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Supreme Court has warned Rahul Ghandy not to make derogatory statements against Veer Savarkar Ji in future, else SC may take suo motu cognisance.

SC also asks Abhishek Singhvi if Rahul Ghandy knows even MK Gandhi used words 'YOUR FAITHFUL SERVANT in communication to Britishers.

Remarks on Savarkar: "They gave us freedom and you treat them like this": Supreme Court to Rahul Gandhi


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SUPREME COURT GIVES SUPREME LASHING TO ENTITLED DYNAST RAHUL GANDHI ON VEER SAVARKAR JI INSULT

WILL RAHUL APOLOGISE ?
Will Uddhav ji and Sharad Pawar ji ask him to?

*‘we will not allow you to speak anything about ...the freedom fighters. they have given us freedom’* : SC raps Rahul Gandhi for Veer Savarkar remark

Justice Datta asked if Mahatma Gandhi could be called the servant of the Britishers *merely because he used the term "your faithful servant" in his letters to the Viceroy.*

“Does your client *know Mahatma Gandhi also used "your faithful servant" while addressing the Viceroy?* Does your client know that his grandmother, when she was the Prime Minister, *also sent a letter praising the gentleman(Savarkar), the freedom fighter?"* Justice Datta asked Senior Advocate AM Singhvi, who was representing Gandhi.

*"Let him not make irresponsible statements about the freedom fighters. Is this the way you treat freedom fighters?," Justice Datta asked.*

"He is a political leader of a political party? *You go to Maharashtra and make a statement, he is worshipped there. Don't do this,"* Justice Datta said
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chetak wrote: 25 Apr 2025 19:13 SUPREME COURT GIVES SUPREME LASHING TO ENTITLED DYNAST RAHUL GANDHI ON VEER SAVARKAR JI INSULT
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WILL RAHUL APOLOGISE ?
Will Uddhav ji and Sharad Pawar ji ask him to?
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You missed the trees for the woods. The Supreme Court made all this grandoise statements and STAYED further legal proceedings against Pappu. That means he will never have to appear in court and defend his statements. The people who filed the case and took it through the District Court, High Court and the Supreme Court has been now frusturated. So Pappu actually got away with the statement.
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Sachin wrote: 25 Apr 2025 19:48
chetak wrote: 25 Apr 2025 19:13 SUPREME COURT GIVES SUPREME LASHING TO ENTITLED DYNAST RAHUL GANDHI ON VEER SAVARKAR JI INSULT
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WILL RAHUL APOLOGISE ?
Will Uddhav ji and Sharad Pawar ji ask him to?
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You missed the trees for the woods. The Supreme Court made all this grandoise statements and STAYED further legal proceedings against Pappu. That means he will never have to appear in court and defend his statements. The people who filed the case and took it through the District Court, High Court and the Supreme Court has been now frusturated. So Pappu actually got away with the statement.

not really Sachin ji, his lies have been outed again and by no less an agency than the SC.

In the court of public opinion, it is one more nail in his coffin of dynaastic privilege
Remarks on Savarkar: Supreme Court warns Rahul Gandhi not to make such statements in future as it may take suo motu cognisance.

anyone can file a case against the pizza puppet after this, should he be foolish enough to repeat this calumny and he surely will do so just to showcase his alleged "independence and fearlessness" to impress his woke supporters

he and his family members have become objects of ridicule both in and out of parliament and no one dares to take up a case of defamation on his behalf.

The BJP is playing this up and orchestrating it out exactly how the congis would have played it..... ..... testimonials caught in a bear trap that has snapped tightly shut

hizzonners will also take the flak publicly because some one like Nishikant Dubey will surely call them out for hypocrisy

What is not shown by the desi dork media is broadcast nation wide via the parliament TV channels and video clips are being forwarded far and wide
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chetak wrote: 23 Apr 2025 03:01 my money is on SJ
SJ will not be. Even NS has better chance than SJ. If Sangh wants the last budget of this govt will see IT Exemption limit raised to 15 lakhs and she will contest and win too. She will be the First Female PM for BJP. Also from the South.
But above all its what the people want. People want Yogi. BJP leaders need to govern a state and showcase their capability. Yogi is the Only leader capable to be PM with those Yardsticks. Dark horse need to be more capable than Yogi who has won election and showcased some governance capability. In that sense even Devendra Fadnavis and Himant Biswa are the only close contestants. Now BJP is not yet ready to move Yogi and hand over UP like state into the hands of opposition. So its Modi 4.0 once again. After that Yogi will come.
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uddu wrote: 26 Apr 2025 20:43
chetak wrote: 23 Apr 2025 03:01 my money is on SJ
SJ will not be. Even NS has better chance than SJ. If Sangh wants the last budget of this govt will see IT Exemption limit raised to 15 lakhs and she will contest and win too. She will be the First Female PM for BJP. Also from the South.
But above all its what the people want. People want Yogi. BJP leaders need to govern a state and showcase their capability. Yogi is the Only leader capable to be PM with those Yardsticks. Dark horse need to be more capable than Yogi who has won election and showcased some governance capability. In that sense even Devendra Fadnavis and Himant Biswa are the only close contestants. Now BJP is not yet ready to move Yogi and hand over UP like state into the hands of opposition. So its Modi 4.0 once again. After that Yogi will come.


uddu ji,


SJ is the best bet that we currently have, unless AS takes over, which option would also serve India very well

many people don't know jack shit. they listened to baseless rumours, lost faith in their leaders and almost politically castrated the BJP govt in 2024, more over, they are not grateful or even loyal. They are greedy and mostly seek personal benefits in terms of revdi, no matter which govt is in power. Are these the "people" that we should listen to. We need ideological commitment from voters and not end up pandering to some appeasement hungry weather cock following electorate seeking the maximum short term benefits, even if they sunk the state (eg dilli, karnataka) in the faustian bargain. These "people" almost undid Modi ji and the BJP in 2024

The bull dozers will not go on for too long and so we need a permeant fix and a long term solution to safeguard our civilization

If yogi leaves UP, the jihadis will gain the upper hand easily. (His so called rss approved "successors" from the BJP and UP's venal babooze will ensure that). Each state needs a yogi of their own who is capable of operating in situ, free from interferences. Finding another Yogi ji is also next to impossible

dealing with lumpen elements in UP and dealing with lumpen elements on a geopolitical and global stage are very different ball games.

To find another Modi ji is like trying to find a snowball in hell. We are not that lucky

The next best option is to separate the duties and maximise the fruits of expertise and let each work to his/her strengths in the internal and external domains

Sushma swaraj, with her agenda to become PM, and her fixation with "seniority" opened the floodgates to paki visa seekers. Advani would have sunk the country a long time ago, had he made it to the PM's gaddi just because it was "his turn". He was the personification of the useless aman ki tamasha syndrome with delusions of grandeur, and his tangible contribution to the nation stagnated, even as his unbridled ambitions continued to grow boundlessly. He was a lootyens favorite

have we forgotten how the BJP gang of four operated
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X posted from the economy thread


So Mossad found out that Gandhi family was co-ordinating with foreign sources to damage Modi & Adani.

The secret of Rahul Gandhi is out in open now.



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https://sputniknews.in/20250423/how-mos ... 15558.html



Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu personally ordered Mossad to counter a global campaign against Indian billionaire Gautam Adani, sources told Sputnik India.

Israel's spy agency Mossad hacked into the home servers of Sam Pitroda, the head of Indian Overseas Congress (IOC) and the political guru of Congress MP Rahul Gandhi, to look for evidence into the Indian opposition's alleged links to the Hindenburg Research, informed sources have told Sputnik India.

Pitroda is based out of Oakbrook Terrace in the US state of Illinois.

These sources shared that Mossad was "activated" on Adani's case after 24 January, 2023, the day New York-based short-seller accused Adani of pulling off the biggest "con" in India's corporate history, wiping off around $150 billion of the company's assets and triggering India's biggest stock market crash.

The Hindenburg charges against Adani surfaced a week before Adani Ports and Special Economic Zone (APSEZ) inked a $1.2 billion deal to acquire controlling stakes in Haifa, Israel's largest port.


Sources said that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, present at the time of the Haifa deal, personally enquired group's chairman Gautam Adani about the Hindenburg charges.

Adani was the only one from his organisation present at the meeting, while Netanyahu was accompanied by several of his aides, including Eshel Armoni, Haifa port's outgoing chairman and an ex-Mossad spy.


“This report... It is a serious threat to your business, isn’t it?” Netantyahu asked Adani at the time, sources revealed.

Adani replied, “Not at all. “It’s all lies.”


"Yes, we realize it is fabricated. But even if you see no threat, we have to be concerned. If it weakens you, it could sabotage not just this port deal but everything we have worked to build with India," the Israeli Prime Minister told the Indian guest.

Netanyahu went to the extent of describing the Hindenburg charges against Adani as an "indirect attack" on Israel, these sources said.

"Israel believes in protecting its friends. We’re going to look into this – very closely," Netanyahu assured Adani. At the time, Adani didn't have any idea that Netanyahu planned to rope in Mossad to counter Hindenburg and its global web of supporters.
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Sachin wrote: 25 Apr 2025 19:48
chetak wrote: 25 Apr 2025 19:13 SUPREME COURT GIVES SUPREME LASHING TO ENTITLED DYNAST RAHUL GANDHI ON VEER SAVARKAR JI INSULT
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WILL RAHUL APOLOGISE ?
Will Uddhav ji and Sharad Pawar ji ask him to?
...
You missed the trees for the woods. The Supreme Court made all this grandoise statements and STAYED further legal proceedings against Pappu. That means he will never have to appear in court and defend his statements. The people who filed the case and took it through the District Court, High Court and the Supreme Court has been now frusturated. So Pappu actually got away with the statement.


here you go again Sachin ji.


the cases have not stopped. If the SC interferes again, it will be at great damage to itself as an institution


26 Apr 2025

More trouble for Rahul Gandhi: Pune court summons Raebareli MP in defamation case over ‘Veer Savarkar’ remark

Congress leader Rahul Gandhi has been summoned by a Pune court in a defamation case filed by a relative of Veer Savarkar after comments he made in London.

He is expected to attend the hearing on May 9.


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chetak wrote: 26 Apr 2025 22:51 the cases have not stopped. If the SC interferes again, it will be at great damage to itself as an institution
Thanks ! This is a fresh case lodged by Veer Savarkar's relative. The case for which Pappu got stay at Supreme Court is a different one (case filed with Allahabad High Court). So looks like the game plan is to file different cases, by different persons with different "cause of action" at different courts against Shri. Pappu Ghandi.
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Corruption In ED, CBI & Other Govt Depts Shakes Entire Edifice Of Investigating Machinery: Delhi HC



अच्छा? Wasn't Yashwant Varma in same Delhi HC when cash haul was allegedly found at residence? Why No FIR? No Suspension?

Why this Kolaveri-D, MiLords? Some allegations are good?

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... s?from=mdr
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Taking to X, Maharashtra Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis informed about the purchase of the iconic sword belonging to the Nagpur Bhosale dynasty’s founder, calling it a “valuable and historical treasure” of the Maratha Empire.

“I am delighted to announce that the historical sword of Raje Raghuji Bhosale, the founder of the Nagpur Bhosale dynasty, which was put up for auction in London, has been purchased by the state government. As a result, a valuable and historical treasure of our Maratha Empire will now return to Maharashtra,” CM Fadnavis wrote.

He further highlighted the valorous deeds of Raghuji Bhosale, lauding him as a great military commander and political leader.

“Raghuji Bhosale was a significant commander in the Maratha army during the era of Chhatrapati Shahu Maharaj. Impressed by his war strategies and valor, Chhatrapati Shahu Maharaj bestowed upon him the title of ‘Senasahibsubha.’ In the 1740s, Raghuji Bhosale led military campaigns against the Nawabs of Bengal, expanding the Maratha Empire to Bengal and Odisha. He also established his military and political dominance in South India. Our Cultural Affairs Minister, Ashish Shelar, the Additional Chief Secretary of the Cultural Affairs Department, and Vikas Kharge, who works in my office, swiftly coordinated efforts to accomplish this feat. There were some technical difficulties, so the purchase was made through an intermediary. The state government will pay 47.15 lakh rupees for this,” Fadnavis added.



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Caste Census announced
So some Napak emasculation and Caste Census will take all the wind out of INC+RJD sails
The entitled shithead is now looking worried about not just Bihar but OCOE if it happens in 2026!!
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SRajesh wrote: 30 Apr 2025 21:37 Caste Census announced
So some Napak emasculation and Caste Census will take all the wind out of INC+RJD sails
The entitled shithead is now looking worried about not just Bihar but OCOE if it happens in 2026!!


SRajesh ji,


this is a IWT type of strike with a wide scope and not limited merely to INC+RJD metrics



the "official" caste census will also enumerate rolers, ropers, illegal beedis, illegal paki settlers, rohingiyas, illegal nepalese, illegal maldivians, illegal lankans and illegal afghans in India.

the pizza puppet would not have anticipated this and nor would his jihadi (roler + roper) vote banks be happy about it. the (roler + roper) higher castes have monopolized the social and hierarchical ecosystems, grabbing all the malai for themselves including the graveyard spaces

hope that just like in some cities, after strays which are neutered, get their ears notched, these jihadis also be identified pahalgam style, and their little "pride and joy" is also notched with a blunt and rusty knife

the bigger the notch, the better will be the caste census and here's hoping that the notched pizza porker will permanently emigrate to thighland and form its govt in exile


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Bhailog
Can this Census and Caste census added be a backdoor entry of the NRC??
As Chetakji has mentioned can we identify all illegals and throw them out!!
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I don't see how a caste census identifies non-citizens any better than the regular census. I thought and continue to think that a caste census is a very bad idea.
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Signals they are out of ideas because growth/development is flagging, and looks to be another misstep like the language policy.
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Caste census is the first step to forcing reservation in private sectors. aka DEI.
Caste census is the next step to rearranging reservation scheme to caste percentages. No more 50% open quota. If you are branded "forward", forget it!
Caste census is the next step to slowing down the growth story.
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Wrt caste census,this is like a kitchen knife.

If used in good way like cutting vegetables, it will b e useful.

If used wrongly as in the hands of a "jee hadi" can cause injury.

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Considering that caste census has been raised, and some form of acceptance by MMS govt previously.This was NOT followed up by Namo govt since 2014.

Last official caste census by britshit in 1931. None done since then.

Personally prefer Namo govt does the caste census than "al-lah who akbar" party congress.

Genie is out of the closet. Embrace it.
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krisna wrote: 01 May 2025 07:42 Wrt caste census,this is like a kitchen knife.

If used in good way like cutting vegetables, it will b e useful.

If used wrongly as in the hands of a "jee hadi" can cause injury.

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Considering that caste census has been raised, and some form of acceptance by MMS govt previously.This was NOT followed up by Namo govt since 2014.

Last official caste census by britshit in 1931. None done since then.

Personally prefer Namo govt does the caste census than "al-lah who akbar" party congress.

Genie is out of the closet. Embrace it.
as rightly said, caste census is a double edge sword.

if we look at RSS idea, this can be used as a forward mobility tool to move caste across list say from SC to BC, BC to general.
bring in economic survey angle to exclude people from reservation even among SC/ST.
there are many who want to include themselves into BC and ST as well. this need data to justify.

Micro level politics will see techtonic shift since current power center (atleast in TN) is based on few obc caste who are not superiour in numeric strength.
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Looks like Namo is steadily dismantling "neverwho" policies along with flushing gandhism in the toilet :D gently.

1) article 370
2) truncated J&K, ladakh separated
3) Indus water treaty in abeyance - more or less rendered toothless
4) neverwho opposed caste census the n. He was vehement in its opposition. But Namo turned it on its head by agreeing to it. (Congress underMMS did do some work on this but with nefarious intent)
5) Gandhism flushed gently the toilet t towards the terr0istan. Savarkar pragmatism and real geo politics in play.
6) with pahalgam terr0ist attack,rounding of illegals pakis and bdees etc in full swing. Shocking that lot came on short term and long term visas,married stayed permanently inside creating massive vote banks
7) RJB Ayodhya SOLVED
8) de colonization of Bharat in many sectors including defence
9) Change and reform of laws from britshit to Indianising them


Dil maange more
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vera_k wrote: 01 May 2025 04:09 Signals they are out of ideas because growth/development is flagging, and looks to be another misstep like the language policy.
The US economy shrank by 0.3% in the first quarter. I'm sure India is also feeling the effects of that. There are also three major trade agreements in the works, which if they come through, will help with growth. "Out of ideas" needs more justification.
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krisna wrote: 01 May 2025 08:36 Looks like Namo is steadily dismantling "neverwho" policies along with flushing gandhism in the toilet :D gently
Dil maange more
Just like the nuclear war red-line.
- if our army crosses LOC and attack TSP, there will be a nuclear war.
well, we have crossed multiple times now - surgical strikes, balakot, and now IWT.

Similarly, there was internal red line
- if we touch "their" laws, there will be riots all over.
see, we crossed their red line now - triple talaq, waqf, 370,
now, the bigger items - UCC, population control can be done.
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A_Gupta wrote: 01 May 2025 09:06 "Out of ideas" needs more justification.
Caste came to the fore in the 80s via Mandal when growth was averaging about ~6% a year. It retreated with Hindu-Muslim polarization in the 90s followed by higher economic growth so far. Its coming back with growth falling back to ~6% a year.
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Its coming back with growth falling back to ~6% a year.
vera_k ji, growth has actually been ~ 8% the last few years... and formal job creation has been in excess of 10 mn annually as well. It's the presstituts who ahve deliberately been underplaying NaMo's economic achievements
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All the economic indicators show growth. The Manufacturing PMI and Services PMI are at 56-59 for months; the GST collections are soaring. Given all the uncertainty about what external trade conditions Inda will face, and shrinking economies in India's trade partners, this is great performance. Further discussion if at all in the India's Economy thread.
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Not about what is happening today or has happened in the recent past, but about what is being forecast. Both the Covid disruption and now tariffs play into it.

Counterpoint here is that an accurate count can help push back on demands from castes like the Marathas or Jats. Doubt that helps as the net outcome seen in the states where surveys have been conducted so far is a focus on increasing quota allowances rather than redistributing them.
The case for a caste census
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Caste datas thus far available through various surveys may be inaccurate. Many land owning castes have been removed from general category by the British. Also there should be a column for more than one caste or multi-caste as inter-caste marriages are now common.
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India to BEGIN nationwide rollout of chip-based e-passports from this month.
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India now starting chip based e passport.

Bangladesh was the first in Indian subcontinent. :eek:

Heck even taliban Afghanistan has it. :((


Overall majority of countries have it.
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#BREAKING Supreme Court rejects JSW Steel's Resolution Plan for Bhushan Power and Steel Ltd.

SC says Resolution Plan of JSW was illegal and should not have been accepted by CoC.

SC directs the liquidation of Bhushan Power and Steel Ltd.

#SupremeCourtOfIndia
They have done this 5 years after everything is done and resolved.
These people want to destroy business environment so that China can continue to dominate manufacturing ... If Modi meekly accepts this from these guys, we are destroyed.
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Ridiculous judgement and I fear that the govt would go along with it as they don't want to pick a fight w SC rn
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Supratik wrote: 01 May 2025 21:52 Caste datas thus far available through various surveys may be inaccurate. Many land owning castes have been removed from general category by the British. Also there should be a column for more than one caste or multi-caste as inter-caste marriages are now common.
Probably some long range plan. FWIW, Mandal commission was constituted by Morarji government.
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some aspects wrt caste.

caste census started by british thru their census data every 10 years.
last caste census was in 1931.
In 1941 it was done but never published because of world war 2.
Dont know if records exists.

In 1951 onwards nehru govt decided on general population census . Removed caste column. But they did only for Sc/ST.

in 2010 there was debate in parliament where sushma swaraj of BJP wanted caste census to be added to population census. But congress was cagey about it.
In 2011 congress did the sample collection caste surbey but never released the data.

later Karnataka and Bihar did caste surveys which were not fully released or were done incorrectly that many dont accept it.



With rising temperatures politically , Namo agreed for caste census on the line sof their party agreeing in 2010 debate in parliament.
The population census will have caste column with it. IOW every Indian in census will be having to fill the caste data.
so muslims christians Hindus etc all have to fill it. No compulsion.

1) This will also help milaards in supreme kotha to weigh on the reservations with more accurate data.
2) for the govt more targeted allocations of resources to needy Indians
3) Economically weaker sections will have some advantage
4) caps on reservations will have greater bearing with better data. Now it is assumed and caped at 50%
5) Fun part will be -- if forward castes like brahmins are low-- maybe then milaards will cap their reservations at 5-10% :rotfl: as they are disadvantaged
6) guilt tripping of Hindus will lessen as we mebrace it . No more hiding or trying to talk something when caste comes up. be brave- yes we are casteists. :lol:

ok with fun part

pitfalls

1) caste gets entrenched-- no big issues- at least will have data on caste :mrgreen:
2) missionaries and sufi scoundrels etc etc will have data to mine for conversions(They already do but no great shakes so far)
3) political slug fest with data mining
4) vote banks-- anyway it is always present. No big stuff going forward except data available.


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Overall prefer Namo govt to do it than scamgress pappu govt for obvious reasons.
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krisna wrote: 03 May 2025 07:43 x-----x snip

in 2010 there was debate in parliament where sushma swaraj of BJP wanted caste census to be added to population census. But congress was cagey about it.
In 2011 congress did the sample collection caste surbey but never released the data.
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Overall prefer Namo govt to do it than scamgress pappu govt for obvious reasons.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 887995.cms
If the Left drifted castewards, BJP too gave its nod. Sushma ..
While government has expressed its inability to revert to ca ..
The refusal to include a question on caste in the census mak ..
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https://swarajyamag.com/politics/bihar- ... ey-tell-us


1) Bihar

The caste survey conducted by Bihar is arguably the most talked-about one for two reasons. Firstly, it was conducted at a time when the entire nation was gearing up for the Pran Pratishtha of the Ram Mandir. A caste survey at such a crucial juncture had the potential to dampen Hindu unity.
The survey was ordered when the Mahagathbandhan — comprising Janata Dal (United) [JD(U)], Rashtriya Janata Dal (RJD) and Congress — was in power, with Kumar as Chief Minister and Tejashwi Yadav as Deputy Chief Minister. For Congress and RJD, the caste survey was an opportunity to amplify their rhetoric on social justice, while for JD(U), it could serve as a tool to mitigate the growing anti-incumbency sentiment against Nitish Kumar.
The survey results were surprising for many. Contrary to the expected share of 20 per cent, the 'upper castes'' share stood at 15.52 per cent. Backward and Extremely Backward Classes cumulatively comprised 63.13 per cent of the population, while Scheduled Castes made up 19.65 per cent of the state's demography.
Interestingly, the survey results also subtly endorsed the idea of giving representation to Muslims based on their caste by categorising various Muslim communities under different caste umbrellas.
However, the government came up with only two major announcements.

The first was increasing the reservation limits. The state passed the 'Bihar Reservation of Vacancies in Posts and Services (for Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and Other Backward Classes) Amendment Act, 2023' and the 'Bihar (in Admission in Educational Institutions) Reservation Amendment Act, 2023', to increase the reservation to 65 per cent — 15 per cent more than the limit prescribed by the Supreme Court.

These acts were challenged in the Patna High Court, which ruled the changes unconstitutional — a stance with which the Supreme Court also prima facie agreed with.
The second was providing Rs 2 lakh to each of the 94 lakh families living below the poverty line in the state. The sum was to be distributed over five years, implying an average of Rs 37,600 crore would be spent annually. Spending such an amount in a state whose annual capital outlay is less than Rs 50,000 crore was always going to be a challenge.

There has been no public update regarding the implementation of this scheme, and even the opposition — now comprising the RJD, Congress, Left parties and others — has not shown much interest in pursuing it.
2) Karnataka
Karnataka

The Karnataka caste survey has been the most awaited one after the 2011 census by the Indian government. Termed as Socio-Economic and Education Survey, it was sanctioned in 2015 during Siddaramaiah’s first term as Chief Minister. However, it took 10 years to submit the report and a few more months to release it.
However, the report revealed that they are less than 26 per cent of the state population, with Vokkaligas at 12.2 per cent, and Veerashaiva-Lingayats at 13.6 per cent. The OBCs constitute 69.6 per cent of the state’s population, while SCs and STs have been pegged at 18.27 and 7.15 per cent respectively.
On the policy front, the survey has not resulted in any significant change since it is yet to find full acceptance within the ruling dispensation itself.
3) Telangana
Unlike its counterparts in Bihar or Karnataka, Telangana’s caste survey has largely remained under the radar, primarily due to quick turnaround time (survey was completed in 50 days).
A 57-question form answered by 3.54 crore people – 96.9 per cent of the state’s population – revealed that 56.33 per cent of the population come under Backward Classes (BCs), while SCs and STs account for 17.43 per cent and 10.45 per cent of the state’s population. The total Muslim population is 12.56 per cent.
In March 2025, the Reddy government formed a panel comprising former Supreme Court judge Justice Sudarshan Reddy; former professor Kancha Ilaiah would as vice chairman; Praveen Chakravarty, economist; and activist Jean Drèze. A few days later, French economist Thomas Piketty was also included in it.
On 14 April, 2025, Telangana became the first state to implement the Supreme Court’s sanctioned mandate of sub-categorisation within the reservation.
Caste census will act as mirror of society. If the reflection is unflattering, the answer lies in better policies—not in breaking the mirror. Hiding the truth won’t fix the image.
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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/rss-cau ... ol-8300332

About RSS stance
The Union government's decision to conduct caste census survey came a day after Prime Minister Narendra Modi met RSS Chief Mohan Bhagwat at the former's official residence.
Many thought he had gone to PM residence related to terr0istan issue :) Unusual that RSS does not go to PM residence at least to my knowledge.
In response to a question on the demand for caste census, Ambekar said then, "The RSS feels that, for all welfare activities, particularly those for communities or castes which are lagging and who need special attention... if the government needs the numbers, it is a well-established practice. Earlier, such data, was collected...But it should be done only for the welfare of those communities and castes. It should not be used as a political tool for elections."

The RSS clarified that it had no objection to the collection of caste data, provided it is used for 'public welfare and not for divisive political-electoral agendas'. This statement is now being viewed as a crucial green light that enabled the Narendra Modi government to move forward without facing ideological backlash from its core support base.
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krisna wrote: 03 May 2025 07:43 some aspects wrt caste.

With rising temperatures politically , Namo agreed for caste census on the line sof their party agreeing in 2010 debate in parliament.
The population census will have caste column with it. IOW every Indian in census will be having to fill the caste data.
so muslims christians Hindus etc all have to fill it. No compulsion.

1) This will also help milaards in supreme kotha to weigh on the reservations with more accurate data.
2) for the govt more targeted allocations of resources to needy Indians
3) Economically weaker sections will have some advantage
4) caps on reservations will have greater bearing with better data. Now it is assumed and caped at 50%
5) Fun part will be -- if forward castes like brahmins are low-- maybe then milaards will cap their reservations at 5-10% :rotfl: as they are disadvantaged
6) guilt tripping of Hindus will lessen as we mebrace it . No more hiding or trying to talk something when caste comes up. be brave- yes we are casteists. :lol:

ok with fun part

pitfalls

1) caste gets entrenched-- no big issues- at least will have data on caste :mrgreen:
2) missionaries and sufi scoundrels etc etc will have data to mine for conversions(They already do but no great shakes so far)
3) political slug fest with data mining
4) vote banks-- anyway it is always present. No big stuff going forward except data available.
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Overall prefer Namo govt to do it than scamgress pappu govt for obvious reasons.
Thanks for listing the different potential impacts. My perspective:

1) I don't understand why "caste" (jati) is such a sensitive/taboo issue for some people. Jati is part and parcel of Bharatiya life. As I said, the multiplicity of jati-s of Bharat is the very fabric of our civilization, each thread (jati) of our fabric is distinctly visible yet interwoven with others.

2) Jati is explicitly enshrined and protected in the constitution and laws of Bharat, because of its unique nature. No jati shall be discriminated against. No other country to my knowledge has (or needs) such a specific constitutional provision.

3) I can enumerate four systems (in chronological order of definition) that if properly maintained, will continue to form the bedrock of Bharat civilization:

- Varnashrama dharma
- Jati dharma
- Sanatana dharma
- Bharat samvidhan

4) As for jati inclusion in census: Modi and company have done a calculation. I am sure they will use the jati component of the census in a way that will end up benefiting all jati-s and further strengthen the fabric that is Bharat. The losers will be the INDI/abrahamics/BIFs whose main plank will be pulled from under their feet and then used to thrash them.
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