India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[ShauryaT]

They wanted to create a vassal state, just like the britshits had done with India, before 1947.

A slave state that is the largest market, with a humongous and low cost work force, as well as a massive resource base, wholly dependent on amrika, completely open and accessible to the deep state, just like they had controlled the "gelf" states, all sewn up and ready to serve amriki interests for many tens of decades.

It was never about the "Russian oil". It was all about controlling Modi ji, or controlling his successor...........

"Give a dog a bad name and hang him" is what trump and his pals are trying to do

Let us assume the above to be true. What capabilities does India have, that is deemed threatening or at the least desirable to the US and India is willing to use these to thwart US goals? Let us leave the morality or desirability or even the viability of the above objectives aside. Imagine a world where it is the law of the fish (matsya) that prevails, where the big fish eats the smaller one. How can India resist or is resisting not just by pleading good reason but with actual counter measures to thwart such objectives?

[chetak]

They wanted to create a vassal state, just like the britshits had done with India, before 1947.

A slave state that is the largest market, with a humongous and low cost work force, as well as a massive resource base, wholly dependent on amrika, completely open and accessible to the deep state, just like they had controlled the "gelf" states, all sewn up and ready to serve amriki interests for many tens of decades.

It was never about the "Russian oil". It was all about controlling Modi ji, or controlling his successor...........

"Give a dog a bad name and hang him" is what trump and his pals are trying to do

Let us assume the above to be true. What capabilities does India have, that is deemed threatening or at the least desirable to the US and India is willing to use these to thwart US goals? Let us leave the morality or desirability or even the viability of the above objectives aside. Imagine a world where it is the law of the fish (matsya) that prevails, where the big fish eats the smaller one. How can India resist or is resisting not just by pleading good reason but with actual counter measures to thwart such objectives?

ShauryaT ji,

when the stupid amrikis facilitated the rise of cheen, did they anticipate what was to come

or did their greed dominate their policies and geopolitical naivety cloud their judgement

Do you think that the amrikis want a repeat of the same scenario and create another monster that will consume them

or are they in a panic mode seeing the rise of India that will, in the days to come, overcome their economy and eclipse their geopolitical stature on the global stage

their empire is in decline, their society is in disarray, and their country is coming apart at the seams

How much longer before the jihadi mobs overrun the streets

when the marauding jihadis rampage through the streets, raping, pillaging, and killing, it's the little fish eat the big fish, not the other way around

just look at nepal, beediland, lanka, maldives, the arab spring and large swathes of eu and britshitistan

and once the dust has settled, the new big fish surface, armed with with bigger guns, and guarded by men with lots of guns

[Rudradev]

Will hypocrisy about ICC matter to a Chump regime that does $2.5B (and increasing) amount of trade with Russia, but sanctions India for buying Russian oil?

Rudradev ji,

"Russian oil" is just a catchphrase used by the trump's amrikis to camouflage their true intent, it is the proverbial hook, their geopolitical veil, on which to hang their true agenda of animus, while plotting to cripple India. This catchphrase also kept the rest of the target states quiet and prevented the amriki prey base from scattering

After the "Russian oil" (had Modi ji complied), it would have been followed up with a series of brazen demands, one after the other, each crippling requirement more outrageous than the last one

They wanted to create a vassal state, just like the britshits had done with India, before 1947.

A slave state that is the largest market, with a humongous and low cost work force, as well as a massive resource base, wholly dependent on amrika, completely open and accessible to the deep state, just like they had controlled the "gelf" states, all sewn up and ready to serve amriki interests for many tens of decades.

It was never about the "Russian oil". It was all about controlling Modi ji, or controlling his successor...........

"Give a dog a bad name and hang him" is what trump and his pals are trying to do

OTOH, the amrikis simply failed to game in the cheeni clout on the rare earth supply chains, and also the cheeni choke holds on the amriki agricultural exports.

both were fatal mistakes, as was the gross underestimation of Modi ji's political acumen and resilience, especially when combined with his geopolitical dexterity, reach, and agility. It was at this point that things started to unravel

Modi ji has a vast international following, and he adroitly leveraged that using the artistry and finesse of Jaishankar ji.

No need to shout baba. I already know that, and except for the wilfully ignorant, I think everyone else here does as well.

My point in raising "Russian Oil", "ICC" etc. is this. ALL US regimes have been hypocritical in their dealings with independent India.

What is new with Chump Sarkar is that they wear their hypocrisy on their sleeve. They will accuse you of harbouring terrorism supporters while Asim Munir is still in the White House dining room. There is not even a fig leaf of shamelessness now, it is compensated for by empty bravado ("yes, we are America so we don't have to follow the rules we set for you, so what will you do about it?")

For India this can be both a bad and a good thing dependinh on how Dilli plays its hand.

[bala]

They wanted to create a vassal state, just like the britshits had done with India, before 1947.

The US got paid by the Britshits for WW-II expenses from the Indian Exchequer and left India a paupered poor nation as its handicap. Despite such loot and pauper, India has managed to recover and come up to 3rd nation in the world (PPP). The US effectively profitted by India paying the bill for WW-II adventure with the Eurotards. Meanwhile the Global Deep State moved to the US and dictates its next looting spree across the world by creating mayhem everywhere except its own nations, it does keep the pot boiling even in the US so no El Presidente becomes cocky. Currently the US is facing a 3 way headache - Russia, China and India (RIC or is it CRI). The 3 banding together will become a massive pain in the rear for the US.

[Vayutuvan]

They wanted to create a vassal state, just like the britshits had done with India, before 1947.

- Russia, China and India (RIC or is it CRI). The 3 banding together will become a massive pain in the rear for the US.

I would go with IRC as in "Irksome".

[A_Gupta]

@ShauryaT asks:

Let us assume the above to be true. What capabilities does India have, that is deemed threatening or at the least desirable to the US and India is willing to use these to thwart US goals? Let us leave the morality or desirability or even the viability of the above objectives aside. Imagine a world where it is the law of the fish (matsya) that prevails, where the big fish eats the smaller one. How can India resist or is resisting not just by pleading good reason but with actual counter measures to thwart such objectives?

Let's say India continues unimpeded its growth to the third largest economy, with correspondingly expanded military power, and growing technological prowess.

1. If the US goes to war with China (say over Taiwan or something in the South China Sea or such) the US wants India to unconditionally go to war too. A vassal state would; an independent country might, only if it sees it to be in its best interest.

2. If India wants the UN and UN security council reformed, the US will want India to acquiesce to what terms the US puts.

3. The US would worry about expanding Indian influence in the IMF, World Bank, Asian Development Bank and FATF, for instance. They would want Indian votes in such forums to march in lockstep with American votes.

4. The US's strategic requirement is that no one power or coalition of powers that does not include itself dominate the Eurasian land mass. As such, it would want to keep Russia, China and India at perpetual tension with each other. Not that it seems like it has anything to worry about right now, but as Trump himself has caused, the geopolitical situation can change very quickly.

5. The US has financialized its economy, shedding manufacturing & industrialization. As such, it fears anyone who might become a competitor in hosting financial markets.

6. The two single markets large enough to absorb the US's agricultural surplus are China and India. The US wants both of those to be captive markets. It flubbed with China; it is trying hard with India.

7. The US wants Indian workers to take care of the technical labor shortage, to pay taxes to the US, pay Social Security taxes and prop up American social welfare, but to go home before they get any of the benefits. They want India to be in that sort of a bind, where it has to accept this arrangement. Like the Gulf states where Indians can work but not get citizenship, except the Gulf countries so far do not need foreign workers to prop up their social welfare systems.

8. The US would like India to be wholly dependent on US weapon systems, and neither get them from Russia or Europe nor develop indigenous capabilities.

9. The US wants the world's semiconductor industry to relocate to the US, not to India, nor remain in Taiwan or China, etc.

10. Things like guaranteed return on US investments in infrastructure in India, and such would be welcome.

11. When the US has a project like pacifying Gaza, it wants to be able to make India supply the troops (I'm told India said it would contribute only if there was a United Nations mandate.). When the US wants to impose sanctions by itself on some country without a UN resolution or such - it wants India to obey. If the US wants the Bagram Airbase, then India is supposed to join in trying to persuade the Taliban government of Afghanistan.

Think how the British made decisions to their own benefit and to the detriment of India from London. Now change the British to the US and London to Washington DC. Of course, the historical circumstances are different and the parallel has to be taken metaphorically.

[KL Dubey]

First major lawsuit pertaining to $100K H1B fees filed in San Francisco:

https://apnews.com/article/immigration- ... 7ade4268e1

[A_Gupta]

How does India resist? By not compromising on its core values of independence, sovereignty and strategic autonomy; and by finding ways to climb over the resulting obstacles. When there is no compromise on core values, then there is a costs vs benefits to be considered carefully.

Also, I am a firm believer in that the only thing that can keep Indians down is the actions of other Indians (for instance, choosing to be bureaucratic or corrupt, or offering destructive instead of constructive opposition to the government, or like crabs in a basket, keep pulling each other down). In that sense, IMO, the US, etc., are irrelevant.