Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

munna · Post by **munna** » 23 Dec 2010 21:40

You have asked multiple questions and hope this has something to take home

VikasRaina wrote:Can someone tell me how constituting JPC would help resolve this 2G scam ?

Under the current Constitution of India Legislature trumps all other organs of the government in its ability to overrule and execute its decisions. By virtue of its powers it is the ultimate source of legitimacy for the state. A committee or more precisely a Joint Parliamentary Committee (JPC) is a very potent body in terms of powers and privileges it has. Hence it will be a platform (to probe) more potent than courts or investigative agencies who have very limited mandate to investigate.

Typical response to above lines would be big deal? Huh? So...? And the point being?

Well to carry it forward let me quote the Constitution of India (yes the very document our thought police refuses to read or even care about as long as they can save the country from spaghetti monster).

Art.105 (3)

In other respects, the powers, privileges and immunities of each House of Parliament, and of the members and the committees of each House, shall be such as may from time to time be defined by Parliament by law, and, until so defined, 1[shall be those of that House and of its members and committees immediately before the coming into force of section 15 of the Constitution (Forty-fourth Amendment) Act, 1978.

The committees of the house or parliament have all the immunities or the powers of the parliament as delegated to them. Now the committees of the house are of two types (a) Standing Committee (b) Ad-Hoc ones. The Standing Committees are the permanent committees created for specific tasks and mandated with specific powers. All financial committees like the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) headed by Mr MM Joshi are Standing Committees. The Prime Minister had cleverly told the nation that he will appear before the PAC and sought to create an image that he was amenable to a parliamentary probe.
However this is as far from truth as purelanders being true arabs! The PAC is limited in its mandate to ONLY go through public accounts of the processes being probed and has no powers to summon an officer above the level Secretary to Government of India. The JPC on the other hand will not only have the powers to summon the PM himself (including any official of the PMO) it will also carry administrative powers to direct investigative agencies to divulge information. Further to that its report will be a public submission to the houses concerned on the floor of respective houses. Hence everything will on record and nothing will be lost in the maze of babucracy. In short a verdict of "guilty" from JPC on the floor of the house will make it impossible for the scamsters to go scot free.

VikasRaina wrote:What exactly are they going to unearth when all of them are naked in this bath tub ? Another day on office shouting slogans and not letting parliament work. Wonder why MMS and his cohorts are so scared. Constitute JPC and every one goes back home happy and satisfied.

I am really not into Rahul M(ehta) like CTs but clearly in this case the denial of JPC by this government leaves much to be desired and infact raises suspicion regarding certain high offices of the nation. Mark it, without a JPC the government will easily subvert all investigative processes, with an invisible MiniTru working overnight to help the scamsters JPC is the only way out. There is no point in having a parliament if it cannot investigate a scam of galactic proportions. Actually we must be asking the GOI to let parliament do its job and constitute the JPC. Not the other way round as the MiniTru desires us to think...

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 23 Dec 2010 21:57

Can the JPC summon Rajamata and Yuvaraj?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Dec 2010 22:02

If they are MPs. And they are.

munna · Post by **munna** » 23 Dec 2010 22:03

RamaY wrote:Can the JPC summon Rajamata and Yuvaraj?

Theoretically yes, but there has to be some prima facie justification for that. The committee will be a joint one with MPs from both sides and hence opposition will be lynched if they come across as vindictive buffoons. PM and his office have a clear cut and documented runtime in this drama hence they will be easily summoned without any public brouhaha.
In short theoretically yes but practically there is no case of corruption against those offices as of now. No need to rake up muck without solid evidence.

ashokpachori · Post by **ashokpachori** » 23 Dec 2010 22:14

RamaY wrote:Can the JPC summon Rajamata and Yuvaraj?

Even the PM is within this ambit.

"There is nobody who cannot be called. If Bill Clinton could be called by a parliamentary committee and if British Prime Minister could come....What is wrong in inviting our head of the government to explain," CPI leader Gurudas Dasgupta said.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 23 Dec 2010 22:27

RamaY wrote:
vera_k wrote: MMS is not going to fight another election. Plus, like it or not, MMS is the best PM INC has produced so far. There was an article some time ago about how an out of touch Rajiv Gandhi wanted to build malls and what not, but MMS stood firm. So he seems to have made the best of the hand he was dealt.
Too much BS is injurious to health. MMS was not in politics when Rajiv Gandhi was around.

This is what I was referring to. MMS was deputy chairman of the planning commission.

In his first meeting of the Planning Commission, after we had completed our presentation, Rajiv Gandhi stated that he did not agree with our approach to the plan and wanted it to be recast completely. He shared his vision with us to lead India into the twenty-first century as a fully developed nation.

He wanted us to plan for the construction of autobahns, airfields, speedy trains, shopping malls and entertainment centres of excellence, big housing complexes, modern hospitals and healthcare centres.

He held forth in this way for the next half-an-hour and concluded his speech with a grin, suggesting that we should change our mindset in drafting the seventh Five Year Plan.

In the next meeting of the Planning Commission, the soft-spoken Dr Singh deliberated at length on the negative economic indicators prevalent in the country, which could not be ignored for providing relief in any future plan.

Within six months, we finalized the draft plan with the Prime Minister's approval. High suggestions were taken into account by increasing the provision of the development of national highways, improvement of airports and urban infrastructure.

By this time the Prime Minister had leant the magnitude of rural distress in the country through his frequent visits to rural areas. The plan finally approved for presentation before the National Development Council (NDC) contained all the key elements directed against poverty and hunger, as originally suggested by us.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 23 Dec 2010 22:44

^

Apologies Vera_K ji.

So
* during 1984-89 MMS recommended anti-poverty policy as the deputy chairman of planing commission.
* during 1991-96 the same MMS spearheaded economic liberalization as the finance minister of India

what is MMS's value addition between 2004-2010 as the PM of India?

praksam · Post by **praksam** » 24 Dec 2010 00:21

Sonia Gandhi and the hidden trail

http://expressbuzz.com/opinion/op-ed/so ... 33507.html

The Indian media has begun even doubting Manmohan Singh’s integrity — mental, at least — as he must have been knowing for nearly two years that the Indian exchequer was defrauded of `1.76 lakh crores. But so far, Sonia Gandhi has been spared.

Yet, if you are an observer of Indian politics, as I have been, since I landed back in India in the early ’Sixties, you have to come to the conclusion that most of the funds of scams end up in the coffers of political parties, particularly of the Congress.

Meanwhile, all roads seem to lead to Sonia Gandhi: she is the first Lady of India, although she is a simple MP like hundreds of others, the ultimate arbiter, and nothing of importance is decided without her caveat. The immense power she wields within the Congress cannot be only due to her charisma, of her having the Gandhi name or having brought cohesion in the Congress.

It is also, and perhaps mainly, because she holds the purse strings of tremendous amounts of money. These party funds are overt: all the foundations, Rajiv, Indira, Nehru, etc, which store thousands of crores; and covert, starting with the Bofors scam. Where are the secret bank accounts where the scam money is stored? Under whose names are they operated? How is the money brought back to India? Who will answer all these questions?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 24 Dec 2010 00:50

In one of the threads, I asked if Rajmata and Yuvaraj can be questioned by JPC.

Perhaps they can be questioned on the decision to make Raja the telecom minister to start with and the role of Radiagate in influencing the decision including diggy raja and gulam nabi.

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 24 Dec 2010 01:37

RamaY wrote:In one of the threads, I asked if Rajmata and Yuvaraj can be questioned by JPC.

Perhaps they can be questioned on the decision to make Raja the telecom minister to start with and the role of Radiagate in influencing the decision including diggy raja and gulam nabi.

If they genuinely focused on money trail and find the connection of Nadia and Anushkhahas's foot print and have the guts to put those findings in Public, then it must put the ball rolling in that directions-

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 24 Dec 2010 04:20

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... a-republic

Well written and thought provoking...

The PM of a Banana Republic?
When did it become more important for a Prime Minister to assuage ‘corporate nervousness’ than to address ‘national nervousness’?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Dec 2010 06:19

PP guy ruminates on the implications of the scam:
http://www.politicsparty.com/spectrum_scam.php

Interesting that the scam has Central and some regional powers. What is also interesting is those who are not involved.

amit · Post by **amit** » 24 Dec 2010 07:07

praksam wrote:Sonia Gandhi and the hidden trail

http://expressbuzz.com/opinion/op-ed/so ... 33507.html

The Indian media has begun even doubting Manmohan Singh’s integrity — mental, at least — as he must have been knowing for nearly two years that the Indian exchequer was defrauded of `1.76 lakh crores. But so far, Sonia Gandhi has been spared.

Yet, if you are an observer of Indian politics, as I have been, since I landed back in India in the early ’Sixties, you have to come to the conclusion that most of the funds of scams end up in the coffers of political parties, particularly of the Congress.

Meanwhile, all roads seem to lead to Sonia Gandhi: she is the first Lady of India, although she is a simple MP like hundreds of others, the ultimate arbiter, and nothing of importance is decided without her caveat. The immense power she wields within the Congress cannot be only due to her charisma, of her having the Gandhi name or having brought cohesion in the Congress.

It is also, and perhaps mainly, because she holds the purse strings of tremendous amounts of money. These party funds are overt: all the foundations, Rajiv, Indira, Nehru, etc, which store thousands of crores; and covert, starting with the Bofors scam. Where are the secret bank accounts where the scam money is stored? Under whose names are they operated? How is the money brought back to India? Who will answer all these questions?

Interesting. We - and ExpressBuzz - need an Australian Radio journalist to tell us something which even the BJP is chary of saying directly.

Here's a Google dump on John Maclithon and Sonia Gandhi.

He's supposed to have written a book called Hindutva Sex Adventure. That should be interesting reading.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 24 Dec 2010 09:00

VikasRaina wrote:Can someone tell me how constituting JPC would help resolve this 2G scam ?
What exactly are they going to unearth when all of them are naked in this bath tub ? Another day on office shouting slogans and not letting parliament work. Wonder why MMS and his cohorts are so scared.
Constitute JPC and every one goes back home happy and satisfied.

JPC will not reduce corruption by even 1%. Nor would any money come back. But if JPC comes, then PM/Rajmata will have to bribe some 25-30 MPs of JPC. Every MP in JPC will ask for ton of flesh. Every JPC-member will threaten MMS/Rajmata --- gimme Rs 500 cr or else I will make a press statement that 'we found evidences that MMS/Rajmata took Rs 10000 cr of bribe each' blah blah blah. JPC will put fish market to shame. Even Congress MPs in JPC will not spare this golden opportunity to extort cash from MMS\Sonia. All in all, if JPC comes, MMS\Sonia will end up losing at least Rs 30000 cr of money to JPC MPs. Instead search by two pet SCjs will cost a lot lot less. Also, if JPC comes, JPC can ask to increase the scope to cover CWG and a dozen other scams. If each of the JPC-MP starts digging on 24*7 basis with no rest for his own selfish gains, too many skeletons will fly all around and will come in raw public display.

In any case, I support JPC because we citizens have nothing to lose in JPC. If Sonia, MMS etc lose, so be it.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 24 Dec 2010 09:03

archan wrote:....And Rahul Mehta, your continuous allegations (without backing them up) against the PM and all others whom you don't like are getting old. We have given them space here in the name of allowing some free speech so far. No more. It is old. Any more of your drivel and I will make sure you don't post on BRF ever again.

In a different thread,

disha wrote:I read somewhere, unable to pull the link, the licenses were 35% more in nov. compared to oct. of the same year and more than 60% compared to last year for the same month. So how much Pawar made money? Was he vacationing in Lavasa?

So is it OK to make un-backed-up allegations of corruption against Pawar, given that making un-backed-up allegations against MMS is banned on BR?

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Disha,

Nothing against you. I support what you said. Keep it up. Thanks.

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disha · Post by **disha** » 24 Dec 2010 09:55

Rahul Mehta wrote:In a different thread,
disha wrote:I read somewhere, unable to pull the link, the licenses were 35% more in nov. compared to oct. of the same year and more than 60% compared to last year for the same month. So how much Pawar made money? Was he vacationing in Lavasa?
So is it OK to make un-backed-up allegations of corruption against Pawar, given that making un-backed-up allegations against MMS is banned on BR?

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Disha,

Nothing against you. I support what you said. Keep it up. Thanks.

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Rahulbhai, chinta na karta. Mane khabar che ke tamaru angrezi thodu kamzor che. Upar na shabdo maan choku kidhu che ke manen 60% vara news jadta nathin. Lage che ke tamara kongi bhai lokoen website parthi utari leedhin che.

Tame che ne ek kam saru karo cho pan tamari Conspiracy theory vadhare padti karo cho. Ekle tamaru koi sambhdtu nathin. Jara CT ochi karo and vicharo vadhare. Akhi manas jaat gandhi nathin.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 24 Dec 2010 11:03

Thank-you Munna ji and Rahul ji for the explanation.

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 24 Dec 2010 12:01

From http://expressbuzz.com/nation/upa-not-t ... 29377.html:

Source said, an angry Sonia Gandhi was quite firm on not giving anymore space to the opposition...

In other words: "I am too scared of being pulled in front of the JPC. I mean so far I have had such a comfy existence behind the public gaze and to hell with everything else, I will make damn sure that I can continue to call the shots in comfy shadows behind public gaze and that too without any accountability.

... which she felt was demanding one standard from the Centre, while enforcing quite another for their own state governments.

Correct. Its not about public and banana national interest, but about my right to indulge in corruption on an equal opportunity basis with the rest of the corrupt crowd. As long as I have have an equal opportunity to corruption, to hell with what is important to the country.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Dec 2010 12:22

The rot is so deep that the Congress "tree" is in danger of falling.A JPC is a just demand and must be allowed.The longer that Dr.Singh,an "honourable man" (so was Brutus) prevaricates on the issue,the feeling that is sweeping across the country is that he has presided over the largest organised looting of any country in the last several centuries,well knowing what has been happening.If he is so "clean" and has "nothing to hide",as Nixon famously said, "I am not a crook",Dr.Clean should be the first person willing to have a JPC that will also examine events from NDA times!

Why is he then running so scared? To come back to his quote about "Caesar's wife"....

Anyway,he and his party are in such sh*t right now that only the Pakis perpetrating another terror attack will move his scamful govt. off the front pages

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 24 Dec 2010 15:25

To just revisit about JPCs. Only 4 so far have been constituted and has varying results, ranging from marginally useful to completely useless. Please follow the link..
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/jpc-p ... e/713146/0

What happens if the term of a Lok Sabha expires before a JPC completes its work?
When a committee is unable to complete its work before the expiry of its term or before the dissolution of the Lok Sabha, it reports that fact to the House. In such cases, any preliminary report, memorandum or note that may have been prepared by the committee is made available to the succeeding committee. (if any)

What are the powers of a JPC?
Ministers are not generally called by the committees to give evidence. However, in case of the Irregularities in Securities and Banking Transactions probe again, an exception was made, with the JPC, with the permission of the Speaker, seeking information on certain points from ministers and calling Ministers of Finance and Health and Family Welfare.

How many JPCs have been there till date? What have been their findings? Has anyone been convicted by them?
There have been only four investigative JPCs so far.

The first was instituted to inquire into the Bofors contrac.... Opposition parties boycotted the committee on the ground that it was packed with Congress members. The JPC report was tabled in Parliament, but it was rejected by the Opposition.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Dec 2010 16:01

India's taint of corruption spreads as sacked minister faces questioning
Opposition senses weakness as costly scandals pile up in coalition government's second year

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/de ... -coalition

A former government minister linked to India's biggest corruption scam is to be questioned by government investigators tomorrow in the latest twist in the scandal gripping the nation.

Questioning by the Central Bureau of Investigation of Andimuthu Raja, the former telecoms minister dismissed for his role in allocating 2G mobile phone technology licenses nearly three years ago, is unlikely to bring relief to the beleaguered ruling United Progressive Alliance coalition, led by the Congress party.

Opposition parties have blocked parliament and brought tens of thousands of protesters on to the streets, sensing that the government, in the second year of a five-year term, has been seriously weakened by the scandals revealed in recent months.

The so-called 2G scam, which may have cost the exchequer up to £25bn, is one of half a dozen corruption allegations currently laid against senior government figures.

Now the leadership of prime minister Manmohan Singh, a 77-year-old economist with a reputation for financial competence, is being questioned.

Other scandals involving senior Congress party figures included the appropriation of flats meant for war widows by senior soldiers and bureaucrats in Mumbai and suspected wrongdoing concerning allocation of contracts for the Commonwealth Games, held in Delhi in October. Also dominating headlines are apparent efforts by a lobbyist working for business interests to influence ministerial appointments – revealed through leaked phone taps.

Scores of other scams, ranging from schemes to embezzle subsidies for the destitute to corruption in bodies licensing pilots who go on to work for domestic airlines, have also been revealed in recent weeks.

Though often unrelated to government figures – one scandal in Karnataka state allegedly involves politicians from the opposition Bharatiya Janata party – they have added to the perception that corruption has become rife in public life. Brahma Chellaney, a respected analyst and academic, wrote in The Hindu newspaper that though India confronts several pressing national security threats "only one of them – political corruption – poses an existential threat to the state".

Surging food prices are also a problem for the government, particularly with a series of state elections due from the late spring.

At demonstrations this week many participants, including women and children, wore onion garlands in protest after retail onion prices more than doubled in the past week to 80 rupees (£1.15) a kg. "This is the exhibition of public anger, the beginning of a large nationwide protest against corruption and inflation," BJP spokesman Prakash Javdekar told reporters.

Abhishek Manu Singhvi, a Congress spokesman, said the party had taken "path-breaking steps to combat misconduct and corruption".

The opposition has threatened to close the spring session of parliament if the government does not agree to a joint parliamentary inquiry, which has wide power to summon officials, into the 2G scam.

Deadlock in parliament has meant a range of key economic measures scheduled have been delayed, undermining the credibility of a government voted in with a powerful mandate to push through reform. The opposition is hoping to be able to sustain the political momentum with two months of countrywide protest.

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R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 24 Dec 2010 16:03

^^For a common man like me, it doesn't matter what has been achieved by previous JPC. When Congress is so against JPC that it is willing to take risk of self destruction, then it creates lots of doubts in public mind. If there is nothing to hide then I am sure they would have been ready for JPC by now. Why give opposition some high ground?
I have strong feeling that congress will not take such a high risk to protect MMS or some other leaders. I am very positive that Raj Mata is involved and they would go to any distance to protect her.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 24 Dec 2010 16:45

JPC may not provide satisfactory results, but demand to JPC until it is accepted, will yield lot of results for common man. So, yes the importance of setting up JPC needs to pursued rigorously, without backing down. JPC will convert what is common knowledge into published common knowledge. That alone calls for not backing down on demand for JPC.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Dec 2010 17:00

R_Kumar wrote:If there is nothing to hide then I am sure they would have been ready for JPC by now. Why give opposition some high ground?

Mr. Man Mohan Singh, who is slowly losing people's admiration which he had worked very hard to accumulate over several decades, even declared that he was willing to invest the PAC with all the powers that a JPC would have. Then, why fear a real JPC ?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Dec 2010 17:40

SS,Ha!Ha! Ha! That is the Sardarji joke of the year!!! (apologies to my dear Sardar friends,Kushwant Singh will enjoy MMS's latest!).

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 24 Dec 2010 17:46

Aside :

Lotsa folks are praising PVNR, ABV and MMS for giving growthful years. Well, what they created is what I call as "weaponless growth", which may be good in short run. But in long run, "weaponless growth" means creating wealth for enemies to burn, loot and plunder. So thanks, but no thanks for 20 years of weaponless growth

Back to 2G, scam etc:

IMO, JPC demand should be extended to cover CWG scam as well, not just 2G scam. In 2G scam, Congress is trying to escape by claiming "compulsion of coalition" at hard-core Congress lovers will not hold MMS, Sonia guilty even if it is proven that Raja took cash. But this excuse wont help in CWG as every partner in CWG scam -- Kalamdi, Dixit, Shailja Kumari, MMS, Sonia --- are congress members only.

And while we worry about 2G scam, may be in other thread, we should start worrying about imp issue that our Telco network is vulnerable to total shutdown in case US decides to give us a jolt. And ASAP we should get out of this situation. How? May be some folks can suggest in relevant threads.

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And folks,

I will be writing less and less about corruption of Sonia, MMS etc. Not because I have sold out, but admins have warned me. So if you dont find corruption allegation against MMS, Sonia etc in my posts, pls dont think that I have sold out to Sonia, MMS.

archan · Post by **archan** » 24 Dec 2010 17:49

Rahul Mehta wrote: And folks,

I will be writing less and less about corruption of Sonia, MMS etc. Not because I have sold out, but admins have warned me. So if you dont find corruption allegation against MMS, Sonia etc in my posts, pls dont think that I have sold out to Sonia, MMS.

Don't worry, your honesty shall not be doubted, sir!

narmad · Post by **narmad** » 24 Dec 2010 19:55

CBI Raids on the house/Offices of Raja and Kalmadi

What purpose does it solve ?It been so so long after the scam, that I have no doubt that both Raja and Kalmadi might have an inclination of the raids. They had ample time to conceal/shift/destroy any incriminating evidence .
These raids have been too late. Like closing the barn doors after the horses have bolted.

ashokpachori · Post by **ashokpachori** » 24 Dec 2010 21:07

2G scam: CBI grills Raja for nine hours

http://www.zeenews.com/news676436.html

TOI poll:

Given the track record of CBI in high-profile political cases, will raids on A Raja and Suresh Kalmadi help nail the big culprits?
Yes 15%
No 83%
Can't say 2%

Overwhelming majority of Indians dont have faith in CBI!

BJP's Ananth Kumar leaked Cabinet papers: Former Radia partner

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 24 Dec 2010 21:12

narmad wrote:CBI Raids on the house/Offices of Raja and Kalmadi

What purpose does it solve ?It been so so long after the scam, that I have no doubt that both Raja and Kalmadi might have an inclination of the raids. They had ample time to conceal/shift/destroy any incriminating evidence .
These raids have been too late. Like closing the barn doors after the horses have bolted.

In Syriana, the lawyer says that all the government needs is just the illusion that due diligence was done. I guess this is something similar. Who in India believes in such illusions anymore is anybody's guess.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Dec 2010 21:15

Most likely the 2g scam will take out some of the top in iNC and BJP.
BJP might have to go for a gambit and throw a few of its bad sheep to get the INC top dogs.

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 24 Dec 2010 22:05

RamaY wrote:
vera_k wrote: MMS is not going to fight another election. Plus, like it or not, MMS is the best PM INC has produced so far. There was an article some time ago about how an out of touch Rajiv Gandhi wanted to build malls and what not, but MMS stood firm. So he seems to have made the best of the hand he was dealt.
~~Too much BS is injurious to health~~. MMS was not in politics when Rajiv Gandhi was around

Sonia Controls the battery of his pace maker.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 24 Dec 2010 22:21

Even if PM is guilty he would not hesitate to order JPC, but mostly concerned about the people who he is shielding. IMO he does not care about his admiration among the aam admi, well if he had: the office of PM would have had enhanced dignity and not eclipsed by super PM. The selected PM is truly at crossroads. He has stark choices. Either to fulfill the mandate of his party chief or to fulfill the mandate of people of India. Since he is PM of whole of India and not of his party, he is in quandary. But his selection to PM position had more to do with his party chief, hence his leanings would be not hard to guess.
He is basically buying time for his party chief, till something else happens in the country so the headlines would shift focus. Hope Phillipji's premonition of piglets going on rampage is not what is being awaited.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 24 Dec 2010 22:25

arjunm wrote:Sonia Controls the battery of his pace maker.

Remarks in very poor taste and disrespectful of our PM.Without being judgemental on the PM on the megascams,I think Dr MMS deserves respect as an indvidual for his contribution to the nation and his personal integrity.

disha · Post by **disha** » 24 Dec 2010 23:20

svenkat wrote:Without being judgemental on the PM on the megascams,I think Dr MMS deserves respect as an indvidual for his contribution to the nation and his personal integrity.

His personal integrity itself is in question because of the 2Gs and his refusal to allow JPC. Who is he shielding? And why? Also why is that mega-scams always happen during Congress regimes? Who benefits?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 24 Dec 2010 23:38

svenkat wrote:
arjunm wrote:Sonia Controls the battery of his pace maker.
Remarks in very poor taste and disrespectful of our PM.Without being judgemental on the PM on the megascams,I think Dr MMS deserves respect as an indvidual for his contribution to the nation and his personal integrity.

I agree we ought not to be disrespectful of our PM, or for that matter any other human being unless there is ample evidence. But can you elaborate on his contribution and personal integrity. Because, any accusation or accolades will stand up only if we can provide some evidence. Wikipedia has this on the term integrity:

Integrity is a concept of consistency of actions, values, methods, measures, principles, expectations, and outcomes. In ethics, integrity is regarded as the quality of having an intuitive sense of honesty and truthfulness in regard to the motivations for one's actions.[citation needed] Integrity can be regarded as the opposite of hypocrisy,[1] in that it regards internal consistency as a virtue, and suggests that parties holding apparently conflicting values should account for the discrepancy or alter their beliefs.

The word "integrity" stems from the Latin adjective integer (whole, complete).[2] In this context, integrity is the inner sense of "wholeness" deriving from qualities such as honesty and consistency of character. As such, one may judge that others "have integrity" to the extent that one judges whether they behave according to the values, beliefs and principles they claim to hold.

Can you, so, provide the evidence?

Dhiman · Post by **Dhiman** » 25 Dec 2010 00:07

ashokpachori wrote:2G scam: CBI grills Raja for nine hours
http://www.zeenews.com/news676436.html

The guy should have been arrested yesterday. What is the CBI waiting for? and all this questioning etc should be in public view. Not behind close doors where "deals" can be struck between the corrupt.

BJP's Ananth Kumar leaked Cabinet papers: Former Radia partner

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/

Personally, I am hoping that someone would press the nuke button and the chain of mutually assured destruction would start. Who ever is left will collect the pieces and move on. The rest will rot in Tihar hotel. But if that does not happen, it would only mean that the corrupt have struck a deal behind the closed doors and eased off each other because they have decided that their interest is paramount over national and public interest.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 25 Dec 2010 00:16

^^ Raja will never go to jail. This is just a charade. A bit like Mumbai attacks trial in TSP. At worst he will face a light penalty. How many people have really been bought to book for corruption? Raja can just easily drop a few names of who received money, and other corruption scams. So, congress will support Raja where possible and ensure minimum punishment is given. They have to back each other up because they are all corrupt.

Just like how Dawood will never be arrested as too many heads will roll. They are in bed together.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Dec 2010 01:10

In the 70 a slew of Japanese PMs got replaced for corruption and crony capitalism. What is so sacrosanct about MMS?

BJP's LKA has to realize he needs to let the BJP rotten fruit go if he wants the INC big wigs to fall.

arjunm · Post by **arjunm** » 25 Dec 2010 01:25

svenkat wrote:
arjunm wrote:Sonia Controls the battery of his pace maker.
Remarks in very poor taste and disrespectful of our PM.Without being judgemental on the PM on the megascams,I think Dr MMS deserves respect as an indvidual for his contribution to the nation and his personal integrity.

Yes, I fully agree with you and that is meant to be so.