Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 10 Feb 2026 00:00
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williams wrote: ↑09 Feb 2026 23:21Rivalry does not mean we are equals in terms of comprehensive national power. But the fact remains, they are apprehensive of India's strides in many fields and are treating us as rivals whether we like it or not. A simple thing like supply of aircraft engine has become a point of contention. Then where is the question of trust. People to people contact is a misnomer. They want to fill in their labor shortages and we are filling it in (Thanks to the commie congi policies of building a merit-less society). In the side we have become a market for their goods. That is the way they see it. It is no different when our people went to Burma and Srilanka to work during the days of the Raj and are chased out when things are not comfortable to their people. Trump actually cleared the delusion we had about this relationship.To have ambition is good but we should also know our aukat.
Whatever gave you the idea that India and amrika are rivals......
Yes that is the point of current Admin. But there are problems. The previous regimes turned a blind eye on these laws and more people came in. Now reversing that and enforcing the law is turning emotionally ugly. Now remember some of the southern states have a large number of Hispanic legal immigrant population (~30-40%). If that population turns against the admin, then it becomes a political problem. Media wanted that to happen and so they are highlighting that story. On the top of it ICE is not a trained police organization. Mishaps happen frequently and that makes them carry bad reputation. November will tell us the real story. As the numbers go down for the Republicans, Trump will lose support in the USG. It is a vicious cycle.Lisa wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 12:43 ^If these migrants are there illegally are they not already committing an offence? India's SC said the same of Rohingya's did it not?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 728314.cms
Just some random fact-checks...
Lisaji - Let me answer this in detail - because it is *very* Important.Lisa wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 12:43 ^If these migrants are there illegally are they not already committing an offence? India's SC said the same of Rohingya's did it not?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 728314.cms
Agreed. Its just so strange seeing people screaming about legalities. They appear to be saying that illegal migrants can only be detained IF they are convicted of a crime! The fact that their very existence in the US is illegal seems to just simply miss them completely.williams wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 13:10Yes that is the point of current Admin. But there are problems. The previous regimes turned a blind eye on these laws and more people came in. Now reversing that and enforcing the law is turning emotionally ugly. Now remember some of the southern states have a large number of Hispanic legal immigrant population (~30-40%). If that population turns against the admin, then it becomes a political problem. Media wanted that to happen and so they are highlighting that story. On the top of it ICE is not a trained police organization. Mishaps happen frequently and that makes them carry bad reputation. November will tell us the real story. As the numbers go down for the Republicans, Trump will lose support in the USG. It is a vicious cycle.Lisa wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 12:43 ^If these migrants are there illegally are they not already committing an offence? India's SC said the same of Rohingya's did it not?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 728314.cms
No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not, standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions that may be related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presenceAgreed. Its just so strange seeing people screaming about legalities. They appear to be saying that illegal migrants can only be detained IF they are convicted of a crime! The fact that their very existence in the US is illegal seems to just simply miss them completely.
Literally thousand have applied to courts and trump's ICE is snatching them at the courts and moving them to detention. I do not how one misses this news as this is everywhere. They have also removed many of immigration judges and the new directive is that if a judge is granting reprieve then they will be terminated.Furthermore, all fail to explain why they are unwilling to go to court. They scream all day about ICE yet not one mothers son has applied successfully to drastically curtail ICE actions in court because they all know that ICE is working within the law!
That's because these protests are not just about the repatriations, but how ICE is using all the gestapo tactics to make law as they goes by and apply it to anyone they consider is in their way. During the Obama admin how many raids on schools did ICE conduct? How many churches and other places of worship did they have to raid? How many daily roving snatching's did they perform?Obama carried out over 3 million repatriations and I do not recall even ONE televised protest by MSM. Does anyone?
And what is this kujli of bringing India into every discussion? How is immigration in India is even remotely relevant to immigration in US?With regards to India an even stranger story. Peacefuls are being mistreated but peacefuls need asylum here! Stranger than that, with a population of over 200 million, yet no wave of people fleeing India to escape persecution. Unlike Iran Iraq, Yemen Eritrea, Pukistan...........all full of peacefuls yet filling Europe faster than a sinking Titanic but barely a reference to this dichotomy anywhere.
So, I think Amber Ji is bringing out some of the arguments from the other side. And these are genuine concerns. Trump admin has burnt a lot of bridges with the legal immigrant community because of these unnecessary tactics. ICE could have taken staggered approach. 1. Secure the border 2. Identify and deport the people with criminal records 3. Tighten the employment laws to filter out illegal employees 4. Provide some time and way out for the more civil yet illegal immigrants to leave before taking action.Lisa wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 00:58Agreed. Its just so strange seeing people screaming about legalities. They appear to be saying that illegal migrants can only be detained IF they are convicted of a crime! The fact that their very existence in the US is illegal seems to just simply miss them completely.williams wrote: ↑10 Feb 2026 13:10
Yes that is the point of current Admin. But there are problems. The previous regimes turned a blind eye on these laws and more people came in. Now reversing that and enforcing the law is turning emotionally ugly. Now remember some of the southern states have a large number of Hispanic legal immigrant population (~30-40%). If that population turns against the admin, then it becomes a political problem. Media wanted that to happen and so they are highlighting that story. On the top of it ICE is not a trained police organization. Mishaps happen frequently and that makes them carry bad reputation. November will tell us the real story. As the numbers go down for the Republicans, Trump will lose support in the USG. It is a vicious cycle.
Furthermore, all fail to explain why they are unwilling to go to court. They scream all day about ICE yet not one mothers son has applied successfully to drastically curtail ICE actions in court because they all know that ICE is working within the law!
Obama carried out over 3 million repatriations and I do not recall even ONE televised protest by MSM. Does anyone?
With regards to India an even stranger story. Peacefuls are being mistreated but peacefuls need asylum here! Stranger than that, with a population of over 200 million, yet no wave of people fleeing India to escape persecution. Unlike Iran Iraq, Yemen Eritrea, Pukistan...........all full of peacefuls yet filling Europe faster than a sinking Titanic but barely a reference to this dichotomy anywhere.
From what I understand. Crossing over without an authorization is a misdemeanor - A criminal offense (even if minor). The government can choose to prosecute these in civil or criminal proceedings. A 2nd time, would be a felony. Overstaying a Visa is a "civilian" offense. I guess a majority of the ones being prosecuted fall in the misdemeanor category. The executive actions around this matter have changed from "situation" dependent to a literal enforcement of the law - as intended. The mass abused "asylum" provisions are no bar to prosecution today.Jay wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 01:38
No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not, standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions that may be related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presence
alone is not a violation of federal criminal law.
Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted, i.e., illegal entry, is a misdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances.
Undocumented presence in the United States is only criminally punishable if it occurs after an individual was previously formally removed from the United States and then returned without permission.
Amber G. wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 02:01 Sharing here for BRF xpost - How would US perform in operation Sindoor aka spotting drones, party balloons and "itchy trigger finger" in border security in USA :
On February 11, 2026, the FAA abruptly shut down the airspace over El Paso, Texas, for seven hours following a high-tension incident where a high-energy laser from Fort Bliss engaged four Mylar balloons (party balloons) that were mistaken for cartel surveillance drones. (They initially announced 'closed the air space for 8 days! - when I heard the news report) . While the White House and Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy initially characterized the event as a neutralized "cartel drone incursion," reports from The CBS News indicate the closure was actually triggered by the FAA’s unilateral decision to protect civilian flights after the military failed to coordinate its directed-energy weapon testing. The incident caused significant travel chaos and localized medical emergencies, highlighting a critical breakdown in communication between the FAA and the Department of Defense regarding the use of advanced counter-drone technology near major metropolitan areas.
Link:https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/natio ... f9b4921d0e
Some stats will give us an understanding of why there are many ICE goof ups lately. They doubled their strength from 10000 agents to 22000 in a short period (1 year). this was possible due to compressed training of 47 days 155 days. The age required is reduced to 18 (from 21). So we are talking about young and know nothing individuals try to enforce something with time pressure of meeting the goal of 75 arrests per day per person. Leadership is held accountable if these numbers cannot be met.A_Gupta wrote: ↑11 Feb 2026 08:08 Just to point out that many people have moved the courts against ICE, the judges have stayed ICE or reversed their decisions, and ICE blatantly disregards the court orders.
How ICE defies judges’ orders to release detainees, step by step
A POLITICO review of hundreds of cases brought by ICE detainees shows a pattern of noncompliance that has frustrated judges across the country.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/1 ... s-00771727
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Obama had the record number of deportations till that time, and his max year probably still exceeds Trump’s 2025 (we don’t have all the numbers). Show me disregard of the law there.
“ Furthermore, all fail to explain why they are unwilling to go to court. They scream all day about ICE yet not one mother’s son has applied successfully to drastically curtail ICE actions in court because they all know that ICE is working within the law!” is simply not justified by the facts.
So what really is the ICE effort about? It is about terrorizing communities.Removals: ICE has just posted how many individuals it has removed since October 1, 2025. This date marks the beginning of fiscal year 2026. ICE reports it removed 56,392 individuals so far in FY 2026.
ICE also posted FY 2025 year-end figures for removals.[1] { [1]^ ICE has not revealed how many removals occurred between September 21 and 30, 2025 so actual numbers may be slightly higher.} As TRAC has previously reported, an estimated total of 85,769 of these removals took place while President Biden was still in office,[2] {[2]^ See TRAC’s earlier reports published February 25, 2025, March 25, 2025, and May 15, 2025.} leaving a total of 234,211 removals occurring after President Trump assumed office.
Adding the figures for FY 2025 and FY 2026 together, the total reported number of removals during the Trump administration is just 290,603. This is just 7 percent more than were removed in FY 2024 during the last full year of the Biden administration despite the enormous increase in the resources and government personnel devoted to this effort.
keep the aam admi quiet, instead of revolting on the repulsive Epstein files., Clinton was impeached for far less.. now Israel has given Trump the solution and trained the ICE how to "keep control" .A_Gupta wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 03:08 In U.S. immigration law, “removal” is the formal term for deportation. It refers to the legal process by which the government expels a noncitizen from the United States and returns them to their country of origin.
So how are all these extra ICE personal performing?
https://tracreports.org/reports/767/
November 25, 2025
So what really is the ICE effort about? It is about terrorizing communities.Removals: ICE has just posted how many individuals it has removed since October 1, 2025. This date marks the beginning of fiscal year 2026. ICE reports it removed 56,392 individuals so far in FY 2026.
ICE also posted FY 2025 year-end figures for removals.[1] { [1]^ ICE has not revealed how many removals occurred between September 21 and 30, 2025 so actual numbers may be slightly higher.} As TRAC has previously reported, an estimated total of 85,769 of these removals took place while President Biden was still in office,[2] {[2]^ See TRAC’s earlier reports published February 25, 2025, March 25, 2025, and May 15, 2025.} leaving a total of 234,211 removals occurring after President Trump assumed office.
Adding the figures for FY 2025 and FY 2026 together, the total reported number of removals during the Trump administration is just 290,603. This is just 7 percent more than were removed in FY 2024 during the last full year of the Biden administration despite the enormous increase in the resources and government personnel devoted to this effort.
CBP ( part of ICE - and those who killed/murdered Good - an American citizen) now using DoD lasers to shoot down
Why Indian Students are Disliked Abroad!
It was the first day of school in the USA and a new Indian student named Chandra Subramanian entered the 4th grade.
The teacher said, "Let's begin by reviewing some American History.
Teacher :- Who said 'Give me Liberty, or give me Death'?"
She saw a sea of blank faces except for Chandra, who had his hand up:
Chandra :- 'Patrick Henry, 1775,'.
'Very good!
Teacher :- Who said 'Government of the People, by the People, for the People,
shall not perish from the Earth?''
Again, no response except from Chandra:- 'Abraham Lincoln, 1863'.
The teacher snapped at the class, 'Class, you should be ashamed.
Chandra, who is new to our country, knows more about our history than you do.'
She heard a loud stage whisper: 'F(uk the Indians.'
'Who said that?' she demanded. But Chandra put his hand up. 'General Custer, 1862.'
At that point, a student in the back said, 'I'm gonna puke.'
The teacher glares around and asks 'All right! Now, who said that?'
Again, Chandra says, 'George Bush to the Japanese Prime Minister, 1991.'
Now furious, another student yells, 'Oh yeah? $(ck this!'
Chandra jumps out of his chair waving his hand and shouts to the teacher,
'Bill Clinton to Monica Lewinsky, 1997.'
Now with almost mob hysteria someone said
'You little shit. If you say anything else, I'll kill you.'
Chandra frantically yells at the top of his voice, 'Michael Jackson to the child witness testifying against him in 2004.'
The teacher fainted. And as the class gathered around the teacher on the floor, someone said, 'Oh shit, we're screwed!'
And Chandra said quietly, 'Lehmann Brothers, November 4th, 2008'.
The Trump administration on Thursday revoked a scientific finding that long has been the central basis for U.S. action to regulate greenhouse gas emissions and fight climate change , the most aggressive move by the Republican president to roll back climate regulations.
The rule finalized by the Environmental Protection Agency rescinds a 2009 government declaration known as the endangerment finding that determined that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases threaten public health and welfare.
The endangerment finding by the Obama administration is the legal underpinning of nearly all climate regulations under the Clean Air Act for motor vehicles, power plants and other pollution sources that are heating the planet.
President Donald Trump called the move “the single largest deregulatory action in American history, by far” while EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin called the endangerment finding “the Holy Grail of federal regulatory overreach.”
Latest invoice from Pakistan demanding payment for services landed on his deskA_Gupta wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 03:27 Now it is ten!
Trump repeats India-Pakistan ceasefire claims, now says '10 planes were shot down'
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india ... 23170.html
Virtually all scientific bodies and expert surveys have rejected or strongly criticized it.
OK. It was 10 ....................... F-16s!A_Gupta wrote: ↑12 Feb 2026 03:27 Now it is ten!
Trump repeats India-Pakistan ceasefire claims, now says '10 planes were shot down'
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india ... 23170.html