Understanding the US - Again

[uddu]

Obviously. They are like the gossiping woman who tells stores about others. If you want information, you get it this way. No so called nonpartisan source exist or if anyone try to be neutral, it will be bland and with 0 information.

Only if you consider 'gossip' to be the same as 'information'.

Are you sure? It contains lot of information. How you view it, avoiding the jealousy and other human traits, you get what's happening. Here Gossip never means, some hearsay. But they dig out the social media of the person and publishes it. Both sides do it against each other. That's information.

[uddu]

Anyone here thinking, Charlie Kirk was made a martyr by a certain faction within MAGA ?

Conservative person is always a Martyr for believers.
Heartfelt Speech of Erika Kirk, the Widow of Charlie Kirk. But when it comes to ideology, they are clear who they are and what they are fighting for. Its Martyrdom for religious believes.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... e_cry.html
"And one of the final conversations that he had on this earth, my husband witnessed for his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Now and for all eternity, he will stand at his Savior's side, wearing the glorious crown of a martyr."

Huge fight including physical fights is happening between the believers of both ideologies
Crowd BRUTALLY BEATS man who dared to yell “F* CHARLIE KIRK” after his murder
Shocking footage shows a crowd brutally attacking a man who dared to yell “F*** Charlie Kirk” following the tragic assassination of the conservative activist

[Rudradev]

Only if you consider 'gossip' to be the same as 'information'.

Are you sure? It contains lot of information. How you view it, avoiding the jealousy and other human traits, you get what's happening. Here Gossip never means, some hearsay. But they dig out the social media of the person and publishes it. Both sides do it against each other. That's information.

If someone is on the side of A but wants to create the impression that they are actually on the side of B, then it is no big deal for them to post social media themes associated with side B while acting on behalf of side A. That's a key aspect of how false flags work.

Partisan commentators working on behalf of side A will selectively amplify those social media posts to distract the public conversation from exploring what is really going on. That's why their information is unreliable.

[gakakkad]

Anyone here thinking, Charlie Kirk was made a martyr by a certain faction within MAGA ?

That's probably what has happened . The shooter turned out to be a groyper. They are rival far far right wing folks who don't think Kirk is crazy enough and not anti semitic enough. Look up Nick Fuentes .

This is analogous to isis-k vs al Qaeda vs Hezbollah .

[uddu]

Are you sure? It contains lot of information. How you view it, avoiding the jealousy and other human traits, you get what's happening. Here Gossip never means, some hearsay. But they dig out the social media of the person and publishes it. Both sides do it against each other. That's information.

If someone is on the side of A but wants to create the impression that they are actually on the side of B, then it is no big deal for them to post social media themes associated with side B while acting on behalf of side A. That's a key aspect of how false flags work.

Partisan commentators working on behalf of side A will selectively amplify those social media posts to distract the public conversation from exploring what is really going on. That's why their information is unreliable.

That is possible. But the other side must have dug out his association with Republicans by now. Not yet happened. If it comes out, we can analyze both and come to a conclusion.

[A_Gupta]

Wiki is fully loony left, especially anything related to ideological space is fully occupied by them. They don't have much manpower to monitor every page, but those pages with interest will be heavily edited with leftist narratives. It cannot be used as a source. Any such links to articles can be posted directly here. Even that mostly will be leftist channels.

In general, yes. AFAIK, this is factual. Wiki is just a convenient summary. Most detailed articles will be behind paywalls.

But:
Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com/groyper-charli ... es-2129114

2019 journal article:
https://research.tilburguniversity.edu/ ... a-trolling

Abstract
Since mid-October, Charlie Kirk’s Culture War college tour has been increasingly haunted by the Groyper and nicker Groyper Q&A trolls. These offline trolls use the Q&A-sessions that are part of the Culture War show format to frame Charlie Kirk as a fake, 'anti-white' conservative. A new chapter in the alt-right's cultural war re-emerges in full force.

Jewish AntiDefamation League (2020)
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... rica-first

[uddu]

Correct term should be arms of the Deep state.
Larry Sanger, founder of Wikipedia, talks to OpIndia
Larry Sanger, the founder of Wikipedia, talks to OpIndia about the Left bias of Wikipedia, how it all started, Jimmy Wales, his unwillingness to rectify things, the future of the Encyclosphere are more.


Wikipedia’s War on India: A Detailed Dossier | Nupur J Sharma
The 2020 Delhi riots have sparked controversy regarding how they are portrayed on platforms like Wikipedia. The platform fails to mention Tahir Hussain and his anti-Hindu crimes, instead framing the events as an anti-Muslim pogrom while accusing others, like Kapil Mishra, of Instigating. When questioned about these omissions, Wikipedia editors reportedly stonewalled inquiries, and co-founder Jimmy Wales bypassed requests for clarification. Similar criticisms arise regarding the Godhra train burning case, where Wikipedia undermines even court findings. Larry Sanger, another co-founder, has claimed that Wikipedia is no longer an independent or unbiased source, suggesting it has been influenced by leftist editors and administrators.
Despite its portrayal of neutrality, Wikipedia's narrative favours only the leftist perspective. The platform's close ties with Google and organizations like the Tides Foundation raise concerns about potential biases in funding and narrative shaping. This funding network indirectly supports narratives such as the Afro-Dalit theory through NGOs in India, contributing to social unrest. Furthermore, sources that challenge this narrative are often dismissed or blacklisted, with even police reports and court verdicts labelled as unreliable. This situation accumulating as a new phase of digital colonization, where control over online information can shape global perceptions of complex issues.

[chetak]

Wiki is fully loony left, especially anything related to ideological space is fully occupied by them.

Yes, they are.

But "Megyn Kelly" is hardly a reliable, nonpartisan source either.

By the way, the whole point of the Turner Diaries scenario IS to create false-flag impressions that the assassinations of white conservative figures are being carried out by blacks or left-wing extremists. Today, that would be accomplished by showing 'evidence' that the killer had 'antifascist', 'anti-racist' etc. posts on social media.

Very interesting that the guy was turned in by his father and has now 'lawyered up' refusing to say more. So turning himself in was obviously not a function of guilt or feeling the need to confess.

Rudradev ji,

India needs to be very wary and also watchful

This is a scenario that can easily be replicated in India. Even that puppet spoke from the ramparts of the red fort from behind a bullet proof glass shield

Our important leaders are still obsessed with actual physical contact with the masses, especially their supporters

A local rally can easily turn into a national disaster

the culinary institute specializes in this type of incidents for some of its regime change agendas

[chetak]

Anyone here thinking, Charlie Kirk was made a martyr by a certain faction within MAGA ?

Conservative person is always a Martyr for believers.
Huge fight including physical fights is happening between the believers of both ideologies
Crowd BRUTALLY BEATS man who dared to yell “F* CHARLIE KIRK” after his murder
Shocking footage shows a crowd brutally attacking a man who dared to yell “F*** Charlie Kirk” following the tragic assassination of the conservative activist
[youtube]RzAMyVN6hlA[youtube]

uddu ji,

Guess unrestrained "free speech" has real life consequences, as it damn well should

[uddu]

What 'inspired and INDOCTRINATED' Tyler Robinson?
Former FBI Assistant Director Chris Swecker joins 'Fox & Friends' to discuss law enforcement's handling of Tyler Robinson's arrest and questions whether Robinson acted alone.


How US caught Charlie Kirk’s killer: Tyler Robinson left clues on Discord, his friend gave access
https://www.firstpost.com/world/how-us- ... 33413.html
Discord chats revealed plans
Utah Governor Spencer Cox said Robinson’s online activity provided the crucial breakthrough.

Investigators gained access to his Discord chats through his roommate, which allegedly contained discussions about retrieving and concealing a rifle.

The conversations referred to hiding the weapon in bushes, wrapping it in a towel, monitoring the area, and even engraving bullets. Officers photographed the incriminating messages directly from the device.

[A_Gupta]

Via The New Yorker:

In November, 1885, the white residents of Tacoma, Washington Territory, drove out their Chinese neighbors. It took only hours. Armed with clubs and pistols, vigilantes went door to door, herding more than three hundred men, women, and children through the streets and out of town. As the forced march began, rain started to fall. Two of the expelled died of exposure; the rest made their way to Portland by foot or rail. Days later, arsonists returned to burn what was left of Chinatown. No one came back. For decades, anyone who tried was run out again. That history was the subject of my talk. It was why I had come to Tacoma.

[A_Gupta]

Fox News had reported:

WASHINGTON, Utah – The family of the suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination played an "almost unheard of" role in helping turn him in, an expert told Fox News Digital.

Police say 22-year-old Tyler Robinson was identified and reported to authorities with the help of his own family – a decision one expert described as extraordinary and profoundly difficult.

[gakakkad]

Fox News had reported:

WASHINGTON, Utah – The family of the suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination played an "almost unheard of" role in helping turn him in, an expert told Fox News Digital.

Police say 22-year-old Tyler Robinson was identified and reported to authorities with the help of his own family – a decision one expert described as extraordinary and profoundly difficult.

There is some psy ops ongoing here. Mormons are one of the most conservative folks and most religious. LDS dictates your life . Whom you marry ,when you ****** ,what you eat etc . Had the family not pretended to be cooperative they would have been excommunicated for sure . In their world that's like a death sentence. So once it became obvious that cops had enough to id the guy they probably thought it's best to save h§d by turning him in .

The state of Utah does have capital punishment but he ll likely not qualify for one as the circumstances it can be awarded per chat gpt.

So an attempt to spin this as bhatka hua college student who was brain washed by profs onlee .

They are already trying to downplay groyper links.

[A_Gupta]

The other way is possible too. There was some MAGA criticism of Kash Patel handling of FBI, so now FBI is the hero and family is an afterthought.

We are told: Tyler Robinson's family contacted authorities on the evening of September 11, 2025, and that is the first the FBI had his name.

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On September 12, 2025, conservative activist Christopher Rufo posted on X that it was "time for Republicans to assess whether Kash Patel is the right man to run the FBI". The comments followed FBI Director Patel's missteps in handling the investigation into the assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk.

Steve Bannon: after the killing of activist Charlie Kirk, Bannon used his podcast to criticize Patel, who was appointed FBI director in February 2025. Bannon questioned why Patel, a political appointee, was at a press conference regarding the arrest of Kirk's shooter. He also criticized the overall handling of the investigation by the FBI, calling the arrest of Kirk's shooter "not great law enforcement work".

Also see:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mag ... 26987.html

[gakakkad]

Epstein files have been a faultline among the wignats/ groyper /skinheads . They have been after Kash Patel /bongino for a while . obviously racism place a role as does xtian fundamentalism . Patel is bulletproof. He was trump loyalist even when Trump was screwed .

Their lal topi equivalent (Bannon ) has been particularly vocal along with Hispanic Hitler (Fuentes ) and the antisemite clan (cernovich , posobiec ) .

[A_Gupta]

There certainly are fault lines. Dunno if India can use them though.

[A_Gupta]

And of course, what are two children and a child shooter, buried in the news after Charlie Kirk, and the rush to blame “the radical Left”?

Evergreen High School shooter embraced Columbine, antisemitism and white supremacy online
https://coloradosun.com/2025/09/12/ever ... ial-media/

[gakakkad]

Best bet is to join forces with the Jews . Within us or internationally there are very few issues where our interests collide . All these qtiyas are outright antisemitic as well .

They don't even try to play the Zionist /Jew dichotomy card. They are unabashed anti semites . Charlie Kirk was an exception in this arena . He was pro Israel and supported by AIPAC .

Further adl and other Jewish organizations are openly supporting Indians . Much more so than Indian organizations. We really need to engage more with them and work our an agreement to cooperate where are interests converge . Unfortunately most desi organizations are twiddling thumb and doing nothing . Or our sucking Richards of one politician or other for personal gains like asha motwani jadega (piss be upon her ) .
Young abcd qtiyas are busy waving Palestine flag.

[A_Gupta]

Probably posting too much, but this is interesting:

HOURS AFTER CHARLIE KIRK’S ASSASSINATION at Utah Valley University on Wednesday, conservative personalities Michael Knowles and Benny Johnson both posted the same thing on social media: Kirk would have been president someday. Donald Trump, on Thursday morning, mused about it too.
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White nationalist podcaster Nick Fuentes picked frequent, typically one-sided, feuds with Kirk.

The main source of their disagreement centered on Kirk’s support for legal immigration. Kirk had once said that a green card should be given to every foreign student who receives a diploma from an American university. But after Fuentes whipped his “groyper” fanbase into a frenzy they dubbed the “Groyper War”—and after Fuentes supporters began crashing TPUSA events on college campuses—Kirk shifted far to the right. This year, Kirk called for a moratorium on even legal immigration from the “third world.”

The transition didn’t just underscore the degree to which nativism and restrictive views on immigration had become driving forces of Republican politics. It said something about Kirk, too. He cared more about maintaining the connection to his audience than about the consistency of his convictions. Perhaps Knowles and Johnson were right: Maybe Kirk could have been president.

[A_Gupta]

See? A new mythology is being created.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/li ... #rcrd88292

In a statement to NBC News, a Discord spokesperson said the company did identify an account belonging to the suspect, but said the messages mentioned in the news conference were not believed to have been sent on Discord.

We are deeply saddened by this tragedy and extend our condolences to the Kirk family and everyone affected. In the course of our investigation, we identified a Discord account associated with the suspect, but have found no evidence that the suspect planned this incident or promoted violence on Discord. The messages referenced in recent reporting about planning details do not appear to be Discord messages. These were communications between the suspect’s roommate and a friend after the shooting, where the roommate was recounting the contents of a note the suspect had left elsewhere. We have removed the suspect’s account for violating our off-platform behavior policy. We strongly condemn violence of any kind, including political violence, and we will continue to coordinate closely with law enforcement.

Is it because Kash Patel is of Indian origin that FBI bakwaas is being propagated on these pages?

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The toxic American online culture fueling shootings:
https://www.garbageday.email/p/charlie- ... -by-a-meme

A quote:

But the conflicting tone of the bullet casings’ inscriptions may also point to a connection with the Com network and the 764 terror cell offshoot. We’ve covered these groups several times on Panic World. They primarily exist inside of Discord and Telegram group chats. They recruit vulnerable young people around the internet, including inside of multiplayer games like Minecraft and Roblox. They encourage their members to commit horrible crimes with the promise of internet clout, intentionally using conflicting political messages to obscure any larger motive besides inspiring other members of the group to do the same. A month after a school shooter made an “OK” hand sign post, mentioned above, another teenager in Nashville made the exact same joke before allegedly shooting classmates at their high school. ProPublica found they crossed paths several times in these online communities, and the Nashville shooter was making a deliberate reference to his fellow community member. Which is what is so existentially terrifying about our current political moment.

We have let school shootings in America persist long enough that we have created a culture where kids grow up seeing them as a path towards fame and glory.

[Jay]

Quoting wiki as a source is questionable, but what wiki does best than most other pages is it actually attributes/links where that info came from so you can go down the rabbit hole and verify the source yourself. That's very important in this day and age where SM amplifies "he said-she said" arguments to the hilt.

Those links are New York times and Al Guardian. When the Lefty loonies want a narrative, they will sensor the articles of interest and quote and enforce their their own channels and ideology. Wiki can be used on anything technical in nature. Even if Climate Change is looked into it will be censored in similar fashion.

One need to ignore the opinion sections of the links and focus on the non-opinion sources. For example of the wiki says 'x thing happened' and it quotes sources, one need to ignore the opinion links, but retrieve the actual link which shows 'X thing happened', either a video, or from the actual author itself.

[Jay]

Fox News had reported:

WASHINGTON, Utah – The family of the suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination played an "almost unheard of" role in helping turn him in, an expert told Fox News Digital.

Police say 22-year-old Tyler Robinson was identified and reported to authorities with the help of his own family – a decision one expert described as extraordinary and profoundly difficult.

Excellent, grade A white washing. If this shooter was anybody other than a White "conservative" background, this entire take would have been different. Also, there are hundreds of cases where the perpetrators family identifies the perp, and turns them in. Fox news is only pretending it as an "almost unheard of" and the most magnanimous act.

One of the recent instances I can think of

https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-po ... /13229898/

Prosecutors said the youngest suspect's mother helped turn her teenage son into police at the same police district where Officer Preston served.