to international standards.

This will facilitate trade to the Central Asian Republics, Russia and China and beyond. The plan is to hook up the two countries with road, rail, fibre optic links. app

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Dec 2010 19:36

Lalmohan wrote:we need to publicise the targetted assasinations of PA afsars who may have been (more) moderate than the hard core jehadis taking over... (calling SSridharbabu)

Insh'a Allah

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Dec 2010 21:14

Lalmohan wrote:we need to publicise the targetted assasinations of PA afsars who may have been (more) moderate than the hard core jehadis taking over... (calling SSridharbabu)

Lalmohan in the Paki military casualty thread in Mil Forum I noticed a number of brigadier level officers dying in helicopter flights. My thinking is that a systematic elimination of Pak officers with propensity for jihadist outlook were eliminated.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 12#p994312

As Kiyani was last batch before the Islamization program of Gen Zia, those Brigs would be first to third batches of PMA Kakul after the program was initated. So its the other way around.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Dec 2010 21:21

SSridhar wrote:China-TSP railway line through Khunjerab Pass proceeding apace
Pakistan and China have agreed in principle to constitute a consortium for seeking a soft-term loan from some international company for laying a railway track between the two countries, an official said.

He said a six-member committee comprising equal number of experts from both China and Pakistan has already been constituted to move forward in this regard.

He said China has already prepared a feasibility report of laying a railway track in the difficult terrain of Karakoram linking both the states through Khunjarab Pass.

This is called "proceeding apace"?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Dec 2010 21:45

ramana, there were also several killed by soosai bum, so it looks more like a mafia turf war...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Dec 2010 22:24

So action both ways going on bothways. Expect soon some thing bigger if this continues. Wonder if Gola claiming that Army will takeover is realted to thsi and not the general politician malaise?

Can you tabulate those fallen due to good Pakiban actions?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Dec 2010 22:25

it was in the list higher up... probably the same one you're quoting from

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Dec 2010 22:28

Pratyush wrote: There one paki police man == 10 SDREs

So if a mango-abdul kills 7.2 pakis will he get his 72? That is an idea.

Killing one believer = killing 10 kufrs. Why waste ammunition pakis????

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Dec 2010 22:41

When Pakis fail, their national bird raises like a Phoenix

At least 22 people have been killed in a series of attacks by US drones in the past 24 hours in Pakistan's Khyber tribal district, officials say.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Dec 2010 22:42

ombaba is surging before pulling out
(pun intended)

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Dec 2010 23:02

A_Gupta wrote:Thadani N.V.
A Pretty Tale of Pakistan, 1946

"Indeed, you call it Pakistan--
The land of purest light;
But know it is your Bakistan-
The land of fear and fright;
And soon will change to Khakistan-
The land of dust and blight."

or, in the end be called khalistan-
when there is no one left to kill or fight.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Dec 2010 23:05

abhishek_sharma wrote:“The good guys are losing,” Mr. Menon said.

I hope Menon doesn't refer to duspercenti and company as the "good guys". More like "good fellas".

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Dec 2010 23:07

asprinzl wrote:I agree with Doc Shiv that the Pak-Is-Satan establishment is actually jihadists in suit while their army is Taliban in uniform.

For a very long time there has been a Turkish outfit that had practiced this Jihadi in suit tactic. It is run from a base in the USA. The brain behind it is a man who was a wanted fugitive in Turkey until the current government came to power. Their members, both men and women, are very polished and western attired and they run private schools in many parts of the world including in the USA. They are very hardcore Islamists seeking to re-establish the Ottoman Caliphate. Its a multi-billion dollar operation with interests in many multi-national corporations especially in Turkey. Very sleek. Pakjabis have taken a page out of this outfit's playbook.

......

Avram

Avram , Is this one of them?

Ahmet Davutoğlu

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 17 Dec 2010 23:55

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12015959

Nearly 60 people have been killed in a series of attacks by US drones in the past 24 hours in Pakistan's Khyber tribal district, officials say.

At least 50 died in three unmanned air strikes in the Tirah Valley, a day after seven others were killed nearby.

Meanwhile, the CIA has withdrawn its top spy from Pakistan, amid threats to his life, US intelligence confirms.

The Islamabad station chief had been identified in a lawsuit linking him to drone strikes, and media coverage of the legal action led to his name appearing on placards during anti-US protests in the Pakistani capital.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/18/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

The Central Intelligence Agency’s top clandestine officer in Islamabad was pulled from the country on Thursday amid an escalating war of recriminations between American and Pakistani spies, with some American officials convinced that the officer’s cover was deliberately blown by Pakistan’s military intelligence agency.

The C.I.A. officer hastily left Pakistan on the same day that an Obama administration review of the Afghanistan war concluded that the war could not be won without greater cooperation from Islamabad in rooting out militants in Pakistan’s western mountains.

American officials said that the C.I.A. station chief had received a number of death threats after he was named publicly in a legal complaint sent to Pakistani police this week by the family of victims of the spy agency’s campaign of drone strikes in Pakistan’s tribal areas.

But the officials said there is strong suspicion that operatives of Pakistan’s powerful spy service, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, had a hand in revealing the C.I.A. officer’s identity — possibly in retaliation for a civil lawsuit filed in Brooklyn last month implicating the I.S.I. chief in the Mumbai terror attacks of November 2008.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 17 Dec 2010 23:55

more on wiki

Kashmir on a platter!

Wikileaks are leaking away -- and the first batch of cables detailing India-Pak ties are making their way out. One cable points to India's growing frustration with Pakistan. Dated 27th November 2009 and marked confidential, it records the view of Joint Secy in the MEA Yash Sinha who currently handles the Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan desk.

Sinha is quoted as saying "even if India were to lop off Kashmir and hand it on a platter to Pakistan, they would still find a reason to make trouble for us."

Pointing to the lack of progress on the Mumbai attackers' trial in Pakistan, Sinha sounds unwilling to believe foreign minister Qureshi's argument given to SM Krishna when they met in Kabul that the Pakistani government can't interfere in the judicial process. He tells his American interlocutor, "the Pakistanis constantly interfere in the judicial process when it suits them to do so."

Sinha also asks America not to fall for Pakistan's "game" of linking Afghanistan with resolving Kashmir. The cable says he called on the US govt to "see through and resist Pakistan's game of promising cooperation in Afghanistan in return for US pressure on India to sort out Pakistan's problems with India"

Sinha also warns the US against believing Pakistan's "false threats" saying, "If they really believed that (India was a threat on Pakistan's eastern border), they never would have withdrawn an entire army corps from the east and deployed it in the west."

Sinha says an essential element of Pakistani policy is to "try to internationalize every bilateral issue between us." And makes it clear that the Composite Dialogue, on pause since the Mumbai attacks, won't resume until Pakistan takes "credible and verifiable" measures against terror directed at India.

"We have no benchmarks" for resumption, Sinha stated, adding that improvement in bilateral ties is not dependent on a single measure such as Pakistani action against Lashkar-e-Taiba supremo Hafiz Saeed. Sinha stated he is "convinced that LeT is a creature of the ISI and armed by the ISI."

Two, India felt the need to expose Rawalpindi's game-plan to Washington - suggesting there were elements within the Obama administration who were susceptible to that line (Richard Holbrooke? Pentagon?).

Three, the UPA did not dilute its line on terror under US `influence' or 'pressure' . In other words, there was no double-speak or triple-speak. What New Delhi was telling its people at home was what it was telling Islamabad and Washington.

Four, India was (and remains) willing to step up training for Afghan security forces, but prefers to keep it quiet.

And finally, nothing much seems to have changed one year on.

Pakistan is still raising the Kashmir bogey with the US, it's still dragging its feet on 26/11, the US sees through Pakistan's game a lot more clearly today but is still unwilling to use its stick, and Washington is back to blaming Karzai's "corrupt and inefficient government" for all its problems.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 18 Dec 2010 00:06

another bad news folks
Police kill suicide bomber in Pakistan

Islamabad, Dec 17 (PTI) Police killed a suicide bomber who was trying to target a Shia procession in Shikarpur district in southern Pakistan today, officials said.

Four policemen were injured when the bomber�s suicide vest went off after police fired at him, officials said.

The incident occurred in Napierabad village of Shikarpur district this evening. The head of the Khanpur police station was among the injured.

Superintendent of Police Asad Sarfarz told the media that prompt action by policemen deployed to guard the procession prevented the suicide attack.

More than 1,000 people had joined the procession organised to mark the 10thday of the Islamic holy month of Muharram.

Pakistani authorities have put in place tight security arrangements for Muharram, which has been marred by sectarian and militant violence in recent years.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 Dec 2010 01:57

Really sad news.

But a question that arises is, will the soosai bummer still get his 72?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Dec 2010 01:59

No. He might get mention in the TSP Army Shaheed website.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 18 Dec 2010 02:02

Honest question - What are female suicide bombers entitled to - Hourons?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 18 Dec 2010 02:07

Complicated question.
Everytime there are more than 4 people involved there is trouble.
That is why Pakistan does not have more than 4 masters at one time. They keep the number hovering around the 3.5 mark.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Dec 2010 02:36

krithivas wrote:Honest question - What are female suicide bombers entitled to - Hourons?

if you were a female soosai bummer, wouldn't you want 72 of these Hurons?

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 18 Dec 2010 03:20

Note that this is an important method of recruitment of suicide bombers : organizing a rape (perhaps even in the garb of the qufr).

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 653088.ece

In a prison interview with the Associated Press — with interrogators nearby — she said that she helped to organise the rapes of young women and then stepped in to persuade the victims to become suicide bombers as their only escape from the shame.

There have been similar reports about Palestinian conflict.

Not only for girls :
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-11023.html

The Sun quotes Algerian militant Abu Baçir El Assimi: “The sexual act on young recruits aged between 16 to 19 was a means to urge them to commit suicide operations.” The paper claims that “intense social stigma and fear of more gay sex attacks leaves Muslims prepared to die.”

Rape and homosexual acts are punishable by death under Sharia law. A suspected terrorist bomber killed in an attempted attack on a security installation in the Tizi Ouzou province of Algeria last month may have been raped, an autopsy revealed.

Has Qasab been properly examined?

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 18 Dec 2010 03:23

Gagan wrote:Complicated question.
Everytime there are more than 4 people involved there is trouble.
That is why Pakistan does not have more than 4 masters at one time. They keep the number hovering around the 3.5 mark.

Common arithmetic says they must be turned into virgins. There is a hugely unbalanced sex-ratio in Jannat, 1:72.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Dec 2010 04:08

Kaffirani log dont understand , What female entity in Poak Loak ?
Onlee feminine game is K.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Dec 2010 05:59

krithivas wrote:Honest question - What are female suicide bombers entitled to - Hourons?

Houbaras?

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 18 Dec 2010 06:24

CIA man in Islamabad leaves as 'ISI exposes his Identity

WASHINGTON: The Central Intelligence Agency's top clandestine officer in Islamabad was pulled from the country on Thursday amid an escalating war of recriminations between American and Pakistani spies, with some American officials convinced that the officer's cover was deliberately blown by Pakistan's military intelligence agency.

The CIA officer hastily left Pakistan on the same day that an Obama administration review of the Afghanistan war concluded that the war could not be won without greater cooperation from Islamabad in rooting out militants in Pakistan's western mountains.

Read more: CIA man in Islamabad leaves as 'ISI exposes his identity' - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... z18QDg2dN0

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... ses-his-id

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 18 Dec 2010 08:11

^ but why?.... here is the reason

A senior U.S. official tells ABC News that the CIA station chief in Islamabad was "probably" outed by Pakistan's premiere spy agency, the I.S.I., in retaliation for a recent lawsuit filed in the United States that implicated the agency in the deadly Mumbai terror attacks in 2008. The lawsuit was filed in federal court in Brooklyn last month by the families of American victims of the Mumbai attacks, which were conducted by Pakistani extremists. The current and former I.S.I. chief have been summoned to testify.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cover-bl ... d=12426370

amit · Post by **amit** » 18 Dec 2010 09:13

Brad Goodman wrote:more on wiki

Kashmir on a platter!

Wikileaks are leaking away -- and the first batch of cables detailing India-Pak ties are making their way out. One cable points to India's growing frustration with Pakistan. Dated 27th November 2009 and marked confidential, it records the view of Joint Secy in the MEA Yash Sinha who currently handles the Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan desk.

Sinha is quoted as saying "even if India were to lop off Kashmir and hand it on a platter to Pakistan, they would still find a reason to make trouble for us."

This is BRF wisdom. The Mid-levels of MEA seem to be in good hands.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 18 Dec 2010 09:47

Xmas and New Year Bonanza

Pakistan: 50 Militants Killed in US Drone Attacks

US drones carried out an unprecedented three attacks on militant hideouts in the restive Khyber tribal region of northwest Pakistan today, with reports saying that over 50 militants were killed in the missile strikes.

Officials in the political administration of the semi-autonomous Khyber Agency told PTI nearly 30 militants, including Lashkar-e-Islam commander Ali Marjan alias Fauji, were killed in the strikes.

TV news channels put the death toll at 51.

The drones fired several missiles at three bases of the banned Lashkar-e-Islam group in Tirah area of Khyber Agency.

The three attacks were carried out within a space of hours. Several militants were also injured in the attacks, officials said.

The third strike, which targeted a Lashkar-e-Islam base at Sangana in Tirah Valley, was carried out following reports that the group's chief Mangal Bagh Afridi was present in the area, sources said.

This was only the second time since the drone attacks began in 2004 that unmanned spy planes attacked targets in Khyber Agency.

Seven militants were killed in the first missile strike in the region yesterday.

Local residents said they had seen drones flying over parts of Khyber Agency since the morning.

The spy planes continue to hover over the region after the attacks.

US drone attacks have largely focussed on the lawless Waziristan region bordering Afghanistan and attacks in other parts of the tribal belt have been rare.

The attacks in Khyber Agency assume significance as the region is located near Peshawar, the capital of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province.

Several militant groups, including the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan and Lashkar-e-Islam, are active in Khyber Agency, the main supply route for US and NATO forces in Afghanistan.

The militants regularly attack supply vehicles in Khyber Agency. Today's strike came a day after US President Barack Obama unveiled his new Afghan war strategy, asking Pakistan to do more against militants on its soil.

"Progress has not come fast enough, so we will continue to insist to Pakistani leaders that terrorist safe havens within their borders must be dealt with," Obama said at the White House while launching his first review of the US strategy for Afghanistan.

Observers interpreted the attacks in Khyber Agency as a sign that the US could expand drone strikes to other areas from Waziristan region.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 18 Dec 2010 10:06

Raghavendra wrote:Xmas and New Year Bonanza

Pakistan: 50 Militants Killed in US Drone Attacks

So Santa came early in the land of pure.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Dec 2010 10:42

krithivas wrote:Honest question - What are female suicide bombers entitled to - Hourons?

Krithivas, an honest answer. She gets *nothing*.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 18 Dec 2010 11:28

Here is the 4-part interview that Arnab conducted with terrorist Mush

http://www.timesnow.tv/Excl-Pakistan-lo ... 360695.cms

http://www.timesnow.tv/Excl-Pakistan-lo ... 360696.cms

http://www.timesnow.tv/Excl-Pakistan-lo ... 360696.cms

http://www.timesnow.tv/Excl-Pakistan-lo ... 360696.cms

I recall some posters were saying that Arnab "tears" into Mush. I am sorry, I have to disagree. Mush got away with bold-faced lies, and Arnab couldn't nail him. The most blatant was his comparison of Bangladesh with Kashmir. Plus, even a kid would have laughed off Mush's claim that TSPA has nothoing to do with LET crossing the LOC and creating mayhem in the valley, according to the b$%^&rd Mush, its the "people of TSP". And Arnab couldn't summon the simple common sense to tell him that if there was no state support, the "people of TSP" would have been shot dead like flies by the Indian army. There were any number of retorts that could have nailed Mush. Finally, what was that sucking up to Mush about visiting India? Thoo. All in all, I thought Mush got the better of Arnab, and once again he pulled off that rope trick.

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2010 11:36

CRamS wrote:Here is the 4-part interview that Arnab conducted with terrorist Mush

http://www.timesnow.tv/Excl-Pakistan-lo ... 360695.cms

http://www.timesnow.tv/Excl-Pakistan-lo ... 360696.cms

http://www.timesnow.tv/Excl-Pakistan-lo ... 360696.cms

http://www.timesnow.tv/Excl-Pakistan-lo ... 360696.cms

I recall some posters were saying that Arnab "tears" into Mush. I am sorry, I have to disagree. Mush got away with bold-faced lies, and Arnab couldn't nail him. The most blatant was his comparison of Bangladesh with Kashmir. Plus, even a kid would have laughed off Mush's claim that TSPA has nothoing to do with LET crossing the LOC and creating mayhem in the valley, according to the b$%^&rd Mush, its the "people of TSP". And Arnab couldn't summon the simple common sense to tell him that if there was no state support, the "people of TSP" would have been shot dead like flies by the Indian army. There were any number of retorts that could have nailed Mush. Finally, what was that sucking up to Mush about visiting India? Thoo. All in all, I thought Mush got the better of Arnab, and once again he pulled off that rope trick.

He can't 'nail him' or be seen to be 'nailing him'. He is a professional journalist and intends to take his career forward. If his seen to be nailing him, he won't get any more interviews.