Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 20 Dec 2010 00:39

^^ Subramaniam Swamy says Vadra asked Digvijay Singh to make those statements. You know he was given the podium today at the Plenary. All this is backed by Party high command. Its obvious. Scary designs.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Dec 2010 00:42

I read somewhere that Sonia Madam spoke her heart out to Amercian princess Maria Shriver. Has Sonia ever spoken her heart to an Indian journalist? Or for that matter what her adopted country means to her, her vision etc?

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 20 Dec 2010 00:56

Raghavendra wrote:
Cosmo_R wrote:The Bungling Janata Party is not really a political party anymore if it ever was. Even ABV prided himself as the "Last Congressman." Sadly, it has become a circular firing squad. That's just when they get organized. Usually, it's "Ready, Aim, Fire and shoot your toes off."

NaMo is the only one who's clued in but the rest of the BJP would rather undermine him than unite against the INC.

In short, you have a non-functioning parliamentary system because there is no opposition.

Here come the congress shills with their spins, BJP has consistenly beat congress in the elections on its performance and still kangress want to hide their head in sand and think BJP as a strong political party doesnt exist

Raghavendra^^^ Please read the comment carefully before you fire. The preferred sequence is ready, aim, fire. I would like to see a BJP win on the basis of a clearly defined ideology or position. I have no use for INC and its hangers on.

As to "pulao", let's see. 2004 was a surprise and so was 2009. The BJP could not even leverage 26/11 because it was incoherent and inarticulate. That is what I meant by "circular firing squad".

Shankk · Post by **Shankk** » 20 Dec 2010 01:00

abhischekcc wrote:Congress party's anti-Hindu colours are being shown. Those foreigner loving crustaceans think that 'Hindu' terror is more potent than muslim terror. But in reality, what has been exposed is the christian/western bias of those people who make such claims.

Rahul is christian.

Digvijay is Sonia's agent, he was her go between man with the naxals.

P Chidambaram has always been pro America.

All in all, we see that the christain lobby is now being forced to fight in the open. Earlier, this lobby (mistakenly called secularists) used to foment trouble between Hindus and Muslims, to divert attention of the Hindus from the mass scale conversion activities going on.

Now, with the muslim vote decimated and with no hope in the immediate future of them voting for congress, the christian lobby within that party has been forced to confront Hindus directly. This is the game that is going on. But instead of trying to take on Hinduism directly, they have been trying to frame the community in some or the other alleged crime.

It is not difficult to show the true nature of Christians but it a fault of Hindus in failure to do so.

It was Christians who enslaved people all over the planet and caused millions of death all the while telling people about Jesus Christ's teachings.

It was Christians and Christians alone in the entire history of human race who used nuclear weapons on innocent human beings all the while taking pride in Christian values. No other religion and their followers have ever done that so far.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Dec 2010 01:27

Swasti prajabhya paripala yantam
Nyayena margena maheem maheesah

Go-Brahmanebhyah shubhamastu nityam
Lokah samastah sukhino bhavantu.

Kale varshantu parjanyah
prithivi sashya shalini

Deshoyam kshoba rahitah
Brahmana santu nirbhaya

Om Sarve bhavantu sukhina
sarveve santu niramaya

Sarve bhdrani pashyantu
maa kaschit dukhabhagbhavet

Om shanti shanti shanti

Shankk · Post by **Shankk** » 20 Dec 2010 02:11

A_Gupta wrote:Funny. These "many analysts" also subscribe to the theory that Jinnah did not want Pakistan, it was just a bargaining ploy, and Pakistan was forced upon him.

Partition was a very classic stroke by the British. It was a master stoke not only in geopolitical sense but it created a massive wedge between Hindus and Muslims. It created an open wound only to be continuously festered by Pakistan which is actively being supported by British and the Christian WEST. Net effect? An open ground for Christianity so spread its tentacles in India with no competition from its major rival. They ensured that Hindus and Muslims are always at the clash thus wasting their energies on each other while Christianity stealthily spread without being noticed much.

It was really a wonderful move that paid really handsome results. Poor Islam is forced to rely on only means of spreading that is extreme procreation as they have been forced to be on defensive by the Church backed by colonial Christian powers.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Dec 2010 02:38

And Mahatma Gandhi's assassination created further division between the Hindus secular and non-secular.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 20 Dec 2010 02:47

Or represented as such to create such a division. There are always fools who think targeted elimination of a single individual can change course of history. Such fools however do not realize that they can only succeed if and only if powerful sections of the regime itself does cooperate or "allow" such eliminations to happen. This should be a lesson drilled into every aspiring uber-nationalist. Even if someone from your own uber-nationalist org is encouraging you to do so - almost immediately start thinking that this man or woman is actually a mole from the non-nationalist side - and they have their very own reasons to encourage you.

Only the hands of the assassin is seen not the head. The real heads are always protected by every system of justice.

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 20 Dec 2010 02:51

CRamS wrote:I read somewhere that Sonia Madam spoke her heart out to Amercian princess Maria Shriver. Has Sonia ever spoken her heart to an Indian journalist? Or for that matter what her adopted country means to her, her vision etc?

Yeah, she spoke her heart out for sure, after listening to her at the end of the conversion Maria shriver commented how "courageou"s She was for obvious reason. She did not reply to that but she said being a daughter of an Italian "statue smuggling" royalty, her parents were not in favour of her marriage with Rajiv Gandhi .

I think what she meant was, Rajiv was not qualified enough academically at least she was graduated from Cambridge in "cock tail serving " and a valid job in a Pakistani restaurant in London.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 20 Dec 2010 02:59

JE Menon wrote:>>I can't fathom what is forcing Rajmata and her masters to headbutt RSS?.

And what I can fathom even less is the gross stupidity of the BJP which has been given a golden opportunity on a platter by Rahul Gandhi. Instead of maximising on it, they've already gotten sidetracked into the corruption tamasha arising out of the Cong meeting.

Instead, what is the BJP doing now? It appears that sometimes, hell most often, our second largest party which could actually bring in a balanced nationalist perspective with a centre-right orientation, is its own worst enemy. Tragic.

Menon Sahib, i vaguely remember one of Kuldip Nayar's blogs about INC. According to him, INC is genuinely worried about the lack of a cohesive opponent, this means regional parties will gain strength not at BJP's cost but at INC's cost. Hence INC desires a strong,cohesive BJP than the broken figure it represents today. After ABV, BJP has no leaders who can hold the party together and rally against Congress.So Congress really cannot make BJP the 'fall guy' anymore.

Which is the next front that has a national representation,closer to the majority community and aligns with BJP ? It is Sangh Parivar ofcourse! RG/Digvijay's comments comes as no surprise to me. They will up the 'anti-Sangh Parivar' ante in the years to come to create a hollow but visible opponent.

Mauli · Post by **Mauli** » 20 Dec 2010 03:23

Congress insiders said Sonia’s move to stick to the old position, Rahul Gandhi’s decision to remain silent and let Digvijay go after the BJP-RSS was part of a carefully thought-out strategy to test the waters.

Since last evening, there have been many behind-the-scene deliberations on whether Rahul should himself go on the offensive or let Digvijay speak out. Finally, the conservative sections won the day, prompting Rahul to back out.

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Digvijay claimed the RSS had made its activists enter the bureaucracy, police and even the army.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1101220/j ... 323437.jsp

Congrats to Mupalla Ji

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Dec 2010 03:39

Shankk wrote:Partition was a very classic stroke by the British. It was a master stoke not only in geopolitical sense but it created a massive wedge between Hindus and Muslims.

I have a feeling that today's Hindu would not want a common nation with 19th century Hindus. Just to mention some trivialities - You would not be able to go abroad without a big fight over "losing your caste"; none of today's Bollywood movies would pass 19th century censorship (if it existed); even eating out would be a major undertaking. Then there was much more really serious stuff that was wrong.

The thing that Mussalmans did not realize is that the Hindu was and is changing very rapidly. The Mussalman is holding his nose against a Hindu that more or less does not exist any more.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Dec 2010 03:58

As much as its becoming obvious that there is well planned out assualt on RSS by Sonia & Co, and its getting truly viscous, I hope BJP/RSS don't retaliate aimlessly, just through raw emotions etc. They need to keep India's supreme national interests in mind. Any hair-brained attack on aam Muslims/Christians like what happened in Gujarat will only play directly into Sonia's hands, and the winners will be USA/TSP/China. Make no mistake about it. So as exasparrating and provocative as it is, BJP/RSS need to carefully think through how to deal with this frontal assault on them. There seems to be a game plan on the part of Sonia & Co. Interestingly, I haven't heard them say anything on Kashmir. I wonder if they will push for "azaadi" and then claim that somehow opposing that is RSS agenda and Nazisque. Lets wait & watch. If Sonia attempts any hanky panky on Kashmir, thats when BJP should go into overdrive. Hartals and mass strikes would be a good first step.

Forget taking on TSP anymore on Mumbai or anything else, whats at stake now is India.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Dec 2010 04:19

Mauli wrote:
Digvijay claimed the RSS had made its activists enter the bureaucracy, police and even the army.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1101220/j ... 323437.jsp
Congrats to Mupalla Ji

No! Digvijay is just repeating the standard Islamist line from his bully pulpit. There are far more church educated activists in these organisations - even Rahul Gandhi was educated in one such school (St. Columba's according to Wiki).

Mauli · Post by **Mauli** » 20 Dec 2010 04:29

^^^ My congrats were for being spot on about Chankya system

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 20 Dec 2010 04:49

I know what you were getting at. The Chankya system is nothing but another name for what the Islamists have been grousing about for a long time. Which is that all of India's agencies are filled with RSS activists. Given the size of the RSS, sure they may well be, but how is that different from India's agencies being full of INC activists.

This is standard issue Islamist propaganda that's made its way into some Western sources. Even the Pakistani invasion of Kashmir in 1947 is attributed as retaliation for atrocities perpetrated by the RSS on Kashmiris. By this reasoning, all GoI's since then, including PMs like Nehru must have been RSS activists.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 20 Dec 2010 04:53

CRamS wrote:As much as its becoming obvious that there is well planned out assualt on RSS by Sonia & Co, and its getting truly viscous, I hope BJP/RSS don't retaliate aimlessly, just through raw emotions etc. They need to keep India's supreme national interests in mind. Any hair-brained attack on aam Muslims/Christians like what happened in Gujarat will only play directly into Sonia's hands, and the winners will be USA/TSP/China. Make no mistake about it. So as exasparrating and provocative as it is, BJP/RSS need to carefully think through how to deal with this frontal assault on them. There seems to be a game plan on the part of Sonia & Co. Interestingly, I haven't heard them say anything on Kashmir. I wonder if they will push for "azaadi" and then claim that somehow opposing that is RSS agenda and Nazisque. Lets wait & watch. If Sonia attempts any hanky panky on Kashmir, thats when BJP should go into overdrive. Hartals and mass strikes would be a good first step.

Forget taking on TSP anymore on Mumbai or anything else, whats at stake now is India.

Well what if they have already thought of actually saying that they have to give up Kashmir Valley on a platter to Islamists because of RSS and BJP, whose activities have traumatized Muslims of the valley so much so that only total appeasement of separatists is the only way left. That way the objective of appeasement is satisfied without taking any balme and painting the political competitor black all at the same time.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 20 Dec 2010 05:00

>>Has Sonia ever spoken her heart to an Indian journalist?

Yes, in a long interview to Barkha Dutt on NDTV... Last year I think. Watched it myself. Quite ordinary. She is lucky to have married the son of Indira Gandhi. Otherwise, the chances of her becoming the chief of the ruling party in India would have been rather slim.

AbhishekD · Post by **AbhishekD** » 20 Dec 2010 05:28

BJP/RSS should certainly not react to this frontal assault right now. It is a diversionary tactics and the people of India do not care for these attacks. It is a desperate measure and shows a certain level of pre 90's politics back on the Indian political scene. It will be nice that BJP does a service to Indian politics by not falling into this doggy/diggy politics and move forward to work for the people of India.

BJP should pin congress down on corruption and governance issues. BJP has states such as Bihar, gujarat, chattisgarh and MP where they are doing really well. All the congress ruled states are in a mess. Most congress CM's are puppets and Ministers under assault from the congress party. The party could not provide any vision for its government except some rhetoric about AAM AAdmi. People in India dont care for the homilies directed at RSS/BJP. There will be a time to take revenge but lets build the right wing movement in India instead of getting distracted by this misdirected attack

Mauli · Post by **Mauli** » 20 Dec 2010 05:29

Time for a thread on Hindu terrorism.

AbhishekD · Post by **AbhishekD** » 20 Dec 2010 05:31

^^^ Time to analyze why Hindu terrorism has become so important for INC

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 20 Dec 2010 05:35

Mauli wrote:
Digvijay claimed the RSS had made its activists enter the bureaucracy, police and even the army.

Congrats to Mupalla Ji

Maybe someone from INC is reading BRF

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 20 Dec 2010 05:43

Guys, I wrote certain things like this similar but not so similar a very very long time back in Mumbai blasts thread but deleted immediately. I did not write anything that is not in the public domain. Only thing I did was gave a name and compiled the stuff together so that mango-aadmi can understand.
The things that happened in the last few days was the matter moved from blogs and chatter to mainstream media. We have to see and analyze the future. It can be either successful or disasterous depending on which side you are. I am an optimist

vera_k, it is not same as what you are writing/thinking. It is totally different and that is the frustration for Diggy types. We will know more as things change.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 20 Dec 2010 05:51

I wish N3 is back atleast on this topic of Hindu terrorism. We used to have a dedicated thread for Malegaon investigation. it became tooo much like spin and CT and hence got deleted/locked. That is so relevant today and I don't think we are all are ready yet for such a discussion. Some more things are needed to come to public domain before we have some links to discuss.

As a summary here is my simple take:-
(1) NDA government created a sleeper-cell-busting secret force that encompasses many orgs. Hindu orgs may have a minimal role in such a force
(2) UPA-1 decided to close it but as it appears the closure did not occur per their plan or wished.
(3) UPA-1 wanted to turn the closure operation into advantage to get full advantage of Muslim votes back to its glorious 1980s era. Though closure was unsuccessful the later apeasement got expected returns.
(4) This success is leading to request for more similar actions by Digvijay. However Chidu is not willing and home ministry is not willing and that is battle which we are witnessing.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 20 Dec 2010 06:20

This will get CRAMS going:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/201 ... Inline.jpg

article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/20/world ... ia.html?hp

MMS is doing what exactly?

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 20 Dec 2010 07:19

Digvijay likens BJP-RSS to Nazis, blames Advani

New Delhi: Senior Congress leader Digvijay Singh on Sunday launched a fierce attack against Hindutva groups, comparing the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh's "hatred" of Muslims to that harboured by the Nazis towards the Jews and claimed that the "roots of terrorism" in India lay in BJP leader LK Advani's controversial 1990 Rath Yatra.

"In the 1930s, Hitler's Nazi party attacked the Jews. Similarly, the RSS ideology wants to capture power by targeting Muslims under the garb of furthering nationalism," Digvijay Singh said at the Congress plenary session in New Delhi.

The Congress general secretary alleged that the RSS had managed to "infiltrate" its cadres into many wings of the government like the bureaucracy, police and the army.

"The Malegoan blast, in which two army officers are accused, has proved that they have even started influencing people inside the army."

He said the RSS was "sowing the seeds of Muslim hatred" in the minds of the new generation through 'Shishu Mandir' schools and described it as the "the biggest danger for us".

The former Madhya Pradesh chief minister said the rise of the RSS-BJP "ideology of violence and hatred" posed the "biggest challenge" before the nation.

Singh, while seconding the political resolution moved by Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee at the 83rd Congress plenary, said the BJP was "sowing the seeds of division" among the Hindus and Muslims and blamed Advani's Rath Yatra for giving birth to terrorism in India.

Singh also asked "why all people involved in various bombings like Malegaon, Mecca Masjid and Samjhauta Express had links with" the RSS.

Singh said that the "demolition of the Babri Masjid, the martyrdom of the Babri Masjid is the darkest patch in the history of India. The roots of terrorism in India lie in BJP leader LK Advani's rath yatra. That yatra created a gulf between Hindus and Muslims of India."

According to the Congress' political resolution, secularism, the lifeline of Indian democracy "is threatened by the ideology of the BJP and its affiliate organisations like the RSS". "The RSS and the VHP are insidious in their effort to break India."

He said when the BJP maintained that all Muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims, "can we apply the same logic and say that all Hindus are not terrorists but all Hindu terrorists arrested in various blast cases are RSS activists".

The Congress leader said the nation needs to take steps to convert into trust the mistrust in the minds of Muslim brothers.

He said the Congress had demanded a Central Bureau of Investigation probe into RSS activist Sunil Joshi's murder who "is the same person involved in many terror acts".

"I know (Joshi) because I am from MP. His name has come up during the investigations of the Samjhauta Express blast, Malegaon blast, Mecca Masjid blast, Ajmer Sharif blast... Why is it that all the accused in these terror acts have links with the RSS," he asked.

"Many of them have been arrested... They are all RSS activists," he added.

He congratulated Home Minister P Chidambaram for handing over the Joshi murder case to the National Investigation Agency (NIA).

Singh went on to accuse the BJP leaders of being at the bottom of twin scams - the 2G spectrum and the Commonwealth Games - that have dented the image of the Manmohan Singh government.

On BJP's corruption allegations, Singh said the roots of the 2G spectrum allocation scam originated under the BJP rule when the late Pramod Mahajan was telecom minister. It was under Mahajan's tenure that allocations of spectrum were made on first-come-first-served basis as against the prevailing auction of circles, he said.

He said the BJP's demand for a joint parliamentary committee probe into the 2008 spectrum allocation was "only to delay the ongoing investigations" by the Central Bureau of Investigation, Income Tax officials and the Enforcement Directorate.

Congress president Sonia Gandhi and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh were seated on the dias when Digvijay Singh spoke. There was huge applause from many delegates during his speech.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 20 Dec 2010 07:35

X-post from intelligence

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-emba ... nts/180760
Cable about reactions of 26/11

reading the above cable, gives me goosebumps .

i) There are people called PolCouns and Poloff, who have heavy connections with the inside of the govt and possibly handlers.
ii) searched for PolCouns on google. All are references to India's wiki leaks cables. I am guessing it to be a psuedonym for a handler.
iii) Searched for Poloff, it is the last name of a well connected US family/is a name of position in US embassy.
iv) According to my interpretation of XXXXXXXX's, there are atleast two spies of US in very high places whose reports have been consolidated into this particular report. More analysis as of now is not possible as these XXXXXXX's are computer generated and not blanked out portions, so as to compare sizes.
v) The culture of spies in congress continues unabated. Ref: 12c

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Dec 2010 07:36

Doggyraja's bark is proof thet resistence is alive and doing the job. The fears of family are the fears of Congress and they are trying to turn them into national fears . We must recall that small whisper in Rajmatron 's ears made her rescind PMship at the last minute. Armed forces have successfuly resisted the comminalism in its rank and now is the civilians doing same . But , more worrying the lack of actaul intellectual activism in BJP or other indic forces to bury Congress in their self digged grave.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 20 Dec 2010 07:48

Polcouns = Politcal Counselor
Poloff = Political Officer

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 20 Dec 2010 08:39

brihaspati wrote:JEM's criticism of the BJP is appropriate. BJP is not reacting fast enough on multiple fronts of verbal debate and conflict. I can see some sense in not responding to Digvijay Singh to give hime more importance than due. But not immediately bring up a press conference and lay down a comparative list of "terrors" - the timelines of starting of terror - the Maoist terror and Jihadi terror timeline both of which stretches right from 1947-48, is and was a serious lapse of media management. Rahul is not just any digvijay Singh, and whether BJP ignores him or not doesn't matter because the Congress has no other option than bringing him forward.

brihaspati ji, BJP not fast reacting or BJP not capitalizing may have certain reasons. Fundamentally they have the example of post 26/11 reactions. What happened in post 26/11 and during 2009 elections is simple, the more BJP talks about terror and related issues, the polarization also is more. What that means is that all the muslim voters vote to just one party. The urban middle class hindu voters of this generation (disco/pub gen) are not interested in this slug fest of debates of terror and POTA etc. That is where MMS and Rahul gained max mileage.

This entire Digvijay and Rahul opps are in the context of future UP elections. They are planning to repeat the past success by trapping BJP into this step. All it needs is a Varun Gandhi and Rajnath Singh type reactionary western UP leader. BJP better control the tounges of these folks and not utter any un-necessary statements.

I do not know if you are following the ground in UP these days. Probably you may not be hearing the voice of Amar Singh after he left SP. This fellow is a mole of INC and he is quitely working. He created a party called Peace party but he is not part of it. It is Muslims only party and did very impressively in the last five by-elections. In fact in all the elections it came either second or third but way above congress and also SP. Either BSP or Kalyan Singh's parties won the seats. Amar Singh probably may be trying to broker to make this peace party as an alliance partner with either SP or INC. It all depends upon who bids Amar Singh better. In addition it seems Thakur Digvijay Singh and Thakur Amar Singh are working to bring atleast Thakurs on one place so that they can do a Thakur+Muslim combo which could be a winning force in a fractured situation where even 20% of votes can fetch a seat.

BJP's game plan it to ensure the 18% getting split across SP, INC, Peace and probably BSP while bringing in Uma Bharati and have some understanding with Kalyan Singh. OBC+Bania+some Brahmin is their formula. BSP is purely Dalit+Some Brahmin. All in all it is possible that SP can become Yadav only. This is going to be almost same as Laloo's fate.

Taking all these factors into consideration and also "once bitten twice shy" stand, BJP is on a perceived realistic appraoch. They are not taking the bait.

I don't know if they are right or wrong but that is strategy that is visible.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 20 Dec 2010 08:43

Rangudu wrote:Polcouns = Politcal Counselor
Poloff = Political Officer

Rangudu Sir,

i) Can you explain the difference between the two
ii) Why is Polcouns mentioned in the internet only with respect to Indian wiki leaks cables.

Even my first guess were the same and so searched in the other cables and internet for the same.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 20 Dec 2010 08:54

Good editorial from DNA...rahul-gandhi-is-playing-the-old-divisive-game

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 20 Dec 2010 09:25

WikiLeaks: China's Politburo a cabal of business empires

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 20 Dec 2010 09:50

Cosmo_R wrote:Raghavendra^^^ Please read the comment carefully before you fire. The preferred sequence is ready, aim, fire. I would like to see a BJP win on the basis of a clearly defined ideology or position. I have no use for INC and its hangers on.

As to "pulao", let's see. 2004 was a surprise and so was 2009. The BJP could not even leverage 26/11 because it was incoherent and inarticulate. That is what I meant by "circular firing squad".

BJP won using ideology of development for all which opposes congress ideology of divisiveness. congress follows british divide and rule policy. They divided hindus into OBC, BC, FC, this is the first time in the world that any political party has intervened into an religion and created new castes and then used them as votebanks to win rigged elections. Congress should be ashamed of this but sonia calls this its development agenda,

this is due to her lack of education, congress should enroll sonia for IGNOU classes.

Congress has given nothing to India in its last 50 years of rule and has nothing to offer in the future.

Good that BJP didnt use 26/11 terrorist attack as a political weapon, it has its development agenda to earn votes, dont need partisan terror politics to damage the country which the duffer rahul and his chamca digivijay dont understand.

congress president sonia gandhi suffers from cognitive dissonance, asks congress to fight corruption forgetting her shameful role in Bofors scam. If congress had really confronted corruption sonia would be in jail today sharing her cell with ltte nalini.

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 20 Dec 2010 09:58

Prem wrote:Doggyraja's bark is proof thet resistence is alive and doing the job. The fears of family are the fears of Congress and they are trying to turn them into national fears . We must recall that small whisper in Rajmatron 's ears made her rescind PMship at the last minute. Armed forces have successfuly resisted the comminalism in its rank and now is the civilians doing same . But , more worrying the lack of actaul intellectual activism in BJP or other indic forces to bury Congress in their self digged grave.

The fears of the family inspiring the security perception and giving direction in shaping up the policies of GOI in disguise,at least few recent GOI actions indicates that-1) introducing travel restrictions on sizeable Sikh Diaspora from abroad(anti-Sikh riots grievances) 2) Tamils (LTTE)(Hindu terror) boogie men RSS,VHP .

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Dec 2010 09:59

Rahul Baba's rants to US ambassador is part of the INC's thinking it seems. My goodness, here is INC resolutions against "Hindu terror". There is not even mention of TSP terror, no Mumbai. Wow. This is turning day into night and vice versa. I mean, even if one were so idealistic to treat all kinds of terror on par, I would think that any right thinking person will have a sense of proportion; I mean to even compare TSP's relentless use of Isalmic terror, with a few acts of so called "Hindu terror" would be out of proportion, but to suggest that "Hindu terror" out weighs TSP terror in terms of threat to national security is a colossal, grotesque, perverted invention of a narrative that simply does not exist. Whom are they trying to impress? USA? Are they trying to impress and beg the Kiyani/Paasha/Saeed etc for peace through this self flagellation? Its truly mind boggling.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Dec 2010 10:11

As expected, TSP is celebrating the invention of "Hindu terror".

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Dec 2010 10:20

Arjunm,
Its old congress committment to their foreign master given in 47 that they will work hard to not let any Dharmic force in India to strengthen the civilizational aspect of Indian society. All the irrational outbursts and actions stemps from this factor . They need to justify their existence and stay in power to the interlocutors of foreign powers. Its no mystery that Congressi high command always have issues with both Hindus and Sikhs.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 20 Dec 2010 10:24

CRamS wrote:Rahul Baba's rants to US ambassador is part of the INC's thinking it seems. My goodness, here is INC resolutions against "Hindu terror". There is not even mention of TSP terror, no Mumbai. Wow. This is turning day into night and vice versa. I mean, even if one were so idealistic to treat all kinds of terror on par, I would think that any right thinking person will have a sense of proportion; I mean to even compare TSP's relentless use of Isalmic terror, with a few acts of so called "Hindu terror" would be out of proportion, but to suggest that "Hindu terror" out weighs TSP terror in terms of threat to national security is a colossal, grotesque, perverted invention of a narrative that simply does not exist. Whom are they trying to impress? USA? Are they trying to impress and beg the Kiyani/Paasha/Saeed etc for peace through this self flagellation? Its truly mind boggling.

It is more like working together than impressing. West may have need to balance Islamic terror with another terror and they need media fodder and soundbites. So this terror is double bullet for both domestic need for Congress and international need for other countries. India is a banana Republic and a colony.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 20 Dec 2010 10:47

BJP Targets Cong over graft, skirts 'saffron' terror

http://epaper.indianexpress.com/IE/IEH/ ... tml?Mode=1

JE Menon wrote: And what I can fathom even less is the gross stupidity of the BJP which has been given a golden opportunity on a platter by Rahul Gandhi. Instead of maximising on it, they've already gotten sidetracked into the corruption tamasha arising out of the Cong meeting.

I think it follows from the fact that people just care for economic growth.
Evidence: (a) UPA won after 26/11 (and BJP did talk about terrorism and other issues at that time). (b) BJP won in Bihar with Nitish where they just talked about development.

Whether this is a good phenomenon or not is a different question.