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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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SSridhar wrote:
BijuShet wrote: now that Qari Zainuddin is dead what will happen to his followers/fighters? Will they switch alliance to Mehsud or is there a no. 2 who will take Zainuddin's place?
The followers of Zainuddin are all Mehsuds. There is a chance that Baitullah may win them over or intimidate them into joining him. Qari had about 3000 fighters that he claimed. In any case, the swift elimination of Qari Zainuddin immediately after he boasted of his determination to take on Baitullah, is a setback to those from PA who are fighting Baitullah. Qari was shot dead in his own office and nobody was apprehended for that. That speaks volumes of how his security was quickly compromised.
And on 23 June 2009
Pakistan: McClatchy’s expert and special correspondent on Pakistan, Saeed Shah, has written an excellent article on a significant setback to the Islamabad government’s program to counter the Pakistani Taliban. Qari Zainuddin a Mahsud tribe leader, who challenged Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud for leadership of the Mahsuds, was shot by one of his own bodyguards. Authorities suspect the killer was an infiltration agent working for Baitullah.

On several occasions this month, tribal lashkars -- loosely organized armed tribal militiamen -- expelled from their villages militants and terrorists associated with the Pakistan Taliban Movement. Government tribal political agents working with Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) probably provided significant support to encourage and empower the lashkar leaders and tribal elders. The government’s failure to provide security to Zainuddin will threaten to sap the courage from other potential tribal leaders who might act as counterweights to the Pakistani Taliban.

Shah’s article makes an important point that Zainuddin’s break with Baitullah was over the direction of the fighting. Zainuddin said he thought fighting Muslims was wrong. Thus he opposed Baitullah’s policy of fighting in Pakistan against Pakistani government agents and security personnel. Zainuddin thought the fight should be focused exclusively against the US and NATO forces in Afghanistan to force them to depart.

The episode spotlights the fragility of attempting to use tribes against each other, especially without enhancing the personal protection of the pro-government guys. It also exposes the divergence of interests between Pakistan and Afghanistan and its Allies. Some security initiatives that benefit Pakistan’s security actually worsen the threat to Afghanistan.
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Did ISI have any hand in zainuddin's killings to protect baitullah?
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Anybody have an idea of what happened to the Chet Ramis of West Punjab after partition? Are they still there or evicted?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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shyamd wrote: Singh Warns Obama: Pakistan is Lost India Gets Ready for a Taliban-Ruled Nuclear Neighbor

“Pakistan has already imploded. You are ten minutes behind history," "You don't see it now because of the dust clouds thrown up by the collapse, but when they disperse, you'll see the full scale of the calamity.”
Is the arrest, trial, and sentencing of PAF officers related to this?
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p_saggu wrote:Is the arrest, trial, and sentencing of PAF officers related to this?
But these are low level abduls...... aren't they?? None of them are true afsar category.
As the paper says these abduls were arrested during musharraf regime .... may be these were supporting "bad" taliban ... IOW they went rogue on eye-yes-eye.
Added later: Looks like Mushy was protecting his mushy
57 Air Force officials tried in Musharraf assassination bid
According to PAF Spokesman Air Commodore Hamayun Viqar, none of these arrests were made during the last two years.

Air Commodore Viqar said all the 57 persons were arrested in connection with the failed Musharraf assassination plot.

Sources say the series of arrest of PAF personnel started with the first being on 9th January, 2004.
Although a PAF spokesperson confirmed the arrest or dismissal from service of only 57 personnel, sources say the number of personnel court martialed, arrested, or dismissed from service after the failed assassination attempt on former President Musharraf in December 2003 is more than a hundred.
<SNIP>
Sources close to family members of atleast two dismissed junior technicians, Adnan and Niaz, say they were targeted for voting ‘No’ in the referendum conducted for Gen Musharraf. These sources say air force officials who voted against former President were identified from the serial number of the ballot papers issued to the airmen.

However, Deputy Director Public Relations of PAF, Group Captain Tariq Mehmood dismissed the claim by the family sources of the technicians as ‘rubbish.’
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:rotfl: Everyone's afraid of the Pakistani Mango trick these days. :rotfl:
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Qari Zainuddin’s successor vows to continue struggle
DERA ISMAIL KHAN: Misbahuddin Mehsud, the new chief of the Abdullah Group and the successor of Qari Zainuddin, said on Wednesday that his men would continue fighting against Baitullah Mehsud until he was killed.

The 23-year-old said he “strongly supports” the ongoing military operation in Waziristan against. In interview with Daily Times 30 hours after the killing of his elder brother Zainuddin, Misbah said the murder of his brother would not either “demoralise” his group or “hurt its mission”. “We know who killed Zainuddin,” he said.
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p_saggu wrote:
shyamd wrote: Singh Warns Obama: Pakistan is Lost India Gets Ready for a Taliban-Ruled Nuclear Neighbor

“Pakistan has already imploded. You are ten minutes behind history," "You don't see it now because of the dust clouds thrown up by the collapse, but when they disperse, you'll see the full scale of the calamity.”
Is the arrest, trial, and sentencing of PAF officers related to this?
I think these may be related to the ass-in-a nation plot against Musharraf.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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NRao wrote:
Vivek_A wrote:xerox

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=184548

Sweet talk – sour lemons
Random thoughts

Wednesday, June 24, 2009
A Q Khan

"O believer! Do not make friendship with Jews and Christians. They are friends to one another. If you make friendship with them, you will be one of them. Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. Those who are hypocrites will rush to the Jews and Christians and say they do this lest calamity befall them. It is possible that Allah may give you victory or some commandment. They will then repent for what they have concealed in their hearts."
Out of context here, so pardon. But, does the Holy Koran actually say that? :shock:
Yes, it does. And no, it aint no shock to us (jews).
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Well close but no cigar!

About the known alliances of Islam with Christians over all others:
Had to share this Quranic gem

Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. Quran 5:82
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Sadler,

Do not how to put this - specially on the internet.

But, that means that Muslims are in no position to "bargain". And, there can be no "moderate" Muslim either.

Close? (Do not mean to hijack this thread.)
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Strafor says India is preparing to operate in Pakistan
India is clearly going through its military paces ready for operating inside a Pakistan ...


The last there was a Sikh king in India, India went to up to Kabul.
Historical Jungian synchronicity?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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stratfor and debka are full of crap. especially debka..which i'm convinced is israeli disinformation.
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Preparing is a good thing. But, it does not mean it will happen.

The Debka report could be inflated (what is not?), but I do not see why it would not be close to the truth. We have to remember that all that need to happen is the Pakistani Armed Forces need some elements within to show their true color - Green. Change sides. That is it. There is good chance of that happening.

Let me put it this way: IF it was India that was part of the equation by now everyone in Pakistan would be up in arms and it would have proved Debka to be only 70% true.
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Waziristan Operations

Ravi Rikhye (Ravi is back)

If Estimates of Taliban Forces Are Correct, Pakistan Cannot Win
For many years, each time the Pakistan Army has said it lacks the resources to fight the Taliban, at Orbat.com we've engaged in rude sniggering. The Pakistan Army has close to 30 division-equivalents worth of troops, 80% infantry. It is one of the largest armies in the world. Its men are long-service professionals - long service means 10, 15, and 20 years for the soldiers and NCOs. It is well-trained, reasonably well equipped by Third World standards and well led.

How then could Pakistan claim it cannot fight the Taliban?

Of course, it didn't/doesn't want to fight the Taliban because even today with the exception of Baitullah Mesud whom the Pakistan Army says it is hunting, the other three major commanders are pro-Government, as are a host of minor commanders.
Because - please don't forget - there's the equivalent of 40 powerful Indian divisions sitting to the East of the Kashmir Cease Fire Line and International Border, excluding the minimum defense against China and the 70,000 specialized CI troops - who are all regular soldiers, by the way, not paramilitary. You want paramilitary, India can deploy 500,000 against Pakistan if it needs to.

Beyond a point, if anyone thinks the US is going to be able to restrain India indefinitely so that Pakistan can shift all its infantry to the west is plain dreaming. Study the history of the subcontinent for just the last 1000 years and you will see this is just the right time for Delhi to start preparing to bring India's fractious and turbulent northwest under control. In case someone doesn't get it, India's northwest includes ALL of Pakistan.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Sadler wrote:xerox

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=184548
A Q Khan

Yes, it does. And no, it aint no shock to us (jews).
Guys haven't you seen the TV programming coming out of Pakistan?
You have Zaid zaman hamid and other bafoons shouting about Gazwa-e-Hind and Mehdi's army. Their most common refrain is about when Israel is finally attacked by this army. These guys say that
1. the jews will hide behind rocks and trees, but the trees will tell the muslim warrior "There is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him"
2. There is some Kafir species of tree which will not say this, and the Jews are supposedly safe behind that tree. :mrgreen: Which is why this tree is banned from all muslim nations. :rotfl:

Some duly enlightened and pious BRF members must find the due sermons to this effect in the islamic prose.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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sanjaykumar wrote:Strafor says India is preparing to operate in Pakistan
India is clearly going through its military paces ready for operating inside a Pakistan ...
The last there was a Sikh king in India, India went to up to Kabul.
Historical Jungian synchronicity?
MMS the Warrior Sikh King of India?
He may be an e-Warrior but is hardly of the violent kind. :evil:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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p_saggu wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:Strafor says India is preparing to operate in Pakistan
India is clearly going through its military paces ready for operating inside a Pakistan ...
The last there was a Sikh king in India, India went to up to Kabul.
Historical Jungian synchronicity?
MMS the Warrior Sikh King of India?
He may be an e-Warrior but is hardly of the violent kind. :evil:
He may not be overtly violent but he is a silent, determined and deadly killer. A particular gent who mistook him for a feeble PM knows it all too well. Sagguji let us cut him some slack. He is standing up to the Don Quixote Obama and his Chinese jernails. He will do well and will do us all proud. Poetic justice indeed, Khyber shall be re-conquered by a sikh of dasham pita.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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NRao wrote:Waziristan Operations

Ravi Rikhye (Ravi is back)

If Estimates of Taliban Forces Are Correct, Pakistan Cannot Win
For many years, each time the Pakistan Army has said it lacks the resources to fight the Taliban, at Orbat.com we've engaged in rude sniggering. The Pakistan Army has close to 30 division-equivalents worth of troops, 80% infantry. It is one of the largest armies in the world. Its men are long-service professionals - long service means 10, 15, and 20 years for the soldiers and NCOs. It is well-trained, reasonably well equipped by Third World standards and well led.

How then could Pakistan claim it cannot fight the Taliban?

Of course, it didn't/doesn't want to fight the Taliban because even today with the exception of Baitullah Mesud whom the Pakistan Army says it is hunting, the other three major commanders are pro-Government, as are a host of minor commanders. {Sarkari terrorists}
Because - please don't forget - there's the equivalent of 40 powerful Indian divisions sitting to the East of the Kashmir Cease Fire Line and International Border, excluding the minimum defense against China and the 70,000 specialized CI troops - who are all regular soldiers, by the way, not paramilitary. You want paramilitary, India can deploy 500,000 against Pakistan if it needs to.

Beyond a point, if anyone thinks the US is going to be able to restrain India indefinitely so that Pakistan can shift all its infantry to the west is plain dreaming. Study the history of the subcontinent for just the last 1000 years and you will see this is just the right time for Delhi to start preparing to bring India's fractious and turbulent northwest under control. In case someone doesn't get it, India's northwest includes ALL of Pakistan.
Need to tel Ravi to stop scaring the bada log!
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munna wrote:He may not be overtly violent but he is a silent, determined and deadly killer. A particular gent who mistook him for a feeble PM knows it all too well. Sagguji let us cut him some slack. He is standing up to the Don Quixote Obama and his Chinese jernails. He will do well and will do us all proud.
If only he had a Media Savvy Persona, many in BRF would be in awe. He just doesn't. But that doesn't mean he is weak minded. He has already built a legacy. As long as India exists, I hope people will remember that we were nearly bankrupt, and then PVNR and MMS came along.

I may not know too much technical stuff about the Nuclear Deal, but I now find a few here who were staunchly against him, grudgingly agree that it was not too bad after all, and that we haven't been sold down the river.

I think he will be remembered as PVNR is remembered amongst those who read geopolitics well.

PS: BTW excellent work you've done in the Sikhism thread, the ease with which you explain things has made me learn quite a lot.
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I was surprised to see a June 2008 Hamid Mir show(can be found on utube) in which Prem Shankar Jha was quoted talking about the peace process. I, till this time, didn't have a clue as to what the proposal is/was.

Prem Shankar Jha without delving into much has mentioned in the interview that

1. LOC=IB is NOT the proposal but to completely nullify the line of control
2. The solution involves all of J&K and not just the parts of J&K that India and Pakistan control
3. He didn't talk about it much but we know was that some kind of demilitarization was proposed

I was astounded by the proposal and could understand why Pakis and US were salivating at the proposal. Interestingly this does not go against the Indian parliamentary resolution (for the talks itself per se).

It is a matter of conjecture on how serious India is/was but hearing the current and past terrorists, they do buy that we are serious about this. I just sincerely wish that there is a bigger vision/strategy employed here in the interest of India.
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p_saggu wrote: I may not know too much technical stuff about the Nuclear Deal, but I now find a few here who were staunchly against him, grudgingly agree that it was not too bad after all, and that we haven't been sold down the river.

I think he will be remembered as PVNR is remembered amongst those who read geopolitics well.

PS: BTW excellent work you've done in the Sikhism thread, the ease with which you explain things has made me learn quite a lot.
Thanks! I will pretty soon write a concise note for the benefit of rakshaks regarding Punjab militancy. And my take on Punjab's role in assimilating former Pakistani territories in India going into the future.
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Kashmir aside, there has been for some time now, indications of a renewal of Pakistan's interest in Indian Punjab.
The Khalistanis all over the world were last very active during the recent riots and the vienna incident, even trying to "represent" the sikh community over SGPC.
Too much of a co-incidence?
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p_saggu wrote:Kashmir aside, there has been for some time now, indications of a renewal of Pakistan's interest in Indian Punjab.
The Khalistanis all over the world were last very active during the recent riots and the vienna incident, even trying to "represent" the sikh community over SGPC.
Too much of a co-incidence?
Pakistanis have always been in mortal fear of Indian Punjab because of the fact that despite their attempts at Pakiness both sides have the same blood running in the veins. The population of Indian Punjab composed of sikhs and hindus is very violent(in terms of excitability) and warlike. Pre-independence there were only two states where INC and the Muslim League both were marginalized that is Punjab and Bengal and both the states have suffered continued loss of eminence in the national polity ever since independence. This loss of eminence and power in Delhi was sought to be exploited by Khalistanis on Pakistani instigation and Naxalites on Chinese insistence. Punjab has historically been outside the pale of INC brand of appeasement and Gandhian politics so much so that it was the only state where Gandhi failed to ensure cession of riots in 1947.
The Pakistanis cleverly tried to package the difference in politics and nature of the population as some sort of fundamental divergence and difference between Punjab and rest of India. Some poor souls bought this line and currently live in exile tilting at proverbial windmills.
As far as your question about recent incidents goes my take is that RAPEs are trying to secure a toe hold in India by projecting a joint Punjabi identity in order to bargain for safe passage and right in India. This they aim to do by promoting violence in Indian Punjab and then make claims about how entire Punjab has been a victim onlee :(( of partition. Punjab more than ever holds the key to breaking Papistan but we must keep a tight leash on the current father son combine in place.
More later....
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Pakistan takes justifiable pride in the fact that it is the single most important country in the world {my foot} :lol:
The government’s diplomatic efforts have resulted in Pakistan emerging as the most important country on the world map, Ambassador of Pakistan in the United Nations Hussain Haroon said on Wednesday.
Referring to the Kashmir issue, the ambassador said the issue had been raised thrice before the UN Security Council. “This was surely an outcome of strong diplomacy that no resolution has yet been presented over the Mumbai attack," he added.
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Delayed Monsoon falling river levels

Agriculture experts warn that the delay in the monsoon will affect paddy sowing in Punjab as rains are beneficial for water-intensive rice crop during transplantation.

Despite the expected delay, Met officials predict 10 per cent :D above-normal monsoon rains this year. Chief Meteorologist Hazrat Mir said due to westerly waves (i.e. western disturbance), rains did occur in parts of the country in the first week of June, lowering the mercury level its upper parts. Resultantly, he said, snow melting was adversely affected causing low inflows in rivers.

Citing a recent study, the chief meteorologist said flows in western rivers, namely the Indus, Jhelum and Chenab, had been below the normal owing to slow process of snow melting. He was confident that water shortage would be minimal in Kharif season as river flow would gradually pick up along with above average monsoon rains.
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US Senate passes bill to triple aid to Pakistan
Bill Ignores Indian concerns, but places conditions on Pak
However, the Senate bill asks for several presidential certifications from, with regard to aid to Pakistan. It requires benchmarks for measuring the effectiveness of US assistance, including a systematic, qualitative basis for assessing whether desired outcomes are achieved.

It requires the President to submit a semi-annual report to Congress that describes in detail the assistance provided to Pakistan under this Act and assesses the effectiveness of US assistance thus far, including any incidents of waste, fraud, and abuse.

It also requires the Secretary of State, after consulting with the Secretary of Defence and the Director of National Intelligence, to submit to Congress an annual report on the progress of the Pakistani security forces.
Pure and unalloyed hogwash.
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Pak Taliban threat to world peace, says Antony: ANI
New Delhi: Defence Minister A K Anthony on Thursday said that the Taliban remains a threat to world peace and he will discuss the overall security scenario in Afghanistan-Pakistan with US National Security Adviser General James Jones, who is scheduled to visit India on Thursday.

The Defence Minister further said that the situation in Pakistan is bad and there is a lot of turmoil, which is of great concern. “The situation in Pakistan is bad. There is a lot of turmoil and it is a great cause of concern to us. We would like to tell the Pakistan government to take stern action against the terrorists,” Antony said.

He was speaking to reporters after inaugurating the Unified Commanders’ Conference whose overall theme is “Victory through Jointness”.

“The Taliban remains a threat to world peace and when General Jones comes down to India we will take up the issue with him and discuss the overall situation in Af-Pak,” Antony said. General Jones will visit New Delhi on June 25 as part of ongoing US effort to further strengthen key bilateral partnership with India.

He is visiting New Delhi on the invitation of his Indian counterpart, M K Narayanan, after visiting Afghanistan and Pakistan to monitor implementation of the new US war plan.

Antony vowed to beef up security in Jammu and Kashmir despite decline in infiltration in the state from across the border, and said that terrorist groups are a real threat in the state.

“The ties with Pakistan can be normalised only after Islamabad beings crackdown on terrorists,” he said. “After 26/11 we have made great changes to the coastal security in the country; the Navy, and the Coast Guards have been given specific responsibilities,” the Defence Minister added.

The two-day Unified Commanders Conference will focus mainly on jointness, integration and development of integrated war fighting capability. It will also deliberate upon various issues relating to Services capabilities to meet the security challenges faced by the nation.

During the conference, the senior commanders will discuss the key achievements and progress made by Headquarters, Integrated Defence Staff (IDS) and will also make presentations on major achievements and contemporary issues of tri-service implications.

The Chairman Chiefs of Staff Committee Admiral Sureesh Mehta, Air Chief Marshal P V Naik, Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor, IDS Chief Air Marshal S C Mukul and heads of Andaman and Nicobar Command and Strategic Forces Command, will attend the Conference.
I truly hope they don't believe what they say!

Mr Antony, should first and foremost take care of military procurements.
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The Pakistani complex
"We have told the international community that the world must recognise Pakistan and must deal with us at par with India," he {Rehman Malik} added.
Opposition members criticised the ministry for not taking steps to protect Pakistan's image after the Mumbai attacks.{It is the image they are bothered about. The terrorist act itself is par for the course but the fallout must be contained. The Parliamentarians are effectively saying that Pakistan goofed up on the 'plausible deniability' front and let too many loose ends that exposed Pakistan. This is exactly the reason why Pakistan, in its present form and content, will remain a dangerous threat to India.}
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Qari Hussain, the Trainer of Suicide Bombers, claimed killed in drone attack
The strike, however, claimed a significant scalp in the shape of Qari Hussain, a lieutenant of Baitullah who was popularly known as Ustad-i-Fidayeen, or teacher of suicide bombers.
If true, this is a significant setback for Baitullah. Qari had been claimed earlier also to have been eliminated until one day Baitullah presented him before international media last year.
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Taliban, not India, greatest threat to Pakistan: Zardari
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... i/65612/on
Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari has said that terrorism, not India, is the greatest "threat" to his country, a significant shift in Islamabad's view of its neighbour that provoked controversy back home.
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Jamal K. Malik wrote:Taliban, not India, greatest threat to Pakistan: Zardari
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... i/65612/on
Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari has said that terrorism, not India, is the greatest "threat" to his country, a significant shift in Islamabad's view of its neighbour that provoked controversy back home.
Thats fine Mr. Zardari, but what about LeT threat to India?
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RajeshA wrote:
Mr Antony, should first and foremost take care of military procurements.
And forst worry about threat to India from TSP before worrying about threat to the world.
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X-post from IWT thread
US to intervene in IWT
"The U.S. government would help in every possible way for the resumption of dialogue between Pakistan and India and for resolution of the core issues like Kashmir dispute and water distribution between the two countries," visiting American National Security Adviser James Jones was quoted as saying in a statement issued by the Prime Minister's House here {Islamabad}.

During the meeting, Mr. Gilani called on "the world at large and the U.S. in particular to play their role towards resolution of the core issue of Kashmir as well as the water issue between Pakistan and India."

He explained to Mr. Jones that U.S. assistance in settling outstanding issues with India "would help Pakistan focus on fighting against extremism and terrorism on its western border to ensure peace and stability of the South Asian region."
Does the UPA have the guts to ask the US to back off ? Slowly and surely, the US is turning the screws on India.
He asked the U.S. to write off Pakistan's debt to help the country overcome its immediate economic difficulties and make up for the economic losses it has suffered in the fight against terrorism. Mr. Jones assured Gilani that the U.S. administration "would do everything it could to help Pakistan. {which means that the US is going to write off the loans. Obama administration may prove to be the biggest US administration ever to support of terrorism against India}"
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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If you let this one pass unhindered, next step will be US dictating which colour chaddi MMS should be wearing. US deserves a hard kick in the nut for this IWT mischief. GOI, do you have it in you?
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We'll not hand over 'any individual to India': Pak
Asked about warrants issued for the arrest of 22 Pakistanis by a special court in Mumbai, Interior Minister Rehman Malik made it clear that Pakistan would not hand over "any individual to India" simply on the basis of such warrants.

Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Malik Amad Khan too has said, "no Pakistani national would be handed over" to India. He said Pakistan would bring people involved in the Mumbai attacks "to justice but in our own country" provided India gave more evidence on the terror strikes.
"Yes, there are international obligations. However, the government would decide if any request is sent by Interpol," he told a news conference in parliament yesterday.
Learning from the press conference during Interpol chief's visit to Isloo after the Mumbai attack, even Interpol notices may be quite ineffective.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Dont you get the feeling that entire TSP is sounding shrill and hysterical? And US NSA is trying to calm and soothe their nerves promising debt relief and tripling the aid etc.

This is an indicator that TSP will do something. Everytime they feel US is with them they launch an attack in India.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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SSridhar wrote:X-post from IWT thread
US to intervene in IWT
"The U.S. government would help in every possible way for the resumption of dialogue between Pakistan and India and for resolution of the core issues like Kashmir dispute and water distribution between the two countries," visiting American National Security Adviser James Jones was quoted as saying in a statement issued by the Prime Minister's House here {Islamabad}.
I think the US is playing both sides here.

To India it promises an end to Pak-sponsored terror, and pressure on pakistan to stop terror directed against India.
To pakistan it promises a (favourable) resolution to kashmir.

This serves to keep both on their toes, the US gets to play Daroga, while it continues to do what serves its national interest best.
Ultimately this 'promise' to pakistsn means as much as the promises made to India on terror.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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The information in Debka, though not sure how much of it is true, made me think of what would be the Taliban's strategy to get to Pakistani nuclear weapons. Whom would they first hook up in the army and who in the already won over ISI will be used in collusion with these army men. Which sites would first be taken over by the Taliban, what territory gains would be needed in getting to those weapons sites, how to prevent their movement to safer areas where Taliban don't wield authority, how to get the launch codes by infilitrating the top echelons of power in Pakistan etc etc

I will be do my analysis on this and share when possible but do comment on what you think would be the Taliban's gameplan to make it happen (I now have something to do this weekend :twisted: ). Nuclear weapons in Talibani hands would be a great asset for blackmail and hard negotiation. Of course all this is assuming that the Taliban and Pakistani govt are really at odds with each other.
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