Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

[Brad Goodman]

Interesting article in atimes from Syed Saleem Shahzad

US takes the war into Pakistan

Islamabad has opened theaters in all of the tribal regions except North Waziristan, as it fears a militant backlash across the country would be unmanageable.

Is N. Waziristan the proverbial madhu makki (honey bee) ka chatta (hive) that once disturbed can really sting TSPA? Why is this area any special than S Wazirstan or other area in NWFP?

The plain fact cannot be missed: North Waziristan is the nerve center of the Afghan resistance and as long as Pakistan delays, the US will take matters into its own hands.

Now how true is this?

[putnanja]

In TFT this week, Khaled Ahmed has written an article on the "UN Report Pages that have not been read". It details the military-militant nexus. This is a must read for all.

Good one SS. I know you are pressed for time, but can you post your thoughts on your blog? Along with links to Anujan's youtube on the press conference by the UN commission investigating BB's murder?

Just want to make sure that we are spreading the good word as much as possible.

[Karna_A]

Methinks Kayani is the real "ringleader" who gave the go ahead for 26/11. Sometimes signs in history are difficult to read when the come decades apart (and besides I may be wrong) but just like some tribes used to have a tradition where a young man "comes of age" only after he has killed a bull or something, the Pakistani army has required an army chief to "prove his credentials" by initiating action against India. That gives him status and respect in the inner circles of Pakistan.

To go back over the last 40 odd years, Ayub Khan initiated the 1965 war. Yahya the 1971 war, Mushy started Kargil and Kayani signaled his "arrival" by ordering Mumbai. (Only Zia had Afghanistan to his credit, probably Khalistan as well) There is nothing happy about suffering a Mumbai like attack, but if my guess and timeline is true it means that over 40 years the Pakistanis army's action against India has moved completely from Pakarmy vs Indian armed forces to "non state actors" versus Indian armed forces to "non state actors" versus Indian civilians.

Right and wrong. Right on the generics and wrong on specifics.
the Pakistani army has required an army chief to "prove his credentials" by initiating action against India (That's right)
Not only in TSPA, but among the aam junta and all sorts of acronymns, ISI, TTP, LET, JEM which are nothing but one and the same people, a strong action against India gets respect, obedience and retirement goodies.

But 26/11 in it's conception was too small an operation to have been gone at Kayanee level or even ISI chief level. It was no different than Akshardham and in its expected results the parliament attack was way bigger.
26/11 success surprised the TSPA top brass as it shocked Indians and later TSP brass usurped it.
Kargil was a way bigger operation and Mushy got his 10 years due to it.

Kayanee I guess is still waiting for that golden chance to "prove his credentials".

[Amber G.]

Investigators seek money courier in NYC bomb plot

[shiv]

But 26/11 in it's conception was too small an operation to have been gone at Kayanee level or even ISI chief level. .

26/11 was small? Maybe in America. It was big here in India and I suspect it was okayed at the highest levels. There is as much proof for what I believe as what you claim. None whatsoever.

[Carl_T]

Well most attacks are small if you're comparing to 9/11. But the fact that 26/11 involved 20 highly trained commandos rather than 2 idiots with shoe bombs puts it on a different level in terms of planning and organization. If 26/11 had happened at a school or train station in NY, I don't think you'd say that.

[Amber G.]

“I’m not going to entertain a question that implicates one country, and to suggest that all terrorism in the world is the responsibility of one country. That’s not true,” said Mr Crowley.

Pakistanis too had “lost thousands and thousands of their military men and women as well as their civilians due to terrorist attacks”.

Mr. Crowley is sounding more and more like a pimp defending his ward..
US tones down tirade against Pakistan

[Karna_A]

What I understand about Faisal Shahzad

The moderate and innocent majority collectively bear the brunt of the sins of a deluded minority, such as Faisal Shahzad.

Islam was recently voted "the third worst brand disaster of the decade" thanks to a few deluded individuals -- out of the vast 1.5 billion members of Muslim communities -- who have engaged in violent jihadi movements, honor killings, suicide bombings and pathetic assassination threats directed at satirical cartoonists.

The moderate and innocent majority collectively bear the brunt of the sins of a deluded minority, such as Faisal Shahzad.

We face increased calls to "police our own."

It's impossible that Faisal's brother in Canada or his wife's relatives in Colorado did not know what he was up to. Unless the Pakis start reporting on their own, they would continue to be the international pariahs.
There are 180K Pakis travelling between TSP and US every year and it is collective responsibility of them to check the radicals out among them.

[Karna_A]

But 26/11 in it's conception was too small an operation to have been gone at Kayanee level or even ISI chief level. .

26/11 was small? Maybe in America. It was big here in India and I suspect it was okayed at the highest levels. There is as much proof for what I believe as what you claim. None whatsoever.

It's clear what I wrote:
26/11 in it's conception was small(as compared to say Kargil where whole divisions were moved) though it was quite big in it's results.
The parliament attack was a much bigger conception though it's results were smaller.

[shiv]

Well most attacks are small if you're comparing to 9/11. But the fact that 26/11 involved 20 highly trained commandos rather than 2 idiots with shoe bombs puts it on a different level in terms of planning and organization. If 26/11 had happened at a school or train station in NY, I don't think you'd say that.

Carl - it was 10 trained men. The had satellite phones, GPS navigation equipment (obtained in Pakistan?) and probably had guidance from the Pakistan navy for navigation in the way they managed to evade detection despite hijacking two boats. IIRC one of the handlers voices recorded during the attacks was that of a Paki army officer.

Of course claiming that this is "small" or "minor" and was done by "non state actors" without army permission from the highest levels is par for the course from typical Pakistani sources, and their supporters the Americans. After all even Kargil was claimed to be a small local operation by the very freedom fighters that Reagan use to fete.

[shiv]

It's clear what I wrote:
26/11 in it's conception was small(as compared to say Kargil where whole divisions were moved) though it was quite big in it's results.
The parliament attack was a much bigger conception though it's results were smaller.

You are entitled to your viewpoint. But it is only your viewpoint. No more.

[ramana]

“I’m not going to entertain a question that implicates one country, and to suggest that all terrorism in the world is the responsibility of one country. That’s not true,” said Mr Crowley.

Pakistanis too had “lost thousands and thousands of their military men and women as well as their civilians due to terrorist attacks”.

Mr. Crowley is sounding more and more like a pimp defending his ward..
US tones down tirade against Pakistan

AmberG, Joe Sixpack awareness of TSP's terror factories and US govt non-action is increasing with every news report. Might pull up others of South Asian descent if needed to maintan balance.

[Brad Goodman]

[quote="Amber G] Mr. Crowley is sounding more and more like a pimp defending his ward..
US tones down tirade against Pakistan [/quote]

I agree instead of seeking truth this guy is going out of his way to defend Pakis.

Assistant Secretary of State Philip Crowley said he would not allow the department’s platform to be used to suggest that all terrorist activities in the world originated in that country.

come on now either you give us a list of countries from where all terror activities originate or just call spade a spade. Why this beating around the bush to protect H&D of these perverts.

[shiv]

Assistant Secretary of State Philip Crowley said he would not allow the department’s platform to be used to suggest that all terrorist activities in the world originated in that country.

And when an attack does occur out of Pakistan, it is minor, and the highest levels of government are not involved. Only non state actors. Who says the US and chamchas are not hand in glove with Pakis

[saip]

This FS case seems to bring up quite a lot of questions in my mind. If he did actually intend causing damage, did he really think that he wouldn't be tracked down even if the car exploded and there were only shreds left behind at the scene?

If he actually did know he could be tracked down, why didn't he leave the country on the same night? That tells me he was planning on not being tracked down by the fbi or dhs and decided to leave the country when they were close to getting him. If that is the case, did he leave on his own or was he told to leave by someone from outside.

He was over confident and amatuerish. He probably never thought the car would be traced back to him. Otherwise it is very difficult to explain his actions. He even forgot the keys of his get away car in the SUV. Then he went back to his apartment and got his landlord to open the apartment and collected his suzuki and waited another day before he tried to flee. This was like the first world trade center bombing. In that the idiot went back to Uhaul co (?) to collect his deposit and never expected that the FBI would be able to trace the truck.

[Karna_A]

He was over confident and amatuerish. He probably never thought the car would be traced back to him. Otherwise it is very difficult to explain his actions. He even forgot the keys of his get away car in the SUV. Then he went back to his apartment and got his landlord to open the apartment and collected his suzuki and waited another day before he tried to flee. This was like the first world trade center bombing. In that the idiot went back to Uhaul co (?) to collect his deposit and never expected that the FBI would be able to trace the truck.

This idiot was confused between seedha and putha which happens when your left brain logical thinking has a virus and right brain subjective thinking is dead.

Wrong fertilizer, Wrong firecrackers, Wrong keys, Wrong getaway
Right email address, Right phone, Right passport, Right destination

[James B]

Pakistanis pose as Indians after NY bomb scare

Pakistani merchants and job seekers in the United States, still reeling from economic hardship since the September 11 attacks of 2001, are posing as Indians to avoid discrimination in the wake of the Times Square bomb attempt.

"A lot of Pakistanis can't get jobs after 9/11 and now it's even worse," said Asghar Choudhri, an accountant and chairman of Brooklyn's Pakistani American Merchant Association. "They are now pretending they are Indian so they can get a job."

In Washington, an American of Pakistani heritage who would only be identified as Farhan, said a manager of a suburban home-improvement store prevented him from buying two bags of fertilizer for his family's lawn on Tuesday.

Farhan, who was born in northern Virginia, said police arrived soon after, investigated and allowed him to buy the fertilizer.

The FBI also arrested many undocumented workers in the neighborhood, leading to a wave of deportations, and residents would call law enforcement to make claims against their neighbors, including many false claims, Choudhri said.

"After 9/11, we took much pain," he said. "After that, a small beating is nothing. Now the Pakistanis are not so much scared but we are ashamed. We are embarrassed that the name of Pakistan came up. "

Jingo ka dil kush hua..

[Brad Goodman]

Here are some probablities that could have happened or might be figments of my imagination

Guy was a double agent. Now it takes years to groom some one first you find the right person who has the required IQ as well as right connections and right ethnicity to blend into the area. So when you find some one like DCH or FS agencies are over joyed. Then you prepare them train them motivate them do background research etc all this takes months if not years in terms of time then there are so many people who need to worl hard to get all the data etc .

Once your horse (ponies in this case) get ready u send them over now these guys need to establish contacts and prove that they are not working for unkil to get the required trust which again takes months to years to acheive

Now finally you add all that this is when if you are successful in both stages the cow will give milk. The quantity & quality is again a suspect. What happens is these guys can also become double agent who want to wage jihad fi sabilallh or what ever it is called as well as have a mortgage and live their american dream. So once in a while when their inner pakistaniat gets better of them they do such acts. Now as CIA u say I have put too many hours in this guy & I can still use him where are FBI is tracing to pin him down. This explains why task force went to the owner of condo that the guy purchased from FS also explains why he was allowed to bard plane and also why he was arrested.

Now this could also be a figment of my imagination since in real world we are trying to piece a story from 20 - 30 % information and some times not all of that you know is true as well so you guys can punch holes in this theory and I will not complain.

[Kati]

WARNING, WARNING .......Pakis are changing color soon
(as they always do in spite of their H&D)

'Pakistanis Pose as Indians after the NY Bomb Scare'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100507/ind ... ia483210_1

This reporter must got pissed off, and that's why chooses a nice title.
The article has very little to do with the title.

[surinder]

Uncle has a policy, a long-standing policy, that if it takes a country on as an ally, one of the things it does is to make attempts to protect it from public cirticism. Uncle takes its decision to demonize or protect based on the fact that the relationship is that of an ally or adversary. Hence TSP gets GOTUS protection in public opinion arena. It uses its contacts within the media to suppress and downplay stories related to that (to the extent possible, of course.)

That is why it is a wonderful for a country to be an 'ally' of Uncle, you get honor publicly, while you are compelled to do dishonorable acts in private. For a cuntry like TSP, it is not a bad bargain actually.

(The word "ally" in Uncle parlance often means client, actually. In this case it is obviously a client state.)

[abhijitm]

But 26/11 in it's conception was too small an operation to have been gone at Kayanee level or even ISI chief level. It was no different than Akshardham and in its expected results the parliament attack was way bigger.
26/11 success surprised the TSPA top brass as it shocked Indians and later TSP brass usurped it.
Kargil was a way bigger operation and Mushy got his 10 years due to it.

Kayanee I guess is still waiting for that golden chance to "prove his credentials".

I dont think its true. No one knows the reality but everyone knows the nexus between all these groups and PA. In fact the bond between ISI, JEM, LET etc is so strong that one cannot differentiate water from water. So there is very high probability that their every india specific mission is watched by PA/ISI dogs.

[brihaspati]

It could be a case of the right hand not knowing what the left was doing. It was perhaps important to corner the "PAKTalebs" and show them in a certain light. But the other agencies took a dim view and hence the fiasco. One problem with the heightened anti-terror setups is that black-ops are facing more problems of exposure.

[Brad Goodman]

Agree Surinder Ji its works for TSP since their H&D is protected in public or in some cases enhanced and then in private they are ready for GUBO as long as $$ are flowing.

[Karna_A]

I dont think its true. No one knows the reality but everyone knows the nexus between all these groups and PA. In fact the bond between ISI, JEM, LET etc is so strong that one cannot differentiate water from water. So there is very high probability that their every india specific mission is watched by PA/ISI dogs.

Of course that is true that every mission is an ISI operation.
But to maintain plausible deniability, sometimes they put up a facade.
Whether Kayanee is complicit or not is a moot question. Sure he is. The general policy is decided by him.
Was it his defining moment wrt India? Who knows, but looking at past Kargil etc. looks like he may have something more up his sleeve to secure his retirement.

An example of plausible deniability is the Dwood question. Every time the TSP FM or Mushy used to come to India or US and deny that Dawood is not in TSP. Technically in TSPeak they were right as "during that duration" he was whisked to Dubai or in a ship in Arabian Sea or 1 Km in Afghan border. But of course its moot that they were surely complicit in Dwood's illegal residency.

[Prem]

WARNING, WARNING .......Pakis are changing color soon
(as they always do in spite of their H&D)
'Pakistanis Pose as Indians after the NY Bomb Scare'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100507/ind ... ia483210_1
This reporter must got pissed off, and that's why chooses a nice title.
The article has very little to do with the title.

First, the behaviour of Paki Shahzadi Faisal after TS fiasco calls for serious study of the effect of inbreeding on Paki brain. Wonder if the family will aceept Her back after few hot shot encounter in Shaikh Uncle's Sarajari House.
Second thing to study is the current Paki behaviour of pretending to be Indian in relation with their conversion to Islam under Mugal time. AFAIK,there was wholesale "convulsion' in Aurangjeb's time. The inabaility to cope with duress still sticking to these weak converts. Diminshed brain capacity and in ability to cope with adverse circumstances and tedency to indulge in terrorism, fake H&D and incessant begging truly calls for expulsion from normal human society.
Dear Pak lurkers, if there is little pride left, either deport yourself voluntarily from USA or if little humanity left then convert again .

[Brad Goodman]

It is height of shamelessness to be willing to taquiya and call one an Indian. I mean come on what happened to pakistan ka matlab kya....... and to H&D of all those compatriots so this proves that non resident pakis can sell their mothers if required to stay in kuffar land. But hold a minute the same thing is the moto of TSPA. So there is not much difference between TSPA and NRP but these days NRP's are barking on every newpaper that they are not jihadis. If we cannot beleive what they are saying for their nationality how can we beleive what they say about their love of kuffar lands and violence.

What happened to all those arguments that we are TFTA and they are SDRE. Plus SDRE have a small tool size how can they fake that? Wait a minute does that mean additional khatna man the first one was unbearable now if the barber uses his rusty ustara (razor) again that will not be fun come one so many mullas have wasted 100 of TV hrs convincing how pakis resemble turks central asians and arab's why not use those nationalities to hide behind. Why does the donkey want to wear tiger skin?

Jinnah & Iqbal will be rolling in their graves to see pakis calling themselves Indians. I am sure mulla Zaid will come on tv with lal topi and say koi baat nahi hume chot lagi hai but this is a very clever plan to commit crime and claim that we are bharati so that bharat gets bad name but this jahil does not know unkil has everything tied to finger prints so the minute they run his FP in their database they will find his entire janam kundali.

[Karna_A]

WARNING, WARNING .......Pakis are changing color soon
(as they always do in spite of their H&D)

'Pakistanis Pose as Indians after the NY Bomb Scare'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100507/ind ... ia483210_1

IPCP: Indic Past Confused Pakis are getting smarter.
They were earlier putting a BMW engine in a Tractor and pretending to be rough, tough, dangerous and what not.
Except running that peculiar, bizarre and paradoxical machine did every thing.

Having badly crashed and burnt their earlier Avatar, they have suddenly come upon a better idea.
From now on they are going to be putting a Tractor's engine in a BMW and pretend every thing is Hunky-Dory, and cool and calm and poised.
Well, good luck with that. I just hope they don't put the wrong fertilizer in it's fuel tank or it may become a Flying Saucer!

[CRamS]

Lets keep bashing TSP, and I am enjoing the TSP pigs running with their tails between their legs and posing as Indians, but lets also keep in mind that at the end of the day, TSP has its 3.5 to counterbalance the angst the 3.5 have against us SDREs:

1) TSP gets to keep LET even after Times Square.
2) TSP gets civilian nuke deal by proxy, actually a better one that what India has.

[CRamS]

“I’m not going to entertain a question that implicates one country, and to suggest that all terrorism in the world is the responsibility of one country. That’s not true,” said Mr Crowley.

Pakistanis too had “lost thousands and thousands of their military men and women as well as their civilians due to terrorist attacks”.

Mr. Crowley is sounding more and more like a pimp defending his ward..
US tones down tirade against Pakistan

Exactly. Next thing you know, Crowley will start doing equal equal by bringing in "Hindu extremism". That sure will assuage TSP's H&D. Actualy, "secular" Indian govt did exactly that; the day Kesab receieved the guilty verdict, they implicated "Hindu extremists" including RSS for Ajmer bombing, and dutifully, Silly Butt did the equal equal commentary on rediff.

[pgbhat]

Times Square bomb suspect had links to terror preacher

Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani-born US citizen has told interrogators that he been inspired to take up the cause of al Qaeda and radical Islam by the internet messages of Anwar Al-Awlaki, a Yemen-based imam.

Awlaki, who was born in America, was accused of grooming Nidal Hasan in a series of emails before the US soldier opened fire at the Texas military base last year.

Mr Shahzad also admitted that he had met with member of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a separate group responsible for the attacks on the Indian city of Mumbai in 2008.

[ramana]

Wonder when link to David Headley will surface.

[archan]

looks like ramana ji has been right on spot on this dude.

[CRamS]

Mr Shahzad also admitted that he had met with member of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a separate group responsible for the attacks on the Indian city of Mumbai in 2008. [/size]

I think it was on Wednesady evening on NPR's all things considered, they had a segment on his connections to LET. I missed that segment (just heard the headlines), but it might be available on NPR web site.

[ramana]

Archanji, Its all based on learning here. I think he doesn't fit the fat behind Azhar's profile for J-e-M. He is more DCH type profile for L-e-T.

Will bet by next week his links to DCH will surface.

India should ask for interrogating him about 26/11 connections and linkages and see what US has to say. No please bargain yet for this guy.

* Ithink only folks that will use : ullah, uddin, mian will be benis members. We will soon see honorifics Faisal ji etc

[Amber G.]

'Pakistanis Pose as Indians after the NY Bomb Scare'

If one goes by deaf-n-dumb forum, at least one Paki is quite upset with this, he says:

I will be rather called a terrorist than an Indian.

[Prem]

Puckerjadeh 's journey from Ghajwa to Taqqiya matches the downhill speed ski skills of their their fauj based on Zakat, Takkiya and Surrender .

[CRamS]

Shahzad's training may have been with the group Lashkar-e-Taiba

[ramana]

Shahzad's training may have been with the group Lashkar-e-Taiba

They drag in Kashmir and yet the guy went back to US for his practice. So how can this be on the Kashmir Escalator? And if he used his links to get to JeM then who did he get trained at L-e-T camp? Unless all this is seamlessly coordinated by a higher authority(ISI) playing the master pianist.

[ramana]

Nigthwatch 6 may 2010 says

Pakistan-US: The government has formed an unusual investigative team that includes agents from the Inter-Services Intelligence General Directorate; Military Intelligence; the Intelligence Bureau; the Federal Investigation Agency; the Crime Investigation Department and the Special Investigation Group, the Daily Times reported 6 May. The team is charged with investigating the suspect of the 1 May bombing attempt at the United States' Times Square.

{So just IB is not enough. Wonder why they needed such a large group of six (6) investigating agencies? Is it in case there are unfavorable leads the quest can be led astray?}


Pakistan is pursuing information from the United States on Faisal Shahzad and his friends, and telephone, bank and computer records. Pakistan will ask Interpol to return Pakistani citizens possibly involved in the failed attack. Shahzad used 17 mobile SIMs (subscriber identity module) in both countries, investigators said. Money transfers will also be investigated.

The formation of a joint team from all investigatory and intelligence agencies is unusual and impressive, even in principle.

Why would the guy use so many SIMS? Isn't multiple SIMS an ISI trade mark to avoid monitoring? And doesn't the number indicate some hera pheri?

[CRamS]

Lest we forget: Shahzad is a travesty of the real thing — Ajmal Kasab