ravi_ku wrote:Oh you should be seeing OA's taunts on twitter
Loves how the people making the MOST noise here about hoisting the Tricolour in Lal Chowk do so from the comfort & security of their homes.
We also see people who eat Indian salt and go home to do love making with Pakistanis.ravi_ku wrote:Oh you should be seeing OA's taunts on twitterLoves how the people making the MOST noise here about hoisting the Tricolour in Lal Chowk do so from the comfort & security of their homes.
Even if there is no public backlash against MMS, JK's importance is made aware to even 5% more than what it is today then it is a victory. I am optimistic about that achievement. But my fear is there could be loss of life if the way they treat these activists like the way Mulayam treated karsevaks at Ayodhya. I pray not. However, I am still not convinced that someone will actually fly the flag at Lal Chowk. I am not even sure of Jammu rally.CRamS wrote:Now that the battles lines are drawn, what do the gurus here constitutes victory or defeat from all sides. From the nationalist viewpoint, if in the final analysis it appears that BJP's move has been defeated with no public backlash, its obvious MMS wins, and he will continue down the sell out path. If on the other hand, whether or not BJP actually hoists the tri-color at Lal Chowk, but forces MMS on the backfoot, and a national awareness is created on the importance of Kashmir to India, and MMS's sell out plans, that in and of itself would be a victory for India.
Is "nationalist" a code word for the BJP boneheadness , if so, thanks I want no part of it. The subverting of "nationalist" as equating to BJP is the equivalent of the subversion of the word "secular" by the Church, the Muslim Clergy and others who want special privileges (the irony is that while the Pope rails against secularism in Europe and US, the catholic church in India sings paeans to it in India and wants more of it).From the nationalist viewpoint, if in the final analysis it appears that BJP's move has been defeated with no public backlash, its obvious MMS wins
) are total dead enders.see how much of a **** this government ismunna wrote:It will decided in Lok Sabha, the MMS camp's plea is that nothing is in the offing and all this a storm in the tea cup by some yahoos. So how will they now justify a surprising new plan?
After Arunachal weightlifter Yukar Sibi and his coach Techi Abraham were disbarred from going to China because their visas to the neighbouring country were stapled onto their passports, NGOs and students in the state have been firing a salvo of criticism against the Government of India.
"China is regularly putting in claims that AP falls in their territory, but our own government always prefers to remain silent.
Are we or are we not citizens of this country? Why does the Government of India not speak up on the issue? These questions need to be answered before AP becomes another J&K.
We are still seeing China issuing stapled visas to our people, which means that the issue is unresolved," said Tatung.
He said that the issue had been raised before AP Chief Minister Dorjee Khandu and the governor many times. But, they have been evasive on the matter.
"We have approached the Prime Minister's Office and have been allotted time to meet PM Manmohan Singh on January 25, after which we will decide what needs to be done."
The leader of the parent body of all student unions in the state cautioned that if the Indian government does not take strong measures to stake its claim on AP, it would affect the minds of the youth in the state, who are already battling an identity crisis, wondering where they belong.
"Therefore, I appeal to the youth and people of this country to support us and ask the Government of India to explain its stand on AP," added Tatung.
AP Home Minister Tako Dabi spoke to MiD DAY and uttered words of pacification.
"India should address the concerns of AP in a very clear manner with China and not send out signals to the people that their issues are not represented properly before a country, which is falsely claiming its position on the state."
Dabi further said that the issue has been resolved and AAPSU will not boycott the January 26 celebrations.
The Visa Row
The Chinese embassy stamps visas to residents of AP and J&K on a separate sheet of paper and staples it to the passport, instead of pasting it directly on the passports.
The practice is seen by the government as China's attempt to question the status of the two states as intrinsic parts of India. As such, it does not recognise the stapled visas.
Protesting the practice, New Delhi maintains that such visas are not valid for travel out of the country.
The foreign ministry also issued a travel advisory asking Indian citizens to ascertain from the Chinese embassy and consulates whether the visa would be stapled or pasted before making any travel arrangements.
when did unfurling Indian flag become a divisive agenda.Fact is, this is political grandstanding by the BJP, trying to use their one trick pony routine , "the yatra" to mobilize some nut cases on a very divisive agenda and try to clothe itself in a halo of self righteousness. Sorry, it is an old broken trick, way past it's sell by date, no one is going to give a rat's Musharraf. It is a party up the sh*t creek without a paddle.
They cannot control a motley crowd of nut jobs up the %#* creek and they are promising the moon in back stabbing channel talks. .when did unfurling Indian flag become a divisive agenda
Hmm. Why is that only the BJP and allied dudes are getting worked up over this now, while the rest of the country yawns, unless it was a partisan agenda ?IMO your rantings are against BJP as a political party not as an Indian which smacks of your inability to look thru certain issues without bringing your party affiliations.
I don't know what is right wing? Funny even hoisting a flag is right wing. It was like a joke sometime back when some one said AajTak is right wing just because it was not like NDTV and IBN. When the mountains move in the stomach, a large scale diarrhea type loose motions occur and at that time you will see a lot of rap dance and snake oil sales management.Venkarl wrote:Few people here oppose Right Wing just for the sake opposing them....
Cut the crap. BJP is forcing a debate on MMS's sell out plans. And don't hide behind this "nothing is given away so far" crap. Fact is that he has agreed with his terrorist pal Mush on joint love making in Srinagar. This move by BJP is exposing that sell out and MMS will be forced to explain, that is, if he doesn't resort to gimmickery like the train hijacking.vina wrote:Fact is, this is political grandstanding by the BJP, trying to use their one trick pony routine , "the yatra" to mobilize some nut cases on a very divisive agenda and try to clothe itself in a halo of self righteousness. Sorry, it is an old broken trick, way past it's sell by date, no one is going to give a rat's Musharraf. It is a party up the sh*t creek without a paddle.
Why should something like a Republic Day become some nutcase party's wedge agenda , and that too in the name of "nationalism". I think once ABV retired, the BJP simply lost whatever remaining ounce of commonsense, decency and basic human values it had.
Let us cut the JK stuff and BJP stuff. What is the government's response to Arunachal folks questions? Bloody freeking hell and the fck-souls in Government is either selling out to any thing external or appeasing anything internal.CRamS wrote:Plus answer this too. When that b%^&tch Suzanna and that mad puke Geelani were making seditious demands right under his nose, where was MMS? They were not provacative?
Muppalla wrote: JK muslims are well fed dogs but do not have the minimal dog qualities. vishwas and loyalty.
For them this is a discussion as well as a study material.
They want to link and associate - ideology, thought process with you.
Questions will be like -
This guy said like this does so do you support him
This person prefers this way and you prefer the same way so you support him
This person does not support this or said anything else like this and hence your ideology is against this person
I have been studying their posts now and they have a very good tag teams here. They consider BRF posters are stupid and do not know what they are doing.
This one guy names a political party in every post of his and he is looking for reaction against his post.
That guy always get what he wants. Sometimes he thinks he got what he expected (reaction). He probably does not know there are smart salesmen on the reactionaries too. There are MBAs everywhere and that degree is fancy for the one who sits even in a cave these days.Acharya wrote:I am repeating this again.
Check the discussion and it will go this way
For them this is a discussion as well as a study material.
They want to link and associate - ideology, thought process with you.
Questions will be like -
This guy said like this does so do you support him
This person prefers this way and you prefer the same way so you support him
This person does not support this or said anything else like this and hence your ideology is against this person
I have been studying their posts now and they have a very good tag teams here. They consider BRF posters are stupid and do not know what they are doing.
This one guy names a political party in every post of his and he is looking for reaction against his post.
WoW! It has become the responsibility of Advani to remind the Chief Minister of a state how important is the National flag hoisting on Republic Day! Advani also doesn't know that he has to take along OA (if required with a gentle push...very gentle, to ensure his body and feelings doesn't get hurt) for the flag hoisting ceremony. These guys don't even know these simple facts of life? No wonder BJP is called a party of the nutties! Phew!!Who prevented Advani to flying in to Srinagar and unfurling the flag along with Omar Abdullah or anyone , if at all they wanted to make a point.
Exactly. Finally some sensible stuff here. It is just ridiculous how over the top much of the sprouting of rhetoric here is.Pranav wrote:Muppalla wrote: JK muslims are well fed dogs but do not have the minimal dog qualities. vishwas and loyalty.
Tch, tch, ... pliss to avoid generalizations, shooting self in foot etc.
.http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1016322The Clock Tower gained political significance in 1992 when the then BJP president Murli Manohar Joshi came to hoist the Tricolour atop the tower on Republic Day. Joshi’s move brought several militant groups together, uniting them against India.(it brought the bandicoots together) With Kashmiris locked inside their homes, Joshi hoisted the flag in the company of soldiers. He had to be whisked away in haste when a rocket fired by militants landed some metres away from the tower.
Since then, the BSF and the CRPF undertook the hoisting ceremony until last year when they announced it was unnecessary to continue the ritual because the tower “had no political significance” (read below for the real reasons)and an official function was held at the nearby Bakshi Stadium on Republic Day and Independence Day anyway.
1)However, the order to stop the flag hoisting at Lal Chowk reportedly came from Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, who was struggling against the summer protests and saw it as an unnecessary provocation to the separatists and people.
Now, with the BJYM planning to march into the heart of Srinagar, JKLF chief Yasin Malik has dared them to hoist the flag. Hurriyat (M) chairman Mirwaiz Umar too has supported Malik. For the duo, sidelined during last year’s protests, this issue could be their ticket back to relevance.
2) Omar, whose fortunes had nosedived after the 2009 Shopian rape case and the deaths of 117 civilians in last year’s protests, has opposed the BJYM plan. He is also counting on this issue to rehabilitate his tattered image.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 3#p1016343Flag hoisting at Lal Chowk began at the height of militancy in the state in 1991 when BJP leader Murli Manohar Joshi took out the ' Ekta Yatra' from Kanyakumari to Srinagar, ostensibly to symbolise India's assertion in an area where Pakistani flags were seen as a grim reminder of separatists' defiance.
please go thru these posts . please keep your partisan approach aside and think as a Indian.searched google
got this results
1) videos for pakistan flag at lala chowk
pakistan flag was unfurled at lal chowk last year and you tube videos are present. I cant find Indian flag at lal chowk at all. you can see the crowds there.
why is there mollycoddling of terrorists.
2) videos-Indian flag at lal chowk
why cant Indians go and unfurl the tiranga at lal chowk.
3) videos pakistan flag at lal chowk- 1998-2005
This period covers the NDA rule. No pakistan flag videos.
I repeat this which is quoted often--
the eyes do not see what the mind does not want to know.
RamaY wrote:Guys we know Vinajis loyalties to INC. He spelled that out clearly in one of the threads (don't remember which one, will have to dig that one).
He is trying to protect unprotectable.
He talks as if MMS is responsible for 9% growth. Today even a chutiya can achieve 9% growth in india. MMS under PVNR guidance removed some of the red tape created by INC till 1990s. Perhaps he knows more about those lost decades.
Coming to this thread, we must view Vinaji's heartburn as jealousy for what BJP is doing, which INC couldn't do for 60yrs, especially after it created this monster to start with.
As a INC loyalist he should educate us on the chutiya business JLN, IG, RG, and current UPA administration under SG are doing.
Hats offkrisna wrote: Anyone can have party loyalty that is secondary with respect to being as an Indian. they can have differing views
BUT there are certain non negotiable items irrespective of party affliations for which all Indians should be united. If any party goes out of this line it has to be condemned. This requires certain principles and pride in being an Indian.
The separatist dogs are papmepred bunch. India has condicted very decent elections in the recent past. They have pampered the KMs including their leadership. Yet their demands for "azaadi" have not abated, aided of course by TSP and USA. At some point India has to draw the line and take a hardline stance. Cannot be cowed by these monkeys.vina wrote: An occasion like the Republic Day should be inclusive. Let the guys who do their demon fighting be the separatists! Now the BJP is doing that for the separatists and creating a massive wedge issue for them , which they can milk limitlessly and so can the BJP.
For a pretend "nationalist" party, the BJP is in bed with the Hurryiyats and esp the Gilani faction on this issue , by milking it from both ends. Shame.
Yes..he was quite explicit in detailing his 'lungi-danceRamaY wrote:Guys we know Vinajis loyalties to INC. He spelled that out clearly in one of the threads (don't remember which one, will have to dig that one).
' when the INC won the Lok Sabha...Sachin wrote:BTW, looks like MMS and co have come up with another trick. The CRPF would hoist the national flag at Lal Chowk, Sri Nagar
Link from Facenfacts.com
Link from New Kerala
With this, perhaps the opponents of Yathra can claim, that the Yathra was not needed because;
1. The national flag was hoisted at the controversial place (Lal Chowk) and so there is nothing for the common man to be upset. Indian flag was raised at Indian territory.
2. CRPF is an Indian para military organisation, and so it can also be said that the flag was hoisted not begging or taking permission from any other group (be it terrorists, Pakis etc. etc.).
If it is done as a show of strength against sepratist scum, I think its a good compromise. But if there is some equal equal with the vegetarian terrorist and Co, this would indeed by a gimmick.Sachin wrote:BTW, looks like MMS and co have come up with another trick. The CRPF would hoist the national flag at Lal Chowk, Sri Nagar
Arjun wrote:Yes..he was quite explicit in detailing his 'lungi-danceRamaY wrote:Guys we know Vinajis loyalties to INC. He spelled that out clearly in one of the threads (don't remember which one, will have to dig that one).
Aboslutely wrong..the so-called Neelum plan was an article wriiten by someone called Arindam Bannerjee..It was never part of any official (or back channel) efforts of any govt, INC, BJP, UF, or anyone...On the other hand, there are tons of accounts (including Niaz Naik's first person accounts) that chronicle that the Chenab plan was serioulsy discussed in the Naik-Mishra talks...Muppalla wrote:For the record, ABV responded with Neelum plan when Chenab plan was proposed. ABV said he will put one reactor in non-mil sector as opposed to intially agreed 22 by MMS (Anil Kakodkar has to dissent to bring them down to 11). MMS freely used ABV's name as though he is continuing ABV's legacy while he does the role of a snakeoil salesman.
Incidentally, the NDA government’s offer in 2002, which proposed 70 per cent of installed capacity, included all future indigenous reactors under construction. The UPA government has dropped this by five per cent and has remained silent on future reactors.